| Imo as long as you think youre an anime fan you are a fan. Also when that anime you pirate isnt available in your country through legal means you dont harm anyone because they wouldnt earn money with you anyways. |
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| You're not an anime fan unless you jerk off to your favorite anime waifus at least 5 days a week. |
| Still, if I didn't pirate watching anime, I wouldn't even be a fan of it in the first place. My first experience of binge watching One Piece was one of the best things I've done. Piracy isn't an issue of morals, but an issue of service. Even if I tried to use legal services, some can only be accessed in certain countries, which I cannot do, and relying on VPN seems to be a big hassle, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't watch anime legally either. Legal streaming websites can only do so much to provide, there might be some that are missing from my watch list, so resorting to piracy has to be done if I want to watch that anime. |
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| A man means that you enjoy something, not necessarily that you support it financially. |
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| Last time I checked the only prerequisite was liking anime. |
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| True anime fan... What even is that? I would never classify myself as a fan of anything Why would I care whether someone considers me an anime fan or not? Only thing I need is having a bunch of forum posts (5000+) |
| The most undisputed pirates-are-also-fans are those who pirate to preserve otherwise lost media. |
| People who pirate anime are fans. In my opinion it doesn't matter if you buy it or not, to be an anime fan means that you enjoy watching anime and contributing to conversations about it. I also think that if you can afford anime then you shouldn't pirate it, I think that you should be supporting the author & animators. You can also support them in other ways, for example spreading the word. That is generally my opinion on this, I am also open to hearing other people out. |
| "When clouds appear, wise men put on their cloaks; When great leaves fall, the winter is at hand; When the sun sets, who doth not look for night? Untimely storms make men expect a dearth." William Shakespeare |
| If someone bothered to pirate something just so they could consume it (not sell it), then they must like that content a lot. And if you pirate lots of Anime to watch, I'd say that's evident in itself that you are so into the Anime media. Of course, it's still ideal to support the people that made those contents for us, but we all have reasons and circumstances when we pirate stuff: financial reasons, content availability, limited internet data plan, etc.. Admittedly, I'm bias because I was once only capable of watching Anime through pirating. It wasn't until the streaming services boomed and gave us official options that I started paying to watch Anime. But even then, there are still a wide list of Anime, or just contents in general, that are not available offcially, especially retros. So, that's another situation where pirating could be an option. For example: I'm a fan of a lot of musicians that I would likely never see perform live, whose music I only listen to through streaming services, with albums I will never buy. Some people does that and more, but that doesn't mean I'm not a fan. It just means some are more "Hardcore" and dedicated than I am (and maybe more financially stable too if they can afford concert and plane tickets xD). |
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Okay so you guys agree with my theories more or less but I'm waiting to see post from users who pay for crunchyroll and Netflix, Amazon prime etc and lives in the hugely convenient areas like Tokyo, London, Hong Kong, Singapore New York and LA which host big anime events.
| @RainyEvenings In Russia, anime has only begun to gain popularity in recent years. There are quite a few licensed anime with official subtitles and dubbing. Ironically, the anime Tokidoki Bosotto Russia-go de Dereru Tonari no Alya-san was recently licensed RIGHT AT THE END OF THE SEASON. It’s good that in Russia there are many actually legal pirate sites where you can even watch anime online |
| Ah yes, just what we need more in the anime space, wealth elitists trying to gatekeep what an anime fan is by how much one spends money on it. -_- |
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Still, if I didn't pirate watching anime, I wouldn't even be a fan of it in the first place. My first experience of binge watching One Piece was one of the best things I've done. Piracy isn't an issue of morals, but an issue of service. Even if I tried to use legal services, some can only be accessed in certain countries, which I cannot do, and relying on VPN seems to be a big hassle, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't watch anime legally either. Legal streaming websites can only do so much to provide, there might be some that are missing from my watch list, so resorting to piracy has to be done if I want to watch that anime.
