The weakest part of the series

lemonhys56 said:
Id say toradoras worst flaw is either Ami who I also dislike or the ending of the anime. This was my first romance anime and my 3rd or 4th anime and looking back the ending was so rushed.

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I will never understand why they ended toradora the way they did. I would have given the show an 8 or 8.5 but the ending was so rushed and felt weird. Taiga’s mother was randomly introduced at the end and then Taiga just left and doesn’t come back until the pcs and that pcs wasn’t as fulfilling as I wanted it to be. Not to mention that none of the side characters got any sort of ending

Aides64 said:
I see where you're coming from with Minori and Kitamura, but I think they're fine. They're not fleshed out because the story is being told from Ryuji and Taiga's perspectives, who don't see them for who they are. There's a reason for them being sidelined. As for Ami, she's my favorite side character. She has a great arc and is consistently important to the story as a voice of reason. I'd love to hear you clarify why you dislike her.

The_philosopher said:
For Ami here is the why

https://youtu.be/G3wPcrRbT3o

PleiadesTower said:
Ever since I watched this show, I've always been really annoyed at the side characters and especially Ami. The weakest part of this series are easily the side characters and their conduct.

Their actions, whatever meaning it has or for the sake of drama and tension, feel forced. Especially with Ami's. I don't understand just what the hell is her character supposed to represent and why she is acting the way she is during the last bits of the series and the reasons to even sympathize with her. (Rant.)

It doesn't mean that every action of theirs was unnecessary, and it still serves the story, though it damages my experience. (being subjective to make it apparent I am not speaking for the majority.)

Spoilers for the last bits of the series:



Kitamura and Minori suffer from not being fleshed out well, with Ami having next to none, making her the specific target of this thread.

The only thing I loved about this show was the two main casts, and their relationship progression. It is easily the strongest part of the series, but if you remove the side characters whether I like it or not, and since Kitamura and Minori were the instigators for their relationship, it wouldn't be Toradora otherwise.

If I talk anymore about Ami, this would be an entire 1000 word essay about how her character is the worst offender of this. Having free time is dangerous all right.

The_philosopher said:
For Ami here is the why

https://youtu.be/G3wPcrRbT3o

sirfechin said:
Taiga- she was crazy in the beginning but as the
show went on her backstory with her and her family was very relatable that people can relate to. She's the tsundere queen. Also has her Moments of vulnerability and her craziness side with makes a good balance. When she does have friends she will do the most to help them that will benefit them most and she's very loyal and direct.

Kitamura- character wise he's okay but his arc in the series has to be the worst out of everyone else in the show if you compare to the main characters. But I do love his character arc on how to actually know a person before falling in love with them. Wished we got more of that tho.

The second time I watched the show. My perspective on kitamura and Minori changed but not for the better is why I put them where they were. Especially the last final few episodes on Minori.

Ami is the most misunderstood character in the show. And I hated her the first time watching but the second time I actually relate to her the most out of everyone. Her flaws are also the most realistic. I like her bitterly honest flow of the show and if it wasn't for her, Ryuuji and Taiga wouldn't be as close in the
show if she wasn't there.

Yasuko to me is the most underrated character of all time.

PleiadesTower said:
Even If I understood her actions, which to some extent I do and can really respect some of her decisions, however that doesn't change my stance at all.

Pekyo said:

Exactly, this video is quite explanatory

The_philosopher said:
For Ami here is the why

https://youtu.be/G3wPcrRbT3o

sirfechin said:
Taiga- she was crazy in the beginning but as the
show went on her backstory with her and her family was very relatable that people can relate to. She's the tsundere queen. Also has her Moments of vulnerability and her craziness side with makes a good balance. When she does have friends she will do the most to help them that will benefit them most and she's very loyal and direct.

Kitamura- character wise he's okay but his arc in the series has to be the worst out of everyone else in the show if you compare to the main characters. But I do love his character arc on how to actually know a person before falling in love with them. Wished we got more of that tho.

The second time I watched the show. My perspective on kitamura and Minori changed but not for the better is why I put them where they were. Especially the last final few episodes on Minori.

Ami is the most misunderstood character in the show. And I hated her the first time watching but the second time I actually relate to her the most out of everyone. Her flaws are also the most realistic. I like her bitterly honest flow of the show and if it wasn't for her, Ryuuji and Taiga wouldn't be as close in the
show if she wasn't there.

Yasuko to me is the most underrated character of all time.

ateks said:
First of all: Ami is not a side character but a main character.

I don't really see what your complain here is, that the side characters are not developed enough? This is a 25 episode anime with at least 5 really well written characters. If that's not enough for you maybe you want to check out the light novels, it's a bit more detailed there but putting every detail into an anime this short is just impossible.

Ami is by far the most well-written character of this anime, you might not be old or experienced enough to see all the fine nuances and hints she is giving. I see why people dislike her because she's a bit of a bitch sometimes but saying she acts forced and is badly written is just bullshit.

RetroGressive said:

I don’t see how you don’t realize all these characters you’re describing have been seen before, some of the most common anime character development cliches.

Pekyo said:

Toradora came out in 2008 so I don’t think this characters were cliché at the time.
Especially for Ami and Ryuji

ateks said:
First of all: Ami is not a side character but a main character.

I don't really see what your complain here is, that the side characters are not developed enough? This is a 25 episode anime with at least 5 really well written characters. If that's not enough for you maybe you want to check out the light novels, it's a bit more detailed there but putting every detail into an anime this short is just impossible.

Ami is by far the most well-written character of this anime, you might not be old or experienced enough to see all the fine nuances and hints she is giving. I see why people dislike her because she's a bit of a bitch sometimes but saying she acts forced and is badly written is just bullshit.

