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Oct 12, 12:34 PM
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The examples that come from mind are from one of my favorite anime and manga.
There's no way to explain without spoilers, but it's about stories that start right in the middle, the examples being Gleipnir and Mahou Shoujo of the End.



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Oct 12, 12:50 PM
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not sure but i also like that concept.
Oct 12, 12:54 PM
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The true definition would be "in medias res", it is a Latin phrase meaning "in the middle of things".
It practically defines those stories that begin when situations have already begun and only later explain their beginning...

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Oct 12, 1:04 PM
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The true definition would be "in medias res", it is a Latin phrase meaning "in the middle of things".
It practically defines those stories that begin when situations have already begun and only later explain their beginning...

Hope this helps!
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Yeah, like another commenter said this is the shape "in medias res" which is when a story begins from the middle and later explains the beginning and continues to the end. A very popular story/myth that utilises it is Homer's Oddyssey. In the case of the Oddyssey, Homer puts Oddyseus to narrate the beginning of the myth through flashbacks
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thewiru said:
What's the name for this?


This is simply just a nonlinear story. Events aren’t told in order. While it has the intensity of pulp fiction, it’s structured much more carefully.

@Duado had the right name for it.


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One of the best-known examples must be «STAR WARS (Skywalker Saga)», which begins with Episodes 4, 5, and 6, then 1, 2, and 3, and then 7, 8, and 9.
This series was previously disclosed to be released starting from the middle part of three trilogies (though it took decades to complete).

If it was schemed as a trick of storytelling to conceal the plot structure from viewers, such a method may fall into a kind of ‘unreliable narrator’ technique.
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The classical "in medias res" is included in Genette's narratological theory under the more general concept of non-linear narrative, along with anachrony, fragmentarism, multi-narratives etc.
Examples like the one that involves time-travel and explore causality paradoxes escape up to a point from the frameworks devised by traditional narratology, since these are a relatively recent development (latish 20th century). A great recent book about this is David Wittenberg Time Travel: The Popular Philosophy of Narrative. A basic idea there is that, while an anachronic narrative of a linear sequence of events ultimately only plays around with the mode of telling the story, one whose timeline of reference itself is non-linear has its own peculiarities considered as a narratological structure, and needs a new approach. Wittenberg attempts this, using examples from literature and cinema. It's an excellent book, and not too hard to read.

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@thewiru Yeah, if you don't really explain the story structure they won't be able to answer your question.
Therefore, no, Gleipnir is not in medias res.

But I'm willing to go through the other answers for you to point out why they are wrong.

Duado said:
The true definition would be "in medias res", it is a Latin phrase meaning "in the middle of things".
It practically defines those stories that begin when situations have already begun and only later explain their beginning...

iluvmozu said:
Yeah, like another commenter said this is the shape "in medias res" which is when a story begins from the middle and later explains the beginning and continues to the end

Tirinchas said:
The classical "in medias res" is

This does not apply to Gleipnir. We actually learn the truth in a chronological order. We start the story when the main character gets his power and a side effect is his lost memory, but we learn about his lost memory when he also learns about them in the show. This is a type of mystery aspect in the show.

Just to give you another example. thewiru thinks Lord of the Rings is also in medias res, because the Hobbit exists. He thinks Frieren is in medias res because there were important events before the "present".
This is not what in medias res is.

ColourWheel said:
This is simply just a nonlinear story. Events aren’t told in order. While it has the intensity of pulp fiction, it’s structured much more carefully.

That's also incorrect, we learn about the events in a linear manner.

E.g. in a murder mystery the murder happens chronologically first, but often times we learn about it last - I mean how and why it happened -, because we are following the detective's perspective. That's still a linear storytelling.
The linearity depends on the POV, which character is our main character. In Gleipnir we start the story when the main character gets his power, because that's what the story is about, that's the start of his story.

aReviewer said:
One of the best-known examples must be «STAR WARS (Skywalker Saga)», which begins with Episodes 4, 5, and 6, then 1, 2, and 3, and then 7, 8, and 9.

Also incorrect.
Star Wars 4 is in medias res because we start with a space battle and not because there are 3 other movies. By that logic every show, movie becomes an in medias res show, movie when they produce a sequel to it. While in reality in medias res is self-contained.
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@thewiru Yeah, if you don't really explain the story structure they won't be able to answer your question.
Therefore, no, Gleipnir is not in medias res.

But I'm willing to go through the other answers for you to point out why they are wrong.

Duado said:
The true definition would be "in medias res", it is a Latin phrase meaning "in the middle of things".
It practically defines those stories that begin when situations have already begun and only later explain their beginning...

iluvmozu said:
Yeah, like another commenter said this is the shape "in medias res" which is when a story begins from the middle and later explains the beginning and continues to the end

Tirinchas said:
The classical "in medias res" is

This does not apply to Gleipnir. We actually learn the truth in a chronological order. We start the story when the main character gets his power and a side effect is his lost memory, but we learn about his lost memory when he also learns about them in the show. This is a type of mystery aspect in the show.

