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Nov 22, 2023 10:07 PM
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Here's the thing, the shonen discourse about the treatment of female characters is not a favourite topic to discuss with anime fans. People always like to bring up 'Sakura' during these discussions, please try to not bring her into discussions. In 2020, people praised Nobara for being a great female character since she showed a lot of potential, but it feels like she was underutilized in this arc.

I hoped that she would get some badass fight with Haruto but in the end, she got interrupted by Nanami who comes and obliterates Haruto which is meant to display a mismatch of power between Nanami and Nobara which is kind of upsetting, to be honest. I know this is certainly a high expectation, but let's hope Nobara will be given an active role instead of being put on sidelines in otherwise what is supposed to be the 'peak of Jujutsu kaisen's story'

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Nov 22, 2023 10:24 PM
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I think in this season she doesn't get enough screentime
Nov 22, 2023 10:35 PM
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Her character serves a specific purpose for the story. If you’re putting her on a pedestal than you’re in for a big disappointment. Many fans overhyped her character to a certain extent however she is still genuinely well written. I’m interested to hear your thoughts by this season’s conclusion and going forward.
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Here's the thing, the shonen discourse about the treatment of female characters is not a favourite topic to discuss with anime fans. People always like to bring up 'Sakura' during these discussions, please try to not bring her into discussions. In 2020, people praised Nobara for being a great female character since she showed a lot of potential, but it feels like she was underutilized in this arc.

I hoped that she would get some badass fight with Haruto but in the end, she got interrupted by Nanami who comes and obliterates Haruto which is meant to display a mismatch of power between Nanami and Nobara which is kind of upsetting, to be honest. I know this is certainly a high expectation, but let's hope Nobara will be given an active role instead of being put on sidelines in otherwise what is supposed to be the 'peak of Jujutsu kaisen's story'


She’s certainly a well written character but she was overhyped by the fans



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Pretty sure she will still have her time to shine.
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After watching JJK S1 I started reading the JJK manga. And only after getting caught up with JJK did I read (and finished) Naruto. I haven't watched the Naruto anime yet.

I really liked the character of Nobara....but only after completing Naruto did I realize how under-developed Nobara is in comparison to Sakura.

Sakura is considered useless by many....but not by me. Alongside Naruto, her character was developed over 700 chapters. Across those 700 chapters, Sakura matured, struggled with "inner Sakura", got frustrated over not being able to keep up with Naruto's and Sasuke's growth as ninjas, came to terms with it, realized her own potential as a medic ninja, became Tsunade's apprentice and later her successor, matured to understand Naruto better as well as his motivation and devotion to bringing Sasuke back to Konoha and finally received closure for her unrequited love for Sasuke.

And thus, in my opinion, Sakura is a significantly more developed character than Nobara...but then, Gege's writing cannot be compared to Kishimoto's....there's a reason Naruto is a classic....and that isn't all attributable to nostalgia.
Nov 23, 2023 12:50 AM
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The parts we got with Nobara were better than most other female characters in shonen. But yeah, too little got done with her over all in JJK.

Maki gets focussed on more, from this point on - and while this is nice too, it's NOTHING compared to what Fujimoto has done with his female characters (especially Asa) in Chainsaw Man.
Nov 23, 2023 12:56 AM
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After watching JJK S1 I started reading the JJK manga. And only after getting caught up with JJK did I read (and finished) Naruto. I haven't watched the Naruto anime yet.

I really liked the character of Nobara....but only after completing Naruto did I realize how under-developed Nobara is in comparison to Sakura.

Sakura is considered useless by many....but not by me. Alongside Naruto, her character was developed over 700 chapters. Across those 700 chapters, Sakura matured, struggled with "inner Sakura", got frustrated over not being able to keep up with Naruto's and Sasuke's growth as ninjas, came to terms with it, realized her own potential as a medic ninja, became Tsunade's apprentice and later her successor, matured to understand Naruto better as well as his motivation and devotion to bringing Sasuke back to Konoha and finally received closure for her unrequited love for Sasuke.

And thus, in my opinion, Sakura is a significantly more developed character than Nobara...but then, Gege's writing cannot be compared to Kishimoto's....there's a reason Naruto is a classic....and that isn't all attributable to nostalgia.

Just because Sakura was 'around' for 700 chapters, doesn't mean she got good character development man. She starts off as a simp for Sasuke, and even after EVERYTHING that he does (both to others & her), she still stays the same simp. I'd hardly call that development.

And while she did show promise when she stepped up to Tsunade & asked to be made her apprentice, she never really mattered in the story in any meaningful way in all of Shippuden (neither in terms of fighting ability, nor as a character with depth or interesting qualities people liked to read about).

