| dont worry, i read all of it. Thanks for the explanation. i understand better now |
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| I didn't need it explained tbh, brainrot has really taken hold of anime watchers. |
| Thank you for the detailed explanation |
DragyG said: What episode are you guys at? Last episode I saw out was episode 2 on Abema. I didn't see Saki trying to prostitute. Episode 3, it’s out on Crunchyroll |
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| there's tasuuketsu and then there's this. both are painfully indirect, one is extremely fast and the other extremely slow. btw i appreciate the explanation and all, but even within points (like 1, 2, 3...), paragraph division wouldn't be out of place, or rather, it would help a lot. Delineating each idea with a space really makes the whole message clearer and easier to internalize and understand. Imaginewritingwithoutspaces.Thesearewordsbutwithoutproperspacingthey'vebecomereallyhardtoreadandunderstand.Iknowitseemslikeanexageration,butlinespacesarethesame. |
| This series really live to what i heard about. |
| Thanks for the detailed write-up, but I'm not entirely convinced. I'm sorry, but if the author (?) and the anime writers wanted to say something, they should have said it through the work itself, not by attaching an essay next to it. As things are, the moment came without much build-up and felt a bit out of character to me, and the resolution felt unnatural and hand-wavy. I would have just accepted a simple explanation that Saki was irresistibly attracted to Yuuta, both as a person and a romantic partner. Or that Saki had issues with control and "balance" and desperately wanted to take charge of their relationship somehow (which was my interpretation of events). We understand Saki wants money fast and why. But it makes no sense that she would get money from her family to... become independent from her family. Also, Yuuta already said that he felt bad relying on her cooking without "paying her back," so it wasn't like she has only been on the receiving end. Even if she thought cooking was trivial, paying him back "with her body" feels like an insane leap to me. Besides, she explicitly suggested "paying" for her body, which means cooking has nothing to do with this "transaction"...? There was no indication that Saki was "expecting" Yuuta to accept her advances and stay discreet about it to protect the family. In any case, isn't that a form of "relying on" Yuuta again, which is what Saki wants to avoid? Also, Saki interpreting Yuuta's "not UNinterested in her" and "not acting on his urges" comments as a green light is ridiculous and a little disturbing. All this extra talk of "expectations", admiration for Yuuta, the "inevitability" of things becoming romantic and the sex industry feel a little overexplained and not really necessary, even if they're mildly interesting ideas. I wish they kept things simple, or actually put these things into the anime itself. |
| Well, that is a very thorough explanation. I think it was pretty clear how the misunderstanding came about but carving out the details of each point was nice. |
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| Thanks for taking the time to write that explanation. It made things a bit more clear for me, although I don't think I understand everything yet about what happened there. I'm also somewhat lost on other aspects of the show, but Saki's pov yesterday helped make me understand things a bit more clearly at least :) |
Reply to perseii
Thanks for the detailed write-up, but I'm not entirely convinced.
I'm sorry, but if the author (?) and the anime writers wanted to say something, they should have said it through the work itself, not by attaching an essay next to it. As things are, the moment came without much build-up and felt a bit out of character to me, and the resolution felt unnatural and hand-wavy.
I would have just accepted a simple explanation that Saki was irresistibly attracted to Yuuta, both as a person and a romantic partner.
Or that Saki had issues with control and "balance" and desperately wanted to take charge of their relationship somehow (which was my interpretation of events).
We understand Saki wants money fast and why. But it makes no sense that she would get money from her family to... become independent from her family. Also, Yuuta already said that he felt bad relying on her cooking without "paying her back," so it wasn't like she has only been on the receiving end. Even if she thought cooking was trivial, paying him back "with her body" feels like an insane leap to me. Besides, she explicitly suggested "paying" for her body, which means cooking has nothing to do with this "transaction"...?
There was no indication that Saki was "expecting" Yuuta to accept her advances and stay discreet about it to protect the family. In any case, isn't that a form of "relying on" Yuuta again, which is what Saki wants to avoid?
Also, Saki interpreting Yuuta's "not UNinterested in her" and "not acting on his urges" comments as a green light is ridiculous and a little disturbing.
