Rosty's true identity & why he likes Will, definitely check it out if you got weirded out by him(Theory/possible spoilers)
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Sep 1, 4:41 PM
#1
This is a theory/speculation among the fanbase based on hints and not confirmed. The fanbase/readers think that Rosty is actually an ice clone of Elfie. She uses it to look over Will and be with him. Later events also highly suggests this possibilty. There's also his name Rosty which is close to the word Frosty. Also with this knowledge his behaviour pattern also makes a lot of sense cause we already know how obsessed she is with Will. I didn't come up with this and don't take any credit for it. Just wanted to share this here cause a lot of you might get weirded out by Rosty's behaviour. |
MegamiRemSep 1, 5:08 PM
Sep 1, 5:31 PM
#2
I kind of thought it's a clone also, since it reacted to the way Elfie did several times. Will said a few things about clones and how they don't have body heat. He can tell if someone was a clone. Plus, things about distances can be that she operate a clone from that far. I'm in two minds about it being a clone if it's a clone or not. Will said he can tell the difference in a clone, but he could choose to ignore the fact that it is a clone. |
Sep 1, 5:41 PM
#3
If you watched Tokyo Ravens, that’s where you get your answer is what I heard. |
Sep 1, 5:59 PM
#4
Reply to Moppit
I kind of thought it's a clone also, since it reacted to the way Elfie did several times. Will said a few things about clones and how they don't have body heat. He can tell if someone was a clone. Plus, things about distances can be that she operate a clone from that far. I'm in two minds about it being a clone if it's a clone or not. Will said he can tell the difference in a clone, but he could choose to ignore the fact that it is a clone.
Moppit said: You misinterpreted what Will said even though he was specific. What Will said apllied to Julius. That Julius doesn't have control over his clones like Elfie does and they leak out cold which creates ice crystals at their feet and thus how he can tell the difference. Elfie invented and has been using this spell since she was 2 so her power/control is not comparable to Julius, she's way far above. In that episode there was even a hint about Elfie and Rosty's connection when the scene transitions from Rosty to Elfie as Rosty was watching over Will and then Elfie was talking about the events occuring at the arena. How did she know what was happening? Through Rosty's eyes.I kind of thought it's a clone also, since it reacted to the way Elfie did several times. Will said a few things about clones and how they don't have body heat. He can tell if someone was a clone. Plus, things about distances can be that she operate a clone from that far. I'm in two minds about it being a clone if it's a clone or not. Will said he can tell the difference in a clone, but he could choose to ignore the fact that it is a clone. |
Sep 1, 8:42 PM
#5
There’s no way he’s not her lol, unless he turns out to be a straight yandere. |
Sep 1, 9:25 PM
#6
Moppit said: I kind of thought it's a clone also, since it reacted to the way Elfie did several times. Will said a few things about clones and how they don't have body heat. He can tell if someone was a clone. Plus, things about distances can be that she operate a clone from that far. I'm in two minds about it being a clone if it's a clone or not. Will said he can tell the difference in a clone, but he could choose to ignore the fact that it is a clone. Well said! This is the theory I am subscribe too. |
Sep 1, 9:27 PM
#7
Ohh_scarr said: If you watched Tokyo Ravens, that’s where you get your answer is what I heard. Except this is NOT Tokyo Ravens. It honestly could just be a guy that has genuine feelings for Will in the end. Never assume based off of another anime. |
ejleonSep 1, 9:35 PM
Sep 1, 9:32 PM
#8
MegamiRem said: Moppit said: You misinterpreted what Will said even though he was specific. What Will said apllied to Julius. That Julius doesn't have control over his clones like Elfie does and they leak out cold which creates ice crystals at their feet and thus how he can tell the difference. Elfie invented and has been using this spell since she was 2 so her power/control is not comparable to Julius, she's way far above. In that episode there was even a hint about Elfie and Rosty's connection when the scene transitions from Rosty to Elfie as Rosty was watching over Will and then Elfie was talking about the events occuring at the arena. How did she know what was happening? Through Rosty's eyes.I kind of thought it's a clone also, since it reacted to the way Elfie did several times. Will said a few things about clones and how they don't have body heat. He can tell if someone was a clone. Plus, things about distances can be that she operate a clone from that far. I'm in two minds about it being a clone if it's a clone or not. Will said he can tell the difference in a clone, but he could choose to ignore the fact that it is a clone. Moppit did not misinterpret what Will said. Will stated that he could tell it was a clone, because the clone released a colder temperature than the original caster, and this was a part of his experience with the clones he played with as a kid. If Elfie has so much control over the spell that this is extremely hard to tell now, it was not expressed in the episode. And you are reading into the anime. Elfie could have any number of ways of knowing what was gong in the arena, Rosty could still be a human male with a crush on Will. |
Sep 1, 11:56 PM
#10
Reply to ejleon
MegamiRem said:
Moppit said:
I kind of thought it's a clone also, since it reacted to the way Elfie did several times. Will said a few things about clones and how they don't have body heat. He can tell if someone was a clone. Plus, things about distances can be that she operate a clone from that far. I'm in two minds about it being a clone if it's a clone or not. Will said he can tell the difference in a clone, but he could choose to ignore the fact that it is a clone.
