BOTREE said: stories heavily focused on either plot or characters Quite the gist, why S;G is treated as a masterpiece. And here not just one but both charecters and plot are well developed. Now you're asking why you don't seem to enjoy it while people call it "objectively" masterpiece, right? It's simply because your enjoyment, expectations and emotions are not objective. |
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| It might have something to do with the slow pace during the first half which mostly is comprised of slice of life with lots of wacky otaku humor and eccentric personalities. That's one of the main complaints people have with the show. But after browsing our mutual shared anime, I see that you've enjoyed plenty of shows with even wackier characters like Re:Zero. So it's kinda inexplicable. For me I can't think of much anything the show does wrong. It has great art direction, a loveable cast, hilarious comedy, a gripping plot and it strongly resonates with me on an emotional level. |
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| To OP: 1) Stop caring about MAL ratings. They are not important in predicting sequels. Japanese perspective is more important in predicting sequels. 2) No fiction is masterpiece. Every fiction has flaws. A fan has to acknowledge the pros and cons of a fiction. 3) Taste differs. It is alright to not enjoy a popular anime. I fell asleep watching a ton of battle-shounen such as Demon Slayer, Hunter X Hunter, etc. If you want recommendations, do not use MAL ratings, you can ask for recommendations in the recommendations forums and people will recommend you fiction that you will enjoy. |
BOTREE said: I feel rezero's drawing point were the characters and the pain the mc faces with his power, I felt more appeal to that then stein's gate mc's conflict. Or maybe my isekai brain just thought fantasy world equals more fun lol Okabe's pain is mostly emotional trauma. But seeing Subaru have his guts spill on the floor and his arms ripped off is much more visceral. So I get it. |
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Aya-non said: Mankind believes time travel/time concepts = masterpiece if you have watched/read many time-based movies/stories like Donnie Darko, butterfly effect, primer, looper, time crimes, 12 monkeys, Back to the Future...etc and animanga like Noein: to your other self, When They Cry, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, The Girl Who Leapt Through Time,..etc you'll have the basic knowledge of time paradoxes and other stuffs so I kinda get it why you r disappointed. I agree with you. Nowadays it's really difficult to find some new type of Time Travel story in any media. All are same overused concepts. Tenet was probably the last thing I watched having some different type of time travel story. |
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| It's easier to admit that you have small brain than to make a long ass essay about something you don't understand. |
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| Steins; Gate to me falls into that lucky category of series that most people who try it end up thinking it's one of the best anime they have ever seen.... just because most of the people who tried it before them also thought it was one of the best anime they had ever seen. I have the impression it is one of the anime series that has most benefited in time of social desirability bias. |
MickDH said: just isn't for you, I quickly checked your profile and saw that One Piece is a 10/10, I don't know a single person in my friends group that likes both One Piece and Steins Gate, It wasn't to your taste and that's completely fine π Hi there, want me to introduce my friends as well? All 358? We're special human beings. |
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BOTREE said: I didn't drop the show and finished it, never watched the other season or movies but l think having seen all 24 episodes is enough of a gist to form my own opinion on it. I can appreciate for what it is worth and how it's good in some aspects but to say it's an objective masterpiece l don't really see it. Maybe it's because of all the hype and expectations l placed on it but it just fell flat. Like the plot twists were all good but in terms of emotional attachment towards characters didn't really feel much. In terms of using time travel as a concept for the story, the only show l felt that lived to the hype of using such a plot device was the Netflix show called 'dark'. It truly had plot twist after plot twist building a spiderweb of plots, and l was expecting the same from stein's gate but it only met halfway to my expectations. Art is obviously subjective, but l'd just like to hear a reasoning behind why it's rated so highly above other masterpieces, to the point where it's scored 3rd highest rated of all time on myanimelist. note: my type of shows l like include: made in abyss, 86, shinsekai yori, odd taxi, shouwa genroku rakugo shinjuu, code geass, one piece. I love stories heavily focused on either plot or characters no matter how short or long. I don't understand your complaint about it's plot and characters. The characters are the strongest point of this story. They are what make this plot work. If one doesn't feel attached, they won't care what happens even if the twists are mind-blowing. I see you loved Dark, which is in my watch list and I have heard of it to be the "best in terms of time travel". So perhaps your disappointment comes from that. But once again, Steins;Gate is more of a character study than it is a time travel show. |
