Hasn't stood the test of time

giffica said:

Bleach is an beat by beat lift of Yuyu Hakusho 🤪🤪🤪

Ichigo is a hollow because Yusuke was a demon. Rukia is Botan. The entire demon realm is where soul society came from. The entire grand reveal of ichigos father is taken from Yusuke's father. Kubo has said and admited this.

What bleach revolutionized was character design which wasn't that much different than Trigun (Kubos main inspo for Zombiepowder) and Jojo (which Kubo also cites).

Listen i used to play these stupid inspired games but just read your mangakas favorite manga brcause often they got it from there, and everyone ripped their plots from Jumps first smash hits, Ashita no Joe and Devilman. not a single plot, beat, character, or element can not be traced to one of those two works. The Aizen reveal is from devilman. The concept of Gotei 13 and Akatsuki both from Devilman. Tournaments are from Joe. Narutos crosscounter is from Joe and Ichigos Bankai is from Devilman. Legacy is complex and resting your series success on ORIGINALITY will instantly lose your any debate. Originality is unoriginal. Akira is considered the greatest manga of all time by virtually every mangaka because the emotion and way he draws faces. Nothing else.

Cestlavie_ said:

The thing about Ichigo it can be summed up to
gets beat up-crys-new power up rinse and repeat

That is basically it every arc, I'm not denying he got a bit of character development or what not during fullbringer arc but other than that , that arc was basically an excuse to give Ichigo back his powers .

Ichigo doesn't just have as much depth as Yuuske


The other main characters like Chad and Orihime don't even get enough screen time at least yyh gives enough screentime to its main cast especially during the dark tournament

giffica said:

Aizen reveal is in Devilman it wasn't shocking.

Let me help you. you can check my list i think bleach is a 10/10 so im not saying this to degrade bleach, just to be clear why its a masterpiece. Bleachs build and pacing and framing into and leading up to the Aizen arc is one of the most genius arcs in the history of manga. Its not WHAT HAPPENED its HOW KUBO SHOWED IT. Get it now man? And this js true for all manga. Great manga are made by how they show things. Most stories are the same story retold and reused. All this stuff existed in the 70s in Go Nagai manga and various New Wave Sci-fi artists that pioneered modern Shonen combat. The concept of Aura was first used by Nagai in the 70s, psychic powers, demons, hero's becoming kr revealing as demons, these are THE HALLMARKS OF NAGAI. The entire vizard thing was done by nagai. Violence Jack is the center of most Shonen today which Tetsuo Hara states is where they got the concept for Fist of the North Star and it's entire post apocolyptic hyper violent world. Fist of the North star combat is where JoJo got Hamon, then Stands. Combining these influences you get Bleach eventually.

Man its so deep. The entire Hxh york new city arc js from Susano'o. There are ninja robot manga by Nagai from 72. Just read Devilman and Ashita No Joe before worrying about originality. Focus on framing, style, emotion, and panels.

giffica said:

Friend me and I'll check your list. Just based on Berserk, you are already going to enjoy lol Most Berserk fans know Miura was an assistant to Tetsuo Hara of Fist of the North Star. But both Hara and Miura cite Nagais Violence Jack for their world building, and brutality. The entire rape scene with Guts is lifted again from Nagai works where it happens 7 or 8 times major characters get raped lmao I didn't get shocked by that scene in berserk for example i saw it coming.

Now, i wouldn't recomend Violence Jack cause its a complex manga to start. Its actually written over multiple years and decades, and it uses every character from his other works in the series, sort of like JoJo Steel Ball Run (which is where araki got the idea too lol) So you want to read the original works first. Mainly though Devilman is what matters. There are 5 volumes too so its not long. That's the first major recomendation. Devilman.

Next, read Ashita No Joes 21 volumes. Nearly every manga has fight choreography ripped from the pages of Joe.

Anime wise tough to recomend ashita since its older. Devilman original anime is VERY different from tbe manga, and was made for kids. When kids read the manga it scarred them for life and mothers patitioned the government to ban his works. However, i hear the new Devilman Crybaby is a fantastic anime, but i havent seen it personally.

I would first and foremost recomend Akira since its the greatest manga ever made. After you do, you'll have enough context to read Trigun which is soft inspired by Akira. Trigun inspired Bleach.

You can watch Akira, its only 1 movie. Watch Trigun after, 26 episodes. Classic anime, inspired Cowboy Bebop as well. In english, Ichigos voice actor, Johnny Yong Bosch, is actually in both 🤣 He is Kaneda in Akira and Vash in Trigun. The 2 main leads. Arguably he gets his role as ichigos due to those 2 anime.

For more suggestions id need to see what you like, or have watched already. Cowboy Bebop, Ghost in the Shell, Slam Dunk, Monster if you haven't. all classics. Anything done by Studios who did anime you like. Bleach and Pierrot comes to mind. Pierrot is my favorite studio and has 10+ classics.