Attack on Titan
APolygons2 said: You know mate, there's ONE thing i dislike with how you reply to people.It's not about truth though, like ok let me show you. That you tend to take things too literally and miscontextualize your opponents' words. Like this truth thing here, i know all too well that anime is ultimately SUBJECTIVE. I know the fact that me disliking the ost has got no authority whatsoever over you liking it. Neither is me calling Eren simping is objectively superior to your thinking that he isn't. You didn't need to "show" me ANY of that. (honestly this ain't that different from what happened back in the Pluto discussion) Now the REASON why i made that quote is bcoz 1. I thought you backed off from those arguments a little too early. Knowing you instead of saying "no one's changing their minds" you'd rather respond with some points to back your position up. 2. I was frustrated with the many ending defenders here who simply said the ending is "perfect" or "10/10" basically not questioning anything they just watched and especially those who went on labeling ending critics as "haters" or sth like it. I mean when someone says sth, LISTEN. ENGAGE. But they didn't. 3. Lastly i think that some points that you or any ending defenders came up with really are just, idk, weak. In a way i don't see how they can be true. Nothing but hanging on by a thread. Like this APolygons2 said: first of all your original argument was that he cared for Mikasa but when i brought up what Eren said to Armin that displays him as simping and not caring you changed it to "he SECRETLY LIKED Mikasa".I think eren hiding his feelings of romance towards mikasa, makes perfect sense. It's not contradictory, his care for her could have been both brotherly or romantically, and both of them would add up. Secondly, for Eren to have kept his romance towards her hidden all this time there MUST've been some sort of foreshadowing. We DID get hints of him CARING for her generally speaking but particularly ROMANCE? Idk. Can't remember any. And i'm someone who has watched all 4 seasons, all 87 eps + ep 1 of Kanketsu-hen, for at least TWICE. Thirdly, not to mention what Eren said to Mikasa last time they met was "i've always hated you" at the round table with Armin with a mean looking face.  HOW ON EARTH IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE "LOVING"?Fourth, MY original complaint was about that specific part with Armin and Eren being parodic. In other words tonally off. COMPLETELY off. The way he punched Eren, his next facial expression,  which looks literally the same in the anime if not worse, and then Eren declaring his crush on Mikasa. The nail in the coffin. Ruined the mood. ABSOLUTELY ruined it. APolygons2 said: ofc it's possible. The issue is with Mikasa's character that if you look back apart from being a device to move the plot forward and being part of the Ackerman lore, the only thing got her going throughout the entire show was her clinging onto Eren and specifically in the final season with Eren changing into what he was her development at that point has all been about to give up on him. And came the 3 year time skip, under the tree. I wouldn't have minded if Isayama made her shed a little tear, yeah everyone feels longing for their lost precious ones out of the blue why not but no, she bursted crying.I think it is entirely possible to bust over a grave crying, even if it's been years. people cry over dead ones even when it's been years. It's just true. RIP character development. I thought her kissing his decaped head (which was lame and cringy asf btw) was the end of it but HAH APolygons2 said: okay fine, it satisfied you. I won't complain but i will tell you this;like, yes , you are right that the historia thing was technically enough. but to me, the war reinforcing the themes, only made it more satisfying. I get satisfaction from shit like that. idk? NO completed anime i've ever seen has had a mid-credits scene that is anticlimactic as this unnecessity. APolygons2 said: okay i don't get this part at all.and this fully comes down to me giving the show the benefit of the doubt, and you not doing so. I think the "why not kill no one" solution is too obvious. I am willing to believe that it was a choice, and isayama either didn't word it properly, or it was lost in translation. I think it's too obvious of a mistake, so obvious that I don't think anyone who writes stories for a living would ever make it. What benefit of the doubt? That Isayama's trying to say sth but you don't know what it is yet? You think the killing no one solution is too obvious, so what? Instead of making more questionable revelations like that nonsense why not be modest and just do the obvious? "Too obvious of a mistake" what again? |
Reply to raffyzita
@Magical_Bananana I think he explained it enough. It sours whatever Eren did. Eren didn't actually end the Titan powers.
| @raffyzita what are you talking about? The kid just found the tree and then the ending card rolls. Nothing more nothing less. Where did everyone get the idea that the titan powers are continuing, did I watch the wrong thing? |
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Reply to TrexM
@Magical_Bananana Eren's tree looks very similar to the one Ymir got her titan powers from
| @TrexM that's probably just using imagery to allude to something the viewers are familiar with. I don't understand how everyone is reaching new conclusions by themselves and finding new reasons to dislike the ending. |
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Reply to TrexM
@Magical_Bananana it's not a new reason. It's been called out since the manga ended, where it's made even more blatant to look like Ymir's tree.
| @TrexM still think its a reach. The tree just looks like that. Nothing is proven or disproven. |
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Reply to TRC_Randy
APolygons2 said:
It's not about truth though, like ok let me show you.
You know mate, there's ONE thing i dislike with how you reply to people.It's not about truth though, like ok let me show you.
That you tend to take things too literally and miscontextualize your opponents' words. Like this truth thing here, i know all too well that anime is ultimately SUBJECTIVE. I know the fact that me disliking the ost has got no authority whatsoever over you liking it. Neither is me calling Eren simping is objectively superior to your thinking that he isn't. You didn't need to "show" me ANY of that.
(honestly this ain't that different from what happened back in the Pluto discussion)
Now the REASON why i made that quote is bcoz
1. I thought you backed off from those arguments a little too early. Knowing you instead of saying "no one's changing their minds" you'd rather respond with some points to back your position up.
2. I was frustrated with the many ending defenders here who simply said the ending is "perfect" or "10/10" basically not questioning anything they just watched and especially those who went on labeling ending critics as "haters" or sth like it. I mean when someone says sth, LISTEN. ENGAGE. But they didn't.
