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Apr 10, 2023 7:56 AM
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Hell's Paradise is a series that has a solid start. The MC of this show is about 16 and his wife married before the age of 18. By that definition, it falls under the term "Child marriage". This is something that I don't notice in a lot of battle shonen where MC is married at a young age. 

In the first episode, we notice that the father of Gabimaru's wife who is a big jerk basically burns her daughter's face with a heated iron rod at the right eye and it is fucked up childhood for a young girl. Then, the father doesn't like his daughter a peaceful and normal life. It is implied that she was forced to marry the MC out of obligation by her father. 

This is just an implication and I'm not stating these statements as facts. I would like to know whether the manga or the source material covers this topic in a detailed way or if is it just shrugged off completely and later has no relevance to the plot. 

My questions are: 

Do Gabimaru and Yui marry each other out of genuine love? or Is it just forced by her father? 


Maybe, I could be focusing on the wrong things, and it's pretty good to have a discussion about this topic. 
Apr 10, 2023 8:09 AM
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Child Marriage, in that era? Where both of the couple could be called ‘children’?

To answer your question, she got her normal life, I think that’s what she wants, the Father gave in and decided to award her to Gabi.

But let’s wait till other posts pop up. This will be a fun thread.
Apr 10, 2023 8:09 AM
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I'm an anime only, but I think that they genuinely love each other, in the flashbacks shown, they love each other alot, maybe they starting each other after marriage? Who knows?

And also, at the time period this anime takes place, I'm pretty sure 16 year olds marrying was pretty normal
Apr 10, 2023 8:13 AM
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I wouldn’t call it child marraige because it was normal in that era and they wouldn’t be considered as children.

And as to their marriage. They were forced to it, or rather she was forced to it but they fell in love later.
Apr 10, 2023 8:21 AM
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dude forgot that this is a fantasy and pre-modern settings anime. The standards are different ofc💀
Apr 10, 2023 8:30 AM
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Sanjay63773 said:
Hell's Paradise is a series that has a solid start. The MC of this show is about 16 and his wife married before the age of 18. By that definition, it falls under the term "Child marriage". This is something that I don't notice in a lot of battle shonen where MC is married at a young age. 

In the first episode, we notice that the father of Gabimaru's wife who is a big jerk basically burns her daughter's face with a heated iron rod at the right eye and it is fucked up childhood for a young girl. Then, the father doesn't like his daughter a peaceful and normal life. It is implied that she was forced to marry the MC out of obligation by her father. 

This is just an implication and I'm not stating these statements as facts. I would like to know whether the manga or the source material covers this topic in a detailed way or if is it just shrugged off completely and later has no relevance to the plot. 

My questions are: 

Do Gabimaru and Yui marry each other out of genuine love? or Is it just forced by her father? 


Maybe, I could be focusing on the wrong things, and it's pretty good to have a discussion about this topic. 

You know I read it somewhere I Google that in 2010s the marriage age in Japan was 15 years old tho it's 18 now
Apr 10, 2023 8:32 AM
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at that time child marriage was normal, nothing bad about it being depicted in a show thats set in that era.
Apr 10, 2023 9:10 AM
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I read about half of the manga and then saw the anime was announced so I decided to stop especially when I saw who was adapting it. From what I can tell they both do love each other although it was fairly forced on the daughters end at firsts but they grew to love each other very quickly.
Apr 10, 2023 9:22 AM
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the first ep answers your questions
Apr 10, 2023 9:26 AM

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marriage had been arranged but eventually they grew to love each other with all of their flaws

also, it's fantasy/supernatural story with historical setting, so their age is not as astounding as it would be for an anime set in modern times
Apr 10, 2023 9:32 AM
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Also, bear in mind that life expectancy in that time wasn't what it is today, so it was normal for such young people to get married.
Apr 10, 2023 10:01 AM

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You are putting modern standards to a complete different time period. That is fallacious.
It is a time period, where life is cheap, might makes right and as such life expectancy was quite low, so people were marrying early.
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Apr 10, 2023 10:08 AM

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During the time period, you were pretty much not considered a child after puberty. Childhood ending at a set age is a relatively recent trend, historically speaking.

And yes, it was almost certainly an arranged marriage, again, as was normal for the era.
Apr 10, 2023 10:48 AM

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Raph03 said:
dude forgot that this is a fantasy and pre-modern settings anime. The standards are different ofc💀

I wish people saw Mushoku Tensei in the same light 😔
Apr 10, 2023 1:37 PM
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My grandma got married at 18, but by grandpa was 16. Different times and cultures.
Apr 10, 2023 2:36 PM

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From what I have seen, they probably came to love each other eventually.




Apr 10, 2023 2:53 PM
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Bro who cares?Everybody was allowed to marry after hitting puberty back then.Men were generally older since they are breadwinners.But nobody cared about 18 and stuff
Apr 10, 2023 5:57 PM
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It’s not child marriage if they’re not considered children… in times as such kids who were going through puberty or more specifically kids who’d gotten their pubes, weren’t really considered children anymore.


