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some MAPPA staff are complaining about the production hell of Jujutsu Kaisen and that the studio made them sign an NDA to never talk about the bad working conditions

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Sep 30, 2023 10:07 AM
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here is some of that staff
https://twitter.com/vflmsppe/status/1708103402612470169
https://twitter.com/vflmsppe/status/1708099001034387653
https://twitter.com/wuokb/status/1708106964289658884
https://twitter.com/wuokb/status/1708104911039467798

so MAPPA has this NDA or none disclosure agreement for their employees to never talk about bad working conditions but this employees specifically had enough and is complaining on twitter

some more context https://twitter.com/SupaChronicles/status/1708149838557360252

some legal context about it https://twitter.com/fufuro_moe/status/1708168898921521169

more context https://twitter.com/cjAus101723/status/1708151435072791024

so ye just sharing if ever we see some production quality drop for future episodes of Jujutsu Kaisen now we know that the schedule and mismanagement is terrible again

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Sep 30, 2023 10:36 AM
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It's not some random animator complaining. It's one of the best action story boarder and star animator Itsuki Tsuchigami. The production schedule is absolutely horrendous from the start. If not for the newbie talents pitching in, this whole thing would look like shit
Sep 30, 2023 10:38 AM
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It's not some random animator complaining. It's one of the best action story boarder and star animator Itsuki Tsuchigami. The production schedule is absolutely horrendous from the start. If not for the newbie talents pitching in, this whole thing would look like shit
@Anime_Skaddiel youre right its his twitter account https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=151709
Sep 30, 2023 11:18 AM
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mappa needs to have a cleansing. this is unacceptable
Sep 30, 2023 11:19 AM
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Just saw this on reddit and man MAPPA work condition issues continue to worsen.
Sep 30, 2023 11:22 AM
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And people still keep praising MAPPA...
Sep 30, 2023 11:26 AM
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ktg said:
And people still keep praising MAPPA...

I mean there a good studio when it comes to producing shows with good animation.

But their problem is they take on way too many shows and the animators have terrible work conditions.

Mappa needs some kind of internal improvement
Sep 30, 2023 11:28 AM
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ktg said:
And people still keep praising MAPPA...

###Well, praising MAPPA means praising the hardworking staff, animators, editors and the whole team who were contributing their best into the anime series###
This is what people think... but actually MAPPA is nothing but a nefarious organisation continuing to toy with their staff and pressure them to get the good stuff, it's hard for the Anime sector these days...
Sep 30, 2023 11:28 AM
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No surprise there. JJK continues to still look good purely out of "brute force", for the lack of better terms.
Sep 30, 2023 11:29 AM
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Phantom_373 said:
ktg said:
And people still keep praising MAPPA...

I mean there a good studio when it comes to producing shows with good animation.

But their problem is they take on way too many shows and the animators have terrible work conditions.

Mappa needs some kind of internal improvement

No, it's just better than average, let's say good, but not great. And this started after they took over SnK.
You can clearly see the issues on the finished product.
Sep 30, 2023 11:32 AM

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ktg said:
Phantom_373 said:

I mean there a good studio when it comes to producing shows with good animation.

But their problem is they take on way too many shows and the animators have terrible work conditions.

Mappa needs some kind of internal improvement

No, it's just better than average, let's say good, but not great. And this started after they took over SnK.
You can clearly see the issues on the finished product.

I mean if they took on less shows and overall had a better management I feel like the finished product for most of the anime they release would look better and overall be more well received by fans

Someone needs to do something about the horrendous work conditions the employees are dealing with
Sep 30, 2023 11:43 AM

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ktg said:
And people still keep praising MAPPA...

I mean there a good studio when it comes to producing shows with good animation.

But their problem is they take on way too many shows and the animators have terrible work conditions.

Mappa needs some kind of internal improvement

No, it's just better than average, let's say good, but not great. And this started after they took over SnK.
You can clearly see the issues on the finished product.
@ktg Chainsaw Man, JJK s2 and Vinland Saga look fantastic, even with their shortcomings. Things like Idaten Deities, Campfire Cooking, Dance Dance Danseur are actual examples of "just" above average
Sep 30, 2023 11:50 AM

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@ktg Chainsaw Man, JJK s2 and Vinland Saga look fantastic, even with their shortcomings. Things like Idaten Deities, Campfire Cooking, Dance Dance Danseur are actual examples of "just" above average
@Oongbuh That is the same guy that claimed the animation of Jigokuraku was great, why are you spending time with that retarded account?
Sep 30, 2023 11:52 AM

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and that's one of the main reason mappa is my least favorite studio, Mappa values ​​money more than the health of their employees, they really need to improve their working conditions.
Sep 30, 2023 11:59 AM

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mappa needs to chill tf out this time, madhouse ended up as another mid studio due of this situation
Sep 30, 2023 12:05 PM
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People who knows even a little about animation and industry knew from the very beginning that the schedule was horrendous.
Sep 30, 2023 12:07 PM
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dispite this people will say that this isn’t an excuse and will still demand high quality
Sep 30, 2023 12:25 PM

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MAPPA employees are breaking their bodies, so watchers who pirate anyway would call their work shit. Imagine this happening.

