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Dec 8, 2023 5:13 PM
#1
Yep, I thought Haki was Oda's most lazy writing and ass pull as he didn't know how to deal with Logia users, but no, turns out Nika is his lamest plot. After all that hype against Kaido, then what's the point of making Luffy look like the Chosen One if some brat could've become Nika either? Then Kuma is the strongest one in this series at this point as he believed and practiced Nika and its philosophy from his childhood. This plot is a mess, smh. |
Dec 8, 2023 5:36 PM
#2
bro the whole "will of D." thing has been here forever and they're like the chosen ones to beat Imu or something, why would it be weird for multiple people to be interested in Nika or carry on the Joyboy practice. Besides, pretty sure in Skypeia they literally worshipped the sun god, believing the ideals of a church doesn't make you God (for what you were saying about Kuna being the strongest just due to liking Nika) |
Dec 8, 2023 5:54 PM
#3
Reply to SoulessAnime
bro the whole "will of D." thing has been here forever and they're like the chosen ones to beat Imu or something, why would it be weird for multiple people to be interested in Nika or carry on the Joyboy practice.
Besides, pretty sure in Skypeia they literally worshipped the sun god, believing the ideals of a church doesn't make you God (for what you were saying about Kuna being the strongest just due to liking Nika)
Besides, pretty sure in Skypeia they literally worshipped the sun god, believing the ideals of a church doesn't make you God (for what you were saying about Kuna being the strongest just due to liking Nika)
@SoulessAnime blud, Chosen One is singular, not plural, and Zunisha literally said "Joy Boy has returned" to Luffy as he awakened Gear 5, not "have returned" as in groups of "Will of D." or anything |
Dec 8, 2023 6:15 PM
#4
Nika isn't about the powers, it's about the ideals and hope he gives to the people. All Bonney did was copy a weak form of Luffy's powers, nothing else. It isn't like she became Nika or something. She heard from Kuma that Nika had a rubbery body, and she just used Distorted Future to imagine one where she has a rubbery body too. How does that matter in any way? It isn't like she ate the Devil Fruit. |
Dec 8, 2023 6:23 PM
#5
Reply to RandomPerson9348
Nika isn't about the powers, it's about the ideals and hope he gives to the people. All Bonney did was copy a weak form of Luffy's powers, nothing else. It isn't like she became Nika or something.
She heard from Kuma that Nika had a rubbery body, and she just used Distorted Future to imagine one where she has a rubbery body too. How does that matter in any way? It isn't like she ate the Devil Fruit.
She heard from Kuma that Nika had a rubbery body, and she just used Distorted Future to imagine one where she has a rubbery body too. How does that matter in any way? It isn't like she ate the Devil Fruit.
@RandomPerson9348 isn't that sound too convenient? Oh, wait, there's another terms of it, we called it ass pull, smh. Then why didn't Zunisha wake up on its slumber 3 years prior Luffy set sailed on the sea? Just admit it, this Nika plots is just another Haki 2.0 made by Oda, he doesn't know how to utilized Luffy in front of Kaido, that's why it needed another lazy writing so it won't end in Wano arc |
Dec 8, 2023 6:25 PM
#6
Nugi97 said: @RandomPerson9348 isn't that sound too convenient? Oh, wait, there's another terms of it, we called it ass pull, smh. Then why didn't Zunisha wake up on its slumber 3 years prior Luffy set sailed on the sea? Just admit it, this Nika plots is just another Haki 2.0 made by Oda, he doesn't know how to utilized Luffy in front of Kaido, that's why it needed another lazy writing so it won't end in Wano arc Because Zunesha is supposed to wake up to Joyboy, and not rubber powers? How is it that difficult to understand? Bonney did not become Nika. She just used rubber powers. The reason she says Nika is because she heard that Nika has rubbery powers. You've got to be trolling ๐. |
Dec 8, 2023 6:33 PM
#7
Reply to RandomPerson9348
Nugi97 said:
@RandomPerson9348 isn't that sound too convenient? Oh, wait, there's another terms of it, we called it ass pull, smh.