You misinterpreted what Will said even though he was specific. What Will said apllied to Julius. That Julius doesn't have control over his clones like Elfie does and they leak out cold which creates ice crystals at their feet and thus how he can tell the difference. Elfie invented and has been using this spell since she was 2 so her power/control is not comparable to Julius, she's way far above. In that episode there was even a hint about Elfie and Rosty's connection when the scene transitions from Rosty to Elfie as Rosty was watching over Will and then Elfie was talking about the events occuring at the arena. How did she know what was happening? Through Rosty's eyes.I kind of thought it's a clone also, since it reacted to the way Elfie did several times. Will said a few things about clones and how they don't have body heat. He can tell if someone was a clone. Plus, things about distances can be that she operate a clone from that far. I'm in two minds about it being a clone if it's a clone or not. Will said he can tell the difference in a clone, but he could choose to ignore the fact that it is a clone.
Moppit did not misinterpret what Will said.
Will stated that he could tell it was a clone, because the clone released a colder temperature than the original caster, and this was a part of his experience with the clones he played with as a kid.
If Elfie has so much control over the spell that this is extremely hard to tell now, it was not expressed in the episode.
And you are reading into the anime.
Elfie could have any number of ways of knowing what was gong in the arena, Rosty could still be a human male with a crush on Will.
ejleon said: No he didn't, rewatch the scene lol. Like the other guy you're also mixing it up but in another way. The Julius clones were leaking cold cause he didn't have control over them. The clones have minus body temperature so if they are not controlled properly they'll leak cold and ice crystals form at their feet. Fyi those clones weren't leaking cold before Will took out the two members of Julius party who were helping him control them. Will mentioned getting tormented by 10 clones when Julius increased the number of clones to 8 by which he meant he was getting tormented by 10 clones as a kid, 8 is nothing.Moppit did not misinterpret what Will said. Will stated that he could tell it was a clone, because the clone released a colder temperature than the original caster, and this was a part of his experience with the clones he played with as a kid. ejleon said: What part of it being a theory and not confirmed you didn't get? Though recent events in books further solidifies this theory as well like I said. When And you are reading into the anime. Elfie could have any number of ways of knowing what was gong in the arena, Rosty could still be a human male with a crush on Will. Rosty dies and shatters like the ice clones but later comes back without a scratch. |
MegamiRemSep 2, 12:08 AM
Sep 2, 12:07 AM
#11
people have been speculating about it earlier too https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2170666 |
Sep 2, 12:15 AM
#12
Outro detalhe que apareceu na metade do episodio dessa semana é que Rosty não gosta de magias de fogo ou calor no geral Isso se deve por ele ser um clone de gelo? Bom, estou curioso pra saber a resposta sobre isso Prefiro relação hetera, mas seria um diferencial interessante se Rosty fosse realmente homem |
Sep 2, 12:19 AM
#13
MegamiRem said: ejleon said: No he didn't, rewatch the scene lol. Like the other guy you're also mixing it up but in another way. The Julius clones were leaking cold cause he didn't have control over them. The clones have minus body temperature so if they are not controlled properly they'll leak cold and ice crystals form at their feet. Fyi those clones weren't leaking cold before Will took out the two members of Julius party who were helping him control them. Will mentioned getting tormented by 10 clones when Julius increased the number of clones to 8 by which he meant he was getting tormented by 10 clones as a kid, 8 is nothing.Moppit did not misinterpret what Will said. Will stated that he could tell it was a clone, because the clone released a colder temperature than the original caster, and this was a part of his experience with the clones he played with as a kid. ejleon said: What part of it being a theory and not confirmed you didn't get? Though recent events in books further solidifies this theory as well like I said. When And you are reading into the anime. Elfie could have any number of ways of knowing what was gong in the arena, Rosty could still be a human male with a crush on Will. Rosty dies and shatters like the ice clones but later comes back without a scratch. Will said that was a part of the spell “The clones have the opposite temperature of the caster” Re-watch it The people reading the writer material had said it wasn’t confirmed, but what you said is not necessary confirming your theory either, you don’t know who is in control. |
ejleonSep 2, 1:41 AM
Sep 2, 1:41 AM
#14