Sep 30, 2023 12:27 PM
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I'm just enjoying this MAPPA downfall. This POS studio deserves it the most for ruining AoT.
Sep 30, 2023 12:34 PM
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Common MAPPA L like I’ve always said

Funny to see that yall were dickriding this studio for the past few months
Sep 30, 2023 12:40 PM
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All animators will strike and protest tomorrow. And then they will wake up.
Sep 30, 2023 12:46 PM
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I'm just enjoying this MAPPA downfall. This POS studio deserves it the most for ruining AoT.
@arvetan By the way, it wasn't mappa that ruined Aot, it was pony canyon and kodansha
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I'm glad Sunghoo Park is gone. This guy was the one who took MAPPA into the stratosphere and no name losers disrespect him these days. There are only 2 reasons why MAPPA became so big, reason 1 - they stole the AoT franchise and the fanbase that was built by the hard work of Wit Studio and its audience. This gave them worldwide recognition. Reason 2 - During that worldwide recognition came a great animation, JJK Season 1, through the hard work of Sunghoo Park. Without Sunghoo Park, JJK is a soulless mediocre monster story and now AoT will end this year and MAPPA will have nothing. They have already ruined CSM as well. Amazing downfall. Fully deserved. Karma is real.
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I'm glad Sunghoo Park is gone. This guy was the one who took MAPPA into the stratosphere and no name losers disrespect him these days. There are only 2 reasons why MAPPA became so big, reason 1 - they stole the AoT franchise and the fanbase that was built by the hard work of Wit Studio and its audience. This gave them worldwide recognition. Reason 2 - During that worldwide recognition came a great animation, JJK Season 1, through the hard work of Sunghoo Park. Without Sunghoo Park, JJK is a soulless mediocre monster story and now AoT will end this year and MAPPA will have nothing. They have already ruined CSM as well. Amazing downfall. Fully deserved. Karma is real.
@arvetan we get it my child, we get it.

Now go to sleep
Sep 30, 2023 12:54 PM
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mappa needs to chill tf out this time, madhouse ended up as another mid studio due of this situation
@DrkSeid69 They need to relax and not give jjk and csm to the same team.
Sep 30, 2023 1:02 PM
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in the 7 links shared.... i am unable to open the 3rd and the quoted post in 5th can somebody share a screenshot or copied text so that i can read those tweets
Sep 30, 2023 1:03 PM

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@DrkSeid69 They need to relax and not give jjk and csm to the same team.
@feyyazu35 Exactly. and don't forget that both of those 2 productions have a hellish schedule

I would even complaining too if i was in that situation
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HAHAHHAHAHAA WTF THAT'S SO DYSTOPIAN HAHAHAHAHHA OMG
on a real note if this shit gets zom 100'd the fanbase will have the FUNNIEST reaction of all time, I like jjk and all but I wouldn't lose sleep over it but I would love to see mappa recieve the full frontal assault of the western jjk fanbase on twitter that shit would be LETHAL to the stomach
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@feyyazu35 Exactly. and don't forget that both of those 2 productions have a hellish schedule

I would even complaining too if i was in that situation
@DrkSeid69 Yes, because the team is very talented, they did 10 episodes well even with this terrible schedule. We still have 13 episodes to go, I hope the team will deliver this season in a healthy way.
Sep 30, 2023 2:19 PM
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dispite this people will say that this isn’t an excuse and will still demand high quality

I mean fuck them for the mistreatment, but yeah I still expect high quality, tf. I’ll wait longer, but still expect that good shit when it does finally come out.
Sep 30, 2023 2:23 PM
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mappa needs to have a cleansing. this is unacceptable

Yeah, I agree. If they drop their shows and work on 2 at a time maximum, and don't have unrealistic deadlines, mappa would work so much better
Sep 30, 2023 2:47 PM
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in the 7 links shared.... i am unable to open the 3rd and the quoted post in 5th can somebody share a screenshot or copied text so that i can read those tweets
@sunnyverma69 you can read some more here https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/16wckg3/mappa_studio_asked_animators_to_sign_ndas_to_not/
Sep 30, 2023 2:49 PM

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This is what you can typically expect from Mappa. Even though most animation studios abuse their employees, mappa is one of the worst if not the worst offender.
This is not even the first time complaints like these have been seen regarding mappa
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arvetan said:
I'm glad Sunghoo Park is gone. This guy was the one who took MAPPA into the stratosphere and no name losers disrespect him these days. There are only 2 reasons why MAPPA became so big, reason 1 - they stole the AoT franchise and the fanbase that was built by the hard work of Wit Studio and its audience. This gave them worldwide recognition. Reason 2 - During that worldwide recognition came a great animation, JJK Season 1, through the hard work of Sunghoo Park. Without Sunghoo Park, JJK is a soulless mediocre monster story and now AoT will end this year and MAPPA will have nothing. They have already ruined CSM as well. Amazing downfall. Fully deserved. Karma is real.