ZeroMajor12 said: Piracy isn't an issue of morals, but an issue of service. I understand that your parents were unable to provide you with a good educational service, and that your will and actions are shaped by the quality of the services you receive. |
RainyEvenings said: Can people who pirate anime be considered anime fans? What do you think? lol Nothing says true fandom like championing on all the Japanese Anime Users have illegally pirated throughout the years. lol Wonder how fans would go about, if ever the opportunity was presented, to meet their favorite Authors or Creators of their favorite franchises and try to avoid and evade acknowledging to them that all the stuff produced that they have enjoyed have been consumed through the use of Illegal Piracy. lol |
ColourWheelSep 13, 5:09 PM
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| A lot of anime fans I personally know of in real life started out as pirates. And I would consider those folks far bigger fans than myself. |
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RainyEvenings said:
Can people who pirate anime be considered anime fans? What do you think?
Can people who pirate anime be considered anime fans? What do you think?
lol Nothing says true fandom like championing on all the Japanese Anime Users have illegally pirated throughout the years. lol
Wonder how fans would go about, if ever the opportunity was presented, to meet their favorite Authors or Creators of their favorite franchises and try to avoid and evade acknowledging to them that all the stuff produced that they have enjoyed have been consumed through the use of Illegal Piracy. lol
| @ColourWheel that's what I'm talking about? How do you think people should tell the creators of their anime that they became fans after pirating it for years.. Lol I would look forward to seeing that conversation and reaction of both.. Haha I don't think any anime creators will visit the city I live in, so I won't be in that situation but they come to the bigger cities in my country..so I'll look forward to the look on their face when my fellow countrymen tell them, they are pirates.. Anyway I'll go see Man united players and tell them I pirate the games because they are fuckin shit and I ain't paying sky and bt to watch them bums lose every weekend.. |
RainyEvenings said: I think being a fan is about the passion and enjoyment you derive from the activity, not necessarily about how you engage with it. Everyone’s experience and expression of fandom are unique and valid. Serafos said: It doesn't make you any less of an anime fan even if you pirate it. You still love to watch it, which is the main point of being a fan. It's as simple as that. I 100 percent agree with this. I watch anime via streaming apps such as Hulu, Crunchyroll, Netflix, etc compared to years ago where you went to totally sus streaming sites to get your anime or even manga. I am just glad we can watch anime and read manga legally in the USA a lot more. I cannot speak on other countries, though. |
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| There is a special word for fans of anime, weebs. |
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| How much money do you have to spend to be a movie fan? |
phantom346 said: How much money do you have to spend to be a movie fan? I don't think it has to do with how much money one spends on something and more to do about how they choose to go about consume things. Sure someone can technically be considered a fan even if every movie they consumed was through robbery by going to BestBuy every week and perpetually robbing the place. But that would also make them a Criminal and potentially up for Grand Larceny too. Even if there are virtually little to no legal consequences currently in most Western nations for Illegally Pirating stuff, Piracy is still Illegal in most western nations (One can even look it up if they don't believe me). Which would still technically make them Criminals even without facing any legal consequences even without the intention or awareness of doing so. I am sure many Users want to believe that one can be a fan even if they are Illegally Pirating the shit they consume but in the same vein they should also be labeled Criminals for going about the Illegal means of their fandom. In the eyes of pretty much every Author and Creator in this industry, they would likely not considered anyone who Illegally Pirates their content to be true fans at all and rightfully be ridiculed for it. |
ColourWheelSep 16, 10:56 PM
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| As long as there are anime fans who can use piracy sites but choose not to, you are not an anime fan. I don't believe that genuine anime fans and self-proclaimed anime fans who look down on animators belong to the same group. |
| Some people really make it difficult by putting out definitions of what a fan is. I'm very thankful for asian anime youtube channels for providing high quality subtitles and resolution for people who basically won't ever pay for subscription services to watch shows they enjoy, basically for free. Some titles (MHA, Demon Slayer) are locked behind paywall, but they've got a lot of shows almost anyone can enjoy every single week! I highly recommend you check out Muse Asia and Ani-One Asia youtube channels (use VPN for asian countries) if you're outside the region. |
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| If I'm not a fan, then why have I spent over 200 days watching anime? The only time I've watched anime legally is Netflix, and that was with a family account. And still... I had to use a VPN to access more shows due to licensing restrictions. Anime fans shouldn't be restricted to certain anime just because of their location if they never pirated stuff. |
