| Don't listen to that 9whatever guy, he speedruns the manga and is a victim of the reading comprehension devil. |
| Denji is one of the better characters in the series imo, though some CSM fans only care about simping for Makima, Power, or Reze. It’s a shame Fujimoto benched Denji in part 2 so Asa could be the mc. I was looking forward to reading part 2 but from what I’ve heard it’s not even close to part 1’s level, and it not featuring Denji is probably one of the reasons |
9whatever said: csm characters won't have any decent character development, denji doesn't have any character development and today's manga chapter only establishes my statement. you just have to accept it as it is The reading comprehension devil strikes again. |
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9whatever said: csm characters won't have any decent character development, denji doesn't have any character development and today's manga chapter only establishes my statement. you just have to accept it as it is This isn’t true at all |
Animillion said: Denji is one of the better characters in the series imo, though some CSM fans only care about simping for Makima, Power, or Reze. It’s a shame Fujimoto benched Denji in part 2 so Asa could be the mc. I was looking forward to reading part 2 but from what I’ve heard it’s not even close to part 1’s level, and it not featuring Denji is probably one of the reasons Part 2 is better then the fist half of part 1 in my opinion and asa is a great character too |
Animillion said: Denji is one of the better characters in the series imo, though some CSM fans only care about simping for Makima, Power, or Reze. It’s a shame Fujimoto benched Denji in part 2 so Asa could be the mc. I was looking forward to reading part 2 but from what I’ve heard it’s not even close to part 1’s level, and it not featuring Denji is probably one of the reasons Part 2 had a better start than Part 1 though. |
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9whatever said: Ludumm said: Dawg. Aki-Himeno It only falls apart if make tangential claims. He didn’t empathize with humans, as he was more beast then human. Very similar to power. He learns how to empathize with humans later in the story. It’s so cut and dry. because we never got the confirmation that he can't emphatize with humans you automatically think, that he can't. you made it up yourself. him saying that he didn't feel emotions after himeno's death is not so obvious like you want it to be. it was never implied that he couldn't befriend a human before (he could, he just wasn't trying and it was shown how easily he approached Makima and others, without having thus called social skills) and not being able to emphathize. but it was already shown that he had the ability to emphatize and u just want to believe like he actually couldn't. it was said by Denji himself that he knew Himeno for this small period of time and him not caring about her after death, doesn't mean he cant care and emphatize. Him ACTUALLY CARING ABOUT AKI in the snowball scene is showing the DIFFERENCE, between his relationship with Aki and Himeno. That he knew Aki enough and was close enough to emphatize about his death and not caring about Himeno, who he knew for 2 days or smth. And you act like there was some sense of development when u just made shit yourself and believe in it Reread chapter 27 and then chapter 70. See if you can spot the difference. Because apparently this isn’t development.     |
| He is the nihilistic hedonistic zoomer kind of guy. |
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Ludumm said: 9whatever said: because we never got the confirmation that he can't emphatize with humans you automatically think, that he can't. you made it up yourself. him saying that he didn't feel emotions after himeno's death is not so obvious like you want it to be. it was never implied that he couldn't befriend a human before (he could, he just wasn't trying and it was shown how easily he approached Makima and others, without having thus called social skills) and not being able to emphathize. but it was already shown that he had the ability to emphatize and u just want to believe like he actually couldn't. it was said by Denji himself that he knew Himeno for this small period of time and him not caring about her after death, doesn't mean he cant care and emphatize. Him ACTUALLY CARING ABOUT AKI in the snowball scene is showing the DIFFERENCE, between his relationship with Aki and Himeno. That he knew Aki enough and was close enough to emphatize about his death and not caring about Himeno, who he knew for 2 days or smth. And you act like there was some sense of development when u just made shit yourself and believe in it Reread chapter 27 and then chapter 70. See if you can spot the difference. Because apparently this isn’t development. I don’t think you understand the difference between character development and indifference. A character can’t be considered to change if all they are is nihilistic; a character that once believes in a purpose and then becomes nihilistic is considered to change but if a character has always not cared his character has never changed lol. |
