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May 31, 11:18 PM
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Anime elitism used to be an extremely niche thing 10 years ago because anime was not yet global, but nowadays as more and more people get into the medium, the elitists find it less and less appealing to be a part of this medium. Think about it, kids today will start with obscure stuff like Lain, LoTGH, Haibane Renmei, Monster, or Ergo Proxy from the bat duo to easy availability and word of mouth. These once obscure anime are now mainstream. And as old anime are now mainstream, Elitists have lost what makes them feel special. In a extremely ironic sense they orchestrated their own demise. The Elitists reign is over, and that's a good thing. Long live the anime fandom! We have nothing to fear anymore!
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I don't see many youngsters talking about so called 'elitist' shows, if there is even such a thing. Most elitist shows are simply very good shows with some depth, layers and meaning. We need more people to watch and experience shows like Utena, LotGH (posterboy of the elitist movement, and for good reason, masterpiece), Haibane Renmei, Princess Tutu, Lain, Patlabor Movie 2, Tatami Galaxy, Twelve Kingdoms, Ergo Proxy, Texnolyze, Casshern Sins, Satoshi Kon movies, Monster, Pluto, Mushishi, Showa Genroku Rakugo Shinju, Aria franchise, Planetes, Ashita no Joe (direction of S2 in particular), Rose of Versailles, GitS SAC, FLCL, Potemayo and ofc Koihime Musou.

Anime fans only tend to get to these shows when they've had their fill of seasonals and begin exploring a wider variety of older and well regarded picks, and even then they watch the classics first, at least that's what I did. Took me years to get around to the shows labelled elitist. If you haven't watched them, then don't be put off, they're all very good or great watches.

Long live the elitists, may they shine the way for us lesser mortals to follow in their glorious footsteps.
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No, admittedly it won't. I've been on this ride since I was born, and when I got on, that's when I knew. The elitists still are around.

That being said, they're more bark than their bite. They're mostly cooped up in their own bubbles, and most people have more brains and sense than them.

There's also a dark side to them, and I would rather see them be delivered a special package from Number One With a Bullet Express, but again, they're usually too cooped up to do any harm. (until they do)
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I don't see many youngsters talking about so called 'elitist' shows, if there is even such a thing. Most elitist shows are simply very good shows with some depth, layers and meaning. We need more people to watch and experience shows like Utena, LotGH (posterboy of the elitist movement, and for good reason, masterpiece), Haibane Renmei, Princess Tutu, Lain, Patlabor Movie 2, Tatami Galaxy, Twelve Kingdoms, Ergo Proxy, Texnolyze, Casshern Sins, Satoshi Kon movies, Monster, Pluto, Mushishi, Showa Genroku Rakugo Shinju, Aria franchise, Planetes, Ashita no Joe (direction of S2 in particular), Rose of Versailles, GitS SAC, FLCL, Potemayo and ofc Koihime Musou.

Anime fans only tend to get to these shows when they've had their fill of seasonals and begin exploring a wider variety of older and well regarded picks, and even then they watch the classics first, at least that's what I did. Took me years to get around to the shows labelled elitist. If you haven't watched them, then don't be put off, they're all very good or great watches.

Long live the elitists, may they shine the way for us lesser mortals to follow in their glorious footsteps.
@23feanor The only reason they are anime elitists is because they failed at being a movie, music, or literature elitist. Let that sink in. Anime are viewed as a lesser artform in the World, not my words, those are the words of the people bringing you the shows overseas.
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No, there's always going to be annoying people who condescend towards others because they have "better" and "more refined" taste in media.
23feanor said:
I don't see many youngsters talking about so called 'elitist' shows, if there is even such a thing.
Really? I see it quite often. On discord in particular.
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The only reason they are anime elitists is because they failed at being a movie, music, or literature elitist.
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@23feanor The only reason they are anime elitists is because they failed at being a movie, music, or literature elitist. Let that sink in. Anime are viewed as a lesser artform in the World, not my words, those are the words of the people bringing you the shows overseas.
@minzera anime fans have always been elitist. That's why we have sub elitists and guys who make fun of adult swim/toonami watchers back in the day.
I swear on the video game board I used to frequent, gamefaqs, all the anime board people made fun of the non-anime board gamers taste in anime because they liked stuff like fmab, death note, geass etc.

