Wano is Bad

Did he come just to be humiliated by Shanks?

Leon888 said:
Honestly I was disappointed with the way Oda handled this arc, Oda and the fans made it seem like one of the best arcs, when in reality it's pretty bad... although there are some good things like Oden's flashback or some characters introduced in this narrative arc, I can't hold back my disappointment for Oda's terrible writing, I will list 5 points that really disappointed me:

1- Kinemon's undeath: I didn't quite understand what Oda had in mind when he decided to spare this character, after having been on the verge of dying with Kaido twice, and when he hit him on the head with the haki king's knife, and when I pierced him with his sword, it turns out that he is still alive only because Law hadn't reattached it properly ☠️ ? Oda, what are you doing? Not to mention that this war had very few victims, some not even confirmed, it should be a war and instead Oda turns it more into a battle between street gangs...

2- Big Mom's mismanagement: aside from the fact that throughout Wano she was ridiculed like few characters, I still don't understand how Kid and Law managed to defeat her, considering that Big Mom didn't even use the king's haki in her blows to face them, in addition to the fact that it annoys me that she was thrown away like this by Oda, and that from Fishman Island that Linlin had a pending clash with Luffy, something she also reiterated at the Wci with Katakuri and then was defeated by 2 newbies who we don't know how they learned the awakening (at least in the case of Law who didn't have it before)...

3- Greenbull's mismanagement: here's another character humiliated by Oda, I didn't quite understand what Greenbull's role was in Wano? Did he come just to be humiliated by Shanks? Truly ? A character who with his presentation appeared really very cool, both in his first appearance when he said he had fasted for 3 years, and against the easily beaten King and Queen (even if they were tired), and then letting Wano escape without any real implications? How to ruin a character...

4- Zoro's past: I don't really understand why in Wano, which was supposed to be Zoro's saga, Zoro doesn't receive any in-depth analysis, only new power ups, but what about his past? said in sbs, his bond with Ryuma? Never mentioned, we don't even see a scene where he could have visited his grave where he could have returned the sword he got at Thriller Bark, Sanji had a lot of depth in Wci and Zoro nothing...

5- the gear 5: I don't understand why Oda wanted to reconfigure his own fruit and thus ruin the concept that was the basis of One Piece, Luffy was beautiful as a protagonist because even if he had advantages (family, luck, companions), however he was an ordinary person who tried to aspire to the famous treasure equipped with one of the weakest powers ever that Luffy made his ingenuity strong... now we discover instead not only that Luffy has one of the strongest fruits ever (from paramisha to zoan mythological divine), but who is the most predestined character in the history of anime and manga: an important fruit for the plot, reincarnation of Joy boy, having become the nika nika god of liberation... in addition to the fact that this power has taken away everything the pathos of the clash with Kaido, just the fact of having defeated Luffy and Luffy himself being constantly resurrected, did not drive anyone crazy, let's also add that the most powerful creature in the world, which should be one of the most important threats for the protagonist, he is defeated by a power that makes the whole thing a parody of Tom and Jerry and that's when I ask myself: what the hell am I watching Oda? one tease after another?

I could continue but I'll stop here, I really don't understand how people can appreciate everything Oda creates without stopping for a moment whether what they see makes sense or not...

Hitagi__Furude said:
Here is some food for thought for you OP,

If Luffy's fruit was indeed a really big threat by the Gorosei...
Then why didnt they do anything about it the entire series considering with all the power they have on the government???
especially on the fact that they already know him eversince he got a bounty!!!

Bijou146 said:

This arc is a masterpiece, I don't care what you say!

Lonelygutsclone said:

typical stanboy glazing one of the most inconsistent arcs in all of one piece

Cayusashi said:
I think you have a few good critiques of Wano, but none of what you said makes it a bad arc. Ki'nemon should have died, Big Mom should have fought Luffy 1v1 at some point, and Zoro should have gotten development in Wano. I completely disagree with you about Greenbull and gear 5, however. I like Greenbull's introduction and don't really understand why you think it ruined his character when he was literally just introduced and one shot by Shanks who's been built up for over 1000 episodes.

