Can someone explain why JJK & Demon Slayer get such high praise?

@Phosphophyllita because the action is the strongest aspect of jjk, and shibuya has some of the strongest action in the series.

It's beloved for the same reason redline is beloved. Bonkers, incredible, nail biting, high octane, high stake, creative and exciting eye candy.

@APolygons2

Comparing Redline to JJK is crazy, one is a unique piece of art and a marvel of animation, which manages to present interesting characters and nail-biting plot in less than 2 hours, and the other is flavor of the month shonen series with some chromatic abberation and alright fight choreography (=good animation nowadays)

I may exaggerate a bit tho :P

@Surox

JJK's animation and action, is by tv standards, one of the best.

The thing is that good action isn't just the choreography, or just the animation. Writing a fight is an art all on it's own, and jjk is one of the best at it.

Redline has a simple plot, and I would say both it's characters and plot are even more basic than jjk. but it works. The point is the race, and how cool that damn race is.

That's also 90% of what makes jjk good. Just compare every demon slayer fight to other demon slayer fights. And then look at how incredibly well thought out, diverse, and stylish the fights in jjk are, not just in terms of animation, but also, setting, idea, and execution.

The issue is that, jjk IS ultimately a battle shounen, with battle shounen tropes. So if you are someone who looks at shows like it in a bubble, you'll miss it's strengths.

these flavour of the month shounens, do have incredible strengths from time to time.

JJK DOES have some of the best fight scenes out there, and it's not just because of the animation.

Demon slayer does have an absolutely increadible soundtrack, one of yuki's strongest ones in fact (though my favourite work from her is easily madoka)

My hero academia has some extremely strong characters and moments along side the weaker aspects


A lot of the people who get into watching more anime, get to a point, where they fail to see what made the more ""basic"" titles great. The appeal of shibuya is extremely similar to the appeal of redline if you look at it with the right perspective.

@APolygons2 mha isn't fotm it has been popular for 8 years and will never be forgotten.

@Surox

JJK's animation and action, is by tv standards, one of the best.

The thing is that good action isn't just the choreography, or just the animation. Writing a fight is an art all on it's own, and jjk is one of the best at it.

Redline has a simple plot, and I would say both it's characters and plot are even more basic than jjk. but it works. The point is the race, and how cool that damn race is.

That's also 90% of what makes jjk good. Just compare every demon slayer fight to other demon slayer fights. And then look at how incredibly well thought out, diverse, and stylish the fights in jjk are, not just in terms of animation, but also, setting, idea, and execution.

The issue is that, jjk IS ultimately a battle shounen, with battle shounen tropes. So if you are someone who looks at shows like it in a bubble, you'll miss it's strengths.

these flavour of the month shounens, do have incredible strengths from time to time.

JJK DOES have some of the best fight scenes out there, and it's not just because of the animation.

Demon slayer does have an absolutely increadible soundtrack, one of yuki's strongest ones in fact (though my favourite work from her is easily madoka)

My hero academia has some extremely strong characters and moments along side the weaker aspects


A lot of the people who get into watching more anime, get to a point, where they fail to see what made the more ""basic"" titles great. The appeal of shibuya is extremely similar to the appeal of redline if you look at it with the right perspective.

@APolygons2

The crazy thing is, I've enjoyed most battle shounens I've watched. The new bleach TV adaptation is the same formula, yet I still enjoy it. I could cite many examples of shonens I liked in the past (aot, hxh, one piece manga, etc.) but a recent example would be chainsaw man (watched it a month or two ago).

Chainsaw man, also produced by MAPPA iirc, has the same "cinematic" animation style and good fight choreography.
It is also a "flavor of the month" shonen plot-wise.

However, I enjoyed watching it much more than JJK and Demon Slayer (gave it a 7 I think). Why? The characters are actually interesting and have a bit of depth beyond the "Im super strong" or "Im weak but will get better through sheer will to save my family" templates we usually get.

So it's not a matter of me "looking down" on shonen. I will happily watch a show filled with tropes if it has an interesting or entertaining element to it. JJK and Demon Slayer failed in that regards, which why I was surprised by the high praise they get.

“Why do people like stuff I don't?”
Such a dumb thread.

People have different tastes; a lot of people like X stuff, so it becomes popular and highly praised. It's that simple. Are you going to make a thread asking this each time you have a deviating opinion on a highly praised show?

If you want to understand why people like it, then read positive reviews of it.

@Paul mha rarely has action it's mostly plot relevant slice of life.

demon slayer is pretty obvious. its fun entertainment. idk about jjk though. season 1 was great. season 2 was garbage. didn't enjoy it at all. im assuming the good ratings were just given by manga fan-boys. i refuse to believe there are anime-onlies who genuinely enjoyed season 2.

There are anime onlies that literally think it's peak, you may be surprised to learn how much explosions can carry a series.

