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Jul 26, 2024 7:33 PM
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I'm seeing a lot of people getting confused about this show or what its purpose is for existing. This show is what metallic rouge tried to be, questions piled up that will get answered later into the series or the next episode ( an example being why society treats their swords like their children). Take notes, it is pretty essential for shows like this. It will make things a bit clearer, especially with people who have work or school to attend, or people like me who kinda forget some details after a weeks wait.





Jul 26, 2024 7:41 PM
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It’s that or wait til the end of the season and binge it all?
Jul 26, 2024 9:15 PM
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It's so cryptic that I'm not even sure what I should be writing down, honestly.

I don't think it's that hard to get a rough idea of Belle's motivations, what happened, and how the world works.

But it's what the characters say that's the biggest problem for me. Everything the two-headed king tells Belle and the masked figure in Episode 3, for example. Also the lyrics to the song in the tavern. They're really vague and aren't particularly memorable or interesting, despite sounding faintly important and emotional.

Maybe they'll come back to those lines and they'll all make sense in the end, but it's just a shame that they're so difficult to latch on to right now. Or maybe they won't ever explain them.
Jul 27, 2024 8:50 PM
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A show that needs you to write down notes about it to be able to understand what's going on is doing something wrong.
Jul 27, 2024 11:57 PM
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Dude the lore is way too heavy in this for them to just gloss over it, they didn’t do a good job here.
Jul 28, 2024 6:51 AM
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A show that needs you to write down notes about it to be able to understand what's going on is doing something wrong.
@Euthymia_Gerv

Not really
Anime is easy to understand
But people just like tybical garbage shounen and don't want good and ambitious stories
They just stupid people
Aug 1, 2024 5:46 PM
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@Euthymia_Gerv

Not really
Anime is easy to understand
But people just like tybical garbage shounen and don't want good and ambitious stories
They just stupid people
@TGAvi LOL. Pretentious. Perhaps we should listen to the director's commentary to understand the any movie. My man is right the first time, any anime, movie, book, or otherwise that needs something else to explain and understand it is doing something wrong---in this case, it's just piss poor writing. But if i makes you feel better about yourself thinking the rest of us is "just stupid people," I've no issues with it. Doesn't change the fact that this anime's writing is piss poor and just glosses over everything.
Aug 2, 2024 12:44 PM
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@TGAvi LOL. Pretentious. Perhaps we should listen to the director's commentary to understand the any movie. My man is right the first time, any anime, movie, book, or otherwise that needs something else to explain and understand it is doing something wrong---in this case, it's just piss poor writing. But if i makes you feel better about yourself thinking the rest of us is "just stupid people," I've no issues with it. Doesn't change the fact that this anime's writing is piss poor and just glosses over everything.
@cdragon_88 There's value in not being handed everything on a plate. If you gotta sweat for your meal, it'll taste that sweeter. But that has to be added value, not the whole thing. If you can't grasp shit about the setting, characters, plot from start to finish, yeah you probably just crossed the piss poor writing frontier. Guess we'll need a few more episodes to settle on which of the two this is.
Aug 2, 2024 11:43 PM
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@cdragon_88 There's value in not being handed everything on a plate. If you gotta sweat for your meal, it'll taste that sweeter. But that has to be added value, not the whole thing. If you can't grasp shit about the setting, characters, plot from start to finish, yeah you probably just crossed the piss poor writing frontier. Guess we'll need a few more episodes to settle on which of the two this is.
@ZGUEGCHOV

What with how people praise Lain for the exact same stuff Bye Bye Earth has, alongside it's lack of spoon feeding, I think this really might be a show people should binge rather than wait for every week. I do think I'm actually understanding a fair bit for Bye Bye Earth? Though I think it might be the ADHD kicking in lmao

It's an esoteric premise for sure, and whilst there's a lot of talk on 'is this purposeful' or 'is it laziness / cut content'. I do think what with the nature of the direction, this is all purposeful. A lazy adaption would've made a half-assed attempt to explain world mechanics, but this anime doesn't and forgoes that. Going for the 'how to organically obtain information' route, with minimal narration.

90% of dialogue in media is explaining stuff, but without taking the actual personality and characters explaining stuff, into account. So for a show like this to take this direction is actually kinda neat. Conversations happen more naturally about things that happen rather than assume the MC has to be coddled like a baby.

Also something else I thought of: Why would the narration open up and explain the premise like you're at the beginning of the story, when the whole theme of this city is revolving around a forever-play that you're caught in the middle of? It strangely makes sense there's no real 'introduction' or narration in that aspect. It's thematically metaphorical.

Definitely needs more eps to see how things go. And even if it's not the best, it's definitely *interesting*.
Aug 14, 2024 3:05 AM

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@ZGUEGCHOV

What with how people praise Lain for the exact same stuff Bye Bye Earth has, alongside it's lack of spoon feeding, I think this really might be a show people should binge rather than wait for every week. I do think I'm actually understanding a fair bit for Bye Bye Earth? Though I think it might be the ADHD kicking in lmao

It's an esoteric premise for sure, and whilst there's a lot of talk on 'is this purposeful' or 'is it laziness / cut content'. I do think what with the nature of the direction, this is all purposeful. A lazy adaption would've made a half-assed attempt to explain world mechanics, but this anime doesn't and forgoes that. Going for the 'how to organically obtain information' route, with minimal narration.

90% of dialogue in media is explaining stuff, but without taking the actual personality and characters explaining stuff, into account. So for a show like this to take this direction is actually kinda neat. Conversations happen more naturally about things that happen rather than assume the MC has to be coddled like a baby.

Also something else I thought of: Why would the narration open up and explain the premise like you're at the beginning of the story, when the whole theme of this city is revolving around a forever-play that you're caught in the middle of? It strangely makes sense there's no real 'introduction' or narration in that aspect. It's thematically metaphorical.

Definitely needs more eps to see how things go. And even if it's not the best, it's definitely *interesting*.
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I do think I'm actually understanding a fair bit for Bye Bye Earth?



The very PROBLEM is that you only THINK you understand it.

Also this is something that Japan culture loves to gobble up, these kind of pretentious "cool sounding but deep" shit. All of the sentences in this show are like that. How many Japanese games for example start with vague and bullshit sentences that are suppose to be some kind of foreshadowing or introduction to "set the mood", or some Latin or philosophical nonsense because it sounds cool and deep or ominous. This is a clear mark of incompetent writer.
Compare this to something from Naoki Urasawa, who uses some of these things but in a more meaningful and logical way. You don't really understand much in the beginning and for every answer you get at least two more questions, but he competently uses show don't tell and isn't too exposition heavy. He also uses metaphors, but instead of just throwing a random bullshit sentence that you are suppose to have mind reading abilities to know what the author actually meant to say, he either shows it or have it linger in the scene and be connected to what is actually happening giving it context instead of just skipping it over and going on the next scene leaving you confused what that actually meant because the writer isn't competent enough to present it to you in a meaningful way.
And this show is full of this, we don't know anything about the world or characters and we have these arbitrary rules that are just pooping up in every episode instead of at least trying to establish some kind of logic behind them.
Aug 14, 2024 7:58 PM

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VoidDaddy said:
I do think I'm actually understanding a fair bit for Bye Bye Earth?