I was actually doubting Rosty is even a guy. He totally behaves in feminine way, so it would make perfect sense. But I guess he has been made a dude for sole purpose of being allowed in male only dormitory. Additionally, this little trivia about him indicates, that he dislikes fire and fire magic, which would make sense if he is conjured with ice magic. I also noticed that Elfie had to somehow see Will's fight against Julius due to her flustered reaction, yet she was not only at the top of the tower at the time, but also asleep. As it is, it's very likely Rosty is Elfie'a remote doll created with ice magic (similar to the one Julius tried to mimic, but inferior) she controls while she is napping. |
Sep 2, 1:44 AM
#15
Piromysl said: I was actually doubting Rosty is even a guy. He totally behaves in feminine way, so it would make perfect sense. But I guess he has been made a dude for sole purpose of being allowed in male only dormitory. Additionally, this little trivia about him indicates, that he dislikes fire and fire magic, which would make sense if he is conjured with ice magic. I also noticed that Elfie had to somehow see Will's fight against Julius due to her flustered reaction, yet she was not only at the top of the tower at the time, but also asleep. As it is, it's very likely Rosty is Elfie'a remote doll created with ice magic (similar to the one Julius tried to mimic, but inferior) she controls while she is napping. I would think that the “Magia Vander” would have ways of viewing the contest for the crown, even from atop the tower, as it is a form of entertainment and test for advancement. They can’t all have “magic clones” to know what’s happening in the events. They are looking for more information on new recruits too. And assuming it is Elfie could be what the writer wants us to think, then they pull the rug out from under us. |
Sep 2, 2:35 AM
#16
I will just throw this out there; Elfie created the clone spell at the age of 2 and is the same age as Will now 15. There is no way that she hasn’t already became stronger and gained more control over her ice magic and her clones. Making it more believable that Rosty Nowman could possibly be a clone that Elfie could control. His name even says he’s not a man. |
BishopMESep 2, 5:09 AM
Sep 2, 5:31 AM
#17
Reply to ejleon
MegamiRem said:
Rosty dies and shatters like the ice clones but later comes back without a scratch.
ejleon said:
Moppit did not misinterpret what Will said.
Will stated that he could tell it was a clone, because the clone released a colder temperature than the original caster, and this was a part of his experience with the clones he played with as a kid.
No he didn't, rewatch the scene lol. Like the other guy you're also mixing it up but in another way. The Julius clones were leaking cold cause he didn't have control over them. The clones have minus body temperature so if they are not controlled properly they'll leak cold and ice crystals form at their feet. Fyi those clones weren't leaking cold before Will took out the two members of Julius party who were helping him control them. Will mentioned getting tormented by 10 clones when Julius increased the number of clones to 8 by which he meant he was getting tormented by 10 clones as a kid, 8 is nothing.Moppit did not misinterpret what Will said.
Will stated that he could tell it was a clone, because the clone released a colder temperature than the original caster, and this was a part of his experience with the clones he played with as a kid.
ejleon said:
And you are reading into the anime.
Elfie could have any number of ways of knowing what was gong in the arena, Rosty could still be a human male with a crush on Will.
What part of it being a theory and not confirmed you didn't get? Though recent events in books further solidifies this theory as well like I said. When And you are reading into the anime.
Elfie could have any number of ways of knowing what was gong in the arena, Rosty could still be a human male with a crush on Will.
Rosty dies and shatters like the ice clones but later comes back without a scratch.
Will said that was a part of the spell
“The clones have the opposite temperature of the caster”
Re-watch it
The people reading the writer material had said it wasn’t confirmed, but what you said is not necessary confirming your theory either, you don’t know who is in control.
ejleon said: I literally said the clones have minus temp, dunno why would I have to rewatch it. Infact I can write the entire thing Will said there from memory."The clones have the opposite temperature of the caster” Re-watch it The people reading the writer material had said it wasn’t confirmed, but what you said is not necessary confirming your theory either, you don’t know who is in control. Yes the clones have minus temp but that isn't what gave them out. The frosts at their feet did. But anyway you are not trying to understand or just don't want to. Don't care anymore, won't bother replying further. |
Sep 2, 5:35 AM
#18
Reply to BishopME
I will just throw this out there; Elfie created the clone spell at the age of 2 and is the same age as Will now 15. There is no way that she hasn’t already became stronger and gained more control over her ice magic and her clones. Making it more believable that Rosty Nowman could possibly be a clone that Elfie could control. His name even says he’s not a man.
