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If you google 葬送のフリーレン this is one of the first things you'll see



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Within Japan it's treated as exactly what it is, just another isekai anime. Across Asia it's completely unheard of (not an exaggeration). And in the west it's only the fanboys who can't shut up about it. And yet I hear "Frieren is a cultural phenomenon".

I am also seeing a lot of "the director isn't returning" and "how could he pass on Frieren" and it honestly makes me cringe. Firstly, with due respect Saitou is not an "esteemed" animation director. He only has two things to his credit, "Bocchi" and "The greatest most spectacular masterpiece" both of which had mediocre animation. Secondly and more importantly, "The greatest most spectacular masterpiece" is not a big deal. Fanboys are acting as if it's Demon Slayer which would have animators running on fours to be part of. Doing another season would've only added a +1 on his portfolio for successfully leading a project. "There's a small cult worshipping me on the other side of globe" isn't going to booster his career in any way. If anything, the staff must be scratching their heads as to what is even going on overseas.

And I know some fanboy mod is going to lock this thread for whatever random rule they come up with, because God forbid anyone says anything against this "masterpiece".
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Oct 8, 9:41 PM
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Bruh called Frieren an isekai and expects to be taken seriously.
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10/10 ragebait, almost broke my screen.
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I blame the Anime Mods for not giving both Frieren S1 and Look Back the "Award Winning" tag immediately after they won this year's Tokyo Anime Awards Festival because I'm now unsure if this thread is pure ragebaiting or ignorant.
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I blame the Anime Mods for not giving both Frieren S1 and Look Back the "Award Winning" tag immediately after they won this year's Tokyo Anime Awards Festival because I'm now unsure if this thread is pure ragebaiting or ignorant.
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Do you know which other anime have won that very same award in the past

Disney's Frozen 2015
Love Live! The School Idol Movie 2016 (this is the exact same year "Your Name" opened)
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underrated, honestly should have a higher mal score
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I've been to Akihabara right after Frieren finished airing. The merch for it is everywhere, it's not just "another isekai" for them
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First of all, Frieren is not an isekai. (what even made u think that?)
Second of all, just cuz people are curious about what overseas fans like about it doesn't mean it's not popular in Japan. It literally won 1st Place in Tokyo Anime Award Festival. Ofc it's just a simple award show but even the blu-rays sold really well.
Also, Frieren ranks really well in the most popular streaming services in Japan like D-anime store:

Just go to any anime merch store in Japan nd u will be able to grasp it's popularity. The manga is currently one of the top sellers for Shounen Sunday.
Also, why do u even care so much?
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I was typing up a genuine response to this, but then I realized you called Frieren an isekai and then said it and Bocchi have mediocre animation…

You almost got me. Almost fell for the bait. You silly goose, you
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I get the op dislike the series, which is completely fine. But holy shit what the actual fuck did he just wrote.
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nishant0 said:
I get the op dislike the series, which is completely fine. But holy shit what the actual fuck did he just wrote.

A load of shit. That's what he wrote.
Oct 9, 12:39 AM

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As an empath I think op hates "isekai" frieren.
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Istredd said:
I've been to Akihabara right after Frieren finished airing. The merch for it is everywhere, it's not just "another isekai" for them


Subxxxx1 said:
Also, Frieren ranks really well in the most popular streaming services in Japan like D-anime store

Sure thing it's popular in Japan the same way Isekai genre is probably the most popular genre in Japan right now. But no one is calling it "The Greatest Anime Ever" in the same way no one would call KonoSuba the greatest even tho it took over Japan at one point. Anyone will be shocked by how much it's worshipped by some fanboys in the west.

Piromysl said:
Bruh called Frieren an isekai

Istredd said:
it's not just "another isekai"

Subxxxx1 said:
First of all, Frieren is not an isekai. (what even made u think that?)