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_cjessop19_ said: Anime fans shouldn't be restricted to certain anime just because of their location if they never pirated stuff. Just a little disclaimer here, I am not specifically targeting you here but you bring up a few general moral and ethical questions to be asked. This begs the question, should people really be and feel entitled to Japanese Anime simply because it exists, to giving themselves a legitimate excuse to be forgiven to consume Anime through illegal means without paying for it when it normally cost money? Should this also give people an excuse to illegally pirate Anime Movies abroad simply because they aren't being offered to a theater near them during their initial run time or if it is being offered in theaters but it would be quite the distance for them to drive to go see? If the answer is yes to the above questions, why should people automatically feel entitled to something simple because it exists in the 1st place much less entitled to something for free that normally cost money? Further more, if this is the mentality a majority of Western consumers have towards media entertainment in general these days, is the only reason why they do it is simply because there is little to no consequences to be had for doing things that are obviously illegal? Also if this is the type of mentality Users have, how else does this effect everything else about how Users go about life? Does this mean they would go ahead do other things illegal or wrong simply if they feel or think they won't face any consequences for it? Where would one draw the line? I would tend to think a true fan would wait till they could get their hands on an Official Physical Copy of something before resorting to Illegally pirating the Anime they claim to love, even if they would be forced to spend more money than paying for a subscription fee due to something like a region restriction if they really wanted to consume it that badly. Or even go to the extreme of importing their favorite Anime straight from Japan when it gets released after it initially finishes airing in Japan. Illegal piracy just seems more of an excuse to me for Users to consume Anime without paying for it then anything else. There is a hell of a lot of Anime that isn't available for legal streaming that I have not seen and would like to see. I could easily Illegally Pirate it if I wanted to but choose not to. Instead I make it a mission to hunt down Japanese Anime I want to consume when it's not legally streaming on Official Physical Copies, even if it can sometimes take years to finally get my hands on something or even never finding it to legally consume at all. I simply don't have this entitled mentality other Western Users have about Japanese Anime. It's also not simply because I can afford it either. There has been times I have passed up on buying something simply because it cost either way too much money in my opinion or my interest is simply not strong enough where I would be willing to dump an exorbitant amount of money on something and write it off as just not worth it (There have been times I have found collectors trying sell off their personal collections and asking extremely inflated asking prices for stuff simply because what they have is extremely rare to find even when there is almost no demand for it). Even so I still don't resort to Illegally Pirating Anime simply because I feel something cost too much. This type of moral and ethical mind set decline in the West has lead me to always lay out a few One hundred Dollar Bills out in the open in my house when ever I hold any type of soiree (I have hidden security cameras around my house). It's done when ever I have guests or acquaintances over who have yet to earn any sort of trust from me. To see if they are tempted simply to steal a petty amount of money from me if they think they can get away with it. Which helps me confirm and better judge the type of character people are who I intend to get to know better. Often times in the past this practice of mine has helped me from getting involved with people who are obviously kleptomaniacs. I even remember a person who was once over my house before who I was told got caught stealing shit at the local Walmart a few years ago. Which ended up ruining their life over a petty amount of $1,200 worth of merchandise that they didn't even really need. Since it was over $1000 it counted as Grand Larceny. He was only over my house once a very long time ago and was someone who actually tried to steal $100 from me when he was invited over, obviously because he thought he wouldn't get caught or he simply just didn't care that what he was trying to do was wrong. Someone I was talking to recently in real life tried to make an equivalence to Illegal Anime Piracy by put it in the perspective of breaking the law which leads to no short term harm or loss of a significant amount of revenue in a vacuum. The great analogy this friend came up with is if some stranger broke into someone's house while the owner wasn't home and started using stuff like their computer to surf the internet, using their TV, and just general use of their home just to relax. Then simply leaving the house before the owner comes back. Technically they haven't physically stolen anything or broken anything of tangible value or cost the owner any significant amount of revenue loss. Though if such a practice is done persistently over time, there would be the costs of this stranger using up a significant amount of utility fees and broadband use as well as the wear and tear of anything they would use in the home such as the owners TV, the owners computer, or even the use of just relaxing on a couch that doesn't belong to them wearing down the cushioning over time. I am pretty sure no one who Illegally Pirates Anime would be completely ok with some stranger constantly doing this to them and using their house when ever they weren't home without any type of financial compensation. This is exactly why something like Illegal Piracy is seen as something that is morally and ethically wrong to begin with, because it's never done in a vacuum. It's a practice that leads to extensive damage over time from loss of revenue to furthering the unsustainability of Japanese Anime as an industry. When you have hundreds of thousands of Users to millions of Users doing the exact same thing, the damage it does to the Anime industry is undeniable. |
ColourWheelSep 22, 4:00 PM
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| It is not like paying for anime solves anything...when the entire global economy is a big fat scam. Capitali$m is a total $cam. And you know it. Don't worry. Near Term Human Extinction will come soon enough. Keep on denying it because no amount of denial will save you. |
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It is not like paying for anime solves anything...when the entire global economy is a big fat scam. Capitali$m is a total $cam. And you know it. Don't worry. Near Term Human Extinction will come soon enough. Keep on denying it because no amount of denial will save you.