Naruto, despite the awful ending, was great for the most part, and therefore DOES deserve it's classic status - but NOT because of Sakura, man.
Nov 23, 2023 2:11 AM
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I think in this season she doesn't get enough screentime

i think she gets decent screentime
but its only used to show how inferior she currently is compared to nanami. i think it was preety badass nanami appearing to save the day but nobara shouldve acomplished something b4 that. if she had been roughed up by some other spirit i wouldn't complain (like what happened to megumi) but she had no business being weaker than blondie (ofc it would feel repeated so i was hoping for a diferent kind of plot in her part)
Nov 23, 2023 4:36 AM
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Unfortunately this is where female characters that aren’t Maki take a nose dive. Not to spoil anything but yeah don’t get your hopes up for most female characters moving onward.
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After watching JJK S1 I started reading the JJK manga. And only after getting caught up with JJK did I read (and finished) Naruto. I haven't watched the Naruto anime yet.

I really liked the character of Nobara....but only after completing Naruto did I realize how under-developed Nobara is in comparison to Sakura.

Sakura is considered useless by many....but not by me. Alongside Naruto, her character was developed over 700 chapters. Across those 700 chapters, Sakura matured, struggled with "inner Sakura", got frustrated over not being able to keep up with Naruto's and Sasuke's growth as ninjas, came to terms with it, realized her own potential as a medic ninja, became Tsunade's apprentice and later her successor, matured to understand Naruto better as well as his motivation and devotion to bringing Sasuke back to Konoha and finally received closure for her unrequited love for Sasuke.

And thus, in my opinion, Sakura is a significantly more developed character than Nobara...but then, Gege's writing cannot be compared to Kishimoto's....there's a reason Naruto is a classic....and that isn't all attributable to nostalgia.
@btech2009 Naruto sucks ass, what you even talking about bruh, dont compare that garbage with magnificent Jujutsu, which is not even done yet and is already much better than crappy Naruto
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@btech2009 Naruto sucks ass, what you even talking about bruh, dont compare that garbage with magnificent Jujutsu, which is not even done yet and is already much better than crappy Naruto

in terms of writing quality, I'd say jjk and Naruto are on the same level of bad rn. they both have awful character writing in opposite ways
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Jujutsu isn't the generic shonen where the good guys get Power Ups constantly to keep up with the stronger bad guys. From this point on only the strong sorcerers will matter while the weak ones will get sidelined.
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Sanjay63773 said:
Here's the thing, the shonen discourse about the treatment of female characters is not a favourite topic to discuss with anime fans. People always like to bring up 'Sakura' during these discussions, please try to not bring her into discussions. In 2020, people praised Nobara for being a great female character since she showed a lot of potential, but it feels like she was underutilized in this arc.

I hoped that she would get some badass fight with Haruto but in the end, she got interrupted by Nanami who comes and obliterates Haruto which is meant to display a mismatch of power between Nanami and Nobara which is kind of upsetting, to be honest. I know this is certainly a high expectation, but let's hope Nobara will be given an active role instead of being put on sidelines in otherwise what is supposed to be the 'peak of Jujutsu kaisen's story'


“to display a mismatch of power” big sentence i think you don't understand the premise? it's clear because nanami is a grade 1 sorcerer. there's a lot of strong female characters btw.
Nov 23, 2023 8:50 AM
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The fact that she is listed as a main character this season on MAL is laughable. She's had 10 minutes of screentime in 18 episodes.
Nov 23, 2023 10:10 AM
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don't worry, she's yet to get her mind blowing moment this season, you'll love it
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don't worry, she's yet to get her mind blowing moment this season, you'll love it
@Snack_pack yup it's gonna be an eye-popping moment for sure
Nov 23, 2023 11:43 AM
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Tbh there’s no hope broski Gege doesn’t like females in his manga, even if he does have a decent female character he kills her off he probably thinks of maki as a male hence why she lasted this long

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Talking about story or character development in JJK, is like talking about it in Mortal Kombat. It's there of course, but it's just enough to keep you interested in the next cool fight.
If authors wanted to show you serious character development, they wouldn't waste so much time on exposition about their abilities. But exposition is necessary, because without it you wouldn't understand what's all this crazy stuff is going on in the screen.
Nov 23, 2023 11:49 AM
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Tbh I give black clover grief but when u actually think about it tabata actually uses his female cast to their full potential giving them development and battles etc where’s other series the mainstream ones kinda shits on em hori from my hero is another like Gege, hori would create crazy cool female type character only for him to shit on her after look at what he did to miroko she’s lost god damn all her limbs and well star she doesn’t have the main cast plot amour to survive a frontal battle against the big bad also I stared reading dandandan I think the author doesn’t females pretty decent better than most tbh dandandan lowkey the goat best series ever I might be bias