3. Lastly i think that some points that you or any ending defenders came up with really are just, idk, weak. In a way i don't see how they can be true. Nothing but hanging on by a thread. Like this
APolygons2 said:
I think eren hiding his feelings of romance towards mikasa, makes perfect sense. It's not contradictory, his care for her could have been both brotherly or romantically, and both of them would add up.
first of all your original argument was that he cared for Mikasa but when i brought up what Eren said to Armin that displays him as simping and not caring you changed it to "he SECRETLY LIKED Mikasa".I think eren hiding his feelings of romance towards mikasa, makes perfect sense. It's not contradictory, his care for her could have been both brotherly or romantically, and both of them would add up.
Secondly, for Eren to have kept his romance towards her hidden all this time there MUST've been some sort of foreshadowing. We DID get hints of him CARING for her generally speaking but particularly ROMANCE? Idk. Can't remember any. And i'm someone who has watched all 4 seasons, all 87 eps + ep 1 of Kanketsu-hen, for at least TWICE.
Thirdly, not to mention what Eren said to Mikasa last time they met was "i've always hated you" at the round table with Armin with a mean looking face.
HOW ON EARTH IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE "LOVING"?Fourth, MY original complaint was about that specific part with Armin and Eren being parodic. In other words tonally off. COMPLETELY off. The way he punched Eren, his next facial expression,
which looks literally the same in the anime if not worse, and then Eren declaring his crush on Mikasa. The nail in the coffin. Ruined the mood. ABSOLUTELY ruined it.
APolygons2 said:
I think it is entirely possible to bust over a grave crying, even if it's been years. people cry over dead ones even when it's been years. It's just true.
ofc it's possible. The issue is with Mikasa's character that if you look back apart from being a device to move the plot forward and being part of the Ackerman lore, the only thing got her going throughout the entire show was her clinging onto Eren and specifically in the final season with Eren changing into what he was her development at that point has all been about to give up on him. And came the 3 year time skip, under the tree. I wouldn't have minded if Isayama made her shed a little tear, yeah everyone feels longing for their lost precious ones out of the blue why not but no, she bursted crying.I think it is entirely possible to bust over a grave crying, even if it's been years. people cry over dead ones even when it's been years. It's just true.
RIP character development.
I thought her kissing his decaped head (which was lame and cringy asf btw) was the end of it but HAH
APolygons2 said:
like, yes , you are right that the historia thing was technically enough.
but to me, the war reinforcing the themes, only made it more satisfying. I get satisfaction from shit like that. idk?
okay fine, it satisfied you. I won't complain but i will tell you this;like, yes , you are right that the historia thing was technically enough.
but to me, the war reinforcing the themes, only made it more satisfying. I get satisfaction from shit like that. idk?
NO completed anime i've ever seen has had a mid-credits scene that is anticlimactic as this unnecessity.
APolygons2 said:
and this fully comes down to me giving the show the benefit of the doubt, and you not doing so.
I think the "why not kill no one" solution is too obvious. I am willing to believe that it was a choice, and isayama either didn't word it properly, or it was lost in translation.
I think it's too obvious of a mistake, so obvious that I don't think anyone who writes stories for a living would ever make it.
okay i don't get this part at all.and this fully comes down to me giving the show the benefit of the doubt, and you not doing so.
I think the "why not kill no one" solution is too obvious. I am willing to believe that it was a choice, and isayama either didn't word it properly, or it was lost in translation.
I think it's too obvious of a mistake, so obvious that I don't think anyone who writes stories for a living would ever make it.
What benefit of the doubt? That Isayama's trying to say sth but you don't know what it is yet?
You think the killing no one solution is too obvious, so what? Instead of making more questionable revelations like that nonsense why not be modest and just do the obvious?
"Too obvious of a mistake" what again?
| @TRC_Randy One thing you got wrong. As a Mary Sue character, Mikasa actually went through little to no development throughout the series and still remained this Eren obsessed action girl she was at the start till the end. She is easily the weakest part of the show and as such her contribution to the ending damages it. |
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@TRC_Randy One thing you got wrong. As a Mary Sue character, Mikasa actually went through little to no development throughout the series and still remained this Eren obsessed action girl she was at the start till the end. She is easily the weakest part of the show and as such her contribution to the ending damages it.
| @Piromysl not sure about that but i can see what you mean. |
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i liked it except the part aftwr where the kid finds the tree
the part where it shows that in future humans still fight even if titan powers are no longer is to show that humans no matter what will always find a way to fight for some reason or another but the kid finding the tree.. put me off so mich aot was amazing i loved every part of it but seeing how this kid can bring back titan powers just beacuse when eren did all that sound silly to me
the part where it shows that in future humans still fight even if titan powers are no longer is to show that humans no matter what will always find a way to fight for some reason or another but the kid finding the tree.. put me off so mich aot was amazing i loved every part of it but seeing how this kid can bring back titan powers just beacuse when eren did all that sound silly to me
| @AndrwsAnimeList what do you mean, "the kid can bring titan powers?" What the fuck are you talking about? |
SkyhighCFC said: Piromysl said: Some people unironically argue, that murdering 80% (or even everyone) of the world is NOT wrong just because mommy died and would rather see Eren being a shallow, one dimensional villain. That is the problem. I know a lot of the people who disliked it make that argument, but that isn't the main issue for me (it's not an issue at all). The main issue is everything surrounding Ymir and the fact Isayama can't write anything romance related, thematically or otherwise, to save his life. Pretty sure AOT is not a romance story, nor it was ever supposed to be. |
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APolygons2 said:
It's not about truth though, like ok let me show you.
You know mate, there's ONE thing i dislike with how you reply to people.It's not about truth though, like ok let me show you.
That you tend to take things too literally and miscontextualize your opponents' words. Like this truth thing here, i know all too well that anime is ultimately SUBJECTIVE. I know the fact that me disliking the ost has got no authority whatsoever over you liking it. Neither is me calling Eren simping is objectively superior to your thinking that he isn't. You didn't need to "show" me ANY of that.
(honestly this ain't that different from what happened back in the Pluto discussion)
Now the REASON why i made that quote is bcoz
1. I thought you backed off from those arguments a little too early. Knowing you instead of saying "no one's changing their minds" you'd rather respond with some points to back your position up.