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Apr 10, 2023 6:53 PM
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Sanjay63773 said:
Hell's Paradise is a series that has a solid start. The MC of this show is about 16 and his wife married before the age of 18. By that definition, it falls under the term "Child marriage". This is something that I don't notice in a lot of battle shonen where MC is married at a young age. 

In the first episode, we notice that the father of Gabimaru's wife who is a big jerk basically burns her daughter's face with a heated iron rod at the right eye and it is fucked up childhood for a young girl. Then, the father doesn't like his daughter a peaceful and normal life. It is implied that she was forced to marry the MC out of obligation by her father. 

This is just an implication and I'm not stating these statements as facts. I would like to know whether the manga or the source material covers this topic in a detailed way or if is it just shrugged off completely and later has no relevance to the plot. 

My questions are: 

Do Gabimaru and Yui marry each other out of genuine love? or Is it just forced by her father? 


Maybe, I could be focusing on the wrong things, and it's pretty good to have a discussion about this topic. 

they didn't had a love marriage but they developed love after the marriage
Apr 10, 2023 7:01 PM

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CreepHazard said:
Raph03 said:
dude forgot that this is a fantasy and pre-modern settings anime. The standards are different ofc💀

I wish people saw Mushoku Tensei in the same light 😔

I'm glad some people didn't. Seeing Mushoku Tensei in that light is pretty foolish as the story and setting of the series are completely different. What you're implying here makes no logical sense unless you're implying something more controversial.




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Apr 10, 2023 8:44 PM
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CreepHazard said:
Raph03 said:
dude forgot that this is a fantasy and pre-modern settings anime. The standards are different ofc💀

I wish people saw Mushoku Tensei in the same light 😔
except in hells paradise the MC isn't trying to sexually assault 12y/o. The wife feels like atleast 16y/o which is totally fine considering the era and not to mention gabimaru doesn't look like a lusty beast while looking at minors
Apr 10, 2023 8:45 PM

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lol this generation of kids are so cooked thanks to western politics 
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Apr 11, 2023 1:15 AM
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Personally, i would rather discuss this with historians because they know much more about this topic and about real child marriages that happened, than a few animated pixel enjoyers
Apr 11, 2023 3:21 AM
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this takes place in the Edo period. this was not uncommon whatsoever then. I appreciate being historically aware vs changing it for the sake of modern day ethics
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Apr 11, 2023 3:39 AM
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Back then, Child marriage wasn't even a term

Even the "age of maturity" is a lie we have been told to limit & hold back our potential
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Apr 11, 2023 5:38 AM

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LordSozin said:
CreepHazard said:

I wish people saw Mushoku Tensei in the same light 😔

I'm glad some people didn't. Seeing Mushoku Tensei in that light is pretty foolish as the story and setting of the series are completely different. What you're implying here makes no logical sense unless you're implying something more controversial.

It's an entirely different world? So y'all can accept history but when an author tries to create an entire world out of his creativity y'all diss on it for being pedo content?
Apr 11, 2023 5:45 AM

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Sagenaker11 said:
CreepHazard said:

I wish people saw Mushoku Tensei in the same light 😔
except in hells paradise the MC isn't trying to sexually assault 12y/o. The wife feels like atleast 16y/o which is totally fine considering the era and not to mention gabimaru doesn't look like a lusty beast while looking at minors

I don't think we saw the same show then. Rudeus never SAd any of the female characters. And as far as I remember there was no child marriage either. It's already been stated that 15 was the coming of age in Mushoku Tensei world and it's stupid to compare that to our world which has totally different systems and even biology probably
Apr 11, 2023 6:39 AM
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CreepHazard said:
Sagenaker11 said:
except in hells paradise the MC isn't trying to sexually assault 12y/o. The wife feels like atleast 16y/o which is totally fine considering the era and not to mention gabimaru doesn't look like a lusty beast while looking at minors

I don't think we saw the same show then. Rudeus never SAd any of the female characters. And as far as I remember there was no child marriage either. It's already been stated that 15 was the coming of age in Mushoku Tensei world and it's stupid to compare that to our world which has totally different systems and even biology probably

Eh… hmmm, true, he didn’t sexually assault anyone(probably), but he did have seggs before being 15.
Apr 11, 2023 6:41 AM

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Lawrencw said:
CreepHazard said:

I don't think we saw the same show then. Rudeus never SAd any of the female characters. And as far as I remember there was no child marriage either. It's already been stated that 15 was the coming of age in Mushoku Tensei world and it's stupid to compare that to our world which has totally different systems and even biology probably

Eh… hmmm, true, he didn’t sexually assault anyone(probably), but he did have seggs before being 15.

I think it's acceptable because he didn't force himself at all. Heck even with his horny ass previous life he refused to do so at first and made sure Eris was in her senses
Apr 11, 2023 6:43 AM
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CreepHazard said:
Lawrencw said:

Eh… hmmm, true, he didn’t sexually assault anyone(probably), but he did have seggs before being 15.