@BishopME That's also what I'm saying. Julius used an inferior version of the spell Elfie created when she was 2 which already looked believable but now after a decade noway she hasn't improved that magic further. Dunno why some people can't get this into their head. |
Sep 2, 9:01 AM
#19
@MegamiRem @Ejleon After watching bits of episode 7 again and watching episode 8. I'm more convinced Rosti is a clone. During the date, Rosti behavior mirrors the same of Elfie in episode 7 somewhat. How he sulks when he finds out Will was going on a date with Collette looks similar to Elfie's. I might be reading too much in it. Since clones are probably a specialty of Elfie, her clones could be more human than anyone else, and she can ignore things that would easily detect them as clones. Like I said, I'm two minds over the whole ordeal. |
Sep 2, 9:04 AM
#20
MegamiRem said: Moppit said: You misinterpreted what Will said even though he was specific. What Will said apllied to Julius. That Julius doesn't have control over his clones like Elfie does and they leak out cold which creates ice crystals at their feet and thus how he can tell the difference. Elfie invented and has been using this spell since she was 2 so her power/control is not comparable to Julius, she's way far above. In that episode there was even a hint about Elfie and Rosty's connection when the scene transitions from Rosty to Elfie as Rosty was watching over Will and then Elfie was talking about the events occuring at the arena. How did she know what was happening? Through Rosty's eyes.I kind of thought it's a clone also, since it reacted to the way Elfie did several times. Will said a few things about clones and how they don't have body heat. He can tell if someone was a clone. Plus, things about distances can be that she operate a clone from that far. I'm in two minds about it being a clone if it's a clone or not. Will said he can tell the difference in a clone, but he could choose to ignore the fact that it is a clone. Holy shit this blew my mind |
Sep 2, 9:34 AM
#22
last episode when will said he was tortured by elfie we saw a shock face elfie and rosti has a shock face too all with same animation and art style so its a hint plus the episode is about her clone magic and in this weeks episode rosti is being gay romantic with will and we saw the ending credits with elfie having a lot of will dolls on her so another hint |
Sep 2, 12:58 PM
#23
Reply to MegamiRem
ejleon said:
"The clones have the opposite temperature of the caster”
Re-watch it
The people reading the writer material had said it wasn’t confirmed, but what you said is not necessary confirming your theory either, you don’t know who is in control.
I literally said the clones have minus temp, dunno why would I have to rewatch it. Infact I can write the entire thing Will said there from memory."The clones have the opposite temperature of the caster”
Re-watch it
The people reading the writer material had said it wasn’t confirmed, but what you said is not necessary confirming your theory either, you don’t know who is in control.
Yes the clones have minus temp but that isn't what gave them out. The frosts at their feet did. But anyway you are not trying to understand or just don't want to. Don't care anymore, won't bother replying further.
@MegamiRem You are going to respond and apologize for being rude. Gain some maturity and patience, obviously you did not explain everything so clearly. You made it sound like only Julius’s clones were minus temps, not that the spell itself has minus temp clones. That’s why I misunderstood you. Next time discuss with civility and respect. |
Sep 2, 1:06 PM
#24
Reply to Kitsune_089
MegamiRem said:
Moppit said:
I kind of thought it's a clone also, since it reacted to the way Elfie did several times. Will said a few things about clones and how they don't have body heat. He can tell if someone was a clone. Plus, things about distances can be that she operate a clone from that far. I'm in two minds about it being a clone if it's a clone or not. Will said he can tell the difference in a clone, but he could choose to ignore the fact that it is a clone.
You misinterpreted what Will said even though he was specific. What Will said apllied to Julius. That Julius doesn't have control over his clones like Elfie does and they leak out cold which creates ice crystals at their feet and thus how he can tell the difference. Elfie invented and has been using this spell since she was 2 so her power/control is not comparable to Julius, she's way far above. In that episode there was even a hint about Elfie and Rosty's connection when the scene transitions from Rosty to Elfie as Rosty was watching over Will and then Elfie was talking about the events occuring at the arena. How did she know what was happening? Through Rosty's eyes.I kind of thought it's a clone also, since it reacted to the way Elfie did several times. Will said a few things about clones and how they don't have body heat. He can tell if someone was a clone. Plus, things about distances can be that she operate a clone from that far. I'm in two minds about it being a clone if it's a clone or not. Will said he can tell the difference in a clone, but he could choose to ignore the fact that it is a clone.
