It's only fair.  Yes, it's source material was made by a Japanese mangaka and produced by a Japanese studio, however, using the same logic from the DB mod from above, Afro Samurai has no Japanese dub, it was made in collaboration with SLJ & his group and released for a western audience thanks to Funimation, months before it was subbed and released for the Japanese market. Jackson also worked alongside the staff as well as an executive producer. There is no way in hell that Afro Samurai was intended for the Japanese audience. Show some consistency with the enforcement of the rules instead of nitpicking certain shows you feel like they aren't deserving of an entry on MAL. Or rather, change the rule about intended audiences as anime is produced more and more for all audiences, both Japanese and Overseas. What about many of the other anime that have western audiences in mind? Star Wars: Visions (released on Disney+ for everyone all at once)? Cyberpunk Edgerunners, whose game was produced by a Polish studio and whose anime was released on Netflix, the same way as SPTO was released? Edit: My question for the mods - if Afro Samurai was released today on Adult Swim and without a Japanese dub, would you guys still add it to the DB? |
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| Space Dandy or literally any other Adult Swim funded production wasn't aimed at the Japanese market. Just sayin. |
| The "its not aimed at Japanese audience" statement makes no real sense. Where is their source that validates that statement? Why does that matter? There are plenty of Anime on MAL that arent "aimed at Japanese audience" and yet are still here. Heck, MAL even lists donhua, manhua, aeni, and manhwa on the site, actively braking their own rules in far more obvious ways than Scott Pilgrim Takes Off done by an actual Japanese studio. But by that persons logic, those are fine cause its aimed at Japanese audience, completely ignoring that by definition those arent even anime or manga. Why is MAL staff putting their own biases in front of actually doing their job? |
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| I'm glad everyone here thinks this is stupid as well, I honestly think it has to be some sort of personal bias because it makes absoloutely no sense to me??? What gets me most is that it comes up when you google "Scott Pilgrim MAL" then goes to a 404, did they seriously delete it after someone made a listing, or what? Either way, it's so bizzare. I wonder if by not for a Japanese audience they just mean it's too mainstream of a show outside anime circles right now lmao, that's my random hunch. The way the message goes "one thing is never a deciding factor" when almost every part of the anime is Japanese except for what, the IP? The setting? The creator? Some members on a team absloutely filled with Japanese members???? i seriously don't have an answer, like what was this suposedly dealbreaking factor? |
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I'm glad everyone here thinks this is stupid as well, I honestly think it has to be some sort of personal bias because it makes absoloutely no sense to me??? What gets me most is that it comes up when you google "Scott Pilgrim MAL" then goes to a 404, did they seriously delete it after someone made a listing, or what? Either way, it's so bizzare. I wonder if by not for a Japanese audience they just mean it's too mainstream of a show outside anime circles right now lmao, that's my random hunch. The way the message goes "one thing is never a deciding factor" when almost every part of the anime is Japanese except for what, the IP? The setting? The creator? Some members on a team absloutely filled with Japanese members???? i seriously don't have an answer, like what was this suposedly dealbreaking factor?
| @ouenji-juusu If SPTO is "too mainstream" then Pokemon should be removed from the database haha. They should just add SPTO already. |
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If that's the "reasoning", can someone tell me why the database includes animation from China?
| @Sparks00 Because MAL staff is lazy to remove them, so they keep saying "lalalala" and continue including Chinese and Korean stuff, which aint even Anime or manga. It is possible that audiences overlap in some ways...but same thing can be said for western animation and comics. |
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@Sparks00 Because MAL staff is lazy to remove them, so they keep saying "lalalala" and continue including Chinese and Korean stuff, which aint even Anime or manga. It is possible that audiences overlap in some ways...but same thing can be said for western animation and comics.
| @Technopunk @Sparks00 Chinese and Korean animation have always been allowed. While the website is called MyAnimeList, it is really a database for East Asian comics and animations; the guidelines do not confuse this, explicitly stating that aeni, and donghua are allowed. Additionally, every other major anime database also includes Chinese and Korean works. |
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@Technopunk @Sparks00
Chinese and Korean animation have always been allowed. While the website is called MyAnimeList, it is really a database for East Asian comics and animations; the guidelines do not confuse this, explicitly stating that aeni, and donghua are allowed. Additionally, every other major anime database also includes Chinese and Korean works.
Chinese and Korean animation have always been allowed. While the website is called MyAnimeList, it is really a database for East Asian comics and animations; the guidelines do not confuse this, explicitly stating that aeni, and donghua are allowed. Additionally, every other major anime database also includes Chinese and Korean works.
| @Kwanthemaster Allowing Chinese and Korean content on the site and then making excuses as to why a Japanese production cant be included is just mind boggling. At this point, should just also include Western animation and other regions, cause why not. They dont care to make a differentiation between whats Japanese or not as shown with Chinese and Korean content, so why even bother making excuses against this inclusion, when it has even more right to be on the site than content from these other two regions? |
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| All these dumbass mods are seriously pissing me off, Scott Pilgrim Takes Off is literally anime!!! There is no other definition for this, all their points against it not being an anime have been fully disproven but they have a grudge agaisnt Netflix or something idfk! |
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@Kwanthemaster Allowing Chinese and Korean content on the site and then making excuses as to why a Japanese production cant be included is just mind boggling. At this point, should just also include Western animation and other regions, cause why not. They dont care to make a differentiation between whats Japanese or not as shown with Chinese and Korean content, so why even bother making excuses against this inclusion, when it has even more right to be on the site than content from these other two regions?
| @Technopunk My point is just that animation from these countries have always been allowed. Instead of branding the website as MyEastAsianCartoonList or something, "anime" is simply what's used. "Not Japanese enough" applies equally for "not Chinese enough" or "not Korean enough, it's just not productive to list all of the countries in every discussion. All this said though, I have been defending Scott Pilgram since day one, so I agree it should be added - I'm just answering Sparks00's original question. |
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@Kwanthemaster The point I was making is that with the reasoning why SPTO is exclude, that it's not "not aimed for the Japanese Market", is not a good enough reasoning considering the inclusion of Chinese and Korean animation in the first place. Also, Gotham Knight is included into the database, and would people actually argue that it's aimed more for the Japanese Market than SPTO? Hence, I agree with OP here, they need to do a better job enforcing their rules.
