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Oct 10, 3:07 PM
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Long story short: Last years I wanted to become a cinephile, decided to start with anime, watched quite a few artsy/old/experimental anime, had very mixed experiences then went back to watching weebshit (Though every once in a while I do give a chance to stuff like that... to mixed results).

What's your experience with older/experimental/artsy anime?
Oct 10, 3:17 PM
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cinephiles are insufferable, why would you want to be that? that's like wanting to be an weeb otaku
Oct 10, 3:19 PM
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cinephile is just another form of being elitists.

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Oct 10, 3:32 PM
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I have seen a few and liked them overall, especially Fantascope Tylostoma for some reason.
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Oct 10, 3:36 PM
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cinephiles are insufferable, why would you want to be that? that's like wanting to be an weeb otaku
@valico
Because I look up to people who seem to know their shit and flaunt their superiority on the plebs.
I keep thinking "I wanna be just like them".

Also, your comment reminds me of one I got earlier this year when I wrote a thread on /tv/

Oct 10, 3:37 PM
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I had a period where I watched a lot of "New Hollywood" era films from the 70s. And then I became a weeb. I'd still want to watch more of those though but, ya know, anime.
Oct 10, 3:43 PM
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"Are you a failed cinephile?"

Maybe.

Kind of lost interest when everybody started to praise nonsense like Gladiator (2000). When 300 (2006) came out and was the biggest thing at the time I decided "I am watching only cartoons now and maybe special effects heavy titles!"...and MCU started in 2008, had a lot a stinkers and somehow managed to make me hate special effects after Endgame.

Also don't let me started on how I hated Harry Potter being more popular than Lord Of The Rings and how deeply disappointing was The Hobbit (I mean, it had interesting moment, but as whole total trash).


"I wanted to become a cinephile"

Maybe you had somehow too idealised idea what cinephile means.


"had very mixed experiences"

Searching to refine your knowledge and understanding is suffering.
You are not supposed to like every experiment, just to get the idea what and where those artists were searching...also were they self indulging pseudo art pretenders.


"What's your experience with older/experimental/artsy anime?"

Here some random experimental stuff (you are familiar with part of it) - https://myanimelist.net/stacks/4645
Oct 10, 3:49 PM
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Not really, i still watch a lot of cult/arthouse/exploitation/camp movies to this day.
Oct 10, 3:54 PM
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I guess? I've watched a bunch of pre-Astro Boy and even pre-WW2 short anime to "understand the medium" but didn't care about them. On the other hand I have never pretended to care about Angel's Egg which I consider Oshii Mamoru's autofellatio.
To summarize:
Me in my teens: "haha boobs and panties"
Me in my 20s: "fanservice is cringe, bro"
Me in my 30s: "haha boobs and panties"
Oct 10, 3:56 PM

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I used to watch way more movies before I got into anime, but I never got to the point of watching the black and white classics from more than 60 years ago.

thewiru said:
What's your experience with older/experimental/artsy anime?

Usually disappointing, being artsy doesn't mean much if there's no enjoyment. Kanashimi no Belladonna is my favorite anime movie, though.
Oct 10, 4:00 PM

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"Are you a failed cinephile?"

Maybe.

Kind of lost interest when everybody started to praise nonsense like Gladiator (2000). When 300 (2006) came out and was the biggest thing at the time I decided "I am watching only cartoons now and maybe special effects heavy titles!"...and MCU started in 2008, had a lot a stinkers and somehow managed to make me hate special effects after Endgame.

Also don't let me started on how I hated Harry Potter being more popular than Lord Of The Rings and how deeply disappointing was The Hobbit (I mean, it had interesting moment, but as whole total trash).


"I wanted to become a cinephile"

Maybe you had somehow too idealised idea what cinephile means.


"had very mixed experiences"

Searching to refine your knowledge and understanding is suffering.
You are not supposed to like every experiment, just to get the idea what and where those artists were searching...also were they self indulging pseudo art pretenders.


"What's your experience with older/experimental/artsy anime?"

Here some random experimental stuff (you are familiar with part of it) - https://myanimelist.net/stacks/4645
alshu said:
"What's your experience with older/experimental/artsy anime?"