The very PROBLEM is that you only THINK you understand it.

Also this is something that Japan culture loves to gobble up, these kind of pretentious "cool sounding but deep" shit. All of the sentences in this show are like that. How many Japanese games for example start with vague and bullshit sentences that are suppose to be some kind of foreshadowing or introduction to "set the mood", or some Latin or philosophical nonsense because it sounds cool and deep or ominous. This is a clear mark of incompetent writer.
Compare this to something from Naoki Urasawa, who uses some of these things but in a more meaningful and logical way. You don't really understand much in the beginning and for every answer you get at least two more questions, but he competently uses show don't tell and isn't too exposition heavy. He also uses metaphors, but instead of just throwing a random bullshit sentence that you are suppose to have mind reading abilities to know what the author actually meant to say, he either shows it or have it linger in the scene and be connected to what is actually happening giving it context instead of just skipping it over and going on the next scene leaving you confused what that actually meant because the writer isn't competent enough to present it to you in a meaningful way.
And this show is full of this, we don't know anything about the world or characters and we have these arbitrary rules that are just pooping up in every episode instead of at least trying to establish some kind of logic behind them.
@Malisa90

'This show is dumb and poops arbitrary rules every episode-- but not when this other guy does it, it's actually logical and very smart!'

This is how that whole paragraph sounded to me. lmao Literally just double standards. You can't turn around and say some shows can be good because of 'X' thing but 'oh not this show, this show isn't doing this in a meaningful enough way'.

'You don't really understand much in the beginning', 'Show don't tell', 'For every answer you get at least two more questions', 'Uses metaphors'. All these things, aw geez, I wonder where I've heard this from. I wonder where I got this sense of deja vu from?

Oh wow! Could it possibly be that the examples you've laid out as praise-worthy are exactly the same as the anime this forum topic is about; making this entire thing something merely opinion based? With the compared creator having made one of your favourite anime, and thus indicating bias? Much less the fact basically all of these things - that I have already said in my original post - were also storytelling devices the show did?

... Nahhh, couldn't possibly be that, right? Cause that'd imply you just skimmed the show and my comment without reading into things.
Aug 15, 2024 2:33 PM

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It's pretty easy for me to understand.
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Sep 4, 2024 6:44 PM

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It's pretty easy for me to understand.
@MasterHavik how?
Sep 4, 2024 7:23 PM

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@Malisa90

'This show is dumb and poops arbitrary rules every episode-- but not when this other guy does it, it's actually logical and very smart!'

This is how that whole paragraph sounded to me. lmao Literally just double standards. You can't turn around and say some shows can be good because of 'X' thing but 'oh not this show, this show isn't doing this in a meaningful enough way'.

'You don't really understand much in the beginning', 'Show don't tell', 'For every answer you get at least two more questions', 'Uses metaphors'. All these things, aw geez, I wonder where I've heard this from. I wonder where I got this sense of deja vu from?

Oh wow! Could it possibly be that the examples you've laid out as praise-worthy are exactly the same as the anime this forum topic is about; making this entire thing something merely opinion based? With the compared creator having made one of your favourite anime, and thus indicating bias? Much less the fact basically all of these things - that I have already said in my original post - were also storytelling devices the show did?

... Nahhh, couldn't possibly be that, right? Cause that'd imply you just skimmed the show and my comment without reading into things.
@VoidDaddy that is definitely not what Malisa90 said or wrote, I suggest you to read it again but this time actually have your face towards the screen instead of your ass.

Your whole writing sounds like a reddit snob, this show doesn't use "Show don't tell", it mostly uses non-explained arbitrary terms from unknown foreign languages that aren't even rightly written in the original language, if you need to know said foreign language to understand even a single line in the story it is concidered bad writing, and the whole "translation" bullshit actually pisses me off extremely; I hear the character say "Kenshi"(剣士), I look for different kanjis to see if "Kenshi" is used in any other context besides 剣士 and find none other meaningful substitutes, AND I LOOK AT THE TRANSLATION WHERE IT SAYS "SOLOIST", THE MEANING FOR IT IS SWORDSMAN OR FENCER GODDAMNIT, HOW IS THAT A TRANSLATION MISTAKE? And you're here, snobbing at people as if you're able to understand even the speck of the story without looking at the source material or some other way of help, can you tell me what Nidhogg means without Googling it? Because surely I can't and neither can the writer of the actual story(since the person in question is probably Japanese).

So the summary is poor writing both from the director and the translators(not the actual LN story writer) are making this story slowly non-comprehensible.

Let me make it clear once more that it is the director's fault that most people can't understand the story and it's not the fault of words or terms that are used and explained in the source material just to be extra sure, since you act like a snob you're guaranteed to nitpick some mistake in my writing, so I should be extra sure by explaining that I'm not trying to sully your so-called "favourite story" by the name of "Bye Bye Earth".(I haven't read the source material but I've found multiple comments about how they're just skipping explanations/cutting content from people who have read it.)
Sep 4, 2024 7:32 PM

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It's so cryptic that I'm not even sure what I should be writing down, honestly.

I don't think it's that hard to get a rough idea of Belle's motivations, what happened, and how the world works.

But it's what the characters say that's the biggest problem for me. Everything the two-headed king tells Belle and the masked figure in Episode 3, for example. Also the lyrics to the song in the tavern. They're really vague and aren't particularly memorable or interesting, despite sounding faintly important and emotional.

Maybe they'll come back to those lines and they'll all make sense in the end, but it's just a shame that they're so difficult to latch on to right now. Or maybe they won't ever explain them.
@perseii I read somewhere that it wasn't supposed to be as criptic as it is, and if it was adapted better it would've made a 10/10 anime.

I think we were supposed to understand the motives and thought-processes but they gave up on explaining key factors, and if that's true it's a big minus for me...
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@p1ec3ful I'm just used to complex storytelling. I also love to write.
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@p1ec3ful I'm just used to complex storytelling. I also love to write.
@MasterHavik if you were really used* to complex storytelling then you would've realised the fallacies this anime has undergone through incompetent storytelling, you do realise the translation sucks ass right? They translated swordsman as "soloist" so you being able to understand sounds ridiculous, even I can't understand the story when I'm fluent in Japanese, I both listen the lines and read the subs but they fail to make sense, I was under the assumption that you were American since you had Chicago, IL in your profile and were watching it in subs/dubs but perhaps I was mistaken. Now if I may ask again, would you care to explain how you understood the storyline that is not only mostly weirdly translated also but which has weird stretches and far-fetches in its worldbuilding while not given any reasonable or logical explanation through the animation or the storytelling aspect of it for the said things?