2. I was frustrated with the many ending defenders here who simply said the ending is "perfect" or "10/10" basically not questioning anything they just watched and especially those who went on labeling ending critics as "haters" or sth like it. I mean when someone says sth, LISTEN. ENGAGE. But they didn't.
3. Lastly i think that some points that you or any ending defenders came up with really are just, idk, weak. In a way i don't see how they can be true. Nothing but hanging on by a thread. Like this
APolygons2 said:
I think eren hiding his feelings of romance towards mikasa, makes perfect sense. It's not contradictory, his care for her could have been both brotherly or romantically, and both of them would add up.
first of all your original argument was that he cared for Mikasa but when i brought up what Eren said to Armin that displays him as simping and not caring you changed it to "he SECRETLY LIKED Mikasa".I think eren hiding his feelings of romance towards mikasa, makes perfect sense. It's not contradictory, his care for her could have been both brotherly or romantically, and both of them would add up.
Secondly, for Eren to have kept his romance towards her hidden all this time there MUST've been some sort of foreshadowing. We DID get hints of him CARING for her generally speaking but particularly ROMANCE? Idk. Can't remember any. And i'm someone who has watched all 4 seasons, all 87 eps + ep 1 of Kanketsu-hen, for at least TWICE.
Thirdly, not to mention what Eren said to Mikasa last time they met was "i've always hated you" at the round table with Armin with a mean looking face.
HOW ON EARTH IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE "LOVING"?Fourth, MY original complaint was about that specific part with Armin and Eren being parodic. In other words tonally off. COMPLETELY off. The way he punched Eren, his next facial expression,
which looks literally the same in the anime if not worse, and then Eren declaring his crush on Mikasa. The nail in the coffin. Ruined the mood. ABSOLUTELY ruined it.
APolygons2 said:
I think it is entirely possible to bust over a grave crying, even if it's been years. people cry over dead ones even when it's been years. It's just true.
ofc it's possible. The issue is with Mikasa's character that if you look back apart from being a device to move the plot forward and being part of the Ackerman lore, the only thing got her going throughout the entire show was her clinging onto Eren and specifically in the final season with Eren changing into what he was her development at that point has all been about to give up on him. And came the 3 year time skip, under the tree. I wouldn't have minded if Isayama made her shed a little tear, yeah everyone feels longing for their lost precious ones out of the blue why not but no, she bursted crying.I think it is entirely possible to bust over a grave crying, even if it's been years. people cry over dead ones even when it's been years. It's just true.
RIP character development.
I thought her kissing his decaped head (which was lame and cringy asf btw) was the end of it but HAH
APolygons2 said:
like, yes , you are right that the historia thing was technically enough.
but to me, the war reinforcing the themes, only made it more satisfying. I get satisfaction from shit like that. idk?
okay fine, it satisfied you. I won't complain but i will tell you this;like, yes , you are right that the historia thing was technically enough.
but to me, the war reinforcing the themes, only made it more satisfying. I get satisfaction from shit like that. idk?
NO completed anime i've ever seen has had a mid-credits scene that is anticlimactic as this unnecessity.
APolygons2 said:
and this fully comes down to me giving the show the benefit of the doubt, and you not doing so.
I think the "why not kill no one" solution is too obvious. I am willing to believe that it was a choice, and isayama either didn't word it properly, or it was lost in translation.
I think it's too obvious of a mistake, so obvious that I don't think anyone who writes stories for a living would ever make it.
okay i don't get this part at all.and this fully comes down to me giving the show the benefit of the doubt, and you not doing so.
I think the "why not kill no one" solution is too obvious. I am willing to believe that it was a choice, and isayama either didn't word it properly, or it was lost in translation.
I think it's too obvious of a mistake, so obvious that I don't think anyone who writes stories for a living would ever make it.
What benefit of the doubt? That Isayama's trying to say sth but you don't know what it is yet?
You think the killing no one solution is too obvious, so what? Instead of making more questionable revelations like that nonsense why not be modest and just do the obvious?
"Too obvious of a mistake" what again?
TRC_Randy said: That you tend to take things too literally and miscontextualize your opponents' words. I do sometimes do That, specially in text. A lot of times it's hard to understand what the other person means through text. If I do get something wrong, just tell me that I did, and It should be fine. TRC_Randy said: 1. I thought you backed off from those arguments a little too early. Knowing you instead of saying "no one's changing their minds" you'd rather respond with some points to back your position up. There are 3 reasons for why I argue with people online: 1. I think there is a chance of either me or the person I'm talking with changing their mind 2. There is something about the other person's perspective that really interests me, and I want to understand it 3. just talking about something even if doesn't go anywhere makes my own perspective more clear to myself In this particular case: 1. Most of the disagreement was too subjective 2. I didn't see anything in particular that I want to fully dive into more than we already did 3. and AOT is big enough that I have already talked about the ending plenty So this is why I backed down super fast. TRC_Randy said: 2. I was frustrated with the many ending defenders here who simply said the ending is "perfect" or "10/10" basically not questioning anything they just watched and especially those who went on labeling ending critics as "haters" or sth like it. I mean when someone says sth, LISTEN. ENGAGE. But they didn't. Well, you expect too much from the mainstream anime community. Most of the discussion around shows' like this, specially outside of more weeby places like mal is: "oh aot ending trash one piece is peak" "you mean mid peace?" The truth of the matter is that AOT has both countless mindless haters, and countless mindless defenders. There is not much you can do here. other than hoping the person you're talking to can tell the difference between a hater, and someone with an argument to make. TRC_Randy said: 3. Lastly i think that some points that you or any ending defenders came up with really are just, idk, weak. In a way i don't see how they can be true. Nothing but hanging on by a thread. Like this I would say I think the people who hate the ending are massively exaggerating it's problems, and even adding none existing issues that make no sense to me. I can tell you for certain one thing though, this ending is neither perfect, nor the worst ending in history. I think we both can agree on that much. TRC_Randy said: first of all your original argument