| https://x.com/catsuka/status/1923391393151471841 Toei Animation wants to use AI for storyboards, animation & color corrections, inbetweens, and backgrounds (generated from photos) = Thoughts? |
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| Ai in general has been used way before 2024 the problem I have is generative ai. It’s disappointing to see how fast it’s been implemented everywhere |
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| toei animation will make much heavier use of ai in its productions Zarutaku said: I approve of it as long as the outcome will be worthwhile like Twins Hinahima. It will become more common anyway, because it's more profitable, so haters gotta cope. |
ZarutakuMay 17, 7:35 AM
| Yeah, so what ? I always says embrace progress because it will come regardless of people liking it or not, and anime using AI now is no different to anime using digital tools during the early 2000s. |
| I'm fine with the other three using AI since they can be tedious work but backgrounds should actually have effort put into them, even using stock photography is soulless let alone AI generated. |
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| Isn't Toei one of the rare workplaces that has a labor union? What is the response from that side? |
Reply to tchitchouan
Yeah, so what ?
I always says embrace progress because it will come regardless of people liking it or not, and anime using AI now is no different to anime using digital tools during the early 2000s.
I always says embrace progress because it will come regardless of people liking it or not, and anime using AI now is no different to anime using digital tools during the early 2000s.
| @tchitchouan Correct me if I'm wrong, but was it not still humans directly using said digital tools? There's the difference. |
| if it turns out a good product, nice, the starving artists and stuff are even more starving haha but ai will replace us in everything... they even got duolingo I think we just need everyone to have free money when ai works all our damn jerbs |
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Reply to Zarutaku
toei animation will make much heavier use of ai in its productions
Zarutaku said:
I approve of it as long as the outcome will be worthwhile like Twins Hinahima.
It will become more common anyway, because it's more profitable, so haters gotta cope.
I approve of it as long as the outcome will be worthwhile like Twins Hinahima.
It will become more common anyway, because it's more profitable, so haters gotta cope.
| @Zarutaku That title shows they already have been using ai, and now plan to use it more. I am not too surprised by this news. I would not be surprised of many of these light novels adapted into anime use ai. |
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| animators can't catch a break. their work situation was already awful and now it will just become worse. only high level animators will be required by the industries as these background tasks will be taken care off my AI which could maybe mean these animators will start getting respected and their pay might increase. dunno though i don't really know what i'm talking about but it's not a threat to anime at this stage as key animation and all will still be handled by professionals so we shouldn't expect a drop in quality. it's bad when they start using gen AI to completely create whole sequences. i'm thinking we might get better quality because of the use of AI as it will potentially reduce workload and manual labour and even maybe budget could be allocated more efficiently. who knows we might see fewer fillers and recaps in between seasons. |
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@tchitchouan Correct me if I'm wrong, but was it not still humans directly using said digital tools? There's the difference.
| @FanofAction Yes, humans are also the ones ordering the AI to generate art, they're just not making it directly, they're making it indirectly. The AI model just like the digital tools, it does nothing without human input, sure tools are more difficult and involved and complex requiring knowledge, know-how and creativity whereas the AI only needs verbal prompts and it does the rest on its own. |
| Well it is obvious that they will, one way or another, if someone is surprised by that than I don't know what that someone was thinking or hoping for, it is the same as acting for being surprised that in game industry it is being used, in movies/tv shows too, a new tool will always being used. |
Reply to tchitchouan
@FanofAction Yes, humans are also the ones ordering the AI to generate art, they're just not making it directly, they're making it indirectly.
The AI model just like the digital tools, it does nothing without human input, sure tools are more difficult and involved and complex requiring knowledge, know-how and creativity whereas the AI only needs verbal prompts and it does the rest on its own.
The AI model just like the digital tools, it does nothing without human input, sure tools are more difficult and involved and complex requiring knowledge, know-how and creativity whereas the AI only needs verbal prompts and it does the rest on its own.
| @tchitchouan Yes...But as far as I know, at least at the moment, AI can't do that without pulling from preexisting sources. It can't make anything original. At least not yet. Unless there's something I'm not aware of. |
| What the one thread about this exact same thing wasn't good enough? |
Reply to FanofAction
@tchitchouan Yes...But as far as I know, at least at the moment, AI can't do that without pulling from preexisting sources. It can't make anything original. At least not yet. Unless there's something I'm not aware of.
| @FanofAction Yes that's accurate, AI can't make something out of nothing it has to be trained on images and natural language, that both can be found easily on the internet, the problem is when it's trained on someone's particular artstyle or literary style, making the original artist's art somewhat redundant, even though it needed it to train. It's like a worse quality copy which replaces the original that it needed it to train on, because it's more accessible and legally distinct (so far). |
Reply to tchitchouan
@FanofAction Yes that's accurate, AI can't make something out of nothing it has to be trained on images and natural language, that both can be found easily on the internet, the problem is when it's trained on someone's particular artstyle or literary style, making the original artist's art somewhat redundant, even though it needed it to train. It's like a worse quality copy which replaces the original that it needed it to train on, because it's more accessible and legally distinct (so far).