Cause they're adaptions of shounen jump manga, have plenty of action and got extra points for having good visuals on top of that. That's enough to appeal to the average anime watcher. Even with the JJK2 animator situation, it still looked better than the majority of shows out there. Another show you're missing is My Hero Academia which is the exact same category.

Short answer, you're likely not the target audience.

@Surox

JJK's animation and action, is by tv standards, one of the best.

The thing is that good action isn't just the choreography, or just the animation. Writing a fight is an art all on it's own, and jjk is one of the best at it.

Redline has a simple plot, and I would say both it's characters and plot are even more basic than jjk. but it works. The point is the race, and how cool that damn race is.

That's also 90% of what makes jjk good. Just compare every demon slayer fight to other demon slayer fights. And then look at how incredibly well thought out, diverse, and stylish the fights in jjk are, not just in terms of animation, but also, setting, idea, and execution.

The issue is that, jjk IS ultimately a battle shounen, with battle shounen tropes. So if you are someone who looks at shows like it in a bubble, you'll miss it's strengths.

these flavour of the month shounens, do have incredible strengths from time to time.

JJK DOES have some of the best fight scenes out there, and it's not just because of the animation.

Demon slayer does have an absolutely increadible soundtrack, one of yuki's strongest ones in fact (though my favourite work from her is easily madoka)

My hero academia has some extremely strong characters and moments along side the weaker aspects


A lot of the people who get into watching more anime, get to a point, where they fail to see what made the more ""basic"" titles great. The appeal of shibuya is extremely similar to the appeal of redline if you look at it with the right perspective.

I fully empathize the need to understand the utterly bullshit whims of anime fandom.
I myself attempted to do it with one even more highly rated- I watched Frieren for exactly the same reasons. And I am also rating it the same, between 4 and 5 maximum. And I am no closer to understanding the praise- in fact I'm EVEN MORE CONFUSED than before I started because the show was utterly inane, unengaging, overladen with flat dialogue; boring, unimaginative, extremely generic and utterly unfulfilling.

The worst thing is that, it's not actually a terrible show, it's just not very good. And yet The Collective of Gen Z decided it was the Bestest Evar ... and when I argue with people about it it just goes off the rails.

For Demon Slayer, I actually gave it a 7 and liked it a lot more. It didn't seem generic only because; well there aren't THAT many Taisho-era (1900s) traditional Japan fantasy with katanas are there? There are some- but it's not like a flood of them (like it is with medieval fantasies with elves and dwarves etc)
But the generic Shonen tropes are there. Probably I just didn't watch enough shonens to get sick of that stuff. And people praise the emotional pull it has, with Nezuko and the hero needing to have a gentler side- that's compelling; also people praise the animation and art style (and they are correct- it looks fantastic)

Don't try to understand The Crowd though, you'll go mad.

demon slayer is pretty obvious. its fun entertainment. idk about jjk though. season 1 was great. season 2 was garbage. didn't enjoy it at all. im assuming the good ratings were just given by manga fan-boys. i refuse to believe there are anime-onlies who genuinely enjoyed season 2.

@SuperAdventure demon slayer art style isn't fantastic, it's just not bad
Although All faces are the same.

When you say fantastic artstyle you should say Prison school,the garden of sinners,vampire d hunter, hellsing ultimate, attack on titan s1-s3 and...

I just a little look your list
And I somehow disappointed at you

You rated fate zero 8/10 and fate stay night 10/10

That's unlike of what you said

Fate zero is better than stay night almost in every term

With amazing well written characters and godly plots and dialogs

But stay night it just have amazing animation and fights although is way better than demon slayer and characters are good

But compare to fate zero is just childish play

I'm not speaking of visual novel and just anime.

@Paul I still havent watched JKK or Demon Slayer, my all time favorite animes are Naruto, Bleach etc i feel back then, they were in the same "category" of ratings, its easy for young people to like it. Dont get me wrong, they are great to me, specially for the time. But alot its typical shounen. Those were the animes (despite being a "anime" fan all my life, despite not knowing what is anime) that made me concious what is anime and become a "fan" of the form of media. I feel like those are the Naruto and Bleach of our time (i would say what the big 3 did back then, was more impressive, every week a new episode and not stopping for seasons like current anime).

This is why, when some years ago, with all the hype, i started to watch My Hero, i was like "is that it?" i saw first season and the movie and it was... Good or Oka but its not something "out of this world" specially for older people like me. When i saw it i was already "old" a full adult. There are some great moments that made me hyped, enjoyed the soundtrack. But it didnt felt like somehting completely new or that was that good. Specially for someone who watched Naruto back then. I didnt feel it brought that much of something new. Maybe its just my age at the moment.

I feel like maybe the animes OP is talking, is kinda the same. I havent watched it, i plan to watch one day JKK, Demon Slayer but with what you just said and my experience with My Hero, i feel i will like it, but not like i liked Naruto back then, because well... I was younger and watched less shows. Despite that, i still also plan one day to watch My Hero, but today i have responsabilities and less time so, i will take my time.

