Wistoria's Wand and Sword
| its not better in the manga either but the fights are hype |
| I don't care, I still enjoy the anime. |
Reply to px_drstreak
SoupEnergy said:
So this show is basically just Will proving to people that he's not weak, but the problem is that he does it like 5 times:
- Sion thinks he's weak, so he saves him to prove that he's not weak
- Bootleg Snape sensei thinks he's weak, so he fights him to prove that he's not weak
- The NPCs think he's weak, so he solos the tournament to prove that he's not weak
- Julius thinks he's weak, so he beats the shit out of him to prove that he's not weak
- The racist elf mf thinks he's weak, so he helps him in the dungeon to prove that he's not weak
Is there a pattern here? I can't tell.
I'm not hating on this show or anything, I think it's quite good. But I don't consider this to be one of the best of this season like a lot of people do especially if it has glaring issues like this. Maybe it gets better in the manga, idk.
So this show is basically just Will proving to people that he's not weak, but the problem is that he does it like 5 times:
- Sion thinks he's weak, so he saves him to prove that he's not weak
- Bootleg Snape sensei thinks he's weak, so he fights him to prove that he's not weak
- The NPCs think he's weak, so he solos the tournament to prove that he's not weak
- Julius thinks he's weak, so he beats the shit out of him to prove that he's not weak
- The racist elf mf thinks he's weak, so he helps him in the dungeon to prove that he's not weak
Is there a pattern here? I can't tell.
I'm not hating on this show or anything, I think it's quite good. But I don't consider this to be one of the best of this season like a lot of people do especially if it has glaring issues like this. Maybe it gets better in the manga, idk.
you are so right bro.....cant really see where the anime is going to.........im just waiting for a miraculous plot twist which i didnt expect......i dont really like the male protagonist hes too overpowered and then when they introduce a new overpowered character he would be neffed badly
| @px_drstreak The biggest plot twist in the prequel. :) |
| I wouldn’t say that’s 100% true. Will does prove himself a lot of times, but he doesn’t really care about being proven better than anyone. The Julius fight was more for the Dwarfs than himself. I’m not saying you’re wrong on this, but that’s most magical themed anime are about. It’s the same with Familiar of zero and Black Clover. |
| It's especially noticeable because it's being done 4 times back to back in 9 episodes. |
| I think you missed the point of his character so far because he isn't trying to prove himself to these people, he doesn't care about what they think, he's just doing him....That and he's only trying to prove his worth to the school/tower so that he can progress into becoming a Magia Vander |
Reply to ArthurBedlam
Tokoya said:
I think you missed the point of his character so far because he isn't trying to prove himself to these people, he doesn't care about what they think, he's just doing him....That and he's only trying to prove his worth to the school/tower so that he can progress into becoming a Magia Vander
I think you missed the point of his character so far because he isn't trying to prove himself to these people, he doesn't care about what they think, he's just doing him....That and he's only trying to prove his worth to the school/tower so that he can progress into becoming a Magia Vander
OP wasn’t really making a comment about Will’s motivations. They were really just pointing out how the narrative is repetitive. That was less about the character Will himself, but rather the plot as a whole. And it’s just true. The plot is pretty basic and is repetitive, still been very much enjoying it for what it is tho
| @ArthurBedlam He's a "Laggard", this is a classist thing that's not gonna just disappear over night because he beat one of the elite in the school lol. This is what you call realism, discriminatory stuff like this that's deeply rooted in society goes EXACTLY like that. Look at America for example lol, even though some people would like to believe that its gone, racism is STILL very much a thing These people, (Yet alone an elf whom in universe is already prejudiced af) won't change their minds unless they deem it necessary themselves. Once again, Will has no interest in proving himself to these people, its up to them to decide whether or not they want to break the stigma and acknowledge him |
| Yea I noticed the constant recycling of the plot. But maybe now that there is some enemy OUTSIDE of the academy, things will finally change. |
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Reply to ArthurBedlam
Tokoya said:
@ArthurBedlam He's a "Laggard", this is a classist thing that's not gonna just disappear over night because he beat one of the elite in the school lol. This is what you call realism, discriminatory stuff like this that's deeply rooted in society goes EXACTLY like that. Look at America for example lol, even though some people would like to believe that its gone, racism is STILL very much a thing
These people, (Yet alone an elf whom in universe is already prejudiced af) won't change their minds unless they deem it necessary themselves. Once again, Will has no interest in proving himself to these people, its up to them to decide whether or not they want to break the stigma and acknowledge him
@ArthurBedlam He's a "Laggard", this is a classist thing that's not gonna just disappear over night because he beat one of the elite in the school lol. This is what you call realism, discriminatory stuff like this that's deeply rooted in society goes EXACTLY like that. Look at America for example lol, even though some people would like to believe that its gone, racism is STILL very much a thing
These people, (Yet alone an elf whom in universe is already prejudiced af) won't change their minds unless they deem it necessary themselves. Once again, Will has no interest in proving himself to these people, its up to them to decide whether or not they want to break the stigma and acknowledge him
Word, those are all great points and completely valid. Myself being a Black american I appreciate your perspective and I totally agree lol 🙏🏽 That doesn’t change that the way the narrative is being presented here is fairly basic and repetitive tho. Also, I would like to stress, that just because it’s basic and repetitive, doesn’t mean it isn’t enjoyable.