Also MAL didn't always include Chinese and Korean animation. But it came to a point where they decided to make an exception and update their rules.
Also MAL didn't always include Chinese and Korean animation. But it came to a point where they decided to make an exception and update their rules.
| @Sparks00 Ah alright, fair enough. I thought they were included from the start, but I could be wrong. I agree about the consistency, but from my point of view, if you've already added something, then from that point on, this is the standard your should be following. Instead of moving backwards and removing things, become consistent by adding the missing things which are in the same situation. |
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Oh look Mother's Basement just dropped a 23 minute video of Scott Pilgrim vs. Anime Gatekeepers
Seems like an open and shut case of it being anime. It would make more sense to remove Chinese and South Korean produced animations before the Scott Pilgram anime as anime is made in Japan and not just any Asian country.
Seems like an open and shut case of it being anime. It would make more sense to remove Chinese and South Korean produced animations before the Scott Pilgram anime as anime is made in Japan and not just any Asian country.
| @Platypuslord assuming the majority of people here care about the opinions of "Geoff Thew, professional shitbag". pretty sure he hasn't brought anything new to the table that hasn't been mentioned in these threads already. as long as the database curators can't get the stick out of their ass this is how it is |
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| This is the most garbage reasoning ever. I knew MAL was run by braindead people but not to this extent. If you are still partaking in the arguement of what is and isnt "anime" in this day and age please re-evaluate your life. You can still grow as a person and become something worth loving, for yourself, first and foremost. |
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@Kwanthemaster The point I was making is that with the reasoning why SPTO is exclude, that it's not "not aimed for the Japanese Market", is not a good enough reasoning considering the inclusion of Chinese and Korean animation in the first place. Also, Gotham Knight is included into the database, and would people actually argue that it's aimed more for the Japanese Market than SPTO? Hence, I agree with OP here, they need to do a better job enforcing their rules.
Also MAL didn't always include Chinese and Korean animation. But it came to a point where they decided to make an exception and update their rules.
Also MAL didn't always include Chinese and Korean animation. But it came to a point where they decided to make an exception and update their rules.
Sparks00 said: Also MAL didn't always include Chinese and Korean animation. But it came to a point where they decided to make an exception and update their rules. Why did they decide to add those to the database? |
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| redundant because everyone agrees but: this is such a weird line to draw. i hope mal staff change their minds because i'd really like to add this to my list! (the main draw of mal for me is that i can make my list look fun + get recommendations from friends. i guess realistically i could just make a personal website to keep all my info on and watch more anime yt? idk this is annoying :[) |
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| I think this is mostly about the writing, O'Maley and BenDavid Grabinski are the sole writers for the show, making it not an "anime", even if visually it looks like one. @ChrissaSJE @321gametimee Since when is anime all about the animation? Most of what makes people get into anime is bc of the types of story, not bc of how it looks. |
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| The logic MAL is using doesn't make sense, it falls apart when looked at for more than two seconds. Cyberpunk Edgerunners is on MAL. The source material is western in nature, just like SPTO. It was animated by a Japanese Animation Studio, like SPTO. It was a Netflix Production, just like SPTO. As a Netflix Production of western source material, it can be argued the primary market was NA, just like SPTO. Despite that, it released with both English and Japanese dubs, just like SPTO. The Executive Producer was not Japanese, just like SPTO. The Director, however, is Japanese. Just like SPTO. Cyberpunk Edgerunners is on MAL. Scott Pilgrim Takes Off should be on MAL. It's that simple. |
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I think this is mostly about the writing, O'Maley and BenDavid Grabinski are the sole writers for the show, making it not an "anime", even if visually it looks like one.
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Since when is anime all about the animation? Most of what makes people get into anime is bc of the types of story, not bc of how it looks.
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Since when is anime all about the animation? Most of what makes people get into anime is bc of the types of story, not bc of how it looks.
| @SteelingMax id argue that visual storytelling is an extremely important part of how effectively the story is told |
| Meanwhile chinese manhua adaptation made by chinese studio dubbed in chinese aimed at chinese audience is on MAL. Sure. |
| Imagine living in Japan for 10 years, you get your Japanese citizenship, you are so invested in animation that you become the head of animation at freaking Science SARU, and yet you still don't get to make "anime". |
AkaidanNov 28, 2023 5:15 PM
| Very weirdly defensive/aggressive responses from what I assume is a database moderator. Obviously this should be added to the database. As others have said, Chinese and Korean animations are on here, so their argument falls apart immediately. I haven't even seen this series, so I'm not coming at it from the perspective of a fan that wants to track it. |
| MAL is a broken website. |
| Ahaha I just knew I wouldn't find SPTO on here. This site is pathetic. |
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