BOTREE said: I didn't drop the show and finished it, never watched the other season or movies but l think having seen all 24 episodes is enough of a gist to form my own opinion on it. I can appreciate for what it is worth and how it's good in some aspects but to say it's an objective masterpiece l don't really see it. Maybe it's because of all the hype and expectations l placed on it but it just fell flat. Like the plot twists were all good but in terms of emotional attachment towards characters didn't really feel much. In terms of using time travel as a concept for the story, the only show l felt that lived to the hype of using such a plot device was the Netflix show called 'dark'. It truly had plot twist after plot twist building a spiderweb of plots, and l was expecting the same from stein's gate but it only met halfway to my expectations. Art is obviously subjective, but l'd just like to hear a reasoning behind why it's rated so highly above other masterpieces, to the point where it's scored 3rd highest rated of all time on myanimelist. note: my type of shows l like include: made in abyss, 86, shinsekai yori, odd taxi, shouwa genroku rakugo shinjuu, code geass, one piece. I love stories heavily focused on either plot or characters no matter how short or long. Did you watch this after watching Re:Zero? Then it would make a lot of sense because Re:Zero is just Steins;Gate minus all the time paradoxes and technology, while adding 10x the emotional impact with each dialogue and scene. They're masterpieces in their own aspects but the other can be heavily impacted based on which one you watched first |
BOTREE said: The problem here seems pretty clear, if you aren't invested in the characters then it's all just bullshit, don't forget, the series is also a harem. I didn't drop the show and finished it, never watched the other season or movies but l think having seen all 24 episodes is enough of a gist to form my own opinion on it. I can appreciate for what it is worth and how it's good in some aspects but to say it's an objective masterpiece l don't really see it. Maybe it's because of all the hype and expectations l placed on it but it just fell flat. Like the plot twists were all good but in terms of emotional attachment towards characters didn't really feel much. In terms of using time travel as a concept for the story, the only show l felt that lived to the hype of using such a plot device was the Netflix show called 'dark'. It truly had plot twist after plot twist building a spiderweb of plots, and l was expecting the same from stein's gate but it only met halfway to my expectations. Art is obviously subjective, but l'd just like to hear a reasoning behind why it's rated so highly above other masterpieces, to the point where it's scored 3rd highest rated of all time on myanimelist. note: my type of shows l like include: made in abyss, 86, shinsekai yori, odd taxi, shouwa genroku rakugo shinjuu, code geass, one piece. I love stories heavily focused on either plot or characters no matter how short or long. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
BOTREE said: You already stated that you didn't have much emotional attachment to the characters, that would render the build-up, and aftermath, meaningless. Archdruidman said: I think the characters all work, l'm not saying it's a terrible show, but l just don't think the buildup was really worth it. The conflict was decent, l just wished it was more intense in terms of tragedy and could have made me care deeply on an emotional level. It's probably just my taste in anime has become distorted through really fucked up mediums more depressing then what stein gate mc went through like made in abyss, goodnight pun pun and Evangelion which are pretty hard to compete against.Hey um, if you have as one of your arguments against calling sg an objective masterpiece (meaning the emotional attachment) being subjective, you should really reevaluate your claim. Since you have the notion that it isnt a masterpiece, could you explain why? I mean in detail, talking about what aspects of what characters dont work and shit like that, cause we all know its harder to prove a positive than a negative |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
Aya-non said: Why do they like time travel so much the reddit crowd?Mankind believes time travel/time concepts = masterpiece if you have watched/read many time-based movies/stories like Donnie Darko, butterfly effect, primer, looper, time crimes, 12 monkeys, Back to the Future...etc and animanga like Noein: to your other self, When They Cry, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, The Girl Who Leapt Through Time, Inu yasha, Doraemon..etc you'll have the basic knowledge of time paradoxes and other stuffs so I kinda get it why you r disappointed. |
| Maybe you did not like it because it does not have fight scenes like One Piss and Shit Art Online |
| If you want to reply to my posts, come up with valid arguments instead of ad hominem HIGHER LEVEL THINKERS ONLY |
| 1) it panders really hard to otaku, who are the primary userbase of MAL. 2) it's moderately clever, which is unusual for pandering otakubait stuff. Add in the average MAL user's hyperbolic style of praise and that's why you get countless "steins;gate is the best show ever made!!!!!" posts. It's also worth noting that visual novel adaptations are a mixed bag, leaning towards mostly bad. So this one turning out decent is also just enough to catch people's attention. |
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