The story itself just feels like it's trying to act in a meaningful way but the most important "meaning" aspect is almost everytime left behind or falls short, I can only state that I have doubts you found it "easy for you to understand" since you're only "use to complex storytelling". There are a lot of things left out unexplained or rushed through the storyline, your explanation for being able to understand just falls short at least from my perspective...

From what I've been seeing watching this anime for 8 episodes, my only thought was "I wonder if the source material was written better...".

By the way I must suggest you to look at most of my top-scored animes since I'm also used to complex storytelling, I'm just not so much of an easy prey to it enough to like a story only because it has just complicated storytelling.
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@MasterHavik if you were really used* to complex storytelling then you would've realised the fallacies this anime has undergone through incompetent storytelling, you do realise the translation sucks ass right? They translated swordsman as "soloist" so you being able to understand sounds ridiculous, even I can't understand the story when I'm fluent in Japanese, I both listen the lines and read the subs but they fail to make sense, I was under the assumption that you were American since you had Chicago, IL in your profile and were watching it in subs/dubs but perhaps I was mistaken. Now if I may ask again, would you care to explain how you understood the storyline that is not only mostly weirdly translated also but which has weird stretches and far-fetches in its worldbuilding while not given any reasonable or logical explanation through the animation or the storytelling aspect of it for the said things?

The story itself just feels like it's trying to act in a meaningful way but the most important "meaning" aspect is almost everytime left behind or falls short, I can only state that I have doubts you found it "easy for you to understand" since you're only "use to complex storytelling". There are a lot of things left out unexplained or rushed through the storyline, your explanation for being able to understand just falls short at least from my perspective...

From what I've been seeing watching this anime for 8 episodes, my only thought was "I wonder if the source material was written better...".

By the way I must suggest you to look at most of my top-scored animes since I'm also used to complex storytelling, I'm just not so much of an easy prey to it enough to like a story only because it has just complicated storytelling.
@p1ec3ful I'm not fully caught up due to real life...but I'm from Chicago...and I'm watching the show subbed as I don't have this one on my delayed dub watch. I got two other shows for that. I would like to hear the dub but eh maybe later. I'm watching it in Japanese....I don't think the translation is that bad outside of two errors I caught it's petty easy to understand and very easy to follow. But it's pretty clear she is setting out on her own to become a nomad while having a sword that can't really harm humans. The value and look of your sword matters if that shit breaks it's back to square one. I'm used to complex storytelling but this story isn't that hard to understand at all. It's pretty straightforward for me but I have a keen eye and catch things others can't.

Listen my guy it's fine if you don't like and want to check out the source material but dial it back some if other people are liking it. I have this show in the running for Anime of the Year due to how good it is.
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@p1ec3ful I'm not fully caught up due to real life...but I'm from Chicago...and I'm watching the show subbed as I don't have this one on my delayed dub watch. I got two other shows for that. I would like to hear the dub but eh maybe later. I'm watching it in Japanese....I don't think the translation is that bad outside of two errors I caught it's petty easy to understand and very easy to follow. But it's pretty clear she is setting out on her own to become a nomad while having a sword that can't really harm humans. The value and look of your sword matters if that shit breaks it's back to square one. I'm used to complex storytelling but this story isn't that hard to understand at all. It's pretty straightforward for me but I have a keen eye and catch things others can't.

Listen my guy it's fine if you don't like and want to check out the source material but dial it back some if other people are liking it. I have this show in the running for Anime of the Year due to how good it is.
@MasterHavik wait, those things you stated aren't even in the "complex" or "non-understood" parts of this anime...
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@MasterHavik wait, those things you stated aren't even in the "complex" or "non-understood" parts of this anime...
@p1ec3ful Yeah...and? I am going to watch the show after the football game. I gotta catch up anyway.
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Yelp, that's what I've been doing all this while.

And I STILL don't understand the minute details, despite understanding a bit on the world building in general.
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@p1ec3ful Yeah...and? I am going to watch the show after the football game. I gotta catch up anyway.
@MasterHavik I'm waiting for a response when you catch up then.
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@MasterHavik I'm waiting for a response when you catch up then.
@p1ec3ful all right then see you in a few hours.
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@MasterHavik I'm waiting for a response when you catch up then.
@p1ec3ful It took a little longer. I'm all caught up though. So tell me...what is confusing you?
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@MasterHavik I'm waiting for a response when you catch up then.
@p1ec3ful It took a little longer. I'm all caught up though. So tell me...what is confusing you? Like...I am asking straight up. This isn't that complex but very easy to follow.
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@p1ec3ful It took a little longer. I'm all caught up though. So tell me...what is confusing you? Like...I am asking straight up. This isn't that complex but very easy to follow.
@MasterHavik I find it confusing that the anime says somewhat "meaningful" things, then doesn't care to explain them and jumps to a different scene, it's been more than a week and I don't really remember but they basically just gloss over everything that is meaningful to the story and not explain them, throwing terms that doesn't really make sense here and there and not explaining them when even the main character doesn't know the terms, noone explains anything, they just gloss over it and act like nothing happened and Voilà; the arc ended by killing something...
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@p1ec3ful It took a little longer. I'm all caught up though. So tell me...what is confusing you? Like...I am asking straight up. This isn't that complex but very easy to follow.
@MasterHavik aight first off

Without these explained the anime feels shallow.
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@MasterHavik aight first off

Without these explained the anime feels shallow.
@p1ec3ful No it doesn't and I feel the main issue I have seen with this anime is people not taking time to think it through. Even with finishing the first season, I come away with an even better understanding of most things. While it isn't perfect, it isn't that hard. For example, I don't think I fully get doubts yet.

-Because you need something to overcome if you wish to be one. It's not for free and what we have seen so far, the ones who have some type of sin they're paying for is the one suffering from a cruse. Before you ask," Then why did Belle not make the journey?" Because she didn't want to leave behind everything she has built up in Park City. She couldn't let go. She would also need to accept the curse for good as right now hers isn't forever.

-That's pretty easy too as the ashes come from the earth as that is a natural resource. This world has establish itself as magic centric.

-Growing as in creating and making swords as they not only explain how important a sword but it takes a lot to grow one. It's properly explained and honesty one of the few things they spend a lot of time on.

-I am guessing that is for later as they haven't explain it.

-Magic my guy it's not that hard. We're in a high fantasy world. This is like asking why there are zombie dogs in RE. Also keep in mind Tiz was the leader of them and pretty controlling that army of zombies. These zombies were the magic type you find in Voodoo lore where a leader is controlling the dead with spells.

