| As a Frieren fan I am not only disheartened but disappointed after seeing the Crunchyroll Awards and the results have made me seriously reconsider how I view this anime. 99% of people were expecting Frieren to comfortably win multiple awards because it was the most celebrated anime of 2023 even by all the mainstream normoid slop outlets we all love to hate like Gigguk and Kotaku, yet it not only lost to some chinsese/korean IP (I forget which one Solo Leveling is) but swept across the blazing asphalt by it... I'm just wondering is this show just not as popular as one may have thought? Was it astroturfed all along? Other popular shonen like Jujutsu Kaisen and Attack on Titan didn't lose enough hype within a year to not dominate the awards, and Frieren was just as accessible as them while being the most broadly-targeting, all-inclusive anime ever created. Perhaps people generally like Frieren but it doesn't leave that strong of an impression? Help me out here bros... |
If I were you I wouldn't worry about such popularity contest in the first place. Does Frieren suddenly become mid just because it didn't win Crunchyroll award? Please ask yourself that. |
 (っ◔◡◔)っ 𝓘 𝔀𝓲𝓼𝓱 𝔂𝓸𝓾 𝓪𝓵𝓵 𝓱𝓪𝓿𝓮 𝓪 𝔀𝓸𝓷𝓭𝓮𝓻𝓯𝓾𝓵 𝓭𝓪𝔂 ♥ |
Rinrinka said: Does Frieren suddenly become mid just because it didn't win Crunchyroll award? Yes. The poor showing is making me retrospect on why I enjoyed it in the first place and I'm starting to believe most of the enjoyment was carried by hype as it was airing. |
| Exquisite false flag, but your alt needs to look more natural |
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Rinrinka said:
Does Frieren suddenly become mid just because it didn't win Crunchyroll award?
Does Frieren suddenly become mid just because it didn't win Crunchyroll award?
Yes. The poor showing is making me retrospect on why I enjoyed it in the first place and I'm starting to believe most of the enjoyment was carried by hype as it was airing.
| @FulmetalFanatic alright then "frieren fan" , in that case Bleach is mid too then because it didn't win. FMAB too :) |
(っ◔◡◔)っ 𝓘 𝔀𝓲𝓼𝓱 𝔂𝓸𝓾 𝓪𝓵𝓵 𝓱𝓪𝓿𝓮 𝓪 𝔀𝓸𝓷𝓭𝓮𝓻𝓯𝓾𝓵 𝓭𝓪𝔂 ♥ |
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Exquisite false flag, but your alt needs to look more natural
| @ThePhilosoph4 Not an alt man, I just don't use MAL but wanted to know what you bros had to say about these sentiments that I've seen being brought up elsewhere as well. Stop being fanatical. |
FulmetalFanatic said: @ThePhilosoph4 Not an alt man, I just don't use MAL but wanted to know what you bros had to say about these sentiments that I've seen being brought up elsewhere as well. Stop being fanatical. Then why are you here if you don't use MAL? You are just being weird with your alt acc at this point. |
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@FulmetalFanatic alright then "frieren fan" , in that case Bleach is mid too then because it didn't win. FMAB too :)
| @Rinrinka That's an ad personam and whataboutism |
| I know it's a obvious thing to say but... Why should Crunchyroll Award make you reconsider anything? We're all part of the anime community, but in the end watching anime is a personal experience. You watch, you like, you laugh or cry and you know the reason why. People downvoting, hyping, celebrating, bashing, overrating or crticizing doesn't necessarily mean you have to reconsider yourself. And anyway, a new shounen battle will soon wipe away the hype for the current one. Always been like that. Frieren will never suffer this fate, it's the kind of anime meant to last. So, why reconsider? |
| You're putting way too much importance to this award, dude^^ The Show IS popular. It just didn't win the Award you wanted it to win. It doesn't matter. |
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Rinrinka said:
Does Frieren suddenly become mid just because it didn't win Crunchyroll award?
Does Frieren suddenly become mid just because it didn't win Crunchyroll award?
Yes. The poor showing is making me retrospect on why I enjoyed it in the first place and I'm starting to believe most of the enjoyment was carried by hype as it was airing.
| @FulmetalFanatic Ouch. I personally really wouldn't want to admit that I am only capable of enjoying anything if there is some hype carrying it. That would paint one as extremely shallow. |
| The CR awards cater to the lowest common denominator (the mainstream), that’s why the 6 most popular series were in every category they could be in, why some series were in categories they don’t belong in, why the weakest Demon Slayer season won best continuing anime, and why Ninja Kamui won best original anime (it was the only original anime with almost mainstream appeal, it didn’t matter that it fell off a cliff. It’s the only one people voting for those awards recognized). Recency bias could play into it as well. It’s been a year and a half since Frieren started, and a year since it ended. Solo Leveling season 2 ended right before the voting opened up. It doesn’t matter that the voting was only for season 1, people voted for what was fresh on their minds. At the end of the day, it doesn’t really matter. Award shows like these can pretty much only be popularity awards, so it makes sense that the most popular series at the time wins their category (I do enjoy Solo Leveling myself btw, it just didn’t get my vote for anything). Solo Leveling had huge appeal, some of my friends that don’t really watch anime watched it and even voted for it in these awards. All we can do is appreciate what we like, and let others have their fun with stuff like this. You really shouldn’t be questioning if you liked something or not because it didn’t win an Inconsequential award a year and a half later. Giving you the benefit of the doubt you’re not trolling, which might be dumb but oh well. |
MusashiKarlsefniMay 26, 6:09 AM
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@FulmetalFanatic Ouch. I personally really wouldn't want to admit that I am only capable of enjoying anything if there is some hype carrying it. That would paint one as extremely shallow.