Then why didn't Zunisha wake up on its slumber 3 years prior Luffy set sailed on the sea? Just admit it, this Nika plots is just another Haki 2.0 made by Oda, he doesn't know how to utilized Luffy in front of Kaido, that's why it needed another lazy writing so it won't end in Wano arc
@RandomPerson9348 isn't that sound too convenient? Oh, wait, there's another terms of it, we called it ass pull, smh.
Then why didn't Zunisha wake up on its slumber 3 years prior Luffy set sailed on the sea? Just admit it, this Nika plots is just another Haki 2.0 made by Oda, he doesn't know how to utilized Luffy in front of Kaido, that's why it needed another lazy writing so it won't end in Wano arc
Because Zunesha is supposed to wake up to Joyboy, and not rubber powers? How is it that difficult to understand?
Bonney did not become Nika. She just used rubber powers. The reason she says Nika is because she heard that Nika has rubbery powers. You've got to be trolling ๐.
@RandomPerson9348 what exactly to be troll here? Haki and Nika are literally plot conveniens on One Piece, it's not a slander if it's true |
Dec 8, 2023 7:00 PM
#8
i actually really like da idea of kuma beign powerful |
Dec 8, 2023 7:00 PM
#9
bro i don t think dat nika actually makes u dat powerful tho |
Dec 8, 2023 7:01 PM
#10
da serie was already trash bro ๐๐คฃ |
Dec 8, 2023 7:09 PM
#11
Nugi97 said: @SoulessAnime blud, Chosen One is singular, not plural, and Zunisha literally said "Joy Boy has returned" to Luffy as he awakened Gear 5, not "have returned" as in groups of "Will of D." or anything bro has you even read manga it always said it feels like that its joyboy is in luffy.It never said that no one else can use same power. |
Dec 8, 2023 7:12 PM
#12
Nugi97 said: @RandomPerson9348 what exactly to be troll here? Haki and Nika are literally plot conveniens on One Piece, it's not a slander if it's true are you serious do you even understand what he is saying you are just trolling man. Also haki is one of the best power system. |
Dec 8, 2023 9:26 PM
#13
Haki is lazy writing? I knew nothing about One Piece when I started three years ago, and was able to easily predict a second power system would be introduced. This solves a ton of possible story problems, I’ll just list some out. 1. Explains how some top-level pirates and marines are strong without devil fruits. 2. Makes battles more interesting by introducing a new dimension to combat (several if you consider the different forms of haki) 3. Gives a counter to logia fruits other than specific weaknesses (like crocodile’s weakness to water) 4. Explains how mantra from Skypiea works (this is the latest point Oda could have come up with the idea of haki). 5. Connects characters’ will more explicitly to their physical strength, which hammers home the series themes more. It’s strange to call a plot device so endlessly engaging and meticulously foreshadowed an ass pull. Maybe you just weren’t paying close enough attention. It’s reasonable to dislike the gear 5 reveal, though I’d argue it’s quite thematically resonant. I’ll admit it feels like a retcon even if it doesn’t directly contradict anything previously established. It seems like you’re just offended by the introduction of new information. |
onespankmanDec 8, 2023 9:29 PM
Dec 8, 2023 9:53 PM
#14
RandomPerson9348 said: Nugi97 said: @RandomPerson9348 isn't that sound too convenient? Oh, wait, there's another terms of it, we called it ass pull, smh. Then why didn't Zunisha wake up on its slumber 3 years prior Luffy set sailed on the sea? Just admit it, this Nika plots is just another Haki 2.0 made by Oda, he doesn't know how to utilized Luffy in front of Kaido, that's why it needed another lazy writing so it won't end in Wano arc Because Zunesha is supposed to wake up to Joyboy, and not rubber powers? How is it that difficult to understand? Bonney did not become Nika. She just used rubber powers. The reason she says Nika is because she heard that Nika has rubbery powers. You've got to be trolling ๐. Don't waste your time with this troll, If he isn't capable of understanding simple concepts then arguing with him will be the same as arguing with a brick wall. Also check his anime list, and you'll pretty much find it weird too |
Dec 8, 2023 10:50 PM
#15
Reply to Kidzuna
RandomPerson9348 said:
Because Zunesha is supposed to wake up to Joyboy, and not rubber powers? How is it that difficult to understand?