Just to give you another example. thewiru thinks Lord of the Rings is also in medias res, because the Hobbit exists. He thinks Frieren is in medias res because there were important events before the "present".
This is not what in medias res is.

ColourWheel said:
This is simply just a nonlinear story. Events aren’t told in order. While it has the intensity of pulp fiction, it’s structured much more carefully.

That's also incorrect, we learn about the events in a linear manner.

E.g. in a murder mystery the murder happens chronologically first, but often times we learn about it last - I mean how and why it happened -, because we are following the detective's perspective. That's still a linear storytelling.
The linearity depends on the POV, which character is our main character. In Gleipnir we start the story when the main character gets his power, because that's what the story is about, that's the start of his story.

aReviewer said:
One of the best-known examples must be «STAR WARS (Skywalker Saga)», which begins with Episodes 4, 5, and 6, then 1, 2, and 3, and then 7, 8, and 9.

Also incorrect.
Star Wars 4 is in medias res because we start with a space battle and not because there are 3 other movies. By that logic every show, movie becomes an in medias res show, movie when they produce a sequel to it. While in reality in medias res is self-contained.
ktg said:
We start the story when the main character gets his power and a side effect is his lost memory, but we learn about his lost memory when he also learns about them in the show.

Wrong, the main character gets his power long before losing his memory, and losing his memory wasn't a side-effect of it.
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ktg said:
We start the story when the main character gets his power and a side effect is his lost memory, but we learn about his lost memory when he also learns about them in the show.

Wrong, the main character gets his power long before losing his memory, and losing his memory wasn't a side-effect of it.
@thewiru I explained it from a story structure POV. Yes, technically it happened way before, but it's not important to actually tell what is the structure of the story and it was faster and way easier to explain it to those who haven't seen it.

So managed to correct me on something that I purposely changed. Good job.
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@thewiru I explained it from a story structure POV. Yes, technically it happened way before, but it's not important to actually tell what is the structure of the story and it was faster and way easier to explain it to those who haven't seen it.

So managed to correct me on something that I purposely changed. Good job.
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Because the way you changed it wasn't even in a Lie-to-children way, it was just flat-out wrong.
Even if this wasn't the case, you would still have been wrong, because the story literally starts not with the character discovering his powers, but talking about how he discovered his powers in the past.
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In medias res.
Well in Greek epics they sort of just assumed you know what happened before, and it's not really a plot twist, but here you go.
Oct 12, 6:16 PM

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In medias res.
Well in Greek epics they sort of just assumed you know what happened before, and it's not really a plot twist, but here you go.
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This is what makes Oedipus the King boring for today's audiences. Every plot point worth discussing already happened before the start of the play.
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ktg said:
By that logic every show, movie becomes an in medias res show, movie when they produce a sequel to it. While in reality in medias res is self-contained.

I think this is kind of the point of in medias res, actually. It's not so much a classification of a type of non-linear storytelling as it is a part of effective writing.

I'm guessing this conversation is spawning from an earlier discussion around thewiru's review of Girls Band Cry, and him referring to the story of it being "An in media res where first we see our characters acting, and only at the end we learn why they acted."

I think he's correct (probably, I haven't seen the show) in saying that the story is in medias res. However, I would also say it's a ridiculous thing to point out, as most, perhaps almost all, well written stories are written in medias res. I don't believe the term 'in medias res' is meant to be used as a classification of storytelling (like 'cyclical' or 'non-linear'), and instead it's simply a technique used to make a story engaging by skipping out on all the historical exposition that led to the point the story becomes interesting.

Pulling this quote from the wiki article on in medias res:
The Roman lyric poet and satirist Horace (65–8 BC) first used the terms ab ovo ("from the egg") and in mediās rēs ("into the middle of things") in his Ars Poetica ("Poetic Arts", c. 13 BC), wherein lines 147–149 describe the ideal epic poet: "Nor does he begin the Trojan War from the egg, but always he hurries to the action, and snatches the listener into the middle of things ..."

Basically, you're a bad writer if you aren't writing in medias res and waste time laying out the historical timeline of all relevant events to the core plot just because they came first. Omitting commonly known historical information or saving unknown historical information for a time when it has maximum impact on the audience's experience isn't novel or notable - it's just normal, effective writing. It'd really only be notable if a story was written with perfect, complete chronology (ie. not in medias res) and still managed to be interesting.
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ktg said:
By that logic every show, movie becomes an in medias res show, movie when they produce a sequel to it. While in reality in medias res is self-contained.

I think this is kind of the point of in medias res, actually. It's not so much a classification of a type of non-linear storytelling as it is a part of effective writing.

I'm guessing this conversation is spawning from an earlier discussion around thewiru's review of Girls Band Cry, and him referring to the story of it being "An in media res where first we see our characters acting, and only at the end we learn why they acted."