| @tchitchouan And there's my main issue. Since it can't create something from nothing, it can't technically have it's own style. The one thing that makes each series special. Whether it trains off a specific well know style or not is kinda irrelevant in that sense. |
Reply to FanofAction
@tchitchouan And there's my main issue. Since it can't create something from nothing, it can't technically have it's own style. The one thing that makes each series special. Whether it trains off a specific well know style or not is kinda irrelevant in that sense.
| @FanofAction -Yes that's correct. |
| Surprised? No, not at all. Just another common Toei L. How the fuck "AI" supposed to be useful in the storyboard process? Generating random garbage? In theory you could make some "ethical" use of "AI" in animation, but we just know they're gonna be using it to cut costs. Yeah, the classic, a multi-million dollar company that seeks to cut costs instead of investing in better working conditions for its employees. Lol. LMFAO, even. And anyone who keeps comparing the use of this to CGI is completely insane. It's not the same thing. |
MarusaruMaiaMay 16, 4:10 PM
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| It's the anime downfall and I'm ALL for it. Let this shit industry burn to ashes. |
Reply to FanofAction
@tchitchouan And there's my main issue. Since it can't create something from nothing, it can't technically have it's own style. The one thing that makes each series special. Whether it trains off a specific well know style or not is kinda irrelevant in that sense.
| @FanofAction FanofAction said: Since it can't create something from nothing No one can create something from nothing. FanofAction said: it can't technically have it's own style 99% of artists don't have "their own style TM", especially when we talk about anime studios which basically copy or adapt the style from manga or light novel. |
| These are purely technical tasks best left to the computer. I'd be surprised AI starts from scratch for it, it must be a mere upgrade from tasks already semi-automatized. So, no there's hardly any ethical problems on those specific tasks. The only sad part is the background generated from photos. It's always been an obscure yet needed job for animating teams. Maybe they're having trouble finding actual people passionate about background. Also, it's a true and harsh reality the industry can't afford too many costs, so that craft is bound to disappear even further. |
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| God bless toei animation. this is the future of animation,this could be a game-changer for anime production, |
Reply to Lawgun
@FanofAction
No one can create something from nothing.
99% of artists don't have "their own style TM", especially when we talk about anime studios which basically copy or adapt the style from manga or light novel.
FanofAction said:
Since it can't create something from nothing
Since it can't create something from nothing
No one can create something from nothing.
FanofAction said:
it can't technically have it's own style
it can't technically have it's own style
99% of artists don't have "their own style TM", especially when we talk about anime studios which basically copy or adapt the style from manga or light novel.
| @Lawgun You know what I meant when I brought up creating something from nothing...As for that second bit...How is that an argument? Of course an anime studio is going to copy or adapt the style of the source material. Kinda missing the point there. Not exactly the same as generating backgrounds from images. |
FanofActionMay 16, 6:31 PM
| I sure do love seeing the soul sucked out of art and being replaced by pure slop, totally will make the show 100000000000000000000000x better /s |
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| And? Things change, buddy. Better to get used to it. |
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@Lawgun You know what I meant when I brought up creating something from nothing...As for that second bit...How is that an argument? Of course an anime studio is going to copy or adapt the style of the source material. Kinda missing the point there. Not exactly the same as generating backgrounds from images.
| @FanofAction FanofAction said: You know what I meant when I brought up creating something from nothing... No, I don't. People copy from each other and from the nature itself for centuries. Nobody ever did a thing from absolutely nothing. All fantasy we have for example is an adaptation of reality through altering of everyday life's view (what is only slightly better than when AI generating images through image-to-image method). FanofAction said: Of course an anime studio is going to copy or adapt the style of the source material. Kinda missing the point there. The point is anime studios use author's style instead of developing their own. It's pretty rare nowadays for studios to make their own original anime with their own style and this is how usage of AI won't change a thing since we are already living in times of anime which look almost the same despite genre or theme. |
| Anime production is starting to use AI technology in various ways to improve and speed up the creative process. AI tools can help with tasks like in-between animation, coloring, background generation, and even editing. This means studios can save time on repetitive work and focus more on the artistic and storytelling parts. However, while AI can make production more efficient, it’s still important to have human artists guiding the vision. Anime is all about creativity, emotion, and style, which AI can’t fully replicate yet. Some fans worry that too much AI might make anime feel less personal or lose its unique touch. Overall, AI is becoming a helpful tool in the anime industry, but it’s unlikely to replace the talented artists and animators who bring stories to life anytime soon. It’s more like a new assistant that can handle the boring stuff while humans keep the soul of anime alive. so, yeah ,thats fine |
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I'm fine with the other three using AI since they can be tedious work but backgrounds should actually have effort put into them, even using stock photography is soulless let alone AI generated.
| @Lost_Viking Storyboard is probably the most important step, delegating to AI is a TERRIBLE idea. Like holy-crap-it's-really-bad levels of bad. There's a reason why storyboard is usually handled by the most competent and creative animators. AI storyboards is going to make every generic, boring anime even more generic and boring. At least I trust Trigger will stick to making good anime for a while and won't go the AI slop route. |
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| All AI can do is steal. I don’t wanna imagine the horrendous images they will generate for the storyboards, as Deathko mentioned. I hate how the industry would rather use cheap tricks like AI instead of improving living wages and working conditions for animators. |
| @_Mazino that single comment on the video sums up this shit pretty well lmao |
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