This was back in 2011 or so.

/a/? They've always hated Adult Swim and Toonami stuff


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I don't see many youngsters talking about so called 'elitist' shows, if there is even such a thing. Most elitist shows are simply very good shows with some depth, layers and meaning. We need more people to watch and experience shows like Utena, LotGH (posterboy of the elitist movement, and for good reason, masterpiece), Haibane Renmei, Princess Tutu, Lain, Patlabor Movie 2, Tatami Galaxy, Twelve Kingdoms, Ergo Proxy, Texnolyze, Casshern Sins, Satoshi Kon movies, Monster, Pluto, Mushishi, Showa Genroku Rakugo Shinju, Aria franchise, Planetes, Ashita no Joe (direction of S2 in particular), Rose of Versailles, GitS SAC, FLCL, Potemayo and ofc Koihime Musou.

Anime fans only tend to get to these shows when they've had their fill of seasonals and begin exploring a wider variety of older and well regarded picks, and even then they watch the classics first, at least that's what I did. Took me years to get around to the shows labelled elitist. If you haven't watched them, then don't be put off, they're all very good or great watches.

Long live the elitists, may they shine the way for us lesser mortals to follow in their glorious footsteps.
@23feanor That's the problem with elitists. They're a bunch of Skull and Bones fraternal mystery religion secret society-ists that feel the need to test you and haze you in if you want to be in their circle. It's not just enough if you watch those series, you have to have their mentality and conform to their herd, or you're just another "member of the unwashed masses".

It's why I tend to give them the middle finger and remind them that their "tastes" won't get them laid. Also, fans like the "elites" aren't more morally superior for their "tastes". In fact, many of them do heinous shit and live in some fucked up delusion that their interests and agenda absolves them from any responsibility in their lives. I tend to stay away from them because that eventually implodes into a very messy and nasty fashion.

I get that older stuff does and is getting appreciated, but at the same time, the elites are gatekeeping the perspectives they think new fans ought to follow than to think for themselves, and they aren't accepting that the world is moving on for a reason, let alone more intrinsic graspings like life isn't perfect and neither are humans nor their experiences. The Eltingville Club was created for a reason, and its reason was to shine a light on this kind of crap.

You want to watch the shows presented? Great for you. Hideaki Anno, "King of Otaku" himself, hates diehard fanatic asshole otaku for a reason however, and that goes towards those elitists who think they're beyond reproach too.
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Sadly, these elitists still exist, despite there being a bit less of them. They are almost always tourists, much like Toonami core fans. In fact, they tend to overlap quite a bit, as a lot of both ends are huge fans of shows like Cowboy Bebop. They all think they're better than everybody else. There are also Gainax/Trigger worshippers, who also seem to overlap quite a bit with elitist tourists. They tend to think shows like Evangelion are the "fanciest" in existence, when it's really only just good.
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No, we are not going away, the community needs us, so someone can publicly shit on the most popular trash of the moment.
If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time.

Watch more movies, please.

Perhaps, this is hell.
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what exactly would you consider as an anime elitist? Would I be one?
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@23feanor The only reason they are anime elitists is because they failed at being a movie, music, or literature elitist. Let that sink in. Anime are viewed as a lesser artform in the World, not my words, those are the words of the people bringing you the shows overseas.
@minzera You assume someone can't be all of those things; movie, music, literature and anime elitist. If you have great objective taste in one field, you're likely to excel in consuming all forms of art and media.

Elitists are elite by nature, they are the cream of the crop, lesser beings like us, swimming in the bog of eternal stench can't fathom their greatness, nor perceive their mind or intentions fully, and it is perilous to try dear reader. For those who delve too deeply in an unknown artform, and take apart a wonderous thing to discover how it works have strayed from the path of wisdom. Take heed dear mortal, dabble not in the affairs of the elitists, for they are subtle and quick to anger!