was that he cared for Mikasa but when i brought up what Eren said to Armin that displays him as simping and not caring you changed it to "he SECRETLY LIKED Mikasa". I didn't change anything. - Eren objectively cared about mikasa, and there is more than enough evidence to support that What I said was, we never knew if eren cared for her as a brother, or as a lover. The show could have said Either and it would have made sense. you care about a person you like, doesn't matter if that "like" is romantically or not. It would make sense to me either way. What I always considered BS was the "I always hated you" thing, which then he revealed was a lie to make them more distance, that makes sense to me. so this is on you missing the reason. He told her that, because at the time, he wanted them to keep their distance, he wanted them to see him as a villain. He didn't actually mean any of it, and in that memory segment, I believe he even apologized for it if I remember right. TRC_Randy said: which looks literally the same in the anime if not worse, and then Eren declaring his crush on Mikasa. The nail in the coffin. Ruined the mood. ABSOLUTELY ruined it. I don't think that's a problem with the story. I have always said that isayama's art is less than great, and anytime he tries to show extreme emotions through faces it looks really, REALLY weird. That's the biggest reason for why I prefer wit's segment, even compared to the last two specials where they had the time to animate it properly. This is not the first time the fact that mappa used isayama's art style, has taken me out of the moment. TRC_Randy said: NO completed anime i've ever seen has had a mid-credits scene that is anticlimactic as this unnecessity. BRUH freaking monster. On a similar level, one could argue that the ending was unsatisfying because of the of how it ended, and I would disagree with that even harder. I go as far as saying in monster it wasn't just good to have it, it was necessary. TRC_Randy said: The issue is with Mikasa's character that if you look back apart from being a device to move the plot forward and being part of the Ackerman lore, the only thing got her going throughout the entire show was her clinging onto Eren and specifically in the final season with Eren changing into what he was her development at that point has all been about to give up on him I think this definitely a mistake on your part. Because you missed the point. no genuinely, I think I can change your mind on this one. In the segment where eren and mikasa are talking, Eren tells mikasa, to throw the scarf away when he dies. Basically, forget about him, and be happy. But in the scene that follows, she ties the scarf even harder, apologizes and sayd I can't let go, and then she kills eren. The whole point of her character arc, was that she was willing to kill Eren despite the fact that she loved him, because that was what she had to do. Which is why Yimir saw herself in mikasa. She stood up to Eren despite loving her, something that Yimir never did. she had never let go to begin with. TRC_Randy said: You think the killing no one solution is too obvious, so what? Instead of making more questionable revelations like that nonsense why not be modest and just do the obvious? If Eren says His mom had to die, because otherwise bertholt would be dead. I believe him. That's it. He says' one of them had to die, so I believe one of them had to die. If Isayama wrote this, without thinking "why not save both?", he would be as dumb as brick. and I don't believe that. Besides, the point of the scene, was to show that Eren has done things that he feels guilt over, which we had seen in similar scenes, like the sasha thing, or the talk with the young boy. And to me that is the part that matters the most. Yes, with the very limited information that eren gave, there is the question of "why did one of them have to die at all?" But, to me that doesn't really matter. I know isayama wrote this as a trolly problem, and there was probably reason for why one of them had to die which he didn't word properly. That makes way more sense to me, than him making a mistake so obvious. again.... Benefit of the doubt. |
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APolygons2 said: ofc you didn't need to tell me all these either.Well, you expect too much from the mainstream anime community. Most of the discussion around shows' like this, specially outside of more weeby places like mal is: "oh aot ending trash one piece is peak" "you mean mid peace?" The truth of the matter is that AOT has both countless mindless haters, and countless mindless defenders. There is not much you can do here. other than hoping the person you're talking to can tell the difference between a hater, and someone with an argument to make. APolygons2 said: some of them are just exaggerating yes.I would say I think the people who hate the ending are massively exaggerating it's problems, and even adding none existing issues that make no sense to me. APolygons2 said: no it's not the worst ending ever. But it's sure as hell a very bad one.can tell you for certain one thing though, this ending is neither perfect, nor the worst ending in history. I think we both can agree on that much. APolygons2 said: umm, you did. Here's your first statementI didn't change anything. APolygons2 said: then MY counter pointEren always cared about mikasa in the subtext TRC_Randy said: and then YOUR response to itcared =/= "i want her to pine after me for at least ten years!" That's not "caring". That's SIMPING. APolygons2 said: I think eren hiding his feelings of romance towards mikasa, makes perfect sense. APolygons2 said: OR, as neither. Maybe he just cared for her as a fellow human being. Maybe he DID NOT care for her emotionally whatsoever, he just did those things whimsically.What I said was, we never knew if eren cared for her as a brother, or as a lover. So there, at least FOUR possibilities of "caring" but more than that, Eren's blurting out to Armin is CLEARLY ROMANTIC.  but we don't have enough proof (if there ever WAS one) to say he was actually romantic towards her all along.So my second point remains unchallenged. APolygons2 said: okay right, he did say that but he did so to ARMIN. He DID NOT apologize to Mikasa HERSELF. Besides, again, there's no foreshadowing or hinting whatsoever that he was just painting himself bad for others to hate him. Nor was there ANY sort of regret shown.so this is on you missing the reason. He told her that, because at the time, he wanted them to keep their distance, he wanted them to see him as a villain. He didn't actually mean any of it, and in that memory segment, I believe he even apologized for it if I remember right. ONLY at the end do we get the revelation that it was all intentional. APolygons2 said: i never said that was about the story.I don't think that's a problem with the story. APolygons2 said: well i prefer Wit's art too and yes MAPPA did their faces really weirdly but doing it at the VERY END of the finale was the worst of it.I have always said that isayama's art is less than great, and anytime he tries to show extreme emotions through faces it looks really, REALLY weird. That's the biggest reason for why I prefer wit's segment, even compared to the last two specials where they had the time to animate it properly. This is not the first time the fact that