| @dunkelfalke ESL moment |
Reply to Blonde_Shogun
I know it's a obvious thing to say but... Why should Crunchyroll Award make you reconsider anything? We're all part of the anime community, but in the end watching anime is a personal experience. You watch, you like, you laugh or cry and you know the reason why. People downvoting, hyping, celebrating, bashing, overrating or crticizing doesn't necessarily mean you have to reconsider yourself.
And anyway, a new shounen battle will soon wipe away the hype for the current one. Always been like that. Frieren will never suffer this fate, it's the kind of anime meant to last. So, why reconsider?
And anyway, a new shounen battle will soon wipe away the hype for the current one. Always been like that. Frieren will never suffer this fate, it's the kind of anime meant to last. So, why reconsider?
| @Blonde_Shogun Frieren is a new battle shonen |
| Bait used to not be so believable, so good job, "frieren fan", made me read to the end. I didn't know that frieren won last year, because I didn't give as many shits as I don't now. If you go to a retard asylum you'll get all sorts of wacky opinions. What does that change? If you dangle a perfectly cooked 200 gram wagyuu steak and a triple whopper with fries in front of a fat dumb ass, the fact that he picks the burger means nothing other than he tastes with his gluttonous stomach rather than with his tongue. |
FulmetalFanatic said: Perhaps people generally like Frieren but it doesn't leave that strong of an impression? It did, but it has been over a year since it finished airing, so the hype already decreased a lot, whereas Solo Leveling hype is still high from S2 this year. |
*kappa* |
Rinrinka said: If I were you I wouldn't worry about such popularity contest in the first place. Does Frieren suddenly become mid just because it didn't win Crunchyroll award? Please ask yourself that. very cute and very simple👍🏻 |
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I feel like seasoned anime fans don’t really care about the CR awards, especially as of the last few years. Popular shounen will always do well, as it appeals to a wide array of people. Shows that are slower paced and require more attention definitely aren’t going to be as popular. I think Frieren did really well at several other anime award shows, where I think there’s more importance placed on anime in a critical lens vs a popular one.
Even look at Jin-Woo winning best character over Maomao, it’s a freaking joke. He has no character growth and is bland as hell. But just more evidence that you shouldn’t let these awards skew how you feel about a show
Even look at Jin-Woo winning best character over Maomao, it’s a freaking joke. He has no character growth and is bland as hell. But just more evidence that you shouldn’t let these awards skew how you feel about a show
| @rwhip81 Frieren can be called a popular shonen as well except by walking a very fine line it also appeals to isekai fans, iyashikei fans, moe gooners and lolicons all at the same time--it's essentially a moe native isekai battle shonen with iyashikei characteristics (that's why it didn't get downvoted to oblivion as #1 like everything before it because it offended the least amount of people possible while being at the top). Which is why I'm surprised Solo Leveling crushed it. Especially because even aside from Frieren's way bigger casting net I thought it was just a more popular anime in general but I guess not? |
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Bait used to not be so believable, so good job, "frieren fan", made me read to the end.
I didn't know that frieren won last year, because I didn't give as many shits as I don't now. If you go to a retard asylum you'll get all sorts of wacky opinions. What does that change?
If you dangle a perfectly cooked 200 gram wagyuu steak and a triple whopper with fries in front of a fat dumb ass, the fact that he picks the burger means nothing other than he tastes with his gluttonous stomach rather than with his tongue.
I didn't know that frieren won last year, because I didn't give as many shits as I don't now. If you go to a retard asylum you'll get all sorts of wacky opinions. What does that change?
If you dangle a perfectly cooked 200 gram wagyuu steak and a triple whopper with fries in front of a fat dumb ass, the fact that he picks the burger means nothing other than he tastes with his gluttonous stomach rather than with his tongue.