| @DesuMaiden A glance through the window tells me the economy is working just fine right now. I don't think this thread is appropriate to discuss human extinction right now. |
| Someone claims that one has to buy their right to be an anime fan? that's the stupidest shit I've heard since 3 posts ago. You can support the work of your favorite author, but overall being a true fan is enjoying their work and being thankful for what they've done. Like let's say you like Jujutsu Kaisen and buy the physical copies, you probably just liked it because of MAPPA mostly, sure the story is great and the authors are a great part of it, but usually what people like are the anime not the manga itself (I'm just going off by the fact that most anime watchers don't read manga), so they are mesmerized by the combination of animation, soundtrack and voice acting that overall is nothing without a good story, but it's still a key element and most of it as well, it's the medium to present it. The point I'm trying to say is, you paid for it, and now the money goes to the company, a part to the author and the animators don't get shit almost, because it's all a business, so most of what you are paying is supporting the industry more than the creators or the creative force that brought what you liked. And that is fine, I'm not saying pirate everything cause Mappa animators aren't paid enough, just that maybe you don't like the show more just cause you are filling some rich guy's pockets. I do agree that it makes me feel bad when i read stuff from the authors saying "thanks to my fans for supporting me for so many years". Cause I don't feel like a fan for not buying the manga for example, or adding my vote in a popularity poll for the manga to avoid cancellation. But if I talk about how good the show is, and more and more people watch if because of it, I AM a fan that is helping them expand and making it more popular, so no, I don't think you have to spend a cent to be a fan |
| You are not an anime fan, but I acknowledge that you are a fan of the administrators of piracy and torrent sites. |
| Anyone who doesn't own things from each of their favourites list isn't a real anime fan simple as. All your justifications are mental gymnastics cope. You can own things from your favourite series and still pirate when needed but to exclusively pirate and not own a single piece of merch or manga from things which you shill daily and chimpout about when it comes to delays, low animation quality, lack of season 2 ETC just means you need to REDACT. |
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| "I'm supporting the industry because I made a positive comment on an anime forum, and that clearly resulted in a friend of a friend of his cousin's uncle's brother's in law's niece's friend to buy a used bluray on ebay!" Jozuwa-_- said: For example: I'm a fan of a lot of musicians that I would likely never see perform live, whose music I only listen to through streaming services, with albums I will never buy. Some people does that and more, but that doesn't mean I'm not a fan. It just means some are more "Hardcore" and dedicated than I am (and maybe more financially stable too if they can afford concert and plane tickets xD). I mean, you are still indirectly paying the artists to be able to listen to their music, assuming you meant legal streaming services and don't use adblock. |
| You can buy lossless digital music from your favorite Japanese artists on https://ototoy.jp/. The songs are all DRM-free and you can re-download your purchased albums as you wish. Show your support to your favorite artist if you can! ps. if you are looking for Japanese albums, you have to search it in Japanese (not romaji). Just copy and paste the name. For those who want to learn Japanese through anime Resources for learning the language |
DreamingBeats said: Through legal music streaming services, yes. I only pointed that out since these kinds of threads tend to subtly imply that not giving enough towards one's beloved industry means that they are not "Fans" of the content they admire. And since legal services, while helpful in a way, tends to benefit the companies much more than the studios and/or performers themselves, I'd assume that supporting through legal streaming services wouldn't be considered "enough" by people who questions people's "Fan" status.I mean, you are still indirectly paying the artists to be able to listen to their music, assuming you meant legal streaming services and don't use adblock. ----------------------------- I'll revise my point: I think this specific topic tend to confuse "Fans" with "Supporters". I think we should establish that "Fans" are simply people who admires something to a considerable extent, while supporters tends to put effort, sometimes even going above and beyond to show their love for their admired acts/contents by purchasing merchandises, going to live events-- be it paid or free for public, buying albums/DVDs, getting in hours' worth of lines just to get autographs, simply spreading the word/promoting/recommending their admired acts/contents, etc.. So I guess my point is, someone who loves watching Anime but only watches through pirating is still easily considered an Anime "Fan" simply because they admire the content so much. But whether they are actually "supporting" the Anime industry or not is an entirely different question and should be a separate topic. Now, if the question was instead something along the lines of "Can someone really be considered an Anime Fan if their not managing to support the industry due to their pirating tendencies?", then I guess that would be a clearer context. But understandably, that's not a very clickable thread title. xD |
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DreamingBeats said:
I mean, you are still indirectly paying the artists to be able to listen to their music, assuming you meant legal streaming services and don't use adblock.