Nov 23, 2023 12:41 PM

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I'm pretty sure Gege only added her orignally bc his editors told him to.
Nov 23, 2023 1:26 PM

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I don't know, never really found her character to be anything substantial, enjoyable or interesting to be honest. I also generally don't like the main four and think the side characters have more potential than them to be anywhere close to fun or interesting to watch. She's always just... kind of existed and there are times she is forgettable too, even from early on besides maybe the final couple episodes of season 1.
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yep, she was one of the few characters i gave a shit about in s1 but damn they massacred my girl, never let gege cook again. couldn't care less about any of the remaining females ever since.
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Females in JJK is garbage and useless as any other shounen. JJK Manga readers know this.
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Bad timing but she is useless.


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To be fair to Nobara, almost everyone has been a wasted potential in this season, including Megumi, he hasn't done much in this season either, the only noticeable thing he did was summoning that weird white thing in the previous episode and that's it, and maybe defeat a few crappy villains here and there with the help of Itadori but he hasn't done much either.

The good guys are under-leveled against the bad guys in this arc, which is why almost no one was able to shine in this arc, Nobara just happened to be the one receiving the short end of the stick but maybe she will shine a bit in the next episode and once this happens, she will be "balanced" as the rest of the other characters that hasn't done much in this arc.
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The parts we got with Nobara were better than most other female characters in shonen. But yeah, too little got done with her over all in JJK.

Maki gets focussed on more, from this point on - and while this is nice too, it's NOTHING compared to what Fujimoto has done with his female characters (especially Asa) in Chainsaw Man.
@Arjun_Manoj lmao that's huge cap, Nobara is literally nothing special writing wise, Maki for example is a 100% better female character and it still nothing that special too.
Nov 23, 2023 9:52 PM
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Ever since maki was introduced I preferred her
Nov 23, 2023 10:09 PM

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Feel like Nobara was an after though from gege just to include a female lead and fit into shonen troupe. She's incredibly weak compared to her peers and has no connection to any villains or jujutsu society at all. Maki was obviously the female star of JJK from the start. Nobara was always just there
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that's why gege's writting suck.
tbh jjk really disappointed me.


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Don't slander her, blame the misogynist author
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that's why gege's writting suck.
tbh jjk really disappointed me.


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@Alaska_123 tbh, mappa carried jjk so hard like the manga is mid but the anime, thanks to additions, is more enjoyable
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@Alaska_123 tbh, mappa carried jjk so hard like the manga is mid but the anime, thanks to additions, is more enjoyable
@OnePiece7Sh1 couldn't agree more.
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@OnePiece7Sh1 couldn't agree more.
@Alaska_123 yeah especially yk rn the chapters r so corny(except for the yuta part)
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I think its good she got shelfed
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btech2009 said:
After watching JJK S1 I started reading the JJK manga. And only after getting caught up with JJK did I read (and finished) Naruto. I haven't watched the Naruto anime yet.

I really liked the character of Nobara....but only after completing Naruto did I realize how under-developed Nobara is in comparison to Sakura.

Sakura is considered useless by many....but not by me. Alongside Naruto, her character was developed over 700 chapters. Across those 700 chapters, Sakura matured, struggled with "inner Sakura", got frustrated over not being able to keep up with Naruto's and Sasuke's growth as ninjas, came to terms with it, realized her own potential as a medic ninja, became Tsunade's apprentice and later her successor, matured to understand Naruto better as well as his motivation and devotion to bringing Sasuke back to Konoha and finally received closure for her unrequited love for Sasuke.

And thus, in my opinion, Sakura is a significantly more developed character than Nobara...but then, Gege's writing cannot be compared to Kishimoto's....there's a reason Naruto is a classic....and that isn't all attributable to nostalgia.

JJK is also like 550 chapters shorter so theres that
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luckysjjsjsjs said:
I think in this season she doesn't get enough screentime

i think she gets decent screentime
but its only used to show how inferior she currently is compared to nanami. i think it was preety badass nanami appearing to save the day but nobara shouldve acomplished something b4 that. if she had been roughed up by some other spirit i wouldn't complain (like what happened to megumi) but she had no business being weaker than blondie (ofc it would feel repeated so i was hoping for a diferent kind of plot in her part)

She wasn't weaker??? His technique is luck + she was trying to protect Nitta not fight
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Alex_the_reaper said:

i think she gets decent screentime
but its only used to show how inferior she currently is compared to nanami. i think it was preety badass nanami appearing to save the day but nobara shouldve acomplished something b4 that. if she had been roughed up by some other spirit i wouldn't complain (like what happened to megumi) but she had no business being weaker than blondie (ofc it would feel repeated so i was hoping for a diferent kind of plot in her part)