| @IhnalakoKaina Do you have a source (preferably academic) for the fat dumbass picking the triple whopper with fries over the perfectly cooked 200 gram wagyuu steak? |
FulmetalFanatic said: @IhnalakoKaina Do you have a source (preferably academic) for the fat dumbass picking the triple whopper with fries over the perfectly cooked 200 gram wagyuu steak? oh, my bad. I made a hypothetical claim that a hypothetical fat and dumb person would pick the food with more volume rather than the one with better taste, since they care more about what they feel in their stomach than what they feel in their tongue. Maybe you don't know what an allegory is. If your question is a roundabout way of saying that such a thing would never happen, then just know that you're wrong. Stupider things have been done by stupider people. I don't need a fucking scientific paper to know that. My point, in case you missed it, is that people who think solo leveling is anything other than a polished ball of shit have no taste and only understand superficial gratification. Frieren won before because it is also a very polished ball, but unlike solo leveling, it is made of gold and not crap. Am I going too fast? Did you get that all? Are you going to ask for an "academic research" on balls of shit? |
| Why are people making weird theory because this lost a popularity contest. NO Frieren is one of the most impactful anime I have ever watched and if you think its flavors run off or you forget about it you probably didn't like it. Is it really that hard to understand the people who votes for these didn't watch every anime like most of here so. I can say atleast 30-40% just watched SL and voted for it that's why it also got some absurd awards like mc,ED, Score. Because people didn't watch anything else. They saw it and clicked. Same thing with Ninja Kum that's the only one most of voters watched so even if it's shit and no buisness being any where near of GBC it still won. And don't blame these dumb people. That's happens everywhere. How to counter it judges vote who watch everything and have more neutral look. And their say mainly determines it. But these award the neckbeards who are judges also belongs in same catagory as average voter. And average Shounenterd. So ofc it's never gonna win. Be realistic don't undermine greatness because it lost some clone show. |
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FulmetalFanatic said:
@IhnalakoKaina Do you have a source (preferably academic) for the fat dumbass picking the triple whopper with fries over the perfectly cooked 200 gram wagyuu steak?
@IhnalakoKaina Do you have a source (preferably academic) for the fat dumbass picking the triple whopper with fries over the perfectly cooked 200 gram wagyuu steak?
oh, my bad. I made a hypothetical claim that a hypothetical fat and dumb person would pick the food with more volume rather than the one with better taste, since they care more about what they feel in their stomach than what they feel in their tongue. Maybe you don't know what an allegory is.
If your question is a roundabout way of saying that such a thing would never happen, then just know that you're wrong. Stupider things have been done by stupider people. I don't need a fucking scientific paper to know that.
My point, in case you missed it, is that people who think solo leveling is anything other than a polished ball of shit have no taste and only understand superficial gratification. Frieren won before because it is also a very polished ball, but unlike solo leveling, it is made of gold and not crap. Am I going too fast? Did you get that all? Are you going to ask for an "academic research" on balls of shit?
| @IhnalakoKaina Not so fast. The fat dumbass picking the triple whopper with fries over the perfectly cooked 200 gram wagyuu steak is not an a priori, thus I'm going to ask you again to provide empirical evidence for your supposed fact. Instead you're going off on another rather embarrassing tangent right now. No source? |
| The voting process happened during Solo Levelling season 2 airing. As ridiculous as it sounds, since it's way too late for the awards, that's what happened, and the "hype" around the episodes' actions made many peoples vote for season 1 of SL, despite the fact that S1 was nowhere near as hyped by the same peoples 1 year prior when it aired. What you're witnessing here, is a combination or recency bias with sheer brain dead brigade voting (how in the hell did SJW won against Maomao in best protagonist otherwise lmao), and the fact that Crunchyroll's jury is probably one of the least "seasoned" jury of any "X of the year awards" event out there. It's honestly dubious that most of the jury even watched half of the shows that were in the nominations. So, even worse than this being a problem due to being a popularity vote, the JURY is an even bigger problem in this case. I honestly suspect that some jury members regularly had only seen Solo Levelling among the list of nominated for some awards. And those problems aren't new at all. It's been the case for many years for those CR awards. they're literally worthless due to those many problems, and I don't think CR care enough to fix the problems, so the best thing you can do is completely ignore that crap. Like, genuinely, MAL rating are a way better way to judge what is good in a season. Which is wild considering how some anime are rated around here. But I'll take those ratings above CR's jury ratings any day. |
ZefyrisMay 26, 11:09 AM
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FulmetalFanatic said: @IhnalakoKaina Not so fast. The fat dumbass picking the triple whopper with fries over the perfectly cooked 200 gram wagyuu steak is not an a priori, thus I'm going to ask you again to provide empirical evidence for your supposed fact. Instead you're going off on another rather embarrassing tangent right now. No source? I'm not saying that it is common sense bud, I don't know how many people in the world would be so gluttonous that they would pick to sate their hunger rather than their taste, but I know that they do exist. But sure, ya gat me. I don't know of a study that would demonstrate the existence of such people and their tendencies. But one thing is for sure, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, I'm not admitting that it doesn't exist. Even if you don't wanna take anecdotes as proof that people make stupid choices, if you're playing the logical guy, unless you have a study of your own to disprove me... I didn't know that you needed to provide scientific proof for any point that you made on a MAL forum to begin with, much less for an abstract metaphor. In trying to make me come off as unintelligent, you just show how pedantic and selective you are in your logic. And you are not even addressing the actual point, which is that sl is a well presented plate of shit that would bore anyone looking for something other than flashy visuals and vain (not even that good) fantasy fulfillment to death. A story that owes all of its fame to one single superficial aspect of it. It sates the eyes, but not the mind. Therefore, the king combo vs the steak analogy. |
Rinrinka said: If I were you I wouldn't worry about such popularity contest in the first place. Does Frieren suddenly become mid just because it didn't win Crunchyroll award? Please ask yourself that. Hahaha....So True |
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