-They haven't explore why but it seems to be the ones who want power after failing. That's just a guess though. For Adonis, they will explain more but to me it is pretty simple. They were able to change his cruse, so everything he touches doesn't turn to rust and decay. Also since him and Belle can't go all the way this makes him lost and aimless. It's clear he being taken advantage of by Sianc and Dram.(I think I got her name right.).

-Well who exactly? I felt they could have done a better job showing the aftermath after Belle's first battle. But who else? The big scary dude was someone Belle beat and he was back for revenge. Gwen and Ali? They're just Belle's friends. The same with Sherry, along with being the vocalist. I think everyone serves their role well.

This series isn't that hard to understand but there are some minor issues with it.
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@p1ec3ful No it doesn't and I feel the main issue I have seen with this anime is people not taking time to think it through. Even with finishing the first season, I come away with an even better understanding of most things. While it isn't perfect, it isn't that hard. For example, I don't think I fully get doubts yet.

-Because you need something to overcome if you wish to be one. It's not for free and what we have seen so far, the ones who have some type of sin they're paying for is the one suffering from a cruse. Before you ask," Then why did Belle not make the journey?" Because she didn't want to leave behind everything she has built up in Park City. She couldn't let go. She would also need to accept the curse for good as right now hers isn't forever.

-That's pretty easy too as the ashes come from the earth as that is a natural resource. This world has establish itself as magic centric.

-Growing as in creating and making swords as they not only explain how important a sword but it takes a lot to grow one. It's properly explained and honesty one of the few things they spend a lot of time on.

-I am guessing that is for later as they haven't explain it.

-Magic my guy it's not that hard. We're in a high fantasy world. This is like asking why there are zombie dogs in RE. Also keep in mind Tiz was the leader of them and pretty controlling that army of zombies. These zombies were the magic type you find in Voodoo lore where a leader is controlling the dead with spells.

-They haven't explore why but it seems to be the ones who want power after failing. That's just a guess though. For Adonis, they will explain more but to me it is pretty simple. They were able to change his cruse, so everything he touches doesn't turn to rust and decay. Also since him and Belle can't go all the way this makes him lost and aimless. It's clear he being taken advantage of by Sianc and Dram.(I think I got her name right.).

-Well who exactly? I felt they could have done a better job showing the aftermath after Belle's first battle. But who else? The big scary dude was someone Belle beat and he was back for revenge. Gwen and Ali? They're just Belle's friends. The same with Sherry, along with being the vocalist. I think everyone serves their role well.

This series isn't that hard to understand but there are some minor issues with it.
@MasterHavik I guess there's no need to use spoilers, and as a foreigner I refuse to believe that you're a native English speaker who lives in "Chicago, IL" and writes stories for fun with that many English mistakes.

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-That's pretty easy too as the ashes come from the earth as that is a natural resource. This world has establish itself as magic centric.
-The ashes are produced through Nidhoggs(or that's what I've heard/read on somewhere).

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-Because you need something to overcome if you wish to be one. It's not for free and what we have seen so far the ones who that have some type of sin they're paying for.
-There's NORMALLY no need to burden a curse when going on a journey, the curses somehow can be negated and be dealt with in the so called "magic and fantasy" world we see in the anime, so there's a reason and a mechanic for the curses besides "it not being free", the price you pay when going for a journey normally speaking is already set as the bonds you made at the place you were before.

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Before you ask," Then why did Belle not make the journey?" Because she didn't want to leave behind everything she has built up in Park City. She couldn't let go. She would also need to accept the curse for good as right now hers isn't forever.
I wouldn't ask that since it was made obvious by the "shadows" we see and the words she said, she's not ready to say goodbye because she feels that her job isn't done yet at that place yet(we're not informed what she thinks her job is but that's unnecesary since even the MC still doesn't know it). It was extremely obvious but thanks for explaining anyways I guess...

MasterHavik said:
-Growing as in creating and making swords as they not only explain how important an a sword but it takes a lot to grow one. It's properly explained and honesty one of the few things they spend a lot of time on.
They didn't spend ANY time to explain the mechanic itself, they just spent the time stating that it just carried a lot of honour and importance to the swordsmen(or "soloists" if you prefer even if it sounds stupid) and we actually see the answer to my question about this in the end of the show, by growing they meant changing and bringing the true form of the sword magically, they didn't explain or show this until the last episode where Adonis actually grows his own sword with Sian. They also show Sian buying a sword so it's not like they "grow" it from the start either so at least so far seeing your answers I guess you also didn't understand the mechanics of the show and are just speculating things, I started digressing let's continue

MasterHavik said:
-I am guessing that is for later as they haven't explain it.
(Question of Belle's necklace)I read somewhere that it was in order to show the time of the day changing so it's like a clock for the people in that world I guess, at least it very well feels meaningless since Kitty The All has an actual pocketwatch which means there's other ways to see the time... Just unnecessary though...

MasterHavik said:
-Magic my guy we're in a high fantasy world this is like asking why there are zombie dogs in RE. also keep in mind Tiz was the leader of them and pretty controlling that army of zombies. These zombies were the magic type you find in Voodoo lore whee they control the dead with spells.
Explaining plotlines or plotholes with just "Magic my guy" is in my opinion poor story-writing and telling but nonetheless...
Not all zombies were controlled by Tiz, Sian and the mermaid who makes swords(forgot her name) also gave Adonis a hurde of zombies... At first they explained zombies' source as if it was the job of a Nidhogg(which is also the Tree God itself somehow?) but after we see Adonis have a hurde without being a Nidhogg it gets complicated, so the source is unexplained but they're there since Belle needs some enemies to slay I guess... It is also confusing why Belle doesn't act against the Tree God since she deduced that it was the Tree God itself who was creating Nidhoggs in order to feed on individuals' lives and lost a lot of comrades just to fight Nidhoggs because "god said so"(Sian and the mermaid did state that she's(Belle) somehow one of the first god's creations even before the other gods and the Tree God itself which from it can be deduced that Belle is much more important and stronger than the Tree God and the Tree God is not an omnipotent god who adresses rules that can't be overwritten but that point in the story actually makes everything make even less sense since she somehow had to take on a curse, I digress again...).

MasterHavik said:
p1ec3ful said:
Why does the tree make Nidhoggs and why did Adonis betray Belle?
-They haven't explode why but it seems to be the ones who want power after failing. That's just a guess though. For Adonis, they will explain more but to me it is pretty simple. They were able to change his cruse so everything he touches doesn't turn to rust and decay. Also since him and Belle can't go all the way he is lost and aimless. It's clear he being taken advantage of by Sianc and Dram.(I think I got her name right.).
I sure hope they don't explode, sorry about that LOL
Alright, so lemme explain, they quote unquote "kinda" glossed over it as if the Tree God is feeding through the Nidhoggs but it's not certain since they just glossed over it and noone does anything even after knowing or not knowing, can't be certain and can't be sure though, it's left very vague just like every single thing in this anime...
As for the betrayal of Adonis I don't think it's only because he can't touch Belle, it HAS to do something with the ashes and the "god" since prior to the incident of the Centaur(with the ashes, swords and the Nidhoggs) they seemed cool with eachother and he didn't have any plans to betray her until that, the only thing I'm sure is that you're completely wrong about this so far but at least we agree on that he's being taken advantage of for the moment.