She wasn't weaker??? His technique is luck + she was trying to protect Nitta not fight

but she hadn't any relevant achievement nevertheless
she hasnt grown since the fight she found the other two in s1, wich rly makes it hard for us to see them as the big trio (yuji, megumi, nobara) i love her technique but she just isnt keeping up, yuji found his technique and had progress with powering up sukuna, megumi is slowly achieving a domain expansion and was able to mostly evade toji for some minutes. nobara is being left behind and its a waste of hwr character
(so far, im not mentioning the manga)
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Sanjay63773 said:
Here's the thing, the shonen discourse about the treatment of female characters is not a favourite topic to discuss with anime fans. People always like to bring up 'Sakura' during these discussions, please try to not bring her into discussions. In 2020, people praised Nobara for being a great female character since she showed a lot of potential, but it feels like she was underutilized in this arc.

I hoped that she would get some badass fight with Haruto but in the end, she got interrupted by Nanami who comes and obliterates Haruto which is meant to display a mismatch of power between Nanami and Nobara which is kind of upsetting, to be honest. I know this is certainly a high expectation, but let's hope Nobara will be given an active role instead of being put on sidelines in otherwise what is supposed to be the 'peak of Jujutsu kaisen's story'


Well...She's Shining In This Latest Episode, And Possibly The Next One So...There U Go
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Don't expect much from Nobara now (manga readers would know). But you sure can bet on Maki and Yuki. These two are one of the best written characters, who happen to be female, in all of anime (imo). Trust me.
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There's no room for that.

Don't you see how fast the pacing is ?

It's not like black clover, mha, naruto, bleach, One piece.. etc

This season 2 is really fast comparing to that season 1.

And watch how important people die in the anime, she will maybe be in this list too. Who knows ( beside mangas readers and spoilers . btw fuk u spoilers, i see you on other platform. childish behaviour. )

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Tbh there’s no hope broski Gege doesn’t like females in his manga, even if he does have a decent female character he kills her off he probably thinks of maki as a male hence why she lasted this long

Gege is a woman///girl///she

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Gege is a woman///girl///she

Gege is male bro, look it up, google it up, YouTube it up



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I never cared much about Nobara. She's not a bad character but doesn't feel that interesting.

I don't know.
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don't worry, she's yet to get her mind blowing moment this season, you'll love it

I see what u did there..
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I would've said manga readers already know this, but to be fair, at this point of the arc when I was reading the manga I didn't realize this because I was so caught up in the whole ordeal and it flew over my head that Nobara was NOT getting as much as she should've as part of the main trio. At this point where I'm at in the manga, I'm more than aware of this, but also watching the anime it's so painfully obvious that she's getting the short end of the stick. Nobody better be praising JJK for how it handles its female characters anymore. This series fell off a cliff and keeps on falling.
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I would've said manga readers already know this, but to be fair, at this point of the arc when I was reading the manga I didn't realize this because I was so caught up in the whole ordeal and it flew over my head that Nobara was NOT getting as much as she should've as part of the main trio. At this point where I'm at in the manga, I'm more than aware of this, but also watching the anime it's so painfully obvious that she's getting the short end of the stick. Nobody better be praising JJK for how it handles its female characters anymore. This series fell off a cliff and keeps on falling.
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But Maki is one of the best characters of the series with more development than most? And she is a woman
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But Maki is one of the best characters of the series with more development than most? And she is a woman
@manelist1 Really now? Out of the entire cast of women and girls, only one arguably had potential that wasn't completely wasted... JJK can and should do better. I'm not going to be thankful for less than the bare minimum.




EDIT: I like the female characters in this series, so this issue annoys me even more.
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I would've said manga readers already know this, but to be fair, at this point of the arc when I was reading the manga I didn't realize this because I was so caught up in the whole ordeal and it flew over my head that Nobara was NOT getting as much as she should've as part of the main trio. At this point where I'm at in the manga, I'm more than aware of this, but also watching the anime it's so painfully obvious that she's getting the short end of the stick. Nobody better be praising JJK for how it handles its female characters anymore. This series fell off a cliff and keeps on falling.
@bucciest Gege always had his favourites, even Megumi and Yuji lose some relevance after this arc in favor of other characters. And on that note, Maki is his favourite while Nobara was only created because the editor told him to include her.

The thing with Jujutsu's character is more that there story actually respects the powerlevels and doesn't throw random PUs to every character. It's not just Nobara, many characters lose relevance after this arc because they can't keep up with the villains.
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