Bonney did not become Nika. She just used rubber powers. The reason she says Nika is because she heard that Nika has rubbery powers. You've got to be trolling ๐.
Nugi97 said:
@RandomPerson9348 isn't that sound too convenient? Oh, wait, there's another terms of it, we called it ass pull, smh.
Then why didn't Zunisha wake up on its slumber 3 years prior Luffy set sailed on the sea? Just admit it, this Nika plots is just another Haki 2.0 made by Oda, he doesn't know how to utilized Luffy in front of Kaido, that's why it needed another lazy writing so it won't end in Wano arc
@RandomPerson9348 isn't that sound too convenient? Oh, wait, there's another terms of it, we called it ass pull, smh.
Then why didn't Zunisha wake up on its slumber 3 years prior Luffy set sailed on the sea? Just admit it, this Nika plots is just another Haki 2.0 made by Oda, he doesn't know how to utilized Luffy in front of Kaido, that's why it needed another lazy writing so it won't end in Wano arc
Because Zunesha is supposed to wake up to Joyboy, and not rubber powers? How is it that difficult to understand?
Bonney did not become Nika. She just used rubber powers. The reason she says Nika is because she heard that Nika has rubbery powers. You've got to be trolling ๐.
Don't waste your time with this troll, If he isn't capable of understanding simple concepts then arguing with him will be the same as arguing with a brick wall.
Also check his anime list, and you'll pretty much find it weird too
@Kidzuna not everyone wearing a blindfold and pretend not to see One Piece has several lazy writings here and there like you, and calling my watchlists weird when you give Rent-a-Girlfriend and SAO a 10/10 is practically wild, lol |
Dec 8, 2023 11:06 PM
#16
sefueuropei said: da serie was already trash bro ๐๐คฃ bros on here hate watching the forums |
Dec 8, 2023 11:37 PM
#17
Nugi97 said: @Kidzuna not everyone wearing a blindfold and pretend not to see One Piece has several lazy writings here and there like you, and calling my watchlists weird when you give Rent-a-Girlfriend and SAO a 10/10 is practically wild, lol What do you mean, I personally freaking love SAO so 10/10 for me, IF I remember correctly I rated that way, but still, Slime and One Piece is my Number 1 and 2. So don't just go saying that it's wierd that he likes those show, Everyone has different taste, even you, even if it is a little wierd, so don't just start a pointless war. Almost everything that happens in this MAL forum is a hater being hater. It is annoying. No comment on Rent a girlfreind, I'm not interested in it, maybe 'cuz my friend said that the main dude is an idiot, and he dropped the series 'cuz of him. |
Dec 9, 2023 12:59 AM
#18
Nugi97 said: @RandomPerson9348 isn't that sound too convenient? Oh, wait, there's another terms of it, we called it ass pull, smh. Then why didn't Zunisha wake up on its slumber 3 years prior Luffy set sailed on the sea? Just admit it, this Nika plots is just another Haki 2.0 made by Oda, he doesn't know how to utilized Luffy in front of Kaido, that's why it needed another lazy writing so it won't end in Wano arc To me it sounds like your nitpicking over something that isn’t a problem |
Dec 9, 2023 1:03 AM
#19
Nugi97 said: @RandomPerson9348 what exactly to be troll here? Haki and Nika are literally plot conveniens on One Piece, it's not a slander if it's true I’m ok with haki and it dosent feel like a Ass pull because oda implemented certain powers that was never exposed and turned it into haki, why can garp hurt Luffy with a punch haki, why can eni and some skypians sense life and see into the future haki, it isn’t a Ass pull, it’s using what he set up and turning it into something |
Dec 9, 2023 1:05 AM
#20
Nugi97 said: @Kidzuna not everyone wearing a blindfold and pretend not to see One Piece has several lazy writings here and there like you, and calling my watchlists weird when you give Rent-a-Girlfriend and SAO a 10/10 is practically wild, lol One piece to me dosent have any lazy writing and if it dose it’s very small |