I think he's correct (probably, I haven't seen the show) in saying that the story is in medias res. However, I would also say it's a ridiculous thing to point out, as most, perhaps almost all, well written stories are written in medias res. I don't believe the term 'in medias res' is meant to be used as a classification of storytelling (like 'cyclical' or 'non-linear'), and instead it's simply a technique used to make a story engaging by skipping out on all the historical exposition that led to the point the story becomes interesting.

Pulling this quote from the wiki article on in medias res:
The Roman lyric poet and satirist Horace (65–8 BC) first used the terms ab ovo ("from the egg") and in mediās rēs ("into the middle of things") in his Ars Poetica ("Poetic Arts", c. 13 BC), wherein lines 147–149 describe the ideal epic poet: "Nor does he begin the Trojan War from the egg, but always he hurries to the action, and snatches the listener into the middle of things ..."

Basically, you're a bad writer if you aren't writing in medias res and waste time laying out the historical timeline of all relevant events to the core plot just because they came first. Omitting commonly known historical information or saving unknown historical information for a time when it has maximum impact on the audience's experience isn't novel or notable - it's just normal, effective writing. It'd really only be notable if a story was written with perfect, complete chronology (ie. not in medias res) and still managed to be interesting.
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valico said:
I'm guessing this conversation is spawning from an earlier discussion around thewiru's review of Girls Band Cry, and him referring to the story of it being "An in media res where first we see our characters acting, and only at the end we learn why they acted."

I think he's correct (probably, I haven't seen the show) in saying that the story is in medias res. However, I would also say it's a ridiculous thing to point out, as most, perhaps almost all, well written stories are written in medias res. I don't believe the term 'in medias res' is meant to be used as a classification of storytelling (like 'cyclical' or 'non-linear'), and instead it's simply a technique used to make a story engaging by skipping out on all the historical exposition that led to the point the story becomes interesting.

I felt that GBC went a degree beyond: You could watch the anime in inverse episode order and it would still work. And the further you went, further in the past were the flashbacks and explanations.

I do disagree in it being "90% of anime", though.
Most seasonals I'm watching aren't it at all:
Yano-kun no Futsuu no Hibi, Watashi wo Tabetai Hitodenashi, Towa no Yuugure (If you count episode 0, otherwise it is), Toujima Tanzaburou wa Kamen Rider ni Naritai, Tougen Anki, Tensei Akujo no Kuro Rekishi, Shabake and Sanda.
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thewiru said:
Because the way you changed it wasn't even in a Lie-to-children way, it was just flat-out wrong.
Even if this wasn't the case, you would still have been wrong, because the story literally starts not with the character discovering his powers, but talking about how he discovered his powers in the past.

That's incorrect. The series starts with a POV scene when someone uses a vending machine at night. Then we have the OP and then we have Shuuichi.
With this directing, it pretty clearly tries to tell us that first scene was when Shuuichi's power was granted.

valico said:
I think this is kind of the point of in medias res, actually. It's not so much a classification of a type of non-linear storytelling as it is a part of effective writing.

No, not really. By this definition everything would fall into this category, because every fictional universe existed before, every character had a past before the start of the series. This interpretation would invalidate the existence of the concept in medias res.

valico said:
I think he's correct (probably, I haven't seen the show) in saying that the story is in medias res. However, I would also say it's a ridiculous thing to point out, as most, perhaps almost all, well written stories are written in medias res

And this is why that's not the definition of in medias res, because it would be true to every show.

The concept of in medias res is about jump into the middle of the same story, not a preceding one. Like in case of Star Wars the original trilogy is about Luke while the prequel is about Anakin. These are different stories with different focuses. (Btw, even Lucas admitted that the message is also different.)

thewiru said:
I felt that GBC went a degree beyond: You could watch the anime in inverse episode order and it would still work. And the further you went, further in the past were the flashbacks and explanations.

Which is true in most cases, because that's how plot twists work. Newer twists should be bigger, should reveal more because you try to top your previous twist.

thewiru said:
I do disagree in it being "90% of anime", though.
Most seasonals I'm watching aren't it at all:

That's not true, if we are using your definition then This Monster Wants to Eat Me clearly falls into this category because the events that happened to the MC's family is not revealed yet.

Also, if we are using your definition we cannot really say that these shows are not in medias res, because we haven't seen every episodes. It is possible that they will reveal something in episode 10 that would make it in medias res, again, according to your definition.
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I had a short discussion with chatGPT where I specifically asked it about these concepts and examples without mentioning any titles.
Please read it, it's not that long and educative: https://chatgpt.com/share/68ecb480-17c8-8000-ab26-c1173b7392a7

As for a summary, because you mentioned that you later realized that there were events before the start of the series in case of Gleipnir, it's not in medias res. As chatGPT said, if you are not consciously aware that you’ve been dropped into the middle of prior events, but later realize it when they reveal certain events, then it's not in medias res.
I hope this finally clarifies what is and what isn't in medias res.

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