mappa used isayama's art style, has taken me out of the moment. APolygons2 said: but Monster's ending ISN'T acticlimactic tho. In addition to being one of the best anime endings ever.BRUH freaking monster. On a similar level, one could argue that the ending was unsatisfying because of the of how it ended, and I would disagree with that even harder. I go as far as saying in monster it wasn't just good to have it, it was necessary. When i say NO other anime is as anticlimactic i freaking MEAN it. Not even Promised Neverland s2 is anticlimactic (i mean it's horribly rushed which is even worse than the mid-credits scene but that's another story). So either we just stop here or are we gonna talk about Monster and TPN now. APolygons2 said: for "Ymir seeing herself in Mikasa" to be the explanation we must reconcile how Ymir loving Fritz was legit itfp and as far as i've explained, WE CAN'T bcoz it just brushes off all the horrible oppression he's done to her which automatically makes Mikasa not moving on from Eren despite having to kill him came out of nowhere. Superficial.In the segment where eren and mikasa are talking, Eren tells mikasa, to throw the scarf away when he dies. Basically, forget about him, and be happy. But in the scene that follows, she ties the scarf even harder, apologizes and sayd I can't let go, and then she kills eren. The whole point of her character arc, was that she was willing to kill Eren despite the fact that she loved him, because that was what she had to do. Which is why Yimir saw herself in mikasa. She stood up to Eren despite loving her, something that Yimir never did. she had never let go to begin with. quote=APolygons2 said: whether he's dumb as brick or not no one cares about that.If Eren says His mom had to die, because otherwise bertholt would be dead. I believe him. That's it. He says' one of them had to die, so I believe one of them had to die. If Isayama wrote this, without thinking "why not save both?", he would be as dumb as brick. and I don't believe that. APolygons2 said: if that was his intention then why not just flash those two scenes back instead of adding yet ANOTHER twist?Besides, the point of the scene, was to show that Eren has done things that he feels guilt over, which we had seen in similar scenes, like the sasha thing, or the talk with the young boy. APolygons2 said: "trolley problem" whatever you wanna call it still doesn't answer the question why even put it there tbw. Coz likeAnd to me that is the part that matters the most. Yes, with the very limited information that eren gave, there is the question of "why did one of them have to die at all?" But, to me that doesn't really matter. I know isayama wrote this as a trolly problem APolygons2 said: it might just be an obvious mistake after all.and there was probably reason for why one of them had to die which he didn't word properly. That makes way more sense to me, than him making a mistake so obvious. APolygons2 said: i already read that hereHere's a very short interview with Isayama. I wouldn't say anything in it surprised me too much, but it's good insight. (I sent the twitter link because newyork times' website asks you to login to see it, but you can read it there too): https://twitter.com/AoTWiki/status/1721845583269470646 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2127998 |
TRC_RandyNov 8, 2023 4:05 PM
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APolygons2 said:
Well, you expect too much from the mainstream anime community.
Most of the discussion around shows' like this, specially outside of more weeby places like mal is:
"oh aot ending trash one piece is peak"
"you mean mid peace?"
The truth of the matter is that AOT has both countless mindless haters, and countless mindless defenders. There is not much you can do here. other than hoping the person you're talking to can tell the difference between a hater, and someone with an argument to make.
ofc you didn't need to tell me all these either.Well, you expect too much from the mainstream anime community.
Most of the discussion around shows' like this, specially outside of more weeby places like mal is:
"oh aot ending trash one piece is peak"
"you mean mid peace?"
The truth of the matter is that AOT has both countless mindless haters, and countless mindless defenders. There is not much you can do here. other than hoping the person you're talking to can tell the difference between a hater, and someone with an argument to make.
APolygons2 said:
I would say I think the people who hate the ending are massively exaggerating it's problems, and even adding none existing issues that make no sense to me.
some of them are just exaggerating yes.I would say I think the people who hate the ending are massively exaggerating it's problems, and even adding none existing issues that make no sense to me.
APolygons2 said:
can tell you for certain one thing though, this ending is neither perfect, nor the worst ending in history. I think we both can agree on that much.
no it's not the worst ending ever. But it's sure as hell a very bad one.can tell you for certain one thing though, this ending is neither perfect, nor the worst ending in history. I think we both can agree on that much.
APolygons2 said:
I didn't change anything.
umm, you did. Here's your first statementI didn't change anything.
APolygons2 said:
Eren always cared about mikasa in the subtext
then MY counter pointEren always cared about mikasa in the subtext
TRC_Randy said:
cared =/= "i want her to pine after me for at least ten years!"
That's not "caring". That's SIMPING.
and then YOUR response to itcared =/= "i want her to pine after me for at least ten years!"
That's not "caring". That's SIMPING.
APolygons2 said:
I think eren hiding his feelings of romance towards mikasa, makes perfect sense.
I think eren hiding his feelings of romance towards mikasa, makes perfect sense.
APolygons2 said:
What I said was, we never knew if eren cared for her as a brother, or as a lover.
OR, as neither. Maybe he just cared for her as a fellow human being. Maybe he DID NOT care for her emotionally whatsoever, he just did those things whimsically.What I said was, we never knew if eren cared for her as a brother, or as a lover.
So there, at least FOUR possibilities of "caring" but more than that, Eren's blurting out to Armin is CLEARLY ROMANTIC.
but we don't have enough proof (if there ever WAS one) to say he was actually romantic towards her all along.So my second point remains unchallenged.
APolygons2 said:
so this is on you missing the reason.
He told her that, because at the time, he wanted them to keep their distance, he wanted them to see him as a villain. He didn't actually mean any of it, and in that memory segment, I believe he even apologized for it if I remember right.
okay right, he did say that but he did so to ARMIN. He DID NOT apologize to Mikasa HERSELF. Besides, again, there's no foreshadowing or hinting whatsoever that he was just painting himself bad for others to hate him. Nor was there ANY sort of regret shown.so this is on you missing the reason.
He told her that, because at the time, he wanted them to keep their distance, he wanted them to see him as a villain. He didn't actually mean any of it, and in that memory segment, I believe he even apologized for it if I remember right.
ONLY at the end do we get the revelation that it was all intentional.