Holy shit this blew my mind
@Kitsune_089 that was not anything special |
Sep 2, 1:09 PM
#25
Reply to Moppit
@MegamiRem @Ejleon After watching bits of episode 7 again and watching episode 8. I'm more convinced Rosti is a clone. During the date, Rosti behavior mirrors the same of Elfie in episode 7 somewhat. How he sulks when he finds out Will was going on a date with Collette looks similar to Elfie's. I might be reading too much in it. Since clones are probably a specialty of Elfie, her clones could be more human than anyone else, and she can ignore things that would easily detect them as clones. Like I said, I'm two minds over the whole ordeal.
@Moppit Thank you for rewatching and explaining all of this, because of you, I’m more convinced than I was before. But question, wouldn’t Will be able to tell that it was a clone? He seems to have a sensitivity to these types of things. |
Sep 2, 9:45 PM
#26
well spoiler for ahead he is made of flesh, when he was killed in manga. where as elfi's clone scattered when destroy against zoe |
Sep 3, 1:14 AM
#27
In the little character profiles they do mid episode it even says for rosty that he dislikes flames and fire magic. If that ain’t a dead give away idk what is lol |
Sep 3, 2:58 AM
#28
My thoughts were Rosty is not an ice clone, but some sort of Homunculus or avatar created by Elfie that she can possess or process info parallel to her actual self. I imagine a Magia Vander has some crazy shit like that. Plus Elfie knew what was going on through Rosty's eyes as well as Rosty's overall behavior. What they sort of showed in the anime, but can't remember if it was mentioned anywhere in the source or manga, they show Rosty's face after Will beats Julius (the frame where it shows all the important characters react in a split screen images), you see Rosty's eyes are all whited out and he looks like he's about to feint. But why that reaction? He had believed in him the whole time so it wasn't like he had his soul sucked out from worry or the intensity of what was going on...No, while the others were all reacting to the result, he was only thinking about Will's last statement that he was tormented by 10 of her....Elfie wasn't shown reacting in happiness during this part either. You just see her afterward all embarrassed trying to deny the tormenting thing |
Sep 3, 9:09 AM
#29
There is a small detail in the anime episode 7, when Will tells Julius that elfaria is bullying Will with 10 clones. Rosty is shown panicking and then the scene switches to elfaria who is on top of the tower. and in LN, Elfaria often creates clones to help Will. Her clone infiltrates the library at night, looking for books or lessons so Will can survive the Academy. before going up the tower, elfaria left 1 of her clones to keep will. could be it rosty. why is rosty a man? Elfaria wants to always be close to will. If Rosty is a girl, she will not be able to be with Will at all times, whether in the room or in the shower together. Elfaria is very obsessed with Will, in the Academy she often sneaks into Will's room at night. ## it's a reasonable theory. |
Sep 3, 9:41 AM
#30
simple... he's gay |
Sep 3, 11:57 AM
#31
Just thought he's gay tbh |
Sep 3, 3:53 PM
#33
I didn't notice at all, but makes the most sense. If this is true though, I wonder if she has been brainwashing Will to be focused solely on her and nothing else. Additionally, I wouldn't be surprised if she encouraged or at the very least didn't try to stop the bullying or isolation because she wanted Will all to herself. Kind of creepy! Lines up with Rosty's Yandare-like character too though. |
Sep 3, 4:45 PM
#34
Having just been made aware of this theory I would be extremely surprised if this wasn't the case. There are too many hints. The fight in ep 7 is, imo, one of them, rather than a counterargument. That episode makes it clear that Elfie has long been capable of making basically perfect clones, contrary to Julius. |
Sep 4, 7:34 AM
#35
MegamiRem said: This is a theory/speculation among the fanbase based on hints and not confirmed. The fanbase/readers think that Rosty is actually an ice clone of Elfie. She uses it to look over Will and be with him. Later events also highly suggests this possibilty. There's also his name Rosty which is close to the word Frosty. Also with this knowledge his behaviour pattern also makes a lot of sense cause we already know how obsessed she is with Will. I didn't come up with this and don't take any credit for it. Just wanted to share this here cause a lot of you might get weirded out by Rosty's behaviour. But Rosty is a magical architect or something right? how is that possible for a ice mage? |
Sep 4, 8:39 AM
#36