Ludumm said: 9whatever said: because we never got the confirmation that he can't emphatize with humans you automatically think, that he can't. you made it up yourself. him saying that he didn't feel emotions after himeno's death is not so obvious like you want it to be. it was never implied that he couldn't befriend a human before (he could, he just wasn't trying and it was shown how easily he approached Makima and others, without having thus called social skills) and not being able to emphathize. but it was already shown that he had the ability to emphatize and u just want to believe like he actually couldn't. it was said by Denji himself that he knew Himeno for this small period of time and him not caring about her after death, doesn't mean he cant care and emphatize. Him ACTUALLY CARING ABOUT AKI in the snowball scene is showing the DIFFERENCE, between his relationship with Aki and Himeno. That he knew Aki enough and was close enough to emphatize about his death and not caring about Himeno, who he knew for 2 days or smth. And you act like there was some sense of development when u just made shit yourself and believe in it Reread chapter 27 and then chapter 70. See if you can spot the difference. Because apparently this isn’t development. i dont wanna nag, but that doesn't rly prove your point. if you say that you're for example fearless, but then you get scared, doesn't mean that what got u scared is beyond imagining. it means that you overestimate yourself. him questioning how he didn't care about Himeno's death and possible Aki's death, still doesn't mean that he developed the ability to empathize. it probably means that he got closer with him and now he actually cared about someone's death (but this is still not a proper development, by any meaning). it's possible that he didn't even believe himself that he would cry, because, how i said, he could've overestimate himself in this and eventually cry. but that's only my speculations. and i believe in them, because of one simple reason, other than PROBABLY this - he didn't develop at all. so it means that his development on this segment of his character most likely didn't happen also. |
9whateverJan 11, 2023 1:43 PM
9whatever said: Ludumm said: Reread chapter 27 and then chapter 70. See if you can spot the difference. Because apparently this isn’t development. i dont wanna nag, but that doesn't rly prove your point. if you say that you're for example fearless, but then you get scared, doesn't mean that what got u scared is beyond imagining. it means that you overestimate yourself. him questioning how he didn't care about Himeno's death and possible Aki's death, still doesn't mean that he developed the ability to empathize. it probably means that he got closer with him and now he actually cared about someone's death (but this is still not a proper development, by any meaning). it's possible that he didn't even believe himself that he would cry, because, how i said, he could've overestimate himself in this and eventually cry. but that's only my speculations. and i believe in them, because of one simple reason, other than PROBABLY this - he didn't develop at all. so it means that his development on this segment of his character most likely didn't happen also. “I don’t believe denji has changed throughout the manga, so it must be some other reason because I’m desperately tied to a really fucking stupid opinion” Loud and clear, chief. 👍 Side note, you should read “goodbye eri” by fujimoto. Insane story that’s is unbelievably convoluted and complicated, weaving in several meta narratives and perspective fake outs that truly exemplify how talented of a writer he is. It’s a piece that could only be created by someone with an extensive history of writing complicated storylines and dynamic characters. But I guess he only used that ability for other stories and not chainsaw man. Shame that is. Really wish he would have used some of that ability to write his self insert character denji who was an example of himself growing up his teenage years. You’re a fucking clown lmfao. |