'There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy'

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No, there's always going to be annoying people who condescend towards others because they have "better" and "more refined" taste in media.
23feanor said:
I don't see many youngsters talking about so called 'elitist' shows, if there is even such a thing.
Really? I see it quite often. On discord in particular.
minzera said:
The only reason they are anime elitists is because they failed at being a movie, music, or literature elitist.
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@letterling Discord would be where the bog trotters live, who feed in the bog of eternal stench. A true elitist would never sully their shining intelligence by deigning to visit such an abode of ill repute as a Discord server, 'heavens forbid....perish the thought..' is what they would say, I would hazard a guess (not actually knowing an elitists myself you see).
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@23feanor That's the problem with elitists. They're a bunch of Skull and Bones fraternal mystery religion secret society-ists that feel the need to test you and haze you in if you want to be in their circle. It's not just enough if you watch those series, you have to have their mentality and conform to their herd, or you're just another "member of the unwashed masses".

It's why I tend to give them the middle finger and remind them that their "tastes" won't get them laid. Also, fans like the "elites" aren't more morally superior for their "tastes". In fact, many of them do heinous shit and live in some fucked up delusion that their interests and agenda absolves them from any responsibility in their lives. I tend to stay away from them because that eventually implodes into a very messy and nasty fashion.

I get that older stuff does and is getting appreciated, but at the same time, the elites are gatekeeping the perspectives they think new fans ought to follow than to think for themselves, and they aren't accepting that the world is moving on for a reason, let alone more intrinsic graspings like life isn't perfect and neither are humans nor their experiences. The Eltingville Club was created for a reason, and its reason was to shine a light on this kind of crap.

You want to watch the shows presented? Great for you. Hideaki Anno, "King of Otaku" himself, hates diehard fanatic asshole otaku for a reason however, and that goes towards those elitists who think they're beyond reproach too.
@HokutoMumyoZan Good points well made. In all my time here, I've never met anyone who acted as you describe. Maybe I'm lucky. Yes you get pretentious idiots on the main forums loudly proclaiming their great taste, they're attention seekers, not actual elitists.

I've met some very knowledgeable anime fans, who have large amounts to say on various shows a lot of people call elitist. I went away, watched the shows and movies and found what they had to say was mostly interesting, well thought out, and they were willing and accepting of the views of new watchers like myself. But that was my experience.
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@minzera You assume someone can't be all of those things; movie, music, literature and anime elitist. If you have great objective taste in one field, you're likely to excel in consuming all forms of art and media.

Elitists are elite by nature, they are the cream of the crop, lesser beings like us, swimming in the bog of eternal stench can't fathom their greatness, nor perceive their mind or intentions fully, and it is perilous to try dear reader. For those who delve too deeply in an unknown artform, and take apart a wonderous thing to discover how it works have strayed from the path of wisdom. Take heed dear mortal, dabble not in the affairs of the elitists, for they are subtle and quick to anger!

'There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy'

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@23feanor You are thinking way too highly of them. They are not some societal elite, they are self-made elites on the internet, no better than plebs. In fact even worse off, because they do not know their place. With the anime that have become popular and renowned for being (elitist starter pack bait) smart a problem arises as now all the insecure people flock to them and like posers (those chicks who wear the Metallica/ Nirvana T-Shirts), lie, they act like they love them for internet clout. Anime Elitism is dead and we killed it!

Anime fandom does not value classics, there are no classics. The fandom likes what is trendy at the time. That's it.
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No, I doubt it'll go away. It doesn't seem to be as bad as it was before, but it's still there.

Plus, it depends on what type you're talking about. Some feel just watching anime with subtitles/any other language is wrong since they feel that's not how it's supposed to be viewed. Some feel watching something that's not grim and gory means you're childish.
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The more often I hear the word "anime elitism" the less I understand what it actually means.
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Unlikely to ever happen in my opinion
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Unlikely to ever happen in my opinion
@dndlion Let's look at the Western equivalent of the Anime fandom. Cartoon community do not have any type of elitism present, just very toxic fandoms a kin to the Battle Shonen ones.
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@dndlion Let's look at the Western equivalent of the Anime fandom. Cartoon community do not have any type of elitism present, just very toxic fandoms a kin to the Battle Shonen ones.
@minzera agree with you on that for sure,the thing with elitists especially those younger ones is that they usually start off by watching shounens and after some time they discover seinen shows and when that happens they think that's the peak of fiction and how nobody understands why those shows are better than these "normie shounens and shoujos"
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OP has been feed the anime elitist meme and took it at face value. Hilarious.