@MegamiRem @Ejleon I know it's a little late. Rosti is an artificer. If he was a clone, he would share the same abilities and knowledge with Elfie when he created. He makes tools for Will all the time. Unless it's a hidden talent about Elfie, we don't know about it. I don't think he is a clone. Otherwise, I don't think you can install knowledge you don't know to a clone. What we see in the anime are coincidences in making us think it is a clone, including name. Could it turn out he was just a close friend Elfie made in the tower or fanatic that worships Elfie sent to spy on Will. There could be a share senses spell she could be using to see through his eyes at any time. |
Sep 4, 8:45 AM
#37
Reply to Moppit
@MegamiRem @Ejleon I know it's a little late. Rosti is an artificer. If he was a clone, he would share the same abilities and knowledge with Elfie when he created. He makes tools for Will all the time. Unless it's a hidden talent about Elfie, we don't know about it. I don't think he is a clone. Otherwise, I don't think you can install knowledge you don't know to a clone. What we see in the anime are coincidences in making us think it is a clone, including name. Could it turn out he was just a close friend Elfie made in the tower or fanatic that worships Elfie sent to spy on Will. There could be a share senses spell she could be using to see through his eyes at any time.
Moppit said: Look I really don't wanna waste my time arguing with you but you keep bringing out pointless claims and make up stuff that would a third rate writer will come up with but let me ask you? Where did they ever tell you that Elfie doesn't have such knowledge? She's a prodigy, genius. She can have talent for making magic tools and it would also absolutely make sense why would she want to. Cause she wants to help Will.@MegamiRem@Ejleon I know it's a little late. Rosti is an artificer. If he was a clone, he would share the same abilities and knowledge with Elfie when he created. He makes tools for Will all the time. Unless it's a hidden talent about Elfie, we don't know about it. I don't think he is a clone. Otherwise, I don't think you can install knowledge you don't know to a clone. What we see in the anime are coincidences in making us think it is a clone, including name. Could it turn out he was just a close friend Elfie made in the tower or fanatic that worships Elfie sent to spy on Will. There could be a share senses spell she could be using to see through his eyes at any time. |
MegamiRemSep 4, 8:58 AM
Sep 4, 8:48 AM
#38
Reply to Flynn_bridge
MegamiRem said:
This is a theory/speculation among the fanbase based on hints and not confirmed.
The fanbase/readers think that Rosty is actually an ice clone of Elfie. She uses it to look over Will and be with him. Later events also highly suggests this possibilty. There's also his name Rosty which is close to the word Frosty. Also with this knowledge his behaviour pattern also makes a lot of sense cause we already know how obsessed she is with Will.
I didn't come up with this and don't take any credit for it. Just wanted to share this here cause a lot of you might get weirded out by Rosty's behaviour.
This is a theory/speculation among the fanbase based on hints and not confirmed.
The fanbase/readers think that Rosty is actually an ice clone of Elfie. She uses it to look over Will and be with him. Later events also highly suggests this possibilty. There's also his name Rosty which is close to the word Frosty. Also with this knowledge his behaviour pattern also makes a lot of sense cause we already know how obsessed she is with Will.
I didn't come up with this and don't take any credit for it. Just wanted to share this here cause a lot of you might get weirded out by Rosty's behaviour.
But Rosty is a magical architect or something right?
how is that possible for a ice mage?
@Flynn_bridge Let me ask you in return. Why isn't it possible? Where did they ever say Elfie's talent was limited to magic and she has no knowledge of making tools and such? You think coming up with magic is that easy? She made multiple (12 was it I think) magic spells herself. Also what Rosty makes are magic tools. As the name suggests it's related to magic. So someone who could make multiple spells herself it isn't surprising at all that she can make magic tools. She could have asked for someone's help with that as well. This goes for you as well. @Moppit |
MegamiRemSep 4, 8:57 AM
Sep 4, 8:55 AM
#39
Sep 4, 9:02 AM
#40
MegamiRem said: @Moppit I already posted this before but writing it again cause you prolly didn't see it but this is what happens in the manga. Rosty dies and shatters like the ice clones but later comes back without a scratch. I apologize. I didn't see that post. I try to read past posts before I write something, but I miss that one. I just went with the knowledge I had from the show only. I haven't tried to read the source material yet. |
Sep 4, 9:05 AM
#41
Reply to Moppit
MegamiRem said:
@Moppit I already posted this before but writing it again cause you prolly didn't see it but this is what happens in the manga.