All this extra talk of "expectations", admiration for Yuuta, the "inevitability" of things becoming romantic and the sex industry feel a little overexplained and not really necessary, even if they're mildly interesting ideas. I wish they kept things simple, or actually put these things into the anime itself.
I'm sorry, but if the author (?) and the anime writers wanted to say something, they should have said it through the work itself, not by attaching an essay next to it. As things are, the moment came without much build-up and felt a bit out of character to me, and the resolution felt unnatural and hand-wavy.
I would have just accepted a simple explanation that Saki was irresistibly attracted to Yuuta, both as a person and a romantic partner.
Or that Saki had issues with control and "balance" and desperately wanted to take charge of their relationship somehow (which was my interpretation of events).
We understand Saki wants money fast and why. But it makes no sense that she would get money from her family to... become independent from her family. Also, Yuuta already said that he felt bad relying on her cooking without "paying her back," so it wasn't like she has only been on the receiving end. Even if she thought cooking was trivial, paying him back "with her body" feels like an insane leap to me. Besides, she explicitly suggested "paying" for her body, which means cooking has nothing to do with this "transaction"...?
There was no indication that Saki was "expecting" Yuuta to accept her advances and stay discreet about it to protect the family. In any case, isn't that a form of "relying on" Yuuta again, which is what Saki wants to avoid?
Also, Saki interpreting Yuuta's "not UNinterested in her" and "not acting on his urges" comments as a green light is ridiculous and a little disturbing.
All this extra talk of "expectations", admiration for Yuuta, the "inevitability" of things becoming romantic and the sex industry feel a little overexplained and not really necessary, even if they're mildly interesting ideas. I wish they kept things simple, or actually put these things into the anime itself.
| @perseii Well said! I totally agree. |
| Interesting insight, an anime adaptation is always going to be less detailed than a novel. However, I don't think reading this is mandatory to understand the anime because... ShiroHachi said: She understands that there are risks involved, so she is carefully considering whether she should take that risk and decide that she should not take the risk yet. But if she had succeeded in doing this to Yuuta, she would probably have gone on to prostitute herself to other people. ...THIS is extremely obvious, considering the situation. Did people really need this spoonfed to them? For the first time I have to agree with those who complain that anime in general rely too much on exposition dumps and not enough on "show don't tell". |
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| I don’t need this but I read it all anyway. The subtle nuances in the show may have been enough to not bail out when things seemed going the weird way at first. |
| I wish a bit of this was conveyed in the anime kind of like the books expressed with the scene when reading it, even if nowhere near as detailed. Even with a couple lines and maybe condensing some stuff from earlier in the episode instead since this was an important part. The last episode's diary reel was good but those scenes with Saki offering her body to Asamura felt too short to understand the true depth being her actions there, or even make appropriate assumptions about it. The explanations offered by the author are cool to have as extra stuff but some of the beats explained here are pretty major towards Saki's characterization and it felt a bit lacking in the anime version of the episode at least. Changes happen in adaptations, some ignored and some altered but it should still convey enough of what anime adaptations are trying to go for to the viewers and not leave anyone necessarily lost completely unless its intentional, which isn't exactly the case here with how it is presented. Still think it's been a solid anime so far and the directing has been interesting to watch but this was something that could have been a bit more focused on. |
animejasJul 19, 5:21 PM
| It turns out that she is just a stupid girl who is on the verge of becoming a prostitute |
| OP, I appreciate that you posted this here! Thanks a million! However, I'll have to side with some of the folks here who felt that the anime did not effectively establish most of these details that would end up being the cause of Saki's "night crawl". The creative leads for the show could have done a far better job at setting up the scene, instead of coming off as some out-of-the-blue moment for a rather serious show such as this. perseii said: I'm sorry, but if the author (?) and the anime writers wanted to say something, they should have said it through the work itself, not by attaching an essay next to it. As things are, the moment came without much build-up and felt a bit out of character to me, and the resolution felt unnatural and hand-wavy. I concur. animejas said: those scenes with Saki offering her body to Asamura felt too short to understand the true depth being her actions there, or even make appropriate assumptions about it. The explanations offered by the author are cool to have as extra stuff but some of the beats explained here are pretty major towards Saki's characterization and it felt a bit lacking in the anime version of the episode at least. Exactly. |
Reply to perseii
Thanks for the detailed write-up, but I'm not entirely convinced.