We're never going away, OP. We are lurking at the periphery of your vision; in the blind spots of the mainstream audience; in the dark corners of the anime fandom's consciousness. In silence, we plot. In the shadows, we plot. Endlessly, we plot. We plot your demise, and prepare for the day we'll finally take over the anime fandom and gatekeep all these brainless battle shounen casuals. No more Demon Slayer! Only the elitest anime like Casshern Sins will be tolerated. Ergo Proxy? LoGH? What is this mainstream filth you're babbling about? You don't seem to understand, OP...

You think we're dying, but we're not. You think you got us cornered, but you have not. We are moving. Changing. Evolving. You can't see us, but we're watching you. Every time you think you finally understood one of the pilars of our anime credo, we build two new ones. Like the hydra of ancient myths, our existence is unending. The monuments we build to our anime will outlast you and the memory of your precious FMA:B and Frieren. Filthy casuals will be crying in the ashes of trash isekai anime fantasy; we'll still be here, celebrating the greatness of extremely intellectual 90s science-fiction anime. Abandon all hope, tasteless scum! We are Eternal.




Grabs a cup of tea and starts rewatching Utena.
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Anime elitism doesn't exist, you can't be an elitist of a product made with the lowest budget possible because serial animation at least works in that way. I know, my nickname is proud elitist but it refers to the elitism of not accepting localizations of sorts and watching animes as they were intended on japanese soil, with only the subs as a localization for foreigners (elitism that I reserve not just for animes but for audio-visual products from all the world, anyway). That and the fact that most of the times, in my experience, animes are a VAST improvement on mangas when the source of the IP in question is a manga (of course). What should really disappear is the elitism of people reading mangas and every single time telling you that YOU HAVE TO READ THE MANGA because otherwise you're going to miss something. Not everybody is interested in mangas and mangas being written doesn't make them better per se. This stupid obsession with the written word in a world where cultures relying solely on oral tradition and visual training to do things still exist (yes, they do) is completely stupid, manga book or whatever the written thing might be. Source: I've been watching animes and animation for thirty years more or less at this point.
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@minzera agree with you on that for sure,the thing with elitists especially those younger ones is that they usually start off by watching shounens and after some time they discover seinen shows and when that happens they think that's the peak of fiction and how nobody understands why those shows are better than these "normie shounens and shoujos"
@dndlion Yeah, that's the second phase, the third phase is acceptance and what I call going back to the roots... you go back to the childhood anime or to the Kodomo shonen/ Magical girl genre. At least that what happened to me.
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Why would it go away? There's elitism in any art form and the fact that even today, generic battle shonen/isekai are getting far more attention than something thought-provoking like Orb proves there's still a long way until "elitist" anime become mainstream. And the other titles you mentioned aside from Monster and Lain are still largely unknown.
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@dndlion Yeah, that's the second phase, the third phase is acceptance and what I call going back to the roots... you go back to the childhood anime or to the Kodomo shonen/ Magical girl genre. At least that what happened to me.
@minzera Exactly,that's how i went back to watching a lot of different genres and types of shows
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@dndlion Yeah, that's the second phase, the third phase is acceptance and what I call going back to the roots... you go back to the childhood anime or to the Kodomo shonen/ Magical girl genre. At least that what happened to me.
@minzera Exactly,that's how i went back to watching a lot of different genres and types of shows
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@minzera You assume someone can't be all of those things; movie, music, literature and anime elitist. If you have great objective taste in one field, you're likely to excel in consuming all forms of art and media.

Elitists are elite by nature, they are the cream of the crop, lesser beings like us, swimming in the bog of eternal stench can't fathom their greatness, nor perceive their mind or intentions fully, and it is perilous to try dear reader. For those who delve too deeply in an unknown artform, and take apart a wonderous thing to discover how it works have strayed from the path of wisdom. Take heed dear mortal, dabble not in the affairs of the elitists, for they are subtle and quick to anger!