I think it's acceptable because he didn't force himself at all. Heck even with his horny ass previous life he refused to do so at first and made sure Eris was in her senses

I guess first impressions do matter. People are just mad at him
Apr 11, 2023 8:48 AM
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Ah yes, western woke topic. I think you people need to ask your grandparents when they married.
Apr 11, 2023 9:08 AM
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wait the MC is supposed to be 16??? how has that guy managed to find enough time to become a highly acclaimed assasian and grow a loving relationship with his wife in such short time. His real superpower is time managment holy hell
Apr 11, 2023 11:28 AM
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To you its child marriage, to me i don't care
Apr 11, 2023 11:58 AM
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If you watch episode 1, it's clear that Gabimaru and Yui help each other out and they do love each other. It was forced/arranged but through the time together, they learn about each other more and also this is held before the modern days like pre-historical times. Marriage at that age during that time is relatively normal :)
Apr 11, 2023 11:59 AM
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wait the MC is supposed to be 16??? how has that guy managed to find enough time to become a highly acclaimed assasian and grow a loving relationship with his wife in such short time. His real superpower is time managment holy hell

I concur. Buts it’s fiction, so… time goes brr
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CreepHazard said:
LordSozin said:

I'm glad some people didn't. Seeing Mushoku Tensei in that light is pretty foolish as the story and setting of the series are completely different. What you're implying here makes no logical sense unless you're implying something more controversial.

It's an entirely different world? So y'all can accept history but when an author tries to create an entire world out of his creativity y'all diss on it for being pedo content?

What's so creative here? A redemption story for a pedophile? What's so creative about it if the writing is shit to begin with.




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Apr 11, 2023 4:12 PM
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Stop with this stupid marriage thing.
It's a different era y'all,
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why is this even a discussion
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LordSozin said:
CreepHazard said:

It's an entirely different world? So y'all can accept history but when an author tries to create an entire world out of his creativity y'all diss on it for being pedo content?

What's so creative here? A redemption story for a pedophile? What's so creative about it if the writing is shit to begin with.

Calling it "Redemption story of a pedophile" is the worst way to describe it. If someone underwent that trauma in high school 80% of the people wouldn't try to restart their lives again. It's a redemption story from the lowest point of a person's life after he's gifted with a chance to redo it all afresh. The fact guy called it bad writing shows that you're blinded by your hate
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CreepHazard said:
LordSozin said:

What's so creative here? A redemption story for a pedophile? What's so creative about it if the writing is shit to begin with.

Calling it "Redemption story of a pedophile" is the worst way to describe it. If someone underwent that trauma in high school 80% of the people wouldn't try to restart their lives again. It's a redemption story from the lowest point of a person's life after he's gifted with a chance to redo it all afresh. The fact guy called it bad writing shows that you're blinded by your hate

Am I wrong for calling out the pedo elements? You even stated yourself there's pedo content within the series. I get that the series is about redemption. From what I've seen, however, the redemption part of the narrative is weak when one's self doesn't change at all. Rudeus is still the same as before. I guess what's considered redemption is different from yours to mine.




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LordSozin said:
CreepHazard said:

Calling it "Redemption story of a pedophile" is the worst way to describe it. If someone underwent that trauma in high school 80% of the people wouldn't try to restart their lives again. It's a redemption story from the lowest point of a person's life after he's gifted with a chance to redo it all afresh. The fact guy called it bad writing shows that you're blinded by your hate

Am I wrong for calling out the pedo elements? You even stated yourself there's pedo content within the series. I get that the series is about redemption. From what I've seen, however, the redemption part of the narrative is weak when one's self doesn't change at all. Rudeus is still the same as before. I guess what's considered redemption is different from yours to mine.

It's quite misleading to call it pedo based on the MCs previous life so it's still partially wrong. His redemption was quite progressive and if you didn't see that maybe we watched different shows
Apr 15, 2023 10:12 AM
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@ Abysswalker204 historians? Lol, our greatgrandparents and grandparents were getting married way before being 18. That wasn't so long ago compared to the era this anime is in. You don't need historians, just common sense or basic reading skills. (Or go ask your grandparents how it was back then)
Apr 15, 2023 10:14 AM
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CreepHazard said:
LordSozin said:

Am I wrong for calling out the pedo elements? You even stated yourself there's pedo content within the series. I get that the series is about redemption. From what I've seen, however, the redemption part of the narrative is weak when one's self doesn't change at all. Rudeus is still the same as before. I guess what's considered redemption is different from yours to mine.

It's quite misleading to call it pedo based on the MCs previous life so it's still partially wrong. His redemption was quite progressive and if you didn't see that maybe we watched different shows
People who call Mushoku tensei pedo content have never actually read or watched the story. They will never change their minds so let them rant
Apr 15, 2023 2:50 PM

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Gabimaru's 16? Well... What good is they actually already married... Some of underage girls in those era are already becoming a prostitute... Just look at Daki's from Demon Slayer... it's a normal life for those eras.

It was obviously a forced marriage... But they actually develop a real love after the marriage.
Apr 15, 2023 4:25 PM
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Back then, there was no such thing as teen or young adult. Whenever you're big enough, you have to do a job like an adult do, and are in the marriage range.

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