Through legal music streaming services, yes. I only pointed that out since these kinds of threads tend to subtly imply that not giving enough towards one's beloved industry means that they are not "Fans" of the content they admire. And since legal services, while helpful in a way, tends to benefit the companies much more than the studios and/or performers themselves, I'd assume that supporting through legal streaming services wouldn't be considered "enough" by people who questions people's "Fan" status.I mean, you are still indirectly paying the artists to be able to listen to their music, assuming you meant legal streaming services and don't use adblock.
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I'll revise my point: I think this specific topic tend to confuse "Fans" with "Supporters". I think we should establish that "Fans" are simply people who admires something to a considerable extent, while supporters tends to put effort, sometimes even going above and beyond to show their love for their admired acts/contents by purchasing merchandises, going to live events-- be it paid or free for public, buying albums/DVDs, getting in hours' worth of lines just to get autographs, simply spreading the word/promoting/recommending their admired acts/contents, etc..
So I guess my point is, someone who loves watching Anime but only watches through pirating is still easily considered an Anime "Fan" simply because they admire the content so much. But whether they are actually "supporting" the Anime industry or not is an entirely different question and should be a separate topic.
Now, if the question was instead something along the lines of "Can someone really be considered an Anime Fan if their not managing to support the industry due to their pirating tendencies?", then I guess that would be a clearer context. But understandably, that's not a very clickable thread title. xD
Jozuwa-_- said: Now, if the question was instead something along the lines of "Can someone really be considered an Anime Fan if their not managing to support the industry due to their pirating tendencies?", then I guess that would be a clearer context. But understandably, that's not a very clickable thread title. Japanese Anime is an industry. Without the industry there would be no Japanese Anime. Not a single Author or Creator produces their own Japanese Anime single handedly. You have got Producers, The Main Directors, Animators, Scriptwriters, Character Designers, Background Artists, Storyboard Artists, Animation Directors, Art Directors, Color Designers, Compositors, Voice actors, Music artists, Sound Designers, Editors, Marketing teams, distributers, etc... When Users talk about anything Japanese Anime, they are literally talking about an industry. Even the fandom that goes with it is a by product of the actual industry. |
ColourWheelSep 23, 1:36 PM
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| @colourwheel I don't consider myself anime fan. I've lost interest in anime and everything else in life.. I started watching anime because when it was introduced in my country like everything new, it was trending so I picked up watching anime to be popular.. Then after i finished university, I watch anime to escape reality.. Now I've realised there is no point in escaping reality.. I'm just counting down the days and waiting for my death in the mean time I watch anime cause there is nothing to do to kill time..there is no point in doing anything since it's all meaningless as I'm going to die someday.. I don't see the point |
| Never bought anime in my life. Kind of ashamed. |
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I pirated pretty much all of the anime I watch except the few I own on blu-ray. You can say I’m a fan or I’m not a fan, I don’t revolve my life around anime so I don’t care either way, it’s just a hobby for me.
However, I’ve bought most of the manga I’ve read so I’m supporting the industry a little bit.
However, I’ve bought most of the manga I’ve read so I’m supporting the industry a little bit.
| @CollectiveDismal Me too, brother. Hate reading scanlations. |
| Yes, can't believe we're at this point asking this type of stuff. I'll start buying more blu-ray when they make the ones of the anime I like a reasonable price or not separated into volumes. |
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