'There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy'

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@23feanor You. I like you. Subtle trolling, OP totally fell for it; you just made my day (^:
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There is no elitism. Only people who refuse to grow as their best selves. Because it's more comfy this way. Just waifus and a box of napkins makes it uncomplicated. They believe that degeneracy and enjoyment über alles define them as an 'otaku' and should embody how all anime fans be like. That's why they mostly indulge on easily digestible nonsense that never provide intellectual stimulation. In other words, they expect to be babysitted by the medium, always keeping cerebral activity to a minimal. That's what makes me think they're in a state of arrested development, as spectators. In all honesty, this warrants all the trash talking. The "elitists" have, in fact, very average intellect. But next to them, they still sound like Einstein. It's not that they're better than them, it's more like the self indulgent otageeks burrowed themselves into what they are.

Not that there aren't also fake posing elitists, pretending that high flying shows are always their top priority, though.

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Do you think cowards who use alt accounts to make troll threads will ever go away?

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Anime elitism isn’t going anywhere, There will always be me who thinks watching pre-2000 anime makes anyone a scholar
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Yeah, that's very interesting... but anyway. Moving on.
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@JoeChip -kun being JoeChip-kun, as usual.

It's okay, you might not like us, but we like you. You're like, our cute lil' mascot 🥹
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@JoeChip -kun being JoeChip-kun, as usual.

It's okay, you might not like us, but we like you. You're like, our cute lil' mascot 🥹
@Deathko

What makes you think I was talking about you in any kind of way?
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Yeah, that's very interesting... but anyway. Moving on.
@minzera

Glad to know I bothered you enough to make you take that screenshot, which proves me right about you.

But I am afraid you won't able to see this post, right?
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Glad to know I bothered you enough to make you take that screenshot, which proves me right about you.

But I am afraid you won't able to see this post, right?
@JoeChip Nah, it just took 3 seconds, like typing this right now and I was joking, I ain't gonna block you, not like it does anything on this website. I enjoy your shitposts anyway.
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Anime elitism isn’t going anywhere, There will always be me who thinks watching pre-2000 anime makes anyone a scholar
@RainyEvenings

There are many good pre-2010 anime, though. The 2000s was very keen on technical and narrative experiments. It's just the era when the rot started to fully set. The cute girls doing cute things fad really exploded then.
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Elitism is just a mechanism for people who feel the need to be superior or unique to convince themselves they are. It's just a mindset, so it'll always exist. It also is usually accompanied by a dose of ignorance about others in the community as well, assuming others are somehow unaware of the superior knowledge 'elites' possess, or assuming anyone actually gives a fuck that they possess that knowledge.

True "elites" are the ones who possess knowledge and experience, but don't actually care or lord it over others who may not. But since they don't advertise themselves as "elites," they blend in with the crowd and more often appear to be a random good commentor or something.

Not that either matters, in the end. People who enjoy anime for their own reasons are far more valuable people to call peers than the ones who try to create value for themselves by attempting to classify themselves as superior to others.
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Sadly, these elitists still exist, despite there being a bit less of them. They are almost always tourists, much like Toonami core fans. In fact, they tend to overlap quite a bit, as a lot of both ends are huge fans of shows like Cowboy Bebop. They all think they're better than everybody else. There are also Gainax/Trigger worshippers, who also seem to overlap quite a bit with elitist tourists. They tend to think shows like Evangelion are the "fanciest" in existence, when it's really only just good.
@ForgotEyeWasHere for someone who only got into anime in 2014 lol & prattles on about tourists & censorship ..u sure talk a good game....remember that the people who are into ecchi/hentai/loli crap are a small niche minority doubly so in the west

anime roots bread & butter is combat/adventure shonen & sci fi/mecha/cyber punk targeted at males, dont u ever fking forget that!.... you're the only tourist here who does'nt respect what came before them (which is ironically tourist behavior)