Dec 9, 2023 1:50 AM
#21
Vegapunk literally says devil fruits represent the desire of someone to have a certain power |
Dec 9, 2023 1:52 AM
#22
So if someone is imaginative enough can go to use its powers to partially emulate what Nika does |
Dec 9, 2023 1:56 AM
#23
completely agree with the poster here one piece is great but has jarring flaws that fans will cope to ignore. “Oh no not my precious masterpiece it is perfect how dare you criticize it”. Nika is a blatant disgusting asspull period and haki is a poorly implemented power system that fails to hold this mess together. |
Dec 9, 2023 2:06 AM
#24
Nugi97 said: @Kidzuna not everyone wearing a blindfold and pretend not to see One Piece has several lazy writings here and there like you, and calling my watchlists weird when you give Rent-a-Girlfriend and SAO a 10/10 is practically wild, lol What are you yapping about I never even watched sao in my life๐ and I only gave season 2 of rent a gf a 10 Because I actually enjoyed the comedy more than the other shows airing that season so Nice try embarassing yourself on the internet. Besides the numbers in your list don't go anywhere other than 10,5, and 7 The other guys already debunked all your statements so arguing with you is pretty much pointless |
KidzunaDec 9, 2023 2:14 AM
Dec 9, 2023 2:32 AM
#25
Reply to Kidzuna
Nugi97 said:
@Kidzuna not everyone wearing a blindfold and pretend not to see One Piece has several lazy writings here and there like you, and calling my watchlists weird when you give Rent-a-Girlfriend and SAO a 10/10 is practically wild, lol
@Kidzuna not everyone wearing a blindfold and pretend not to see One Piece has several lazy writings here and there like you, and calling my watchlists weird when you give Rent-a-Girlfriend and SAO a 10/10 is practically wild, lol
What are you yapping about I never even watched sao in my life๐ and I only gave season 2 of rent a gf a 10 Because I actually enjoyed the comedy more than the other shows airing that season so Nice try embarassing yourself on the internet.
Besides the numbers in your list don't go anywhere other than 10,5, and 7
The other guys already debunked all your statements so arguing with you is pretty much pointless
@Kidzuna blud tried so hard to clean his hands by removing his scoring on SAO, pathetic, lol. Giving a 10/10 so easily like that, especially on that garbage series, shows how bad your taste is, no wonder you defend Oda's L so much, you can't even stand a constructive criticism, and giving a scale of 3 (bad), 5 (average), 7 (good), and 10 (masterpiece) is something common on collecting and computing data if you're not familiar with it, no need to put random score as your liking. Debunked on what? All I see is only defending L from Oda, smh |
Dec 9, 2023 3:04 AM
#26
josh_exe said: sefueuropei said: da serie was already trash bro ๐๐คฃ bros on here hate watching the forums na bro but it s actually 1 of da few shows i don t like |
Dec 9, 2023 3:06 AM
#27
I don't think Bonney is literally using nika powers like gear 5 isn't she just using her own powers to try and be like him ?? I'm not really seeing where the ass pull is you are talking about with this chapter it's all pretty by the book what we expected isn't it? |
Dec 9, 2023 3:17 AM
#28
Nugi97 said: @Kidzuna blud tried so hard to clean his hands by removing his scoring on SAO, pathetic, lol. Giving a 10/10 so easily like that, especially on that garbage series, shows how bad your taste is, no wonder you defend Oda's L so much, you can't even stand a constructive criticism, and giving a scale of 3 (bad), 5 (average), 7 (good), and 10 (masterpiece) is something common on collecting and computing data if you're not familiar with it, no need to put random score as your liking. Debunked on what? All I see is only defending L from Oda, smh Sao was always In my plan to watch list lol what u smoking bud ๐ The only thing you got right is me giving rent a gf season 2 a 10 Because I actually enjoyed it lmao. Even if I did watch sao and give it a 10 what's your problem with it and how does that change how wrong you are๐ Ever heard of subjective taste lol? Besides the forum is not about discussing my anime list it's about you thinking the latest chapter is an asspull even when it's clearly not and youve already been proven wrong so stop embarassing yourself more |
