Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
| Re:zero takes a very extremist approach with the sin archbishops, they're practically ideas rather than realistic depictions of a human. Their worldviews are utterly distorted beyond repair, to the point where it becomes complete insanity. They're also meant to show parallels with subaru's character and the flaws of certain ways of thinking. Regulus for example talks about how he wants to be treated fairly and have his rights respected, because all people deserve to have their rights respected, but he's extraordinarily hypocritical in that he just needs one little reason, one excuse that you violated his rights somehow, to blow you off the face of the earth. If you question him as to whether he has the right to do that, he'll probably just kill you too. There's a lot of nuance and irony in their characters that the anime can't really make clear because of time constraints, and some characters will make more sense in the future. I don't want to spoil anything. I'm both invested in their characters, but also believe their main purpose is simply in the comparisons that can be drawn with them and subaru. |
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| I guess overall yes, though I don't consider any of them to be a great antagonist. Regulus and Sirius have an entertaining personality, while I found Cappella's speech in episode 5 to be pretty interesting. I do hold expectations for them, but for now... |
Reply to Oni_Zokuchou
mohamedo_abuduru said:
Re:zero takes a very extremist approach with the sin archbishops, they're practically ideas rather than realistic depictions of a human. Their worldviews are utterly distorted beyond repair, to the point where it becomes complete insanity. They're also meant to show parallels with subaru's character and the flaws of certain ways of thinking. Regulus for example talks about how he wants to be treated fairly and have his rights respected, because all people deserve to have their rights respected, but he's extraordinarily hypocritical in that he just needs one little reason, one excuse that you violated his rights somehow, to blow you off the face of the earth. If you question him as to whether he has the right to do that, he'll probably just kill you too. There's a lot of nuance and irony in their characters that the anime can't really make clear because of time constraints, and some characters will make more sense in the future. I don't want to spoil anything. I'm both invested in their characters, but also believe their main purpose is simply in the comparisons that can be drawn with them and subaru.
Re:zero takes a very extremist approach with the sin archbishops, they're practically ideas rather than realistic depictions of a human. Their worldviews are utterly distorted beyond repair, to the point where it becomes complete insanity. They're also meant to show parallels with subaru's character and the flaws of certain ways of thinking. Regulus for example talks about how he wants to be treated fairly and have his rights respected, because all people deserve to have their rights respected, but he's extraordinarily hypocritical in that he just needs one little reason, one excuse that you violated his rights somehow, to blow you off the face of the earth. If you question him as to whether he has the right to do that, he'll probably just kill you too. There's a lot of nuance and irony in their characters that the anime can't really make clear because of time constraints, and some characters will make more sense in the future. I don't want to spoil anything. I'm both invested in their characters, but also believe their main purpose is simply in the comparisons that can be drawn with them and subaru.
Ah, I see. Sounds to me like they just aren't my type of thing then. I think they've gone a bit too far in the contrasting subaru angle because now nothing they ever do seems like a decent challenge to his character or his mindset because they're so far off the deep end that whatever opposes them is correct by default.
That's a shame, the core concept of ReZero is so interesting and Subaru is a very compelling lead (even if Emilia isn't) so it bums me out that I won't really like the antagonists either π
| @Oni_Zokuchou it's worth noting not all the antagonists are the sin archbishops. there's a character in arc 7 who's considered one of if not the best antagonist, and he's just some random guy unaffiliated with the witch cult. roswaal is effectively an antagonist as well, and he's not quite as unhinged as the sin archbishops. not all the archbishops are like how we're describing them either, it's a bit of a spoiler but one of them is more reserved and sane than the rest and they're my second favorite. Also, like another guy said, we thought petelgeuse was just some maniac at first, and then after season 2 his character becomes 10x better and completely recontextualizes all of what we saw of him in s1. Some of them like sirius and capella may just need more screen time and a backstory to become peak. |
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| I personally prefer grey antagonists so Echidna and Roswaal are still the best antagonists Re:Zero could offer to me. I like how Echidna lulled Subaru into a false sense of companionship to manipulate him into thinking "the end justifies the means" so she could satisfy her greed for knowledge. Her trials were a creative way to give many characters their moments of self-reflection and determination to embrace challenges in uncertain future while also letting Echidna (& audiences) learn about their past instead of just flashbacks. I was mind-blown by the fact that most of the events in 2 seasons were orchestrated by Roswaal from the very first episode just to test Subaru and mould him into his mindset. It becomes so obvious when you rewatch ss1. Dude is a crazy schemer and so tunneled-visioned that he was ready to sacrifice everyone even himself so that his other self in other timelines could succeed. Frankly I haven't seen such a unique antagonist. Echidna and Roswaal were basically twisted versions of Subaru's parents. Now as for the Archbishops, they are straight-up villains, evil for the sake of being evil. I know they were purposefully written that way for this arc so the audiences collectively hate them without a second thought and wholeheartedly root for Subaru to destroy them. But most of the Archbishops are annoying af rn I couldn't care less what they were blabbering on about, except Regulus and maybe Capella. Regulus's yappings, his narcissism, his greed for rights and parallel to ss1 Subaru are at least entertaining. And Capella posed a rather interesting topic about whether one's love for another was just driven by lust. Pandora is seemingly gonna be the final antagonist of the whole series but there isn't much to think about her besides her alien & sociopathic personality. |
newluminousNov 19, 4:00 PM
| I always thought Antagonist and villian type characters are one of the weakest part of Re zero. Echidna is probably the only antagonist type character that I found interesting in the series. |
| I Don't like Gluttony. But only because of his character design. |
| the only one i dont like so far is the gluttony brothers, rest make sense for me |
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| These antagonists are cultists. They are intended to be annoying. Even the author admitted that his goal was to make them as scummy as possible. So, it's... working? Also you are only in ep 3... |
| "All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo |
| I think they are entertaining by how over the top evil they are, but this might get overbearing eventually, so I'd prefer to have them is rather small doses. |
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| I think they are one of the reasons why Re:Zero is peak. |
| not a single compelling thing about any of them and their dialogue is as bad as their designs. i'm also waiting for them to die soon to get past this annoying experience. |
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