I think your critique about Luffy's fruit changing into something completely different is valid, but it still falls well in line with how Luffy has been portrayed until this point. His powers have always been goofy and gear 5 is the ultimate version of it. Joyboy (Luffy) is the Warrior who brings smiles to people's faces. this applies to both the people in the universe and to us as the audience. there's a statement from Oda about how Luffy's powers have always been a form of comic relief so the story doesn't get too serious, for example. I know I busted out laughing multiple times seeing how Luffy manhandled Kaido which was the point of the power up.

I think you're going a bit far to say Wano was straight up bad. it's a pretty good culmination of the post time skip so far, even if it's not the best arc in the series.

GTRaijin said:
TL:DR - It's pointless to say anything negative about One Piece because the fanboys will just praise it like it's the next coming of jesus while taking a shit on everything you say.

Leon888 said:
Honestly I was disappointed with the way Oda handled this arc, Oda and the fans made it seem like one of the best arcs, when in reality it's pretty bad... although there are some good things like Oden's flashback or some characters introduced in this narrative arc, I can't hold back my disappointment for Oda's terrible writing, I will list 5 points that really disappointed me:

1- Kinemon's undeath: I didn't quite understand what Oda had in mind when he decided to spare this character, after having been on the verge of dying with Kaido twice, and when he hit him on the head with the haki king's knife, and when I pierced him with his sword, it turns out that he is still alive only because Law hadn't reattached it properly ☠️ ? Oda, what are you doing? Not to mention that this war had very few victims, some not even confirmed, it should be a war and instead Oda turns it more into a battle between street gangs...

2- Big Mom's mismanagement: aside from the fact that throughout Wano she was ridiculed like few characters, I still don't understand how Kid and Law managed to defeat her, considering that Big Mom didn't even use the king's haki in her blows to face them, in addition to the fact that it annoys me that she was thrown away like this by Oda, and that from Fishman Island that Linlin had a pending clash with Luffy, something she also reiterated at the Wci with Katakuri and then was defeated by 2 newbies who we don't know how they learned the awakening (at least in the case of Law who didn't have it before)...

3- Greenbull's mismanagement: here's another character humiliated by Oda, I didn't quite understand what Greenbull's role was in Wano? Did he come just to be humiliated by Shanks? Truly ? A character who with his presentation appeared really very cool, both in his first appearance when he said he had fasted for 3 years, and against the easily beaten King and Queen (even if they were tired), and then letting Wano escape without any real implications? How to ruin a character...

4- Zoro's past: I don't really understand why in Wano, which was supposed to be Zoro's saga, Zoro doesn't receive any in-depth analysis, only new power ups, but what about his past? said in sbs, his bond with Ryuma? Never mentioned, we don't even see a scene where he could have visited his grave where he could have returned the sword he got at Thriller Bark, Sanji had a lot of depth in Wci and Zoro nothing...

5- the gear 5: I don't understand why Oda wanted to reconfigure his own fruit and thus ruin the concept that was the basis of One Piece, Luffy was beautiful as a protagonist because even if he had advantages (family, luck, companions), however he was an ordinary person who tried to aspire to the famous treasure equipped with one of the weakest powers ever that Luffy made his ingenuity strong... now we discover instead not only that Luffy has one of the strongest fruits ever (from paramisha to zoan mythological divine), but who is the most predestined character in the history of anime and manga: an important fruit for the plot, reincarnation of Joy boy, having become the nika nika god of liberation... in addition to the fact that this power has taken away everything the pathos of the clash with Kaido, just the fact of having defeated Luffy and Luffy himself being constantly resurrected, did not drive anyone crazy, let's also add that the most powerful creature in the world, which should be one of the most important threats for the protagonist, he is defeated by a power that makes the whole thing a parody of Tom and Jerry and that's when I ask myself: what the hell am I watching Oda? one tease after another?

I could continue but I'll stop here, I really don't understand how people can appreciate everything Oda creates without stopping for a moment whether what they see makes sense or not...