MasterHavik said:
-Well who exactly? I felt they couldn't done a better job showing the aftermath after Belle's first battle but who else? The big scary dude was someone Belle beat and he was back for revenge. Gwen and Ali? They're just Belle friends same with Sherry along with being the vocalist. I think everyone serves their role well.
Tiziano or the centaur or every "underdog" besides the ones who got their sword broken, the zombies. If they're not in the main storyline then it's left mostly blank. I don't know who you mean by "the big scary dude", it brings "the minotaurus who was the boyfriend of Benedictine and died through hubris" to my mind and if you mean so I didn't mean him. I don't remember who Gwen and Ali were to be honest and I couldn't find them in the characters page either, it has been weeks since the start of the anime, I hope you won't mind me forgetting some characters, I remember Sherry though, she's the princess yeah... Well I guess they aren't as memorable as I thought they were, wish they had some actual settings to make them memorable though...

MasterHavik said:
This series isn't that hard to understand but there are some minor issues with it.
I think these issues aren't as minor as you make them to be but I guess everyone for their own opinion or some other English idiom I forgot... Did we really watch the same anime?
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It's pretty easy for me to understand.
@MasterHavik I think you should at least check other comments...
KANLen09 said:
Yelp, that's what I've been doing all this while.

And I STILL don't understand the minute details, despite understanding a bit on the world building in general.
TokeiSenpai said:
Dude the lore is way too heavy in this for them to just gloss over it, they didn’t do a good job here.
Euthymia_Gerv said:
A show that needs you to write down notes about it to be able to understand what's going on is doing something wrong.
perseii said:
It's so cryptic that I'm not even sure what I should be writing down, honestly.

I don't think it's that hard to get a rough idea of Belle's motivations, what happened, and how the world works.

But it's what the characters say that's the biggest problem for me. Everything the two-headed king tells Belle and the masked figure in Episode 3, for example. Also the lyrics to the song in the tavern. They're really vague and aren't particularly memorable or interesting, despite sounding faintly important and emotional.

Maybe they'll come back to those lines and they'll all make sense in the end, but it's just a shame that they're so difficult to latch on to right now. Or maybe they won't ever explain them.
Sorry for the mention people...

Out of all these people only you;
MasterHavik said:
It's pretty easy for me to understand.
being able to understand seems rather pretty ridiculous to me at least... Everyone understands small details about the worldbuilding, that's easy for anyone, even a child could understand.

I think you miss a lot of points that people are in question of, and I am somehow unable to make these questions apparent to you at the very least... I am sorry about that.
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@MasterHavik I think you should at least check other comments...
KANLen09 said:
Yelp, that's what I've been doing all this while.

And I STILL don't understand the minute details, despite understanding a bit on the world building in general.
TokeiSenpai said:
Dude the lore is way too heavy in this for them to just gloss over it, they didn’t do a good job here.
Euthymia_Gerv said:
A show that needs you to write down notes about it to be able to understand what's going on is doing something wrong.
perseii said:
It's so cryptic that I'm not even sure what I should be writing down, honestly.

I don't think it's that hard to get a rough idea of Belle's motivations, what happened, and how the world works.

But it's what the characters say that's the biggest problem for me. Everything the two-headed king tells Belle and the masked figure in Episode 3, for example. Also the lyrics to the song in the tavern. They're really vague and aren't particularly memorable or interesting, despite sounding faintly important and emotional.

Maybe they'll come back to those lines and they'll all make sense in the end, but it's just a shame that they're so difficult to latch on to right now. Or maybe they won't ever explain them.
Sorry for the mention people...

Out of all these people only you;
MasterHavik said:
It's pretty easy for me to understand.
being able to understand seems rather pretty ridiculous to me at least... Everyone understands small details about the worldbuilding, that's easy for anyone, even a child could understand.

I think you miss a lot of points that people are in question of, and I am somehow unable to make these questions apparent to you at the very least... I am sorry about that.
@p1ec3ful No you're fine at the end of the day we will all have different opinions. I find it very easy to follow. I was wrong to say it was complex storytelling, it's not that at all. I think the issue here is that fans are used to being told everything context clues and reading in between the lines is not something a lot of shows do.
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@MasterHavik I guess there's no need to use spoilers, and as a foreigner I refuse to believe that you're a native English speaker who lives in "Chicago, IL" and writes stories for fun with that many English mistakes.

MasterHavik said:
-That's pretty easy too as the ashes come from the earth as that is a natural resource. This world has establish itself as magic centric.
-The ashes are produced through Nidhoggs(or that's what I've heard/read on somewhere).

MasterHavik said:
-Because you need something to overcome if you wish to be one. It's not for free and what we have seen so far the ones who that have some type of sin they're paying for.
-There's NORMALLY no need to burden a curse when going on a journey, the curses somehow can be negated and be dealt with in the so called "magic and fantasy" world we see in the anime, so there's a reason and a mechanic for the curses besides "it not being free", the price you pay when going for a journey normally speaking is already set as the bonds you made at the place you were before.

MasterHavik said:
Before you ask," Then why did Belle not make the journey?" Because she didn't want to leave behind everything she has built up in Park City. She couldn't let go. She would also need to accept the curse for good as right now hers isn't forever.
I wouldn't ask that since it was made obvious by the "shadows" we see and the words she said, she's not ready to say goodbye because she feels that her job isn't done yet at that place yet(we're not informed what she thinks her job is but that's unnecesary since even the MC still doesn't know it). It was extremely obvious but thanks for explaining anyways I guess...

MasterHavik said:
-Growing as in creating and making swords as they not only explain how important an a sword but it takes a lot to grow one. It's properly explained and honesty one of the few things they spend a lot of time on.
They didn't spend ANY time to explain the mechanic itself, they just spent the time stating that it just carried a lot of honour and importance to the swordsmen(or "soloists" if you prefer even if it sounds stupid) and we actually see the answer to my question about this in the end of the show, by growing they meant changing and bringing the true form of the sword magically, they didn't explain or show this until the last episode where Adonis actually grows his own sword with Sian. They also show Sian buying a sword so it's not like they "grow" it from the start either so at least so far seeing your answers I guess you also didn't understand the mechanics of the show and are just speculating things, I started digressing let's continue

MasterHavik said:
-I am guessing that is for later as they haven't explain it.
(Question of Belle's necklace)I read somewhere that it was in order to show the time of the day changing so it's like a clock for the people in that world I guess, at least it very well feels meaningless since Kitty The All has an actual pocketwatch which means there's other ways to see the time... Just unnecessary though...