Kirisakisan said:
I agree with you and your statement about supporting cast not being that fleshed but they acted more like catalysts. Aside from Ami saw some development but it wasnt that much.

OG_Otaku said:

I found Ami’s crush on Ryuji to be one of the most poignant bits of the plot. And in the light novels, Ami had a little more detail, and a little more time with just Ryuji and Ami. I think some of her “screen time” got cut by the editors.

PleiadesTower said:
Ever since I watched this show, I've always been really annoyed at the side characters and especially Ami. The weakest part of this series are easily the side characters and their conduct.

Their actions, whatever meaning it has or for the sake of drama and tension, feel forced. Especially with Ami's. I don't understand just what the hell is her character supposed to represent and why she is acting the way she is during the last bits of the series and the reasons to even sympathize with her. (Rant.)

It doesn't mean that every action of theirs was unnecessary, and it still serves the story, though it damages my experience. (being subjective to make it apparent I am not speaking for the majority.)

Spoilers for the last bits of the series:



Kitamura and Minori suffer from not being fleshed out well, with Ami having next to none, making her the specific target of this thread.

The only thing I loved about this show was the two main casts, and their relationship progression. It is easily the strongest part of the series, but if you remove the side characters whether I like it or not, and since Kitamura and Minori were the instigators for their relationship, it wouldn't be Toradora otherwise.

If I talk anymore about Ami, this would be an entire 1000 word essay about how her character is the worst offender of this. Having free time is dangerous all right.

Aides64 said:
I see where you're coming from with Minori and Kitamura, but I think they're fine. They're not fleshed out because the story is being told from Ryuji and Taiga's perspectives, who don't see them for who they are. There's a reason for them being sidelined. As for Ami, she's my favorite side character. She has a great arc and is consistently important to the story as a voice of reason. I'd love to hear you clarify why you dislike her.

Khushal_v said:
and on other side the worst flaw of toradora for me is taiga she is basically any other tsundere

RetroGressive said:
Taiga is the most cliche tsundere in existence

ktg said:
Ryuuji and Taiga interactions were repetitive. We always saw the same thing but in different settings. I mean tsundere acting like a tsundere.

Deknijff said:
Im not here to defend Taiga as a character, I think she very low tier compared to other Rie voiced characters from J.C

But Id like to just point out Taiga isn't actually a tsundere but just a violent person in general, when she was in love with Kitamura she never treated him coldly nor was she really trying to hide her love for him because she was ashamed to be in love with him

The way she treats Ryuuji is more so just a depiction of how she treats most people, which is why she is feared at school as the Palmtop Tiger

Igreja said:
When Ami was introduced, I knew exactly what type of character she is. She gets stalked, that gets resolved, and yet she remains the same as ever. I feel like she is there most of the time to cause conflict between the characters, such as the scuffle with Minori that happened during christmas, I believe. That scene may have been important for Minori's development, but I thought of it as unnecessary as she could've handled the situation a lot better by talking to her in private. If you removed her from the show, I doubt it would've changed, even a slightest bit.

I may be biased towards her characters because I think she is an eyesore, but I don't believe that she ever had good character development.

Deknijff said:
Im not here to defend Taiga as a character, I think she very low tier compared to other Rie voiced characters from J.C


But Id like to just point out Taiga isn't actually a tsundere but just a violent person in general, when she was in love with Kitamura she never treated him coldly nor was she really trying to hide her love for him because she was ashamed to be in love with him



The way she treats Ryuuji is more so just a depiction of how she treats most people, which is why she is feared at school as the Palmtop Tiger

ktg said:
She is a tsundere. Taiga is not just violent, but yes, that's part of it. When she is embarrassed or someone helping her out, there is no reason to act violently if she's not a tsundere, while Taiga does.

ktg said:
it provided a backstory for her, where it got explained why she is cold towards others.

ktg said:
And btw, tsundere is not just being cold, but could mean being rude or hostile.

Deknijff said:
Why do you say this but literally almost right after say this Yes exactly she acts like that because her childhood makes it hard for her to interact with other people now in her teens Yeah yeah of course but that wasn't the point, she is rude and hostile towards almost everyone. The problem is Taiga isn't acting like that towards Ryuuji for romantic reasons but just her natural usual self

She isn't a real tsundere like Hinagiku, Kirino or Minami who do act the way they do because they're in love with a specific person

You can't just look at the surface level details and say she a Tsundere. It would be like calling Seryuu and Takami Yanderes like Yuno and Renner

Just cause on a superficial level they derive great pleasure in hurting others or having no issues with killing

ktg said:
You seem to be mistaken. Tsundere can act harshly towards everyone. It's not like tsundere must acts friendly with everyone, but her loved one, because she acts coldly towards him. The difference between her love interest and others that her feelings are not cold towards the love interest. Like, for example, Misaki Ayuzawa who "interestingly" treat other males coldly too.
So no, your point is simply not true.

And I mentioned her backstory, because that's actually a proof why she is a tsundere. It's not a reason why she acts violently towards everyone, even towards the one that helping her. That's a separate character trait. Her backstory tells us why she can't show her feelings, so why she is tsundere.

Deknijff said:
I guess if you don’t see my point despite my examples I mentioned we aren’t going to see eye to eye on this subject

ktg said:
Because your argument is invalid. Even if you provide valid examples that doesn't prove your point. I'll give an example where the statement false, but the example is correct like in your case.

My example is, Opel Astra has 4 wheels. Everyone can check this example, you just need to google it.
But if my statement is the following: boats are the same as cars and the example is Opel Astra has 4 wheels.

In reality your examples has nothing to do with your statement, because you name different characters and different personalities. That's why your point is non-existent.

Deknijff said:
Sure sure man if you say so I guess