@Zero01guard It's great that you have a different opinion and opinions are welcome; but Ufotable (who makes Demon Slayer) is held in very high regard; and Demon Slayer looks fantastic

Prison School LOLOL no. Garden of sinners is a movie; so rather than compare a feature film that didn't have deadlines to meet against a weekly show; you might compare it to one of Ufotable's efforts on a movie (such as Heaven's Feel)
I've watch two seasons of Demon Slayer and it is a very good looking show.

@Zero01guard

Fate/Zero has quite literally the worst first episode of any media series I ever watched. It was my introduction to the Fate series, and I almost never got into it because of that. I then read the visual novel, which I loved, and it prompted me to check out F/SN. That's why I don't rate it as highly.

@Zero01guard

Fate/Zero has quite literally the worst first episode of any media series I ever watched. It was my introduction to the Fate series, and I almost never got into it because of that. I then read the visual novel, which I loved, and it prompted me to check out F/SN. That's why I don't rate it as highly.

@SuperAdventure bro in term of just art style not animation or visual

We all know demon slayer animation and visual are fantastic but art style is just good and compare it to those anime I named Demon slayer is just so bad

Prison school art style, vampire d hunter, hellsing and other have so detail and realistic artstyle.

And even compare it to other ufotable works

It's obviously the worse, fate series and garden of sinners are something else

@Zero01guard

Fate/Zero has quite literally the worst first episode of any media series I ever watched. It was my introduction to the Fate series, and I almost never got into it because of that. I then read the visual novel, which I loved, and it prompted me to check out F/SN. That's why I don't rate it as highly.

@Surox Not to pick on you but I was intrigued when you say it has the worst first episode ever... I think it's the one where Father Risei and Tokiyumi Tohsaka walk in a big circle around Kirei is that what you were thinking of?
That scene is kind of silly (but also kind of badass), but worst opening episode?
It sets a stage, you learn about the relationships between all the characters. I still walk around my condo saying "Ahh well you have sharp ears" in a gravelly voice (Zouken Matou) when I remember it. I've never heard anyone say that was a bad episode. The ones I thought were bad was when they were killing children. That's just not something I can support, so those episode made me angry. Not the first one that's more of a 'build hype' episode...

@SuperAdventure

From the perspective of a guy who knew jack shit about Fate, I started the episode only to watch two guys I didn't know talk about random stuff I didn't understand in some church or whatever

Not only was it extremely boring, it immediately made me disinterested in the series. As such, it has failed on every metric that a first episode needs to achieve. Re-watching it after experiencing F/SN made much more sense.

The problem really is that a lot of Fate fans recommend that people to start with Fate/Zero, which imo makes no sense. It was clearly written for people who had already experienced F/SN at some capacity, and it's purposes is to give backstory. It baffles me that there's even debate on this point, obviously people should start with the original story like?!?

@TsutanaiFuun The second season of Jujutsu has something I've never seen before: Gege Akutami literally forgot that Mei Mei was about to fight Geto. I went crazy thinking I had skipped an episode and missed the fight, because I remembered the last scene with Mei Mei was her preparing to fight Geto. Then, out of nowhere, Geto shows up in the middle of everyone, and Mei Mei is having sex with that boy.

@Zero01guard None of this is relevant to any of the point I actually made to the OP.
I was telling the OP that I think the reason OTHER PEOPLE rate the anime highly (like 8-10) is due to them liking Shonen, due to the style and the fantastic animation (which according to what you say above now, we both agree on)
I said at the start I only rated it a 7. So I don't get why you're arguing with me about it being mid when I gave it a slightly above average rating. It's not like I rate Demon Slayer as god tier. You also telling me Fate is better- well yeah if yo look at my list you should see I also rated Fate higher.
I just said DS has nice art and animation that people respond to... maybe tell them about Garden of Sinners and Hellsing I guess...

@Viriathus They actually are of the same category. Jujutsu Kaisen, Kimetsu no Yaiba and My Hero Aca are often treated as this generations 'big 3' like Naruto, Bleach and One Piece were. They all pretty much play by the same battle shounen formula with slight variations and different themes. The funny thing is all 3 of the former titles, their manga have already ended, some very recently as of posting this, but One Piece is still on-going, so One Piece started before and lasted longer than the new generation.

In the past, these kind of shows did have long run times and never stopping between seasons but in return, they were full of filler, padding and some entire arcs of them. Pacing often became a huge issue where shows like Bleach would throw a filler arc in the middle of an actual canon arc or how every time you hear Sorrow and Sadness from Naruto, you could expect 5~10 minutes of monologuing and the swing flash back. These days, you don't have to worry about all that padding and filler (as much) and that's thanks to the seasonal breaks.

I don't really dive into peoples accounts (to give recommendations) anymore but just a quick browse at your favorites, I do think you would still enjoy them, maybe some more than others and some might take a white to get into but if you can enjoy one you can generally enjoy the other. If you feel influenced from the negativity of this thread, just remember they're the vocal minority. There's a reason why these shows are some of the most popular titles out there.