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Reply to Zyppeler
@KingSlowDown
Yes my comments are worthless because I explain my opinion instead of posting insubstantial one-liners. Great and flawless logic. Well to be fair I did not expect anything else from you.
@KingSlowDown 2023
Quote: "I also don't understand all the dumb hate"
also:
Quote: "I've read enough about the ending the past years and I couldn't care less"
You're not just a clown, you're the entire circus at this point.
Just out of curiosity now, what is your take on following:
Eren was going along with the 50 year plan until Historia was brought up. That means Eren chose not to do the 50 year plan because Historia was in danger. Instead he chose:
- Humanity killed
- Mikasa killing him
- Hange, Sasha, Floch, Zeke dying
- Bunch of Paradis soldiers dying
- Leave Mikasa even though he loves her
- Mikasa getting bred by Jean
- Killing his mom
- Paradis getting nuked
over Historia becoming a titan.
Now with the ending of the show in mind is this good writing or is the ending in anyway a good conclusion to this part? Obviously no and that is just 1 of many other bad takes of this show with this kind of ending. But I guess it is still a good ending because... because... well it must be!!!
Yes my comments are worthless because I explain my opinion instead of posting insubstantial one-liners. Great and flawless logic. Well to be fair I did not expect anything else from you.
@KingSlowDown 2023
Quote: "I also don't understand all the dumb hate"
also:
Quote: "I've read enough about the ending the past years and I couldn't care less"
You're not just a clown, you're the entire circus at this point.
Just out of curiosity now, what is your take on following:
Eren was going along with the 50 year plan until Historia was brought up. That means Eren chose not to do the 50 year plan because Historia was in danger. Instead he chose:
- Humanity killed
- Mikasa killing him
- Hange, Sasha, Floch, Zeke dying
- Bunch of Paradis soldiers dying
- Leave Mikasa even though he loves her
- Mikasa getting bred by Jean
- Killing his mom
- Paradis getting nuked
over Historia becoming a titan.
Now with the ending of the show in mind is this good writing or is the ending in anyway a good conclusion to this part? Obviously no and that is just 1 of many other bad takes of this show with this kind of ending. But I guess it is still a good ending because... because... well it must be!!!
Zyppeler said: Just out of curiosity now, what is your take on following: Eren was going along with the 50 year plan until Historia was brought up. That means Eren chose not to do the 50 year plan because Historia was in danger. Instead he chose: - Humanity killed - Mikasa killing him - Hange, Sasha, Floch, Zeke dying - Bunch of Paradis soldiers dying - Leave Mikasa even though he loves her - Mikasa getting bred by Jean - Killing his mom - Paradis getting nuked over Historia becoming a titan. Now with the ending of the show in mind is this good writing or is the ending in anyway a good conclusion to this part? Obviously no and that is just 1 of many other bad takes of this show with this kind of ending. But I guess it is still a good ending because... because... well it must be!!! It's not hard to see that Eren choose this because he knew that war would still exist. His choice made all civilizations have the same materials to war against each other, so there would not exist any unilateral massacres. Everyone now has the same chance to survive, or, since now everyone is in equality and fought against a common threat, peace can really be a future option. Now, this scenario is hard to digest because no one would have such extreme line of thinking, still, most likely hard to deny that it has some logic in it. By the way, they inded had a moment of peace after the Rumbling. At least, with Armin's peace proposal, they lived in peace until many, many years after Mikasa dies of old age. What I don't understand of people disproportionate hate on the ending is precisely Paradis getting nuked: Why would this be a bad thing? We don't live in an utopia. War, conflicts exist. Shingeki no Kyojin even made the tragedy in a smooth way since the war only became a thing again when the technological progress became the same as of our real world. At least 100 years of peace, I would guess. It is impossible a story that has emphasis on cycles of war (starting with viking era and ending it at nowadays) would not make another cycle. Again, we do not live in an utopia. War will always exist. Complain about something that