APolygons2 said:
I don't think that's a problem with the story.
i never said that was about the story.I don't think that's a problem with the story.
APolygons2 said:
I have always said that isayama's art is less than great, and anytime he tries to show extreme emotions through faces it looks really, REALLY weird.
That's the biggest reason for why I prefer wit's segment, even compared to the last two specials where they had the time to animate it properly.
This is not the first time the fact that mappa used isayama's art style, has taken me out of the moment.
well i prefer Wit's art too and yes MAPPA did their faces really weirdly but doing it at the VERY END of the finale was the worst of it.I have always said that isayama's art is less than great, and anytime he tries to show extreme emotions through faces it looks really, REALLY weird.
That's the biggest reason for why I prefer wit's segment, even compared to the last two specials where they had the time to animate it properly.
This is not the first time the fact that mappa used isayama's art style, has taken me out of the moment.
APolygons2 said:
BRUH freaking monster.
On a similar level, one could argue that the ending was unsatisfying because of the of how it ended, and I would disagree with that even harder. I go as far as saying in monster it wasn't just good to have it, it was necessary.
but Monster's ending ISN'T acticlimactic tho. In addition to being one of the best anime endings ever.BRUH freaking monster.
On a similar level, one could argue that the ending was unsatisfying because of the of how it ended, and I would disagree with that even harder. I go as far as saying in monster it wasn't just good to have it, it was necessary.
When i say NO other anime is as anticlimactic i freaking MEAN it. Not even Promised Neverland s2 is anticlimactic (i mean it's horribly rushed which is even worse than the mid-credits scene but that's another story).
So either we just stop here or are we gonna talk about Monster and TPN now.
APolygons2 said:
In the segment where eren and mikasa are talking, Eren tells mikasa, to throw the scarf away when he dies. Basically, forget about him, and be happy.
But in the scene that follows, she ties the scarf even harder, apologizes and sayd I can't let go, and then she kills eren.
The whole point of her character arc, was that she was willing to kill Eren despite the fact that she loved him, because that was what she had to do.
Which is why Yimir saw herself in mikasa. She stood up to Eren despite loving her, something that Yimir never did. she had never let go to begin with.
for "Ymir seeing herself in Mikasa" to be the explanation we must reconcile how Ymir loving Fritz was legit itfp and as far as i've explained, WE CAN'T bcoz it just brushes off all the horrible oppression he's done to her which automatically makes Mikasa not moving on from Eren despite having to kill him came out of nowhere. Superficial.In the segment where eren and mikasa are talking, Eren tells mikasa, to throw the scarf away when he dies. Basically, forget about him, and be happy.
But in the scene that follows, she ties the scarf even harder, apologizes and sayd I can't let go, and then she kills eren.
The whole point of her character arc, was that she was willing to kill Eren despite the fact that she loved him, because that was what she had to do.
Which is why Yimir saw herself in mikasa. She stood up to Eren despite loving her, something that Yimir never did. she had never let go to begin with.
quote=APolygons2 said:
If Eren says His mom had to die, because otherwise bertholt would be dead. I believe him.
That's it.
He says' one of them had to die, so I believe one of them had to die. If Isayama wrote this, without thinking "why not save both?", he would be as dumb as brick. and I don't believe that.
whether he's dumb as brick or not no one cares about that.If Eren says His mom had to die, because otherwise bertholt would be dead. I believe him.
That's it.
He says' one of them had to die, so I believe one of them had to die. If Isayama wrote this, without thinking "why not save both?", he would be as dumb as brick. and I don't believe that.
APolygons2 said:
Besides, the point of the scene, was to show that Eren has done things that he feels guilt over, which we had seen in similar scenes, like the sasha thing, or the talk with the young boy.
if that was his intention then why not just flash those two scenes back instead of adding yet ANOTHER twist?Besides, the point of the scene, was to show that Eren has done things that he feels guilt over, which we had seen in similar scenes, like the sasha thing, or the talk with the young boy.
APolygons2 said:
And to me that is the part that matters the most. Yes, with the very limited information that eren gave, there is the question of "why did one of them have to die at all?"
But, to me that doesn't really matter. I know isayama wrote this as a trolly problem
"trolley problem" whatever you wanna call it still doesn't answer the question why even put it there tbw. Coz likeAnd to me that is the part that matters the most. Yes, with the very limited information that eren gave, there is the question of "why did one of them have to die at all?"
But, to me that doesn't really matter. I know isayama wrote this as a trolly problem
APolygons2 said:
and there was probably reason for why one of them had to die which he didn't word properly. That makes way more sense to me, than him making a mistake so obvious.
it might just be an obvious mistake after all.and there was probably reason for why one of them had to die which he didn't word properly. That makes way more sense to me, than him making a mistake so obvious.