MasterHavik said:
-Magic my guy we're in a high fantasy world this is like asking why there are zombie dogs in RE. also keep in mind Tiz was the leader of them and pretty controlling that army of zombies. These zombies were the magic type you find in Voodoo lore whee they control the dead with spells.
Explaining plotlines or plotholes with just "Magic my guy" is in my opinion poor story-writing and telling but nonetheless...
Not all zombies were controlled by Tiz, Sian and the mermaid who makes swords(forgot her name) also gave Adonis a hurde of zombies... At first they explained zombies' source as if it was the job of a Nidhogg(which is also the Tree God itself somehow?) but after we see Adonis have a hurde without being a Nidhogg it gets complicated, so the source is unexplained but they're there since Belle needs some enemies to slay I guess... It is also confusing why Belle doesn't act against the Tree God since she deduced that it was the Tree God itself who was creating Nidhoggs in order to feed on individuals' lives and lost a lot of comrades just to fight Nidhoggs because "god said so"(Sian and the mermaid did state that she's(Belle) somehow one of the first god's creations even before the other gods and the Tree God itself which from it can be deduced that Belle is much more important and stronger than the Tree God and the Tree God is not an omnipotent god who adresses rules that can't be overwritten but that point in the story actually makes everything make even less sense since she somehow had to take on a curse, I digress again...).

MasterHavik said:
p1ec3ful said:
Why does the tree make Nidhoggs and why did Adonis betray Belle?
-They haven't explode why but it seems to be the ones who want power after failing. That's just a guess though. For Adonis, they will explain more but to me it is pretty simple. They were able to change his cruse so everything he touches doesn't turn to rust and decay. Also since him and Belle can't go all the way he is lost and aimless. It's clear he being taken advantage of by Sianc and Dram.(I think I got her name right.).
I sure hope they don't explode, sorry about that LOL
Alright, so lemme explain, they quote unquote "kinda" glossed over it as if the Tree God is feeding through the Nidhoggs but it's not certain since they just glossed over it and noone does anything even after knowing or not knowing, can't be certain and can't be sure though, it's left very vague just like every single thing in this anime...
As for the betrayal of Adonis I don't think it's only because he can't touch Belle, it HAS to do something with the ashes and the "god" since prior to the incident of the Centaur(with the ashes, swords and the Nidhoggs) they seemed cool with eachother and he didn't have any plans to betray her until that, the only thing I'm sure is that you're completely wrong about this so far but at least we agree on that he's being taken advantage of for the moment.

MasterHavik said:
-Well who exactly? I felt they couldn't done a better job showing the aftermath after Belle's first battle but who else? The big scary dude was someone Belle beat and he was back for revenge. Gwen and Ali? They're just Belle friends same with Sherry along with being the vocalist. I think everyone serves their role well.
Tiziano or the centaur or every "underdog" besides the ones who got their sword broken, the zombies. If they're not in the main storyline then it's left mostly blank. I don't know who you mean by "the big scary dude", it brings "the minotaurus who was the boyfriend of Benedictine and died through hubris" to my mind and if you mean so I didn't mean him. I don't remember who Gwen and Ali were to be honest and I couldn't find them in the characters page either, it has been weeks since the start of the anime, I hope you won't mind me forgetting some characters, I remember Sherry though, she's the princess yeah... Well I guess they aren't as memorable as I thought they were, wish they had some actual settings to make them memorable though...

MasterHavik said:
This series isn't that hard to understand but there are some minor issues with it.
I think these issues aren't as minor as you make them to be but I guess everyone for their own opinion or some other English idiom I forgot... Did we really watch the same anime?
@MasterHavik yeah with my comment in this;
p1ec3ful said:
I think these issues aren't as minor as you make them to be but I guess everyone for their own opinion or some other English idiom I forgot... Did we really watch the same anime?
I explained every small problem about your explanations, it's a bit long and a complex comment but I encourage you to read it, since it points out a lot of your misunderstandings about the storyline, checked other discussions you created too and I can confidently say that this anime is garbage after reading other comments too...
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@MasterHavik I guess there's no need to use spoilers, and as a foreigner I refuse to believe that you're a native English speaker who lives in "Chicago, IL" and writes stories for fun with that many English mistakes.

MasterHavik said:
-That's pretty easy too as the ashes come from the earth as that is a natural resource. This world has establish itself as magic centric.
-The ashes are produced through Nidhoggs(or that's what I've heard/read on somewhere).

MasterHavik said:
-Because you need something to overcome if you wish to be one. It's not for free and what we have seen so far the ones who that have some type of sin they're paying for.
-There's NORMALLY no need to burden a curse when going on a journey, the curses somehow can be negated and be dealt with in the so called "magic and fantasy" world we see in the anime, so there's a reason and a mechanic for the curses besides "it not being free", the price you pay when going for a journey normally speaking is already set as the bonds you made at the place you were before.

MasterHavik said:
Before you ask," Then why did Belle not make the journey?" Because she didn't want to leave behind everything she has built up in Park City. She couldn't let go. She would also need to accept the curse for good as right now hers isn't forever.
I wouldn't ask that since it was made obvious by the "shadows" we see and the words she said, she's not ready to say goodbye because she feels that her job isn't done yet at that place yet(we're not informed what she thinks her job is but that's unnecesary since even the MC still doesn't know it). It was extremely obvious but thanks for explaining anyways I guess...

MasterHavik said:
-Growing as in creating and making swords as they not only explain how important an a sword but it takes a lot to grow one. It's properly explained and honesty one of the few things they spend a lot of time on.
They didn't spend ANY time to explain the mechanic itself, they just spent the time stating that it just carried a lot of honour and importance to the swordsmen(or "soloists" if you prefer even if it sounds stupid) and we actually see the answer to my question about this in the end of the show, by growing they meant changing and bringing the true form of the sword magically, they didn't explain or show this until the last episode where Adonis actually grows his own sword with Sian. They also show Sian buying a sword so it's not like they "grow" it from the start either so at least so far seeing your answers I guess you also didn't understand the mechanics of the show and are just speculating things, I started digressing let's continue

MasterHavik said:
-I am guessing that is for later as they haven't explain it.
(Question of Belle's necklace)I read somewhere that it was in order to show the time of the day changing so it's like a clock for the people in that world I guess, at least it very well feels meaningless since Kitty The All has an actual pocketwatch which means there's other ways to see the time... Just unnecessary though...