Rosty dies and shatters like the ice clones but later comes back without a scratch.
@Moppit I already posted this before but writing it again cause you prolly didn't see it but this is what happens in the manga.
Rosty dies and shatters like the ice clones but later comes back without a scratch.
I apologize. I didn't see that post. I try to read past posts before I write something, but I miss that one. I just went with the knowledge I had from the show only. I haven't tried to read the source material yet.
@Moppit Bro chill there's nothing to apoligise for. |
Sep 4, 9:49 AM
#42
Reply to Moppit
@MegamiRem @Ejleon I know it's a little late. Rosti is an artificer. If he was a clone, he would share the same abilities and knowledge with Elfie when he created. He makes tools for Will all the time. Unless it's a hidden talent about Elfie, we don't know about it. I don't think he is a clone. Otherwise, I don't think you can install knowledge you don't know to a clone. What we see in the anime are coincidences in making us think it is a clone, including name. Could it turn out he was just a close friend Elfie made in the tower or fanatic that worships Elfie sent to spy on Will. There could be a share senses spell she could be using to see through his eyes at any time.
Moppit, you made good points. I like how you pay attention to the details and think things through logically. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with me. That other person has been really rude to both of us and just refuses to hear anything that disagrees with what they want to happen. They don’t appreciate good analysis and reasoning. I would just stop talking to them altogether. They do not know how to treat people and are not going apologize to either one of us. |
Sep 4, 9:53 AM
#43
Reply to MegamiRem
@Moppit Bro chill there's nothing to apoligise for.
@MegamiRem You are just pushing what you want to happen in the show and being rude to Moppit and me. You could be right and you could be wrong, but you are arguing like you already know the answer, but you are just assuming. You have not been civil or respectful, you have been really rude, so you should apologize. But it seems you don’t care about treating people who disagree with you well. Forums like this are ruined by people like you, who refuse to hear and consider others’ perspectives. |
ejleonSep 4, 11:01 AM
Sep 4, 11:07 PM
#44
Reply to MegamiRem
@Moppit I already posted this before but writing it again cause you prolly didn't see it but this is what happens in the manga.
Rosty dies and shatters like the ice clones but later comes back without a scratch.
Rosty dies and shatters like the ice clones but later comes back without a scratch.
@MegamiRem Yeah, an ice clone. Full of blood. As shown when his right arm is cut off at the elbow and his chest is impaled by the Mage Killer. At the end of chapter 25 and start of chapter 26. To be fair though he does shatter but because it's monochrome print we don't know if it's ice or stone. And considering he was killed by the Mage Killer it wouldn't surprise me if the thing could apply some level of Petrification. And as far as I'm aware he hasn't show up again in the manga since. What chapter does he return in? I'd like to see for myself if it really happens. |
Sep 4, 11:19 PM
#45
Reply to ejleon
@MegamiRem You are just pushing what you want to happen in the show and being rude to Moppit and me. You could be right and you could be wrong, but you are arguing like you already know the answer, but you are just assuming. You have not been civil or respectful, you have been really rude, so you should apologize. But it seems you don’t care about treating people who disagree with you well. Forums like this are ruined by people like you, who refuse to hear and consider others’ perspectives.
@ejleon I literally started with saying it's a theory and not confirmed incase you forgot. But yes I personally think there's a good possibilty it's true and just have been backing it with whatever evidence I might have. I haven't been civil and direspectful? Wtf are you on about? Show me a sentence where I was heing uncivil/disrespectful. Except maybe the third rate writer I wrote to the other guy which was a figure of speech. I even stopped talking to both of you after giving a second reply yet for some reason both of you are hellbent on trying to drag me into this and keep arguing with me by quoting me multiple times even after that and on top of that now acuse me of being disrespectful/uncivil lmao. Okay, have a good day. ejleon said: Neither of you have come up with any good reasoning, your first post was literally just you misunderstanding things and I tried to make you understand but you didn't thus I gave up. Also I haven't been disrespectful to any of you. Infact you are the one who haven't read any of the things I have said, cause if you did you'd atleast know there weren't disrespectful words in there unless disagreeing with you guys is what you are calling disrepctful in that case idk lol. I literally even asked to stop bothering me but yet here you are keep dragging me into this.That other person has been really rude to both of us and just refuses to hear anything that disagrees with what they want to happen. They don’t appreciate good analysis and reasoning. I would just stop talking to them altogether. They do not know how to treat people and are not going apologize to either one of us. |
MegamiRemSep 4, 11:25 PM
Sep 5, 12:02 AM
#46
Reply to NB_Tenchy
@MegamiRem
Yeah, an ice clone. Full of blood. As shown when his right arm is cut off at the elbow and his chest is impaled by the Mage Killer. At the end of chapter 25 and start of chapter 26.