Mando727 said:
but then I realized you called Frieren an isekai

Headpatts said:
"isekai" frieren

Yes it is, drop the "technicality" shield

Subxxxx1 said:
Also, why do u even care so much?

I'll be honest, I was bored today

Edit: A mod modified this comment to "remove bait" but I rewrote it to the original

Mod Edit: Removed baiting.
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Captain-577 said:

Piromysl said:
Bruh called Frieren an isekai

Istredd said:
it's not just "another isekai"

Subxxxx1 said:
First of all, Frieren is not an isekai. (what even made u think that?)

Mando727 said:
but then I realized you called Frieren an isekai

Headpatts said:
"isekai" frieren

Yes it is, drop the "technicality" shield

It is literally not. "Isekai" means other world. It explores the themes of a character delving into a world that they are not familiar with. Frieren is born and knows of the world she is in. Every fantasy anime isn't isekai cuz by that logic every anime that shows a fictional world would be an isekai. Have you even watched the show tbh?
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Subxxxx1 said:
Frieren is born and knows of the world she is in

A world where characters are based on character stereotypes taken from classic RPGs. A world where magic works on a Mana system which is taken from classic RPGs. Why does that remind me of a certain genre which is very popular these days?
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Legendary ragebait
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Captain-577 said:
Istredd said:
I've been to Akihabara right after Frieren finished airing. The merch for it is everywhere, it's not just "another isekai" for them


Subxxxx1 said:
Also, Frieren ranks really well in the most popular streaming services in Japan like D-anime store

Sure thing it's popular in Japan the same way Isekai genre is probably the most popular genre in Japan right now. But no one is calling it "The Greatest Anime Ever" in the same way no one would call KonoSuba the greatest even tho it took over Japan at one point. Seeing how much western fanboys worship it is going to shock anyone.

Piromysl said:
Bruh called Frieren an isekai

Istredd said:
it's not just "another isekai"

Subxxxx1 said:
First of all, Frieren is not an isekai. (what even made u think that?)

Mando727 said:
but then I realized you called Frieren an isekai

Headpatts said:
"isekai" frieren

Yes it is, drop the "technicality" shield

Subxxxx1 said:
Also, why do u even care so much?

I'll be honest, I was bored today

I'll give you benefit of the doubt and assume you are just ragebaiting. The alternative is much more embarrassing for you.
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Captain-577 said:
Subxxxx1 said:
Frieren is born and knows of the world she is in

A world where characters are based on character stereotypes taken from classic RPGs. A world where magic works on a Mana system which is taken from classic RPGs. Why does that remind me of a certain genre which is very popular these days?

The fact that it reminds you of that is not sufficient reason. If it's a detective story (but not a murder case) you can't say "it's a story about murder" just because it's similar, that would be like saying that being in an airport is the same as flying in an airplane.
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Frieren isn't the most popular anime, but it's the most liked one per viewer, that's why it reached the top score on most anime ranking websites.
*kappa*
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Headpatts said:
As an empath I think op hates "isekai" frieren.

How very Dianna Troy of you 😂
Oct 9, 2:51 AM
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The word 'isekai' is used wrong outside or Japan.
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Frieren isekai? is that a doujin?
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What makes this anime likable for me is that it's something unique, it's certainly not the first anime in a fantasy world with elfs and sht but the way the story is told feels refreshing. The animations are above average and the plot mid IMO. But yeah, I agree it's grossly overated.
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It's a spectacular show, not because the setting is new, on the contrary, it's famous because it can be interesting and intriguing even with a normal or common setting.
The way this show treats all kinds of themes is unique and the way it can make anyone feel represented (because it's pretty much identifiable with any matter in every step and stage of life) is what makes it so appealing.
Is serious and enjoyable, it starts touching themes like death, time, purposes, motivations, love (all kinds), and many more in a very refreshing way and in a perspective of mature characters in general but at the same time, characters with flaws that are trying to be better at each chapter (as we see as public).
So anyone should give it an opportunity and let this show explain itself.
I personally love it and when I gave it an opportunity, it was a very good surprise and it's like a masterpiece for me (and that depends of each person, but for me it is).
Oct 9, 5:14 AM
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"Isekai". Disregarded opinion.
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Some people do have too much free time.
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bro called bocchi and frieren mediocre animation 💀
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Isekai refers to entering another world, which is quite different from the RPG style of Frieren. Pls do at least a little research and use a little logic before ragebaiting
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Captain-577 said:
If you google 葬送のフリーレン this is one of the first things you'll see