Early_Morning said:
@Cayusashi The fact that Ryokugyu - an Admiral - got frightened by a Yonko's haki is exactly what people find fault with. Consider that Kizaru - also an Admiral - had previously asked Sakazuki's permission to be sent to Wano to face two Yonko, yet here we had a newly introduced Admiral who was scared of a single Yonko's haki that was coming from a ship and not even on the island itself.

Regardless of how Shanks has been built up, it was still very disappointing to finally get Ryokugyu's debut only for him to run away with his tail between his legs a couple chapters/episodes later.

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And I love how these criticism threads always involve the same; a bunch of very obvious alts come in and don't bother reading the OP and just type a few words of disagreement but don't bother to clarify their opinion on why exactly they disagree.

AwokenStroken said:
I don't know why you made this post... People are just gonna shit on you (probably without even reading through it)

Honestly you should change the title to "wano is good" but keep the actual post the same just so you can get more positive feedback (cuz you know they aren't gonna read that shit anyway.)

Leon888 said:
Honestly I was disappointed with the way Oda handled this arc, Oda and the fans made it seem like one of the best arcs, when in reality it's pretty bad... although there are some good things like Oden's flashback or some characters introduced in this narrative arc, I can't hold back my disappointment for Oda's terrible writing, I will list 5 points that really disappointed me:

1- Kinemon's undeath: I didn't quite understand what Oda had in mind when he decided to spare this character, after having been on the verge of dying with Kaido twice, and when he hit him on the head with the haki king's knife, and when I pierced him with his sword, it turns out that he is still alive only because Law hadn't reattached it properly ☠️ ? Oda, what are you doing? Not to mention that this war had very few victims, some not even confirmed, it should be a war and instead Oda turns it more into a battle between street gangs...

2- Big Mom's mismanagement: aside from the fact that throughout Wano she was ridiculed like few characters, I still don't understand how Kid and Law managed to defeat her, considering that Big Mom didn't even use the king's haki in her blows to face them, in addition to the fact that it annoys me that she was thrown away like this by Oda, and that from Fishman Island that Linlin had a pending clash with Luffy, something she also reiterated at the Wci with Katakuri and then was defeated by 2 newbies who we don't know how they learned the awakening (at least in the case of Law who didn't have it before)...

3- Greenbull's mismanagement: here's another character humiliated by Oda, I didn't quite understand what Greenbull's role was in Wano? Did he come just to be humiliated by Shanks? Truly ? A character who with his presentation appeared really very cool, both in his first appearance when he said he had fasted for 3 years, and against the easily beaten King and Queen (even if they were tired), and then letting Wano escape without any real implications? How to ruin a character...

4- Zoro's past: I don't really understand why in Wano, which was supposed to be Zoro's saga, Zoro doesn't receive any in-depth analysis, only new power ups, but what about his past? said in sbs, his bond with Ryuma? Never mentioned, we don't even see a scene where he could have visited his grave where he could have returned the sword he got at Thriller Bark, Sanji had a lot of depth in Wci and Zoro nothing...

5- the gear 5: I don't understand why Oda wanted to reconfigure his own fruit and thus ruin the concept that was the basis of One Piece, Luffy was beautiful as a protagonist because even if he had advantages (family, luck, companions), however he was an ordinary person who tried to aspire to the famous treasure equipped with one of the weakest powers ever that Luffy made his ingenuity strong... now we discover instead not only that Luffy has one of the strongest fruits ever (from paramisha to zoan mythological divine), but who is the most predestined character in the history of anime and manga: an important fruit for the plot, reincarnation of Joy boy, having become the nika nika god of liberation... in addition to the fact that this power has taken away everything the pathos of the clash with Kaido, just the fact of having defeated Luffy and Luffy himself being constantly resurrected, did not drive anyone crazy, let's also add that the most powerful creature in the world, which should be one of the most important threats for the protagonist, he is defeated by a power that makes the whole thing a parody of Tom and Jerry and that's when I ask myself: what the hell am I watching Oda? one tease after another?

I could continue but I'll stop here, I really don't understand how people can appreciate everything Oda creates without stopping for a moment whether what they see makes sense or not...

GTRaijin said:
TL:DR - It's pointless to say anything negative about One Piece because the fanboys will just praise it like it's the next coming of jesus while taking a shit on everything you say.