thunderkitten13 said: Ludumm said: Reread chapter 27 and then chapter 70. See if you can spot the difference. Because apparently this isn’t development. I don’t think you understand the difference between character development and indifference. A character can’t be considered to change if all they are is nihilistic; a character that once believes in a purpose and then becomes nihilistic is considered to change but if a character has always not cared his character has never changed lol. “A character can’t be considered to change is all they are is nihilistic” Yo, what? So if your nihilistic, you can no longer change to be no longer nihilistic? Fucking big brain genius. Why didn’t I think of that? I’m so embarrassed now, golly gee. Side note, have you ever heard of the character named Scrooge? I’m sure this is completely irrelevant to your superior intellect, I was just thinking about him since holidays just passed. |
Fitzy709 said: Animillion said: Denji is one of the better characters in the series imo, though some CSM fans only care about simping for Makima, Power, or Reze. It’s a shame Fujimoto benched Denji in part 2 so Asa could be the mc. I was looking forward to reading part 2 but from what I’ve heard it’s not even close to part 1’s level, and it not featuring Denji is probably one of the reasons While i do agree that it is not as good as peak part 1 its still doing build up and the last chapter definitely shows signs of picking up pace part 1 was a slow start to i think its to earlier to tell the quality of this new section I haven’t read it yet as I’m waiting for the physical release, but Denji not being the mc is a downgrade for me (and it seems for many others too). When I read Chainsaw Man, I would want him as the mc. If Fujimoto wanted to have a new fmc, I think he should’ve just created a new series altogether. I can only hope the story shifts back to him |
RioFS said: Animillion said: Denji is one of the better characters in the series imo, though some CSM fans only care about simping for Makima, Power, or Reze. It’s a shame Fujimoto benched Denji in part 2 so Asa could be the mc. I was looking forward to reading part 2 but from what I’ve heard it’s not even close to part 1’s level, and it not featuring Denji is probably one of the reasons Part 2 had a better start than Part 1 though. As someone who thought part 1’s start wasn’t the best, I guess I might lean that way too once I read part 2. Still, that doesn’t take away from the fact that there’s a new mc, which I personally don’t like. |
Ludumm said: thunderkitten13 said: I don’t think you understand the difference between character development and indifference. A character can’t be considered to change if all they are is nihilistic; a character that once believes in a purpose and then becomes nihilistic is considered to change but if a character has always not cared his character has never changed lol. “A character can’t be considered to change is all they are is nihilistic” Yo, what? So if your nihilistic, you can no longer change to be no longer nihilistic? Fucking big brain genius. Why didn’t I think of that? I’m so embarrassed now, golly gee. Side note, have you ever heard of the character named Scrooge? I’m sure this is completely irrelevant to your superior intellect, I was just thinking about him since holidays just passed. Bruh…why are Chainsaw Man fans so bad at reading comprehension? I said if a character has ALWAYS not cared, then he has never changed. How can you claim it’s character development if HE NEVER CHANGED? Please think with your brain, the mind is a beautiful instrument, one you obviously are taking for granted. Denji is a shallow shonen protagonist. He is unbelievably powerful and has never changed his philosophy on anything even after what’s happened to him. He even admits that he doesn’t hate she who must not be named despite all of the horrible things she did to him. Does that sound like someone that has undergone any change? |
thunderkitten13 said: Ludumm said: “A character can’t be considered to change is all they are is nihilistic” Yo, what? So if your nihilistic, you can no longer change to be no longer nihilistic? Fucking big brain genius. Why didn’t I think of that? I’m so embarrassed now, golly gee. Side note, have you ever heard of the character named Scrooge? I’m sure this is completely irrelevant to your superior intellect, I was just thinking about him since holidays just passed. Bruh…why are Chainsaw Man fans so bad at reading comprehension? I said if a character has ALWAYS not cared, then he has never changed. How can you claim it’s character development if HE NEVER CHANGED? Please think with your brain, the mind is a beautiful instrument, one you obviously are taking for granted. Denji is a shallow shonen protagonist. He is unbelievably powerful and has never changed his philosophy on anything even after what’s happened to him. He even admits that he doesn’t hate she who must not be named despite all of the horrible things she did to him. Does that sound like someone that has undergone any change? This mfer gave csm a 4. He also gives 10’s to: High school of the dead Kakegurui Kakeguruixx Asterisk war Also redo of healer an 8 🤔 Man is a hot take machine. |
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