i fear the day there is no hardcore hardline elitism &/or gate-keeping in anime bc the medium would become a mediocre cesspit over-run with self insert perverted degen freaks, dont cry bc other people have standards.
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No every art form has elitism. I think it’s safe to say most if not all elitists thrive off analysis, most elitist drawn anime are that because they all have deep meanings/imagery and usually delve into dark topics as well. It’s easy and fun to say well Evangelion Is 100x better than demon slayer bc its characters are better themeatically. And while yeah true demon slayers characters are definitely the McDonald’s development/personality wise. It’s way less fun, uncool and to be taken seriously to respond with well demon slayer was more fun and immersive and Evangelion is boring af. Bc you sound “dumb” I rated Evangelion and demon slayer the same score bc the both suffer on opposite sides of the spectrum they both need what the other has. I can analyze Evangelion all day in fact I loved the last two episodes but what’s the point when what I’m watching is boring, poorly executed and uninteresting? I could just read a mental wellness book and get more out of that. But idk kinda rambled there but that’s just my opinion
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minzera said:
Think about it, kids today will start with obscure stuff like Lain, LoTGH, Haibane Renmei, Monster, or Ergo Proxy from the bat duo to easy availability and word of mouth.

Then it's not obscure.
In fact, none of them are obscure, maybe Ergo Proxy.
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Elitism will always exist, no matter the medium.

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@ForgotEyeWasHere for someone who only got into anime in 2014 lol & prattles on about tourists & censorship ..u sure talk a good game....remember that the people who are into ecchi/hentai/loli crap are a small niche minority doubly so in the west

anime roots bread & butter is combat/adventure shonen & sci fi/mecha/cyber punk targeted at males, dont u ever fking forget that!.... you're the only tourist here who does'nt respect what came before them (which is ironically tourist behavior)


i fear the day there is no hardcore hardline elitism &/or gate-keeping in anime bc the medium would become a mediocre cesspit over-run with self insert perverted degen freaks, dont cry bc other people have standards.
@ItachiDeltaForce Anime was way back in the day. So many old series that became the blueprint. Even older when you trace it back to manga.

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minzera said:
Think about it, kids today will start with obscure stuff like Lain, LoTGH, Haibane Renmei, Monster, or Ergo Proxy from the bat duo to easy availability and word of mouth.

Then it's not obscure.
In fact, none of them are obscure, maybe Ergo Proxy.
@thewiru I'd go so far as to say pretty much anything with a dub excludes itself from being truly obscure haha. So LotGH would be the only one on the list which could be elligible, but it loses out as well for being one of the most referenced anime amongst people who want to point to a non-mainstream title that it has practically become a mid-stream name.
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I don't think it would ever go away.

But I don't interact with them so it doesn't really bother me.
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@thewiru I'd go so far as to say pretty much anything with a dub excludes itself from being truly obscure haha. So LotGH would be the only one on the list which could be elligible, but it loses out as well for being one of the most referenced anime amongst people who want to point to a non-mainstream title that it has practically become a mid-stream name.
valico said:
I'd go so far as to say pretty much anything with a dub excludes itself from being truly obscure haha.

You got me thinking about a hypothetical person who has stuff like Malice@Doll, Galerians: Rion, Ginga Ojousama Densetsu Yuna: Kanashimi no Siren and Figure 17: Tsubasa & Hikaru in their favorites, is regarded as an anime aficionado, but watched all of those dubbed from DVDs he bought at their local store.
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@RainyEvenings

There are many good pre-2010 anime, though. The 2000s was very keen on technical and narrative experiments. It's just the era when the rot started to fully set. The cute girls doing cute things fad really exploded then.
@sorcery Yeah, it's called blame the USA for openly smashing Japanese electronics on the White House lawn while ensuring restrictions on Japanese electronics transistors and business dealings before 1991 because they were too afraid to admit the faults of excessive corporatization of the country during the 1970s while the wannabe upper middle class sold out everyone's future for a real estate slush fund interest skimming scheme that burst into a massive recession causing flood into the 2000s.