MasterHavik said:
-Magic my guy we're in a high fantasy world this is like asking why there are zombie dogs in RE. also keep in mind Tiz was the leader of them and pretty controlling that army of zombies. These zombies were the magic type you find in Voodoo lore whee they control the dead with spells.
Explaining plotlines or plotholes with just "Magic my guy" is in my opinion poor story-writing and telling but nonetheless...
Not all zombies were controlled by Tiz, Sian and the mermaid who makes swords(forgot her name) also gave Adonis a hurde of zombies... At first they explained zombies' source as if it was the job of a Nidhogg(which is also the Tree God itself somehow?) but after we see Adonis have a hurde without being a Nidhogg it gets complicated, so the source is unexplained but they're there since Belle needs some enemies to slay I guess... It is also confusing why Belle doesn't act against the Tree God since she deduced that it was the Tree God itself who was creating Nidhoggs in order to feed on individuals' lives and lost a lot of comrades just to fight Nidhoggs because "god said so"(Sian and the mermaid did state that she's(Belle) somehow one of the first god's creations even before the other gods and the Tree God itself which from it can be deduced that Belle is much more important and stronger than the Tree God and the Tree God is not an omnipotent god who adresses rules that can't be overwritten but that point in the story actually makes everything make even less sense since she somehow had to take on a curse, I digress again...).

MasterHavik said:
p1ec3ful said:
Why does the tree make Nidhoggs and why did Adonis betray Belle?
-They haven't explode why but it seems to be the ones who want power after failing. That's just a guess though. For Adonis, they will explain more but to me it is pretty simple. They were able to change his cruse so everything he touches doesn't turn to rust and decay. Also since him and Belle can't go all the way he is lost and aimless. It's clear he being taken advantage of by Sianc and Dram.(I think I got her name right.).
I sure hope they don't explode, sorry about that LOL
Alright, so lemme explain, they quote unquote "kinda" glossed over it as if the Tree God is feeding through the Nidhoggs but it's not certain since they just glossed over it and noone does anything even after knowing or not knowing, can't be certain and can't be sure though, it's left very vague just like every single thing in this anime...
As for the betrayal of Adonis I don't think it's only because he can't touch Belle, it HAS to do something with the ashes and the "god" since prior to the incident of the Centaur(with the ashes, swords and the Nidhoggs) they seemed cool with eachother and he didn't have any plans to betray her until that, the only thing I'm sure is that you're completely wrong about this so far but at least we agree on that he's being taken advantage of for the moment.

MasterHavik said:
-Well who exactly? I felt they couldn't done a better job showing the aftermath after Belle's first battle but who else? The big scary dude was someone Belle beat and he was back for revenge. Gwen and Ali? They're just Belle friends same with Sherry along with being the vocalist. I think everyone serves their role well.
Tiziano or the centaur or every "underdog" besides the ones who got their sword broken, the zombies. If they're not in the main storyline then it's left mostly blank. I don't know who you mean by "the big scary dude", it brings "the minotaurus who was the boyfriend of Benedictine and died through hubris" to my mind and if you mean so I didn't mean him. I don't remember who Gwen and Ali were to be honest and I couldn't find them in the characters page either, it has been weeks since the start of the anime, I hope you won't mind me forgetting some characters, I remember Sherry though, she's the princess yeah... Well I guess they aren't as memorable as I thought they were, wish they had some actual settings to make them memorable though...

MasterHavik said:
This series isn't that hard to understand but there are some minor issues with it.
I think these issues aren't as minor as you make them to be but I guess everyone for their own opinion or some other English idiom I forgot... Did we really watch the same anime?
@p1ec3ful I want to apologize. I was tired and I got a bad habit of not checking the shit I’ve typed. That's 100% on me. Line by line.

-All right then. I didn't know that bit of information, it makes sense they're legit controlling everything. Thank you.

-I don't think the show is doing anything wrong in this regard. It's pretty clear with what it's talking about.

-I mean when you have someone who hasn't had many friends growing up; I can fully understand her not wanting to let go. Thank you. I'm here for that.

-I think that is for Adonis as his curse was him making everything rot. I think they spend a lot of time on it and bringing up the honor, status, and importance are very important. The mechanics for it are pretty straight forward as you obviously need to make your own and find the material for it. So the final episode isn't answering what you think is answering because if that was the case Belle would be doing the same thing. Gotta remember the context of that whole bit with Adonis and Sian.

-I mean it's a nice touch, but isn't something to spend run time on. I wouldn't be shocked if they bring it up in season 2.

-No Tiz was leading them as they disappeared once she was killed. She was the main head of that whole thing. That is why they were legit respawning. They had a reason to be there as it was the monkey wrench in their plans. This is one of the minor issues as I feel they can't be straight about the Tree God. He is saying a lot and sometimes is kind of over stuffing you with terms. I'll give you that here.

-I mean Adonis is tough to figure out because we don't know all the information yet. The curse was weighing down on him mentally. We also not being able to touch Belle fucked with him. This needs to be flush out though as I'm still stuck on what the hell a doubt is.

-I think I'm talking about the rabbit and mermaid. My bad. The mermaid is interesting as you could say they're trans like the other lady but it is odd as I have never seen someone say, "Oh, I can't think like a woman right now." I think the supporting cast is strong and I like them as they all have something to add to Belle.

I mean....yeah we did. We just came away with different opinions from it.
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@p1ec3ful I want to apologize. I was tired and I got a bad habit of not checking the shit I’ve typed. That's 100% on me. Line by line.

-All right then. I didn't know that bit of information, it makes sense they're legit controlling everything. Thank you.

-I don't think the show is doing anything wrong in this regard. It's pretty clear with what it's talking about.

-I mean when you have someone who hasn't had many friends growing up; I can fully understand her not wanting to let go. Thank you. I'm here for that.

-I think that is for Adonis as his curse was him making everything rot. I think they spend a lot of time on it and bringing up the honor, status, and importance are very important. The mechanics for it are pretty straight forward as you obviously need to make your own and find the material for it. So the final episode isn't answering what you think is answering because if that was the case Belle would be doing the same thing. Gotta remember the context of that whole bit with Adonis and Sian.

-I mean it's a nice touch, but isn't something to spend run time on. I wouldn't be shocked if they bring it up in season 2.

-No Tiz was leading them as they disappeared once she was killed. She was the main head of that whole thing. That is why they were legit respawning. They had a reason to be there as it was the monkey wrench in their plans. This is one of the minor issues as I feel they can't be straight about the Tree God. He is saying a lot and sometimes is kind of over stuffing you with terms. I'll give you that here.

-I mean Adonis is tough to figure out because we don't know all the information yet. The curse was weighing down on him mentally. We also not being able to touch Belle fucked with him. This needs to be flush out though as I'm still stuck on what the hell a doubt is.

-I think I'm talking about the rabbit and mermaid. My bad. The mermaid is interesting as you could say they're trans like the other lady but it is odd as I have never seen someone say, "Oh, I can't think like a woman right now." I think the supporting cast is strong and I like them as they all have something to add to Belle.