Here some random experimental stuff (you are familiar with part of it) - https://myanimelist.net/stacks/4645

I really wanted to like Kanatagatari since I like Take's artstyle, but those dragged out, circular dialogues that say nothing and go nowhere were like torture to me, reminded me of Fate/Zero.
Oct 10, 5:22 PM
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@valico
Because I look up to people who seem to know their shit and flaunt their superiority on the plebs.
I keep thinking "I wanna be just like them".

Also, your comment reminds me of one I got earlier this year when I wrote a thread on /tv/

@thewiru well you're already largely insufferable, so you're halfway there. since you seem to lack the ability to understand the media you watch on a subsurface level, you might as well just fake it at this point. all cinephiles do is flaunt the common "uncommon" opinions and get reinforcement from other dickheads who want to lord that over people who aren't concerned about being part of an in crowd. authenticity is bunk for them anyways. it's all about appearance.

this also applies to anime elitists.
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I am not a cinephile, and I have to question who cares enough to do that kind of gatekeeping.
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Oct 10, 5:57 PM

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alshu said:
"What's your experience with older/experimental/artsy anime?"

Here some random experimental stuff (you are familiar with part of it) - https://myanimelist.net/stacks/4645

I really wanted to like Kanatagatari since I like Take's artstyle, but those dragged out, circular dialogues that say nothing and go nowhere were like torture to me, reminded me of Fate/Zero.
thewiru said:
I really wanted to like Kanatagatari since I like Take's artstyle, but those dragged out, circular dialogues that say nothing and go nowhere were like torture to me, reminded me of Fate/Zero.

I suggest you play World's End Club if you want a good story with Take.
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@thewiru well you're already largely insufferable, so you're halfway there. since you seem to lack the ability to understand the media you watch on a subsurface level, you might as well just fake it at this point. all cinephiles do is flaunt the common "uncommon" opinions and get reinforcement from other dickheads who want to lord that over people who aren't concerned about being part of an in crowd. authenticity is bunk for them anyways. it's all about appearance.

this also applies to anime elitists.
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since you seem to lack the ability to understand the media you watch on a subsurface level

And how do I learn that?
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since you seem to lack the ability to understand the media you watch on a subsurface level

And how do I learn that?
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@thewiru literary education for a baseline. life experience beyond that.
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valico said:
since you seem to lack the ability to understand the media you watch on a subsurface level

And how do I learn that?
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@thewiru Acknowledging that other people other than you exist.
Oct 10, 6:49 PM

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The problem is that you always want to become a specific thing to brag about it or feel special because of it. You want to show people. Otherwise it's worthless.


My experience is that you, rather than do things just so you can lecture strangers on the internet about a certain field, should do things you actually enjoy doing. Even if nobody cares or ever knows about it, in the end :)

People might not praise you or find you interesting then.
But hey, you would do something just for you and not for cheap MaL Interactions. That would be healthy.
Oct 10, 7:12 PM

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There's no point to trying to become a "cinephile" rather than just watching whatever appeals to you. If you want to broaden your horizon by trying out different genres, then there's no problem. But forcing yourself to consume media you don't find palatable for the sake of refining your taste only leads to burnout. Also, no one's really special for liking one thing over the other.

I personally value how an anime made me feel above other qualities, and boredom would be at the bottom of that list. That goes for older/experimental anime as well, as old in itself never meant good.
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I prefer the older anime, some of it’s artsy and some of it’s the trashy hyper violent or “ha ha, booba bounce, thanks Gainax” and other trash. Am I a cinephile? No, I just enjoy what I enjoy and yes that includes older arthouse live action flicks or the black and white ‘classics’.
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@thewiru literary education for a baseline. life experience beyond that.
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What do you mean by that?
How would I get such literary education?
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The problem is that you always want to become a specific thing to brag about it or feel special because of it. You want to show people. Otherwise it's worthless.


My experience is that you, rather than do things just so you can lecture strangers on the internet about a certain field, should do things you actually enjoy doing. Even if nobody cares or ever knows about it, in the end :)

People might not praise you or find you interesting then.
But hey, you would do something just for you and not for cheap MaL Interactions. That would be healthy.
Merve2Love said:
should do things you actually enjoy doing.