APolygons2 said:
Here's a very short interview with Isayama. I wouldn't say anything in it surprised me too much, but it's good insight. (I sent the twitter link because newyork times' website asks you to login to see it, but you can read it there too):
https://twitter.com/AoTWiki/status/1721845583269470646
i already read that hereHere's a very short interview with Isayama. I wouldn't say anything in it surprised me too much, but it's good insight. (I sent the twitter link because newyork times' website asks you to login to see it, but you can read it there too):
https://twitter.com/AoTWiki/status/1721845583269470646
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2127998
TRC_Randy said: OR, as neither. Maybe he just cared for her as a fellow human being. Maybe he DID NOT care for her emotionally whatsoever, he just did those things whimsically. That is definitely not the case, There was always a special bond between armin, eren and mikasa. That bond exists, but how specifically you wanted to call that special bond until the ending, would have been up for interpretation. but it being romance makes perfect sense. TRC_Randy said: So there, at least FOUR possibilities of "caring" but more than that, Eren's blurting out to Armin is CLEARLY ROMANTIC. There is no clear line between romantic feelings kept hidden, and caring for someone as a friend/brother. From and observer's perspective, unless eren slipped up, it would be the same. That "caring" is more than enough build up. a lot of rushed romance subplots in other stories don't even do that, and some people still buy it. There is no definitive proof of eren loving mikasa before this, but there is DEFINITIELY not anything that proves the opposite either. it could have been the case, and that's all that matters here, unless you want to get super nit picky. Yes, a small hint that like a small slip up from eren would have been nice and would have made the reveal less of a whiplash, but that wouldn't change the plot point. Again, it's a tiny tiny nit pick at best. when it comes to things like this I always ask, what would change if this was fixed? Imagine there was a scene or two that gave a very obvious hint at eren liking mikasa earlier. the story would be the same, so what would change would be the information that we as the audience have earlier... and in this particular case, why would that matter? it would make the reveal a bit less jarring.... THAT'S IT. If the fix of your issue has that small of an affect on one's experience, then it's a small issue. I didn't even find it jarring since I kinda expected it. but even if I did, that's a tiny issue TRC_Randy said: .okay right, he did say that but he did so to ARMIN. He DID NOT apologize to Mikasa HERSELF. Besides, again, there's no foreshadowing or hinting whatsoever that he was just painting himself bad for others to hate him. Nor was there ANY sort of regret shown. ONLY at the end do we get the revelation that it was all intentional. 1. If you couldn't tell by now, eren is a giant tsundere, of course he wouldn't apologize to mikasa 2. No there definitely was foreshadowing lmao, Eren at the time was giant ass mystery, with every character guessing his intentions. the answer specifically wasn't foreshadowed, but the fact that there is more to what he's doing than we know was brought up many many many times. Hell, they even mentioned the fact that he might be doing all of this for his friends during s4. The specifics of it, well no, those were slowly revealed later. But the fact that the show told you "you don't know everything" and continued to tell you "eren is probably doing this for the people he cares about" should have been enough. and while not for the mikasa thing specifically, we do see moments of him feelings guilt over his actions. Him explaining that he understands the gravity of his actions in the convo with reiner aside: 1. Sasha's death. that was the first hint, and the biggest one, that showed this is at least partly a giant act. Eren acted like he couldn't care less, but we as the audience got an extra show of his face and the sheer pain and regret that was in it. 2. his talk with a boy, and him apologizing for being about to kill all of them 3. the ending You could argue that there should have been more, but I think with how little screen time eren had in s4, that is enough. TRC_Randy said: well i prefer Wit's art too and yes MAPPA did their faces really weirdly but doing it at the VERY END of the finale was the worst of it. I mean... yeah, it was the most important scene that was damaged by isayama's weird way of showing extreme emotions. you're completely right about that. But also, don't think the faces themselves were as bad as some of the other examples of isayama doing this. I agree with you though. TRC_Randy said: but Monster's ending ISN'T acticlimactic tho. In addition to being one of the best anime endings ever. I know plenty of people who found it anti-climactic for the exact reason you found the ending of AOT anti-climactic. If It's about what me and you think, then I found neither anti-climactic. but that's not the point. TRC_Randy said: for "Ymir seeing herself in Mikasa" to be the explanation we must reconcile how Ymir loving Fritz was legit itfp and as far as i've explained, WE CAN'T bcoz it just brushes off all the horrible oppression he's done to her which automatically makes Mikasa not moving on from Eren despite having to kill him came out of nowhere. Superficial. Yimir's story is once again, pretty much just a lore dump. It doesn't need us to understand her, it's just a plot point. nothing more, nothing less. now, do I think that's a good thing? actually, no. I think it would have been way better if we actually got to know yimir, and her backstory was 3-4 episodes instead of lore dumping it in 1. but the fact that it would have been better that way doesn't make what it is now wrong. like again, it's a lore dump. you're not suppose to want to fully understand the intentions of the characters when they are barely even mentioned. TRC_Randy said: if that was his intention then why not just flash those two scenes back instead of adding yet ANOTHER twist? Probably because the whole irony of him letting his mom die, which was what started this whole story to begin with. If I was him, I would probably also try to make it a more "personal" thing. although, I do think the scene should have been 4 or 5 times longer for maximum affect. as it is, it kinda just brushed over it. no you're right, it COULD very well be this extremely obvious mistake. but that is what literally what "benefit of the doubt" is. I believe he wouldn't make a mistake this stupid. so I believe it somehow makes sense, and is like this because the exchange was brushed over way too fast. You don't have to give anyone the benefit of the doubt. I just choose to do it because I think isayama is a good writer, and would not make a mistake this simple. |
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APolygons2 said:
Attack on titan s1-3 while not my favourite thing ever, (although with me being newer to anime it was pretty up there) It was to me absolutely amazing. In s1 in particular, the characters and story were a bit too simplistic for me to call the show anything more than "very good".
but then with season 2 and 3, the show actually got developments, that made the plot and characters far more interesting than they were ever before.
S4p1 continued that trend, but the rushed release and studio change massively affected it's production quality. S3 was a small drop for that same reason, but the drop of to s4p1 was drastic.
It was around here when the manga ended, and the hate for the ending was almost unanimous.
I did not believe them. because up to s4p1's end, AOT Had 0 major blunders. It felt like fully planned out story, and all the pieces fell together seamlessly, how can a show with one of the strongest examples having the entire thing planned out from the start, fail at the ending? That's absolute nonsense.
But then....
In S4p2, after the rumbling.... everything changed. the plot was suddenly directionless.
The rumbling had just happened yet we spend an entire episode on Conny stealing some kid to feed his mother, the entire cast decides to fight/save Eren, even though as far as they knew, it would be impossible. Eren could have taken away their power anytime he wanted.
Yet the cast was more than willing to kill their comrades even though it visibly hurt them, for something that would be logically impossible.
That.... scared me. I thought, how could the show possibly start messing up NOW? had isayama only planned the story up to the rumbling? and for around a year, that was what I believd.
but then.... The first special happened, and with eren announcing that they are "free" to stop him, my main problem was solved....
in a way that still didn't fix s4p2 but at least it wouldn't be a problem going forward. My hopes were still low though, the internet had convinced me that the ending is the worst thing ever, and after the obvious blunder of s4p2 I kinda believed them.