I appreciate your enthusiasm for anime classics, but that so called golden age of anime was because of money and massive post World War II influence from the USA, as well as Year 2000 anticipation based futurism and the residual effects of a United States centric worldview and politically and culturally dominant position over the rest of the world. I know it's easy to blame the cute girls doing cute things, but at the same time, the world isn't the USA/west.

Also, various attempts of anime fans around the world outside of Japan wanting to make their own series is a most merited and worthy cause, especially if they wish to see things that they cannot find being made currently. All it takes is a pen, paper, various illustration mediums, lot of hard work, and an imagination. There's also rather unfortunate uphill battles and pitfalls from national and local factors that have impeded this.

Welcome to the changing world.
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@ForgotEyeWasHere for someone who only got into anime in 2014 lol & prattles on about tourists & censorship ..u sure talk a good game....remember that the people who are into ecchi/hentai/loli crap are a small niche minority doubly so in the west

anime roots bread & butter is combat/adventure shonen & sci fi/mecha/cyber punk targeted at males, dont u ever fking forget that!.... you're the only tourist here who does'nt respect what came before them (which is ironically tourist behavior)


i fear the day there is no hardcore hardline elitism &/or gate-keeping in anime bc the medium would become a mediocre cesspit over-run with self insert perverted degen freaks, dont cry bc other people have standards.
@ItachiDeltaForce Anime has its roots in Japan and its culture. As Japanese culture changes with time, so does anime. Over time, Japanese culture has typically gotten better, and so has anime. However, around 2016, anime studios decided to start aiming anime towards Westerners, neglected their Japanese viewers, and caused anime to decline in quality. In 2023, Onimai reminded the anime industry that Japanese viewers were most important, and many anime studios acknowledged this. Therefore, 2023 and 2024 were far better years for anime than 2016-2022. 2025 has been somewhat lackluster so far, but there are always bad years for anime here and there. It can still improve in 2026.

By the way, ever heard of Candy Candy or Mahoutsukai Sally? Of course you haven't. In fact, it seems that you've never watched any anime made before 1982. Stop talking about "anime roots" if you haven't watched anything from the very early days.
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@ItachiDeltaForce Anime has its roots in Japan and its culture. As Japanese culture changes with time, so does anime. Over time, Japanese culture has typically gotten better, and so has anime. However, around 2016, anime studios decided to start aiming anime towards Westerners, neglected their Japanese viewers, and caused anime to decline in quality. In 2023, Onimai reminded the anime industry that Japanese viewers were most important, and many anime studios acknowledged this. Therefore, 2023 and 2024 were far better years for anime than 2016-2022. 2025 has been somewhat lackluster so far, but there are always bad years for anime here and there. It can still improve in 2026.

By the way, ever heard of Candy Candy or Mahoutsukai Sally? Of course you haven't. In fact, it seems that you've never watched any anime made before 1982. Stop talking about "anime roots" if you haven't watched anything from the very early days.
@ForgotEyeWasHere ItachiDeltaForce is either such an unironic poser that never got why Naruto was shitshamed by diehard anime elitists back in the 2000s or is that clingy to 1990s USA anime boom nostalgia. He's the anime fan equivalent of oxymoronics like "conservative Jew" or "Uncle Tom Afro American".
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@ItachiDeltaForce Anime has its roots in Japan and its culture. As Japanese culture changes with time, so does anime. Over time, Japanese culture has typically gotten better, and so has anime. However, around 2016, anime studios decided to start aiming anime towards Westerners, neglected their Japanese viewers, and caused anime to decline in quality. In 2023, Onimai reminded the anime industry that Japanese viewers were most important, and many anime studios acknowledged this. Therefore, 2023 and 2024 were far better years for anime than 2016-2022. 2025 has been somewhat lackluster so far, but there are always bad years for anime here and there. It can still improve in 2026.

By the way, ever heard of Candy Candy or Mahoutsukai Sally? Of course you haven't. In fact, it seems that you've never watched any anime made before 1982. Stop talking about "anime roots" if you haven't watched anything from the very early days.
@ForgotEyeWasHere wrong.....i seen gundam 0079 back in the day which released in 1979, i just have'nt marked it complete here on mal.

tbh i dont like much pre 1984 anyways....so that is good enough for me

but my og statement still stands
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