the main characters didn't even live doesn't makes sense. Saddens me even more that no one talks about how advanced they became and then everything turned into grass all over again. This made me remember of Einstein's quote: "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.". If the cycle continues somehow, this will most likely happens. I don't think the conclusion is neither bad, neither good. It is just a conclusion. It just fits the series. Easy of me to say it could have been better as I'm writing this comfortably relaxed in my room without knowing the pressure the author must have had, but yes, I do think it could have been better. Still, it was a solid episode and if I had anything to complain about it, I would say it could've had more time to develop things better. Time travel is a mess to deal with and AoT just makes it complex without elaborating further. Things as past and future existing at the same time or Mikasa and Ymir doesn't have the appropriate time to make the story flows better. We don't even see or know all the possibilities Eren did until he decides to do the Rumbling, all we know is that they all lead to a bad scenario and the future never changes. If the future never changes, your take on Historia becoming a titan will change nothing. Being a slave of freedom is a complex theme as well. After all, I really do think these two last episodes were pretty good and this wasn't a bad conclusion. It was just tragically real and could have been better elaborated throughout the series, specially the time travel stuff. |
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| Levi is fucking awesome for his dedication to killing that bitch Zeke even though he's one of the most shallow characters. W Pieck for trying to kill Eren as soon as possible (and being like one of the best characters) Why can Falco fly LMAO, how convenient. Mikasa is FUCKING weird for for that. Armin huffed way too much copium at the ending there with Eren. And finally, the ending was 50% logic, and 50% bullshit, i rate it an 8/10, and the series as a whole gets an 8/10 as well. |
| Aaaand curtains...."LEST WE FORGET", this is truly the end of an epoch, and what a fitting end it is, for the romantics there is always more to be desired. Thank you AOT for blessing the animanga space, and paving an entry way for more and more fans to enjoy this, this masterpiece of a story that has defined an era and shaped a generation, so I say "LEST WE FORGET". |
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| I can appreciate this ending I liked it this was beautiful in a way I started watching Aot when s3 came out back in 9th grade 2018 and now we’re in 2023 my favorite character is Riner he’s one of the most well written characters in Aot everyone had their moments it was cool to see the past titan shifters help out, Everyone was amazing it doesn’t feel real but all great things must end. This really was peak fiction !!! |
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Reply to Ohmena
Zyppeler said:
Just out of curiosity now, what is your take on following:
Eren was going along with the 50 year plan until Historia was brought up. That means Eren chose not to do the 50 year plan because Historia was in danger. Instead he chose:
- Humanity killed
- Mikasa killing him
- Hange, Sasha, Floch, Zeke dying
- Bunch of Paradis soldiers dying
- Leave Mikasa even though he loves her
- Mikasa getting bred by Jean
- Killing his mom
- Paradis getting nuked
over Historia becoming a titan.
Now with the ending of the show in mind is this good writing or is the ending in anyway a good conclusion to this part? Obviously no and that is just 1 of many other bad takes of this show with this kind of ending. But I guess it is still a good ending because... because... well it must be!!!
Just out of curiosity now, what is your take on following:
Eren was going along with the 50 year plan until Historia was brought up. That means Eren chose not to do the 50 year plan because Historia was in danger. Instead he chose:
- Humanity killed
- Mikasa killing him
- Hange, Sasha, Floch, Zeke dying
- Bunch of Paradis soldiers dying
- Leave Mikasa even though he loves her
- Mikasa getting bred by Jean
- Killing his mom
- Paradis getting nuked
over Historia becoming a titan.
Now with the ending of the show in mind is this good writing or is the ending in anyway a good conclusion to this part? Obviously no and that is just 1 of many other bad takes of this show with this kind of ending. But I guess it is still a good ending because... because... well it must be!!!