I was also partly spoiled with my only context being "mikasa cuts off Erens head and kisses it".
SO....
YOU SONS OF GUNS ALL LIED TO ME!!!!
Can one of you help me understand what the fuck was so wrong with the ending, that one of the most overpraised pieces of great fiction was getting so much undeserved hate?
I looked around to understand it, and the complaints included shit like:
"Eren killing 80% of the population was bad and not justified"
No shit sherlock, did you figure it out on your own. What makes you think Eren was suppose to be the HERO of the story? The show never hides how he massacred so many people nor does it say what he did was "right". His friends, lover, and the yeagerists support him to some degree, but like fucking OBVIOUSLY!!!
What is wrong with the main character not being morally perfect?
If you're about to say that's not it, then it's probably reason 2, which is somehow 100 times dumber than the already stupid reason 1.
2. Because giga chad eren is now a beta male who cries and bitches about his girl getting with another man.
and to that I say go get help. If you measure the quality of writing by the chadness of the characters, go watch baki. not that baki is bad or anything, but genuinely go watch baki, it will probably become your all time favourite show.
But no genuinely I want to understand, What is wrong with the ending?
It's complete, it's satisfying, it makes sense, it completes the themes, Hell it even gives mikasa who I thought was one of the blandest characters in the show a satisfying conclusion to her arc, which makes her more interesting.
so genuinely, what was so bad about the ending that even the simps who sucked off this show like it was sausage eating contest hated it?
Attack on titan s1-3 while not my favourite thing ever, (although with me being newer to anime it was pretty up there) It was to me absolutely amazing. In s1 in particular, the characters and story were a bit too simplistic for me to call the show anything more than "very good".
but then with season 2 and 3, the show actually got developments, that made the plot and characters far more interesting than they were ever before.
S4p1 continued that trend, but the rushed release and studio change massively affected it's production quality. S3 was a small drop for that same reason, but the drop of to s4p1 was drastic.
It was around here when the manga ended, and the hate for the ending was almost unanimous.
I did not believe them. because up to s4p1's end, AOT Had 0 major blunders. It felt like fully planned out story, and all the pieces fell together seamlessly, how can a show with one of the strongest examples having the entire thing planned out from the start, fail at the ending? That's absolute nonsense.
But then....
In S4p2, after the rumbling.... everything changed. the plot was suddenly directionless.
The rumbling had just happened yet we spend an entire episode on Conny stealing some kid to feed his mother, the entire cast decides to fight/save Eren, even though as far as they knew, it would be impossible. Eren could have taken away their power anytime he wanted.
Yet the cast was more than willing to kill their comrades even though it visibly hurt them, for something that would be logically impossible.
That.... scared me. I thought, how could the show possibly start messing up NOW? had isayama only planned the story up to the rumbling? and for around a year, that was what I believd.
but then.... The first special happened, and with eren announcing that they are "free" to stop him, my main problem was solved....
in a way that still didn't fix s4p2 but at least it wouldn't be a problem going forward. My hopes were still low though, the internet had convinced me that the ending is the worst thing ever, and after the obvious blunder of s4p2 I kinda believed them.
I was also partly spoiled with my only context being "mikasa cuts off Erens head and kisses it".
SO....
YOU SONS OF GUNS ALL LIED TO ME!!!!
Can one of you help me understand what the fuck was so wrong with the ending, that one of the most overpraised pieces of great fiction was getting so much undeserved hate?
I looked around to understand it, and the complaints included shit like:
"Eren killing 80% of the population was bad and not justified"
No shit sherlock, did you figure it out on your own. What makes you think Eren was suppose to be the HERO of the story? The show never hides how he massacred so many people nor does it say what he did was "right". His friends, lover, and the yeagerists support him to some degree, but like fucking OBVIOUSLY!!!
What is wrong with the main character not being morally perfect?
If you're about to say that's not it, then it's probably reason 2, which is somehow 100 times dumber than the already stupid reason 1.
2. Because giga chad eren is now a beta male who cries and bitches about his girl getting with another man.
and to that I say go get help. If you measure the quality of writing by the chadness of the characters, go watch baki. not that baki is bad or anything, but genuinely go watch baki, it will probably become your all time favourite show.
But no genuinely I want to understand, What is wrong with the ending?
It's complete, it's satisfying, it makes sense, it completes the themes, Hell it even gives mikasa who I thought was one of the blandest characters in the show a satisfying conclusion to her arc, which makes her more interesting.
so genuinely, what was so bad about the ending that even the simps who sucked off this show like it was sausage eating contest hated it?
You literally described my experience with AOT, especially in s4
except that I had some issues with some scenes in the last episode including Eren's confession which I hated the voice acting and the art (face drawing) in the scene
also, Mikasa's last scene and Isyama's indefinite about how she ends up with someone or not by butting some vague hints which I would prefer if he left it open and that was an unnecessary cheap thing to do
| @moustafa356780 i don't think the ending is perfect, specially after sitting on it for a while. And the face thing has been one of my big problems with the art style change in s4. isayama just can't draw extreme emotions it seems like. I'm wasn't trying to say there is no room for improvement, i was just saying the general ending delivered on a satisfying conclusion. There are no "ending ruining issues here" no matter how i look at it. |
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| This is probably the first time I’ve been almost completely indifferent toward an ending for a series I really liked. I didn’t like the ending, I didn’t hate the ending…I think in the sense of what happened to Eren, it was relatively predictable. I personally would’ve liked to see more about the main cast of characters after the Rumbling. I haven’t read the manga, so I don’t know how the manga handles that, but I felt the symbolism of the tree scene at the end going through the ages of humanity was a waste of time. |
| This is probably the first time I’ve been almost completely indifferent toward an ending for a series I really liked. I didn’t like the ending, I didn’t hate the ending…I think in the sense of what happened to Eren, it was relatively predictable. I personally would’ve liked to see more about the main cast of characters after the Rumbling. I haven’t read the manga, so I don’t know how the manga handles that, but I felt the symbolism of the tree scene at the end going through the ages of humanity was a waste of time. |
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