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Within Japan it's treated as exactly what it is, just another isekai anime. Across Asia it's completely unheard of (not an exaggeration). And in the west it's only the fanboys who can't shut up about it. And yet I hear "Frieren is a cultural phenomenon".

I am also seeing a lot of "the director isn't returning" and "how could he pass on Frieren" and it honestly makes me cringe. Firstly, with due respect Saitou is not an "esteemed" animation director. He only has two things to his credit, "Bocchi" and "The greatest most spectacular masterpiece" both of which had mediocre animation. Secondly and more importantly, "The greatest most spectacular masterpiece" is not a big deal. Fanboys are acting as if it's Demon Slayer which would have animators running on fours to be part of. Doing another season would've only added a +1 on his portfolio for successfully leading a project. "There's a small cult worshipping me on the other side of globe" isn't going to booster his career in any way. If anything, the staff must be scratching their heads as to what is even going on overseas.

And I know some fanboy mod is going to lock this thread for whatever random rule they come up with, because God forbid anyone says anything against this "masterpiece".

thank god im not the only one who thinks this show is overrated as shit
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Captain-577 said:
If you google 葬送のフリーレン this is one of the first things you'll see



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Within Japan it's treated as exactly what it is, just another isekai anime. Across Asia it's completely unheard of (not an exaggeration). And in the west it's only the fanboys who can't shut up about it. And yet I hear "Frieren is a cultural phenomenon".

I am also seeing a lot of "the director isn't returning" and "how could he pass on Frieren" and it honestly makes me cringe. Firstly, with due respect Saitou is not an "esteemed" animation director. He only has two things to his credit, "Bocchi" and "The greatest most spectacular masterpiece" both of which had mediocre animation. Secondly and more importantly, "The greatest most spectacular masterpiece" is not a big deal. Fanboys are acting as if it's Demon Slayer which would have animators running on fours to be part of. Doing another season would've only added a +1 on his portfolio for successfully leading a project. "There's a small cult worshipping me on the other side of globe" isn't going to booster his career in any way. If anything, the staff must be scratching their heads as to what is even going on overseas.

And I know some fanboy mod is going to lock this thread for whatever random rule they come up with, because God forbid anyone says anything against this "masterpiece".

too bad it's the highest rated shit in every platforms. if it's trash, then what ever you liked or favorite like midslayer are more trash of anime that frieren. i mean you do know flashy animation don't make up for a mediocre writing. ohh exepct for one anime .
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how op felt writing the most shit take ever to exist
Oct 9, 7:52 AM
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bro said Frieren is an isekai. lmao 😂
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Master, Master!!🙋🏻‍♂️🙋🏻‍♂️ Give me more attention...ちょうだい
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GBA_Emulator said:
What makes this anime likable for me is that it's something unique, it's certainly not the first anime in a fantasy world with elfs and sht but the way the story is told feels refreshing. The animations are above average and the plot mid IMO. But yeah, I agree it's grossly overated.

Bro you gave it a 10 and you yourself are calling it overrated 😭
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Captain-577 said:
Subxxxx1 said:
Frieren is born and knows of the world she is in

A world where characters are based on character stereotypes taken from classic RPGs. A world where magic works on a Mana system which is taken from classic RPGs. Why does that remind me of a certain genre which is very popular these days?