It's not hard to see that Eren choose this because he knew that war would still exist. His choice made all civilizations have the same materials to war against each other, so there would not exist any unilateral massacres. Everyone now has the same chance to survive, or, since now everyone is in equality and fought against a common threat, peace can really be a future option.
Now, this scenario is hard to digest because no one would have such extreme line of thinking, still, most likely hard to deny that it has some logic in it. By the way, they inded had a moment of peace after the Rumbling. At least, with Armin's peace proposal, they lived in peace until many, many years after Mikasa dies of old age.
What I don't understand of people disproportionate hate on the ending is precisely Paradis getting nuked: Why would this be a bad thing? We don't live in an utopia. War, conflicts exist. Shingeki no Kyojin even made the tragedy in a smooth way since the war only became a thing again when the technological progress became the same as of our real world. At least 100 years of peace, I would guess.
It is impossible a story that has emphasis on cycles of war (starting with viking era and ending it at nowadays) would not make another cycle. Again, we do not live in an utopia. War will always exist. Complain about something that the main characters didn't even live doesn't makes sense. Saddens me even more that no one talks about how advanced they became and then everything turned into grass all over again. This made me remember of Einstein's quote: "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.". If the cycle continues somehow, this will most likely happens.
I don't think the conclusion is neither bad, neither good. It is just a conclusion. It just fits the series. Easy of me to say it could have been better as I'm writing this comfortably relaxed in my room without knowing the pressure the author must have had, but yes, I do think it could have been better. Still, it was a solid episode and if I had anything to complain about it, I would say it could've had more time to develop things better. Time travel is a mess to deal with and AoT just makes it complex without elaborating further. Things as past and future existing at the same time or Mikasa and Ymir doesn't have the appropriate time to make the story flows better. We don't even see or know all the possibilities Eren did until he decides to do the Rumbling, all we know is that they all lead to a bad scenario and the future never changes. If the future never changes, your take on Historia becoming a titan will change nothing. Being a slave of freedom is a complex theme as well.
After all, I really do think these two last episodes were pretty good and this wasn't a bad conclusion. It was just tragically real and could have been better elaborated throughout the series, specially the time travel stuff.
| @Ohmena You’re saying he massacred humanity with titans, so no one else can do it. Seems illogical, but he is stupid after all |
| It wasn't as bad as I expected considering the uproar from manga readers a couple years ago. Seeing that the anime changed a few things does make it make sense why it may have ended up being better. A lot of things were still messy. I'm not one that's usually bothered by plot armour but things like the remaining Eldians being turned into titans only for that to not really matter, former titans somehow taking control to fight with the alliance because of some "paths" mojo, etc. were bemusing. All in all, it was a long journey and I enjoyed it all the way even if the ending was not so great. Attack on Titan apparently saved anime in 2013, 10 years ago. It was the best of times, it ended as the blurst of times. |
| "Let Justice Be Done!" My Theme Fight again, fight again for justice! |
| Perfect ending. People live on. Life's goal is not to multiply, but continue. Mikasa made the choice which Ymir couldn't make. She killed her lover, the devil. That made Ymir free. Historia was the only one eren left intact with her memories. Eren's goal was to reduce humanity enough so they can be on paradis level of technology. So his people could not be wiped out. And he pulled a lelouch with Armin as his zero. I have no words. Thank you Isayama. I'll probably never experience anything like this. |
Anime was it's best 20000 years ago, when cavemen drew art with real depth. Modern anime is all garbage. I miss great old days of anime. |