Dec 9, 2023 6:08 AM
#29
Nugi97 said: Yep, I thought Haki was Oda's most lazy writing and ass pull as he didn't know how to deal with Logia users, but no, turns out Nika is his lamest plot. After all that hype against Kaido, then what's the point of making Luffy look like the Chosen One if some brat could've become Nika either? Then Kuma is the strongest one in this series at this point as he believed and practiced Nika and its philosophy from his childhood. This plot is a mess, smh. what are you yappin about ๐๏ธ๐๐๏ธ |
Dec 9, 2023 7:30 AM
#30
Nugi97 said: Yep, I thought Haki was Oda's most lazy writing and ass pull as he didn't know how to deal with Logia users, but no, turns out Nika is his lamest plot. After all that hype against Kaido, then what's the point of making Luffy look like the Chosen One if some brat could've become Nika either? Then Kuma is the strongest one in this series at this point as he believed and practiced Nika and its philosophy from his childhood. This plot is a mess, smh. one piece's story was never about luffy becoming pirate king through hardwork, he was destined to become pirate king and gear 5 was foreshadowed in skypiea,in a sbs and many place throughout wano, gear 5 suits luffy's dreams,ideals and story, themes of one piece perfectly. oda introduced haki and it was a bad power system and oda corrected his mistake by introducing gear 5. imo gear 5 is one of shonen best transformations |
Dec 9, 2023 7:40 AM
#31
Nugi97 said: @Kidzuna blud tried so hard to clean his hands by removing his scoring on SAO, pathetic, lol. Giving a 10/10 so easily like that, especially on that garbage series, shows how bad your taste is, no wonder you defend Oda's L so much, you can't even stand a constructive criticism, and giving a scale of 3 (bad), 5 (average), 7 (good), and 10 (masterpiece) is something common on collecting and computing data if you're not familiar with it, no need to put random score as your liking. Debunked on what? All I see is only defending L from Oda, smh You can check that Sao is in my plan to watch list if you want and still if you think I've changed it from "watched" to "Plan to watch" here's my last list updates It sure would be embarassing to be you๐ Making a forum and being completely annihilated for being wrong and then yapping stupid allegations ![]() |
Dec 9, 2023 7:46 AM
#32
haki is a bad power system because haki make devil fruits useless and whoever has superior haki wins, so each time luffy fights a opponent he has to improve his haki to win and this ruines the power scaling, so by writing gear 5 oda brought devil fruits back and even though kaido had superior haki luffy beat him through devil fruit power, so oda saved the power scaling by writing gear 5 |
Dec 9, 2023 8:33 AM
#33
So it was a matter of time till MAL filled with toxics. Always thought OP haters lack some bital brain cells, and now I’m pretty sure of it |
Dec 9, 2023 9:01 AM
#34
Nugi97 said: Yep, I thought Haki was Oda's most lazy writing and ass pull as he didn't know how to deal with Logia users, but no, turns out Nika is his lamest plot. After all that hype against Kaido, then what's the point of making Luffy look like the Chosen One if some brat could've become Nika either? Then Kuma is the strongest one in this series at this point as he believed and practiced Nika and its philosophy from his childhood. This plot is a mess, smh. I don't think she was literally becoming Nika. She just imitated Nika and made her arm bigger. She doesn't have the freedom of power that Nika has. Edit: Never mind, I'm being stupid. |
SpleefyDec 9, 2023 4:30 PM
Dec 9, 2023 2:28 PM
#35
zoro was so badass the last chapter. wdym the chapter wasn't good Lol. Can't wait for 1102 |
Dec 10, 2023 2:40 AM
#37