Troupes and genres and completely different things. Those are fantasy troupes u will see in most fantasy stories. Also, those r not RPG settings. RPG r role playing games and they don't necessarily have to be in a fantasy setting. Isekai necessarily doesn't need to be classic. It can also be a sci-fi or anything unique. The concept of magic spells and books have existed way before isekai. They r fantasy troupes not isekai troupes. Just cuz most uninspired isekai take place in a copy pasted fantasy world doesn't mean these troupes become a part of isekai. Isekai literally translates to "otherworld". Also, Frieren's world follows a mkre classic fantasy setting rather than modern fantasy trends in the anime community.
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@Captain-577

When you private your list, you have no room to talk, plus you hardly have a list anyway, funny ragebait though. People need to learn to ignore the clowns trying to make them mad though.
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You know Google shows this kind of recommendations based on your search history, right?
For sure you can't have any clue about the overall reception of Frieren anywhere from your own experience and for the record mine is quite the opposite of yours. Being Japan or in the west
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The OP is just coping gng 😭 he tryna prove frieren is Isekai cuz it the characters can use magic and they need mana and stuff like thats not typical fantasy plot, why hate frieren for some attention gng.

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You know what's funny?
Every time I see contrarians talking about Raging Frieren fanbase this or toxic fanboys that, overrated yadda yadda...
And yet, like 7/10 new threads I see created about Frieren consists of ragebaiting, an alt account trying to create an argument as to why it's overrated or something that seems written with ChatGPT.

Oh, and 2 out of the other 3 threads are about news related to the franchise.

Honestly, the haters are giving more online traction to Frieren than its so called raging fandom. And it's hilarious to see.
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Frieren isnt isekai. Its just straight fantasy.
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Bruh called Frieren an isekai and expects to be taken seriously.
@Piromysl True, we all know it's a native isekai, silly OP.
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its play-acting elitism. that's my guess why there's so much pretension about this show
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Nice ragebait 😭😭🥀🥀💔💔
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Damn, I wasted 7 minutes of my life on this ragebait thread😭

Also, if you think bocchi and frieren have "mediocre" animation, do you like just watch demon slayer and kyoani stuff cause even compared to those Bocchi and Frieren animation is still not "Mediocre"
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isekai frieren would go harder than the frieren we actually have.
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Did you call Frieren an Isekai? Also, Bocchi The Rock had decent animation for a slice of life anime. I'm so confused as to why you would come to a Frieren thread solely to hate on it.
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"Frieren" and "isekai" 😂 you're a joke bud
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You can't lead off with calling a high fantasy an isekai and not expect to be called a moron lol
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There is a new initiative called "Global Anime Challenge" which will fund young animator's new projects to futher push anime on a global scale. Two members of this project were interviewed recently, Saitou Keiichirou (director for Bocchi, "the greatest most spectacular masterpiece") and Nakame Takashi (production manager, credits include Your Name, Mirai no Mirai, "the greatest most spectacular masterpiece")
Source : https://mantan-web.jp/article/20250810dog00m200064000c.html#goog_rewarded

Here's a comment from Saitou
斎藤さん said:
海外のコンベンションに呼んでいただき、海外のファンの方と交流する機会があり、漠然と思っていることがあるのですが、海外の方が熱狂している日本のアニメは、傾向として少し偏りがあるのかもしれません。人気があるものがやっぱり人気だと感じていて、大きな流れがある。作っている側との分断が生まれかねない状況でもあると思っています。流れが大きいが故に、そこに注力しすぎると、そればかりがアニメの側面として強くなっています。


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"I have been to overseas conventions and had the opportunity to talk with foreign fans; I think the Japanese anime(he specifically says 日本のアニメ) that overseas fans are crazy about tend to be a little bit biased. There's a big trend of what is expected to be popular. I believe this situation creates a disconnect with the creators. The flow of trends is so strong that focusing on trends dictates the anime."

No it's not "rage-bait". The very director is asking the same question. "WTF is going on overseas?"
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