| Peak Peak Peak! When I was reading the final chapters of the manga I was sad and even sadder after Eren's death. But after processing my thoughts I realized that the ending is actually perfect in a way. Violence is never ending, Eren just did what he had to ensure Paradis survives and his friends live happy healthy long lives and he did that. Even since Eren kissed Historia's hand, he knew that there was no other way, All of this had to happen otherwise the Titan powers would simply exist even without Eren and the others. Zeke's euthanasia plan probably wouldn't have worked I think. But man the final episode really grabbed my heart and squeezed it. I was crying my heart out, eyes bawling. I cant remember the last time an ending of something has moved me so much. Especially the scene of Levi crying really moved me. The ending quite literally broke me and if something makes you cry and feel stuff then in my opinion that is what makes the author and his writing really stand out and Isayama is an excellent author for sure. Okay so after collecting my thoughts, I like the ending even more now.The ending was perfect imo, Eren eradicated the Titans, Allowed his friends to live and destroyed the walls. Ever since Ever kissed Historia's hands, this was what Eren saw and there was no other way. Neither would have Zeke's plan worked and neither would the titans be wiped from existence until Ymir saw Mikasa kill Eren (Thus being free from her love chains for Fritz). If you process the ending, its actually well written and ties all loose ends. There was no otherway. War would continue with or without Eren, he knew that so he atleast gave his friends long healthy lives with their grandchildren. That's my take on Aot's ending. Thank you, Isayama Sensei, Thank you, Wit studio, Thank you, Mappa studio. Thank you to everyone involved in this 10 year journey. This was quite literally a masterpiece and the anime portrayed the ending better than the anime, which is why even Anime onlys liked it atleast from what I'm seeing. I'm so grateful to be able to a part of this and witness history being made :) Sayonara Eren, Rest in peace. 10/10, A masterpiece for years to come no doubt. |
BiisooNov 5, 2023 9:34 AM
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| The final final final episode of Attack On Titan. Episode concluding the legendary series. Although people really hate the ending, I too now agree with their opinion though not to an extreme extent. Kinda copied from Code Geass ending to be honest. But what was the point of everything, when the destruction is still going to happen and what doe that tree signify that there will be another incident of Titan coming back or what. The end credits really showed the true meaning of 'War will continue till the Man lives'. A 10/10 story up until Season 4 Part 2 But a 7/10 for the last two episodes. ( I know 7 is also too much but I am just that big of an AOT fan that I can't rate it lower). |
Urahara_BenihimeNov 5, 2023 1:51 AM
| I'm just not that satisfied, with the writing decisions, the constant sappy dialogue with sorrowful piano music to accompany, the convenience of certain things, I just feel Isayama let it get out of control after basement, and couldn't keep it up. 6/10 for this final two episodes, was once a great series in my mind (still is to a certain degree). |
| Been here for 10 years kinda surreal to see it all end |
| POTATO QUESTION since i not following the manga so did mikasa really married with other man or what? and after seeing the whole anime i think this is really same as akame ga kill which the real Character on main plot is on "akame" which in this SNK is really mikasa :) |
| Watching the final episode made me quite emotional. I remember watching it in 2013 then I caught up to the manga in 2014. The 10 years long journey has finally come to an end. Everything was animated so wonderfully. And hearing all the old OSTs for the last time was so nostalgic. I liked the little changes they made in the anime. It made everything a lot clearer than the manga. But for that tongue scene I kinda wish they showed the manga's angle XD. My favorite scenes were the first part when the group jumped off the airship and started fighting and especially when Levi went and decapitated Zeke without any second thought. Repeated those scenes quite a few times which increased the duration of the episode for me. The most emotional scene was when Levi remembered all the fallen comrades while doing that Shinzou wo Sasageyo pose and tears sliding down his face. I'm glad that Levi can finally have a good rest. Anyway, Shingeki no Kyojin has always been my masterpiece and it will continue to be on the top. To everyone who has worked on it, Thank You for your hard work! 10/10 |
| Levi: ugh I'm injured. can't move. I only have 1 eye and 1 leg. Zeke: Oooyyyy! Levi: Hold my beer. Levi took his head so quick, I'm surprised Zeke wasn't still talking. Everybody went back to Paradis, but Levi. Guess they figured he'd been through enough. I didn't really get the after cred scene. Was that tree leading to where they passed on Titans? Or Eren's basement? |
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