I don't think you know what an asspull is, nor read 1101 to really think it changed or "rUiNeD" anything in that regard. This whole thread is made to gather hatemongers like yourself to shit on the manga, I'm willing to bet. The Nika reveal was foreshadowed for at least a year before the power-up even popped up after his third defeat. |
Dec 10, 2023 6:48 AM
#38
Danpmss said: I don't think you know what an asspull is, nor read 1101 to really think it changed or "rUiNeD" anything in that regard. This whole thread is made to gather hatemongers like yourself to shit on the manga, I'm willing to bet. The Nika reveal was foreshadowed for at least a year before the power-up even popped up after his third defeat. What year? The storyline's year or in general? |
Dec 10, 2023 7:00 AM
#39
Reply to Asoockie
Danpmss said:
I don't think you know what an asspull is, nor read 1101 to really think it changed or "rUiNeD" anything in that regard.
This whole thread is made to gather hatemongers like yourself to shit on the manga, I'm willing to bet. The Nika reveal was foreshadowed for at least a year before the power-up even popped up after his third defeat.
I don't think you know what an asspull is, nor read 1101 to really think it changed or "rUiNeD" anything in that regard.
This whole thread is made to gather hatemongers like yourself to shit on the manga, I'm willing to bet. The Nika reveal was foreshadowed for at least a year before the power-up even popped up after his third defeat.
What year? The storyline's year or in general?
@Asoockie As the manga published. It was like an incredibly popular and rather obvious theory for the next power up, for basically an entire year since Jinbe's fight. |
Dec 10, 2023 7:23 PM
#40
This just *feels* nitpicky, idk. It feels like you read through the chapters once and then got mad. |
Dec 10, 2023 7:26 PM
#41
onespankman said: Haki is lazy writing? I knew nothing about One Piece when I started three years ago, and was able to easily predict a second power system would be introduced. This solves a ton of possible story problems, I’ll just list some out. 1. Explains how some top-level pirates and marines are strong without devil fruits. 2. Makes battles more interesting by introducing a new dimension to combat (several if you consider the different forms of haki) 3. Gives a counter to logia fruits other than specific weaknesses (like crocodile’s weakness to water) 4. Explains how mantra from Skypiea works (this is the latest point Oda could have come up with the idea of haki). 5. Connects characters’ will more explicitly to their physical strength, which hammers home the series themes more. It’s strange to call a plot device so endlessly engaging and meticulously foreshadowed an ass pull. Maybe you just weren’t paying close enough attention. It’s reasonable to dislike the gear 5 reveal, though I’d argue it’s quite thematically resonant. I’ll admit it feels like a retcon even if it doesn’t directly contradict anything previously established. It seems like you’re just offended by the introduction of new information. Offended by the introduction of new information hits the nail right on the head. Coming from a HxH background, the power systems in One Piece are digestible and engaging. OP is smoking something, idk |
Dec 11, 2023 3:01 AM
#42
I'm also not a big haki bro or nika fan. It doesn't ruin everything for me, but the nika thing does bring a lot of baggage with it for sure. It has a lot I like and a lot I don't. I liked the chapter though. Bonney has already shown she can turn people into older versions of themselves from some sort of alternate future. Makes sense she can do the same with herself. Probably going to get some time travel shenanigans at some point maybe. |
Dec 11, 2023 8:17 AM
#43
Tf are you talking about lol. Bonney isn't Nika because she's using rubber-esque attacks or she has a move that has the name Nika in it. So basically, this post came about because of your own misunderstanding of chapter 1101.... |
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