I'm sorry, but if the author (?) and the anime writers wanted to say something, they should have said it through the work itself, not by attaching an essay next to it. As things are, the moment came without much build-up and felt a bit out of character to me, and the resolution felt unnatural and hand-wavy.
I would have just accepted a simple explanation that Saki was irresistibly attracted to Yuuta, both as a person and a romantic partner.
Or that Saki had issues with control and "balance" and desperately wanted to take charge of their relationship somehow (which was my interpretation of events).
We understand Saki wants money fast and why. But it makes no sense that she would get money from her family to... become independent from her family. Also, Yuuta already said that he felt bad relying on her cooking without "paying her back," so it wasn't like she has only been on the receiving end. Even if she thought cooking was trivial, paying him back "with her body" feels like an insane leap to me. Besides, she explicitly suggested "paying" for her body, which means cooking has nothing to do with this "transaction"...?
There was no indication that Saki was "expecting" Yuuta to accept her advances and stay discreet about it to protect the family. In any case, isn't that a form of "relying on" Yuuta again, which is what Saki wants to avoid?
Also, Saki interpreting Yuuta's "not UNinterested in her" and "not acting on his urges" comments as a green light is ridiculous and a little disturbing.
All this extra talk of "expectations", admiration for Yuuta, the "inevitability" of things becoming romantic and the sex industry feel a little overexplained and not really necessary, even if they're mildly interesting ideas. I wish they kept things simple, or actually put these things into the anime itself.
I'm sorry, but if the author (?) and the anime writers wanted to say something, they should have said it through the work itself, not by attaching an essay next to it. As things are, the moment came without much build-up and felt a bit out of character to me, and the resolution felt unnatural and hand-wavy.
I would have just accepted a simple explanation that Saki was irresistibly attracted to Yuuta, both as a person and a romantic partner.
Or that Saki had issues with control and "balance" and desperately wanted to take charge of their relationship somehow (which was my interpretation of events).
We understand Saki wants money fast and why. But it makes no sense that she would get money from her family to... become independent from her family. Also, Yuuta already said that he felt bad relying on her cooking without "paying her back," so it wasn't like she has only been on the receiving end. Even if she thought cooking was trivial, paying him back "with her body" feels like an insane leap to me. Besides, she explicitly suggested "paying" for her body, which means cooking has nothing to do with this "transaction"...?
There was no indication that Saki was "expecting" Yuuta to accept her advances and stay discreet about it to protect the family. In any case, isn't that a form of "relying on" Yuuta again, which is what Saki wants to avoid?
Also, Saki interpreting Yuuta's "not UNinterested in her" and "not acting on his urges" comments as a green light is ridiculous and a little disturbing.
All this extra talk of "expectations", admiration for Yuuta, the "inevitability" of things becoming romantic and the sex industry feel a little overexplained and not really necessary, even if they're mildly interesting ideas. I wish they kept things simple, or actually put these things into the anime itself.
| @perseii Well put. It feels like the author (or the director/writers) is trying to make this story seem "smarter" than its supposed to be. It gives off a pretentious vibe as if I'm expected to just accept the poor pacing and non-existent "show but don't tell" just because the director wants to be creative with different camera shots. I think if the author has to come out and clarify then they are doing a pretty bad job, the author could be to blame as well but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt as I haven't read the LN. |
IceOfDarknessJul 25, 1:24 PM
| Wasn't it just a few minutes previously that she mentioned the rumours regarding to her mother's 'night activities' and expressed her desire not wanting to rely on her 'natural-born assets'? Where did that determination go? Or rather, what went wrong in the creator's mind at that moment, I wonder? Cum pouring into his brain while his hand holding the baseball bat in the shape of a penis? You only need one hand to write, I guess. |
SgtBateManJul 26, 8:27 AM
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Reply to epyon4light
I didn't need it explained tbh, brainrot has really taken hold of anime watchers.
| @epyon4light You cannot believe how true you are. |
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| Very late, but thank you very much for the explanation! I felt like I was missing something. |
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