I think the fact that the same thing has already happened and handful of times within 9 episodes is what makes it feel so repetitive. Changing a society’s perspective is a gargantuan task, but it feels like it’s happened multiple times here already, but yet kinda just resets so he can do it again in a different circumstance lol
| @ArthurBedlam I hear where you guys are coming from and yes its a bit repetitive, but each of these occasions have been different enough to make them stand out on their own still imo With the professor, that was a classic case of the classism that I spoke of. With Julius, he was just a dickhead who thought he could do and get whatever he wants because he felt like he was better than everyone really (It wasn't just because Will was a Laggard) and with Sion, as we saw in the tournament, he treated Will like that because he felt disrespected by Will's actions when he tried to essentially help him - which in itself was just him wanting to be seen and respected like a human being (Basically standard rival stuff that got multiplied after their dungeon incident), and now what we're seeing with the elf guy is that he also sees himself in Will because they both are outcasts/Laggard's in their society, so he can relate to and understand will on an even deeper level thus adding a new layer to the inferiority complex that he has. |
| plot repetition is literally 95% of anime. Alya hides her feelings in russian? obvious. DBZ? Goku loses - powers up - wins Black clover? ASTA has no magic - gains powers - loses - gains powers - wins etc There's many more, but there's always a sub plot that repeats. |
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| He does all of these things for different reasons, proving that he's not weak is a secondary side effect. The first time, he just leaked that he's not weak (episode 1 when saving Sion) which causes Snape to try expelling him and fuels Sion's frustration even more. He only proved he's not weak once really and that was in the tournament in front of everyone. After this, no one with eyes thinks of him as a weakling. The fifth instance is interesting because it's not about proving himself weak, it's about proving himself to be useful. Two very different things. Interestingly enough, the answer that the anime gave is that he's actually useless despite being strong in certain situations simply due to having a worse detection radius and not having the range which resulted in him having no impact on the dungeon clear speed. However, we see at the end of this recent episode that Will shines in close combat to the point that the monsters on the danger floors (11-15) are no match for him which is something that even the viewer would be hesitant to say before having watched the episode. Sure, it's a pattern that people are getting impressed by his abilities, but that is simply going to be the case when the mc has hidden his powers the whole time. Show definitely has flaws, but this isn't really one of them. |
SoupEnergy said: So this show is basically just Will proving to people that he's not weak, but the problem is that he does it like 5 times: - Sion thinks he's weak, so he saves him to prove that he's not weak - Bootleg Snape sensei thinks he's weak, so he fights him to prove that he's not weak - The NPCs think he's weak, so he solos the tournament to prove that he's not weak - Julius thinks he's weak, so he beats the shit out of him to prove that he's not weak - The racist elf mf thinks he's weak, so he helps him in the dungeon to prove that he's not weak Is there a pattern here? I can't tell. I'm not hating on this show or anything, I think it's quite good. But I don't consider this to be one of the best of this season like a lot of people do especially if it has glaring issues like this. Maybe it gets better in the manga, idk. Real I feel the same things too |
| I disagree with most of it. It's true that Will often surprises someone with his abilities, but none of those events have the goal of "proving that he's not weak". The only time he had to "prove that he's not weak" was with "Snape". The rest of the events had entirely different purposes, and it's obvious they were trials. But I do agree that he impressed others quite a lot, it's just not the core of any arc besides 'Snape.' |
| this is one of those series where nothing bad is ever gonna happen to anyone who Will isn't fighting |
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| I dropped this show 6-7 min into my watch. Now I did suspect this would happen given how the characters in this show appear. Its not that they appear bad, but they do appear in a way that is often times to me an indication of a show with weak or generic writing. I admit I do have a degree of disdain for shows like this as I see them as low effort, cash grabs that take up more space than warranted. And I think this season alone saw many shows with great writing, but lower than warranted exposure. Shows that could have been in higher priority for anime fans this seasons. Now I can't tell people what they should watch, but I can make the suggestion that if we ever find ourselves watching something that feels like beating an old, tired or dead horse we shouldn't just default to it and keep watching. We should instead consider taking the chance at watching other shows currently running. Who knows you may find yourself enjoying it more than expected. Equally as important you help in signaling to the industry that the run of the mill show every season just wont do it. So expand those horizons; search & watch more unique shows with strong art, music & writing. It'll net higher quality and greater variety in the long run. |
LordKirkisSep 25, 12:09 AM
| Not only is the plot repeating itself, the MC is the ultimate cuck I've ever seen as a "hero". Apologizes to his bullies till the end, while the show keeps showing one of the bullies yelling "LAGGARD" constantly as the "good guy" (while bullying the MC, who refuses to stand up for himself). For some reason, the snow user is still bullying while doing a 180 degree on personality to a beta on the side, made no sense there. Does the writer have a humiliation fetish? Also, hate MC's feminine art style (he's the only one drawn like that), can't stand such pathetic people in RL and in fiction. Not being able to stand up to bullies does not make you mature or cool, it just makes you look pathetic. I'm guessing the writer identifies with the MC a lot. Anyway, took away 5 points just for the MC. He has seen zero growth in personality department, still acts like a cuck smiling and apologizing to his bullies even in the last episode playing around with him like they were best friends. At this point, I might watch season 2 to see what they do with the universe. If the MC doesn't change, taking 5 points off instantly for season 2 as well, like I did with this season. |
1List2RuleThemAlOct 14, 4:21 PM
| Does it even have a plot ? I mean each episode is which mahic user is the biggest twat. Like it the competition of asshole of the year. |
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| I just hate that he's strong with the sword and he can't get the freaking sword Just let him prove that he's strong and everybody respect him lmao |
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