I'm complaining for months on end that I have nobody to talk about seasonals with.
If your logic was correct, I would've stopped watching seasonals long ago, no?
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@thewiru Acknowledging that other people other than you exist.
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What is that even supposed to mean???????
Oct 10, 7:50 PM
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I've always been a fan of artistic anime both new and old. If that answers the question. 🤔
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Merve2Love said:
should do things you actually enjoy doing.

I'm complaining for months on end that I have nobody to talk about seasonals with.
If your logic was correct, I would've stopped watching seasonals long ago, no?
@thewiru

Exactly. You're complaining.
It has LESS meaning, if you can't go on the internet and talk about what you think, regarding seasonals. It's less fun for you.


My logic seems to be working.... 😅
You don't enjoy doing it. You just do it for internet clout.

Turn it off. It's not good for you.


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Well I've watched Pompo: The Cinéphile 3 times.
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@valico
What do you mean by that?
How would I get such literary education?
@thewiru literary education isn't the important part. you've already got the baseline and understand basic story structures, concepts like foreshadowing and metaphors. literal basic literary concepts.

what you lack is life experience. human interaction. risk. consequence. failure. success.

you seem to struggle connecting the dots on why people enjoy things, and that's almost certainly because they have experiences that cause them to develop personal attachments to fictional stories.

for example, i know FLCL a show you've found to be praised and you dont understand why. that is my all time #1 favorite media work in existence. i don't love FLCL because it's wacky and artsy. i don't love it because it might earn me useless prestige in an online forum. i love FLCL because it is a show that acknowledged the feelings i had during a critical relationship failure early on in my life.

that personal attachment pushed me to start researching different aspects of FLCL. i read the light novels yoji enokido wrote after the anime was finished. i read interviews with staff. i researched promotional materials. i compared sub and dub translations. i researched the significance of hands, japanese number puns, guitars, baseball, the significance of bread crusts. i dug into gainax's production history. i made spreadsheets of character relationships.

ive shared none of that online, and probably never will. i do it because i love FLCL, because it landed emotionally with me at a vulnerable time in my life, and I've dedicated energy toward learning more about the show, and I've learned more about myself in the process. i don't care if someone think that makes me an elite flcl fan, an elite anime fan, an obsessed otaku, or whatever. i have more going on in my life that gives me a sense of value and belonging well beyond my anime hobby, so I don't give a shit what anyone thinks about me personally in that regard. though i do love discussing it, because i learn about others and myself by doing so.

none of that will likely mean anything to you. what do you care about my personal obsession with flcl? and that's the point @MelodyofMemory was making. you'll never understand why people like the things they like if you don't have any interest in other people's lives, experiences, and emotions. you seem to see others as nothing more than plebs to own with your elite knowledge or something. its a useless mindset, which is probably why you get nowhere with your artificial attempts at becoming an elitist or whatever.
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thewiru said:
I'm complaining for months on end that I have nobody to talk about seasonals with.

Did people stop making threads for new episodes of seasonal anime on /a/? I haven' been there in years now but you could always find a thread about a seasonal whenever new episodes dropped. Some were obviously more active than others but there would usually be at least a handful of people discussing every anime
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Merve2Love said:
should do things you actually enjoy doing.

I'm complaining for months on end that I have nobody to talk about seasonals with.
If your logic was correct, I would've stopped watching seasonals long ago, no?
@thewiru do you realize you have discussion tab under each anime on mal?
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Oct 11, 1:41 AM

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@thewiru do you realize you have discussion tab under each anime on mal?
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I answered this in other threads, but episode discussion threads aren't what I'm looking for, and for a plethora of reasons.
If you want, I can explain them.
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thewiru said:
I'm complaining for months on end that I have nobody to talk about seasonals with.

Did people stop making threads for new episodes of seasonal anime on /a/? I haven' been there in years now but you could always find a thread about a seasonal whenever new episodes dropped. Some were obviously more active than others but there would usually be at least a handful of people discussing every anime
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I do go to /a/ from time to time, but this isn't exactly what I'm looking for.
How to make your social-media algorithms send you posts about the seasonal anime you're watching?
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@jacobPOL
I answered this in other threads, but episode discussion threads aren't what I'm looking for, and for a plethora of reasons.
If you want, I can explain them.
@thewiru then explain this from your perspective why you doesn't engage in discussion of individual anime tab? Because you can create threads yourself within these anime discussion tabs like for example as you do in main discussion forums.
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