To be fair though he does shatter but because it's monochrome print we don't know if it's ice or stone. And considering he was killed by the Mage Killer it wouldn't surprise me if the thing could apply some level of Petrification. And as far as I'm aware he hasn't show up again in the manga since. What chapter does he return in? I'd like to see for myself if it really happens.
Yeah, an ice clone. Full of blood. As shown when his right arm is cut off at the elbow and his chest is impaled by the Mage Killer. At the end of chapter 25 and start of chapter 26.
To be fair though he does shatter but because it's monochrome print we don't know if it's ice or stone. And considering he was killed by the Mage Killer it wouldn't surprise me if the thing could apply some level of Petrification. And as far as I'm aware he hasn't show up again in the manga since. What chapter does he return in? I'd like to see for myself if it really happens.
@NB_Tenchy He was showed in chapter 29 during Will's graduation and the next panel literally switches to Elfie pov. |
Sep 5, 12:52 AM
#47
MegamiRem said: @ejleon I literally started with saying it's a theory and not confirmed incase you forgot. But yes I personally think there's a good possibilty it's true and just have been backing it with whatever evidence I might have. I haven't been civil and direspectful? Wtf are you on about? Show me a sentence where I was heing uncivil/disrespectful. Except maybe the third rate writer I wrote to the other guy which was a figure of speech. I even stopped talking to both of you after giving a second reply yet for some reason both of you are hellbent on trying to drag me into this and keep arguing with me by quoting me multiple times even after that and on top of that now acuse me of being disrespectful/uncivil lmao. Okay, have a good day. ejleon said: Neither of you have come up with any good reasoning, your first post was literally just you misunderstanding things and I tried to make you understand but you didn't thus I gave up. Also I haven't been disrespectful to any of you. Infact you are the one who haven't read any of the things I have said, cause if you did you'd atleast know there weren't disrespectful words in there unless disagreeing with you guys is what you are calling disrepctful in that case idk lol. I literally even asked to stop bothering me but yet here you are keep dragging me into this.That other person has been really rude to both of us and just refuses to hear anything that disagrees with what they want to happen. They don’t appreciate good analysis and reasoning. I would just stop talking to them altogether. They do not know how to treat people and are not going apologize to either one of us. See how you only believe that you know everything? That’s the exact problem. |
Sep 5, 2:19 AM
#48
Probably Elfie's perfect clone with it's own will. (Which would explain the blood and his own hobbies.) There were ice shards falling from his hands after he got killed (body sliced in half) in chapter 25. Then we see him back in chapter 30 with ice shards floating around him. It's impossible to come back from death unless he's a clone. |
Sep 5, 10:31 AM
#49
Reply to MegamiRem
@NB_Tenchy
He was showed in chapter 29 during Will's graduation and the next panel literally switches to Elfie pov.
He was showed in chapter 29 during Will's graduation and the next panel literally switches to Elfie pov.
@MegamiRem Chapter 30 is wills graduation, not 29. And checking the chapter he does show up for 1 page but you're incorrect about it switching to Elfi's 'pov', the following scene is just a report by her secretary. Word definitions matter. So something occurred to me; If Will is the one who knows Elfi best, and assuming Rosty actually is an Elfi ice clone, why would Will not know she can do this? Also if Rosty is an ice clone, why is he an Artificer instead of a mage like Elfi? With how possessive she is of him it would make much more sense if Elfi made her ice clone enter the academy to follow Will up the tower, not necessarily help him in doing so but be there so she can watch him do it. From his(Will's) behavior he's completely ignorant to any ulterior motive and even the flagrant flirting Rosty throws his way. It also doesn't explain why he bleeds during his death scene. With the information we have right now, I'm of the opinion that the Rosty who dies is a Simulacrum and Rosty has more to do with Finn & Mercedes than Elfi. Rosty very well could be golem made by Cauldron who seems to favor Will both in the academy and during the faction selection arc. But an Elfi ice clone? No. Doesn't make sense. |
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