They ruined these anime so much that the vast majority of people loved it yes yes we understood that you were just a MAPPA hater.
I myself hate the management of MAPPA but their anime are good, thanks to the staff, you have to know the difference kid
Sep 30, 2023 6:48 PM
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Common MAPPA L like I’ve always said

Funny to see that yall were dickriding this studio for the past few months
@Issax28 people believed in the staff not the studio. Believe it or not Mappa has amazing talents but they just refuse to let them put their all.
Sep 30, 2023 7:49 PM
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People need to realise when they shit on Mappa's animations their shitting on the hard working staff. People feel bad for the staff for their work conditions while also saying that their work is shit? Mappa might need fixing but the animators are not in the wrong.
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ktg said:
And people still keep praising MAPPA...

By praising mappa they are praising those hard-working animators idk what you were trying to say by this
Sep 30, 2023 8:23 PM
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I think the NDA is about not leaking the production material and not about working conditions which I think falls under their defamation law.
Sep 30, 2023 8:41 PM
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ktg said:
Phantom_373 said:

I mean there a good studio when it comes to producing shows with good animation.

But their problem is they take on way too many shows and the animators have terrible work conditions.

Mappa needs some kind of internal improvement

No, it's just better than average, let's say good, but not great. And this started after they took over SnK.
You can clearly see the issues on the finished product.

“no it’s just better than average, let’s say good, not great” bro the guy literally said good, ur just repeating what he said💀 he never said great, u just yappin
Sep 30, 2023 9:05 PM
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Just imagine if MAPPA employees animated zom100😂😂
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and that's one of the main reason mappa is my least favorite studio, Mappa values ​​money more than the health of their employees, they really need to improve their working conditions.

literally all animation studios except KyoAni, even Ufotable does this to a certain point
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Just imagine if MAPPA employees animated zom100😂😂
@Kidzuna zom100 animators should look at themself first 😩😩😩
Sep 30, 2023 10:51 PM

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The work conditions in MAPPA are commonplace in Japan, it would be great to have been able to do something about it but unless the whole of Japan unionizes for Employee rights there's literally nothing anyone from outside can do
So yeah anyone arguing for the animators welfare, realistically you can only limit yourselves to the 'feeling bad' and nothing more
Although in this particular case, either CSM isn't coming back for 2 years or JJK is suffering indefinite Hiatus next season, if not this season
Sep 30, 2023 10:53 PM

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I'm just enjoying this MAPPA downfall. This POS studio deserves it the most for ruining AoT.

ofc there are people who pretend to give a shit about animators and use it as a cover to and basically go about their daily hate-game
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The work conditions in MAPPA are commonplace in Japan, it would be great to have been able to do something about it but unless the whole of Japan unionizes for Employee rights there's literally nothing anyone from outside can do
So yeah anyone arguing for the animators welfare, realistically you can only limit yourselves to the 'feeling bad' and nothing more
Although in this particular case, either CSM isn't coming back for 2 years or JJK is suffering indefinite Hiatus next season, if not this season
@CreepHazard Why are you posting resonable points instead of yelling MAPPA bad?
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And people still keep praising MAPPA...

By praising mappa they are praising those hard-working animators idk what you were trying to say by this

THIS
Although the industry itself is fucked in the arse, MAPPA is one of the studios that's actively improvising, and probably one of the few studios even capable of Solo-productions. If they get through this struggle era they CAN rival KyoAni or Ufotable in healthy production charts
Sep 30, 2023 11:16 PM

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@csmfan069 and i haven't seemed to defend that studio on this thread until now. learn to read again
Sep 30, 2023 11:21 PM

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The work conditions in MAPPA are commonplace in Japan, it would be great to have been able to do something about it but unless the whole of Japan unionizes for Employee rights there's literally nothing anyone from outside can do
So yeah anyone arguing for the animators welfare, realistically you can only limit yourselves to the 'feeling bad' and nothing more
Although in this particular case, either CSM isn't coming back for 2 years or JJK is suffering indefinite Hiatus next season, if not this season
@CreepHazard if a well known animator even complaining about mappa work condition, i don't think it's a common case at this point. I can see mappa productions are going to melt down if they keep suppressing the animators
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@csmfan069 and i haven't seemed to defend that studio on this thread until now. learn to read again
@DrkSeid69 maybe not in this thread, but i've seen you defending mappa multiple times before in csm thread and bunch of other threads
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@DrkSeid69 maybe not in this thread, but i've seen you defending mappa multiple times before in csm thread and bunch of other threads
@csmfan069 well that means you need to learn to read. I only defending the anime, never defending the studio at all
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