I mean....yeah we did. We just came away with different opinions from it.
@MasterHavik well at least not anymore do you think that people don't understand the anime as well as you do just because you're superior in "writing". The story has a lot of unnecessary details that make it seem meaningless(like the necklace thing, which they spoonfed us with extremely loud sfx, impossible to overlook and needlessly emphasized, like when the characters are talking about some extremely important plotline and you hear a big sound and the screen is filled with a small puny necklace)

MasterHavik said:
-I think that is for Adonis as his curse was him making everything rot. I think they spend a lot of time on it and bringing up the honor, status, and importance are very important. The mechanics for it are pretty straight forward as you obviously need to make your own and find the material for it. So the final episode isn't answering what you think is answering because if that was the case Belle would be doing the same thing. Gotta remember the context of that whole bit with Adonis and Sian.
No, you don't need to make your "own", there are swordshops and swordsmiths for that and your regular normie soloist can't really smith a sword from non-existence, that's actually why Dram exists, her teacher of smithing did also exist I must say, you're basically refusing their only reason and meaning to exist in the story, she's a famous and distinct swordsmith. Adonis didn't search for materials and didn't make the sword himself, neither did Belle nor did Sian. It exactly answers what I think it answers, it literally SHOWS Adonis and Sian training and Adonis "growing" his sword into a different shape. Sian is there to train Adonis and help him "grow" his sword that is made by Dram which he just yet obtained. Belle already trained with Sian and "grew" her sword at the beginning of the story, she wouldn't need to do it again, the sword has always gotten "re-birthed" to sharpness every episode BECAUSE she already trained and grew it, these points explain everything as a whole. Gotta remember the first episodes and the premise and look at the anime as a whole.

MasterHavik said:
-No Tiz was leading them as they disappeared once she was killed. She was the main head of that whole thing.
Was Tiz leading the herd*(all this time I called them "horde"... Can't believe it) at the end of 10th episode? Because I surely thought Tiz was already dead and couldn't control anything at that time... You didn't miss the herd of zombies at the 10th episode, right?

MasterHavik said:
-I mean Adonis is tough to figure out because we don't know all the information yet. The curse was weighing down on him mentally. We also not being able to touch Belle fucked with him. This needs to be flush out though as I'm still stuck on what the hell a doubt is.
Why didn't it "fuck with him" before the party incident with the Centaur Nidhogg? His reason lies with the "sword-repairing ash/dust", the main reason is definitely not Belle, that is out of question, yes he does some fucked up shit since he desires Belle but the catalyst for those fucked up things aren't Belle, it lies with the tree-god and the dust. Of course the curse weighs him down and he acts like a literal child when he gets his own sword but that isn't a reason or an explanation for what he's trying to do, his mental weaknesses only about the curse made a HUGE impact on you it seems, you keep bringing the effects of the curse to his mental state to the conversation but not the reasons for his actions(as in betraying and killing people, if the reason was curse he would be doing the killings and betrayings even before he met with Belle but that's not the case)

ps.: Just remembered Tiziano was Adonis's ex-lover, his actions are like that because he blames himself as the one who made Tiziano into a Nidhogg. Now it makes sense, btw you were nowhere close to his reasons for these actions, it definitely is not easy to understand for you and I still wonder if it comes to you as if it is still easy to understand...

MasterHavik said:
-I think I'm talking about the rabbit and mermaid. My bad. The mermaid is interesting as you could say they're trans like the other lady but it is odd as I have never seen someone say, "Oh, I can't think like a woman right now." I think the supporting cast is strong and I like them as they all have something to add to Belle.
I wouldn't count them as the forementioned "side characters" for the moment or for the sake of this argument in this case, checked the names and rabbit's name is "Kitty The All/Nothing"(changes based on "sentience"), the mermaid/man is Benedictine and I presume by "Gwen" you meant Guinness which was the goat writer if you remember. These characters don't need explaining for their existence since it's already given as "Kitty likes Belle and reports everything", "Benedictine lost her/his boyfriend so she/he changed into Belle's 'guardian spirit' or something", and "The goat is a strategist, did strategies and still is in the army/band since that's his job". These are self-evident, I wouldn't ask about self-evident things.

MasterHavik said:
I mean....yeah we did. We just came away with different opinions from it.
To sum it up, your different understandings are all mostly false assumptions about the story when you stated that the story was "easy to understand", you definitely shouldn't state that if you have false assumptions. I hope at least I was useful to clear your false assumptions and make you have a better understanding of the story though and I hope I don't come across as presumptuous through my writing style.
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@p1ec3ful I want to apologize. I was tired and I got a bad habit of not checking the shit I’ve typed. That's 100% on me. Line by line.

-All right then. I didn't know that bit of information, it makes sense they're legit controlling everything. Thank you.

-I don't think the show is doing anything wrong in this regard. It's pretty clear with what it's talking about.

-I mean when you have someone who hasn't had many friends growing up; I can fully understand her not wanting to let go. Thank you. I'm here for that.

-I think that is for Adonis as his curse was him making everything rot. I think they spend a lot of time on it and bringing up the honor, status, and importance are very important. The mechanics for it are pretty straight forward as you obviously need to make your own and find the material for it. So the final episode isn't answering what you think is answering because if that was the case Belle would be doing the same thing. Gotta remember the context of that whole bit with Adonis and Sian.

-I mean it's a nice touch, but isn't something to spend run time on. I wouldn't be shocked if they bring it up in season 2.

-No Tiz was leading them as they disappeared once she was killed. She was the main head of that whole thing. That is why they were legit respawning. They had a reason to be there as it was the monkey wrench in their plans. This is one of the minor issues as I feel they can't be straight about the Tree God. He is saying a lot and sometimes is kind of over stuffing you with terms. I'll give you that here.

-I mean Adonis is tough to figure out because we don't know all the information yet. The curse was weighing down on him mentally. We also not being able to touch Belle fucked with him. This needs to be flush out though as I'm still stuck on what the hell a doubt is.

-I think I'm talking about the rabbit and mermaid. My bad. The mermaid is interesting as you could say they're trans like the other lady but it is odd as I have never seen someone say, "Oh, I can't think like a woman right now." I think the supporting cast is strong and I like them as they all have something to add to Belle.

I mean....yeah we did. We just came away with different opinions from it.
@MasterHavik I needed to add some stuff;

p1ec3ful said:
ps.: Just remembered Tiziano was Adonis's ex-lover, his actions are like that because he blames himself as the one who made Tiziano into a Nidhogg. Now it makes sense,...
This is extremely stupid in Adonis' side, he blames himself as if he had to somehow know the ashes shouldn't be used as sword-repairing goods since it produces Nidhoggs, it is said that he was just following orders from the Tree-God in the anime and he didn't know that the Tree-God was trying to feed itself, he has nothing to blame himself for yet he just keeps falling down all the way into malice which makes him a very shallow character that is not worthy of being the main love-interest of the MC...

Damn it was way more worse than I imagined it would be before writing this comment(the anime that is)
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