Would online media content be better if stuff like patreon, crowdfunding, and ad sponsors didn't exist?
| Ever since around 2016, online media content has gotten nearly unbearable with creators begging for as many donations they can possibly scrape up, via crowd funding and sponsored ad revenue. It has gotten insufferably annoying to see this on places like YT with content creators desperately seeking charity and inserting ad reads as much as possible. Could it be possible to have decent content without such scummy begging behavior? Or are content creators inherently fucked by the policies they are bound to? |
 ☆☆☆ "There's a huge difference between one and infinity. However, compared to the difference between existence and non-existence, one and infinite are nearly the same. I am the child destined to become the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!" -Maria Ushiromiya ☆☆☆ |
| No. While some creators are scummy, most have to face ridiculous algorithm decisions that make their revenue extremely unstable. Patreon and/or Crowdfunding are necessary if you want to earn a living through your internet content. |
| crowdfunding is what allows many creators to work on their passion full-time, which often improves the quality of their content a lot. And also the quantity. This is a good thing. I'm glad patreon exists. I can overlook a little self-advertisement if it means that we get more high-quality stuff. |
| *lampoons inwardly* |
jal90 said: No. While some creators are scummy, most have to face ridiculous algorithm decisions that make their revenue extremely unstable. Patreon and/or Crowdfunding are necessary if you want to earn a living through your internet content. Then the problems with the media platforms such as YT should address the core issues that caused content creators to start acting like this and fix them. Because the current status quo didn't used to be like this. |
| ☆☆☆ "There's a huge difference between one and infinity. However, compared to the difference between existence and non-existence, one and infinite are nearly the same. I am the child destined to become the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!" -Maria Ushiromiya ☆☆☆ |
Gween_Gween said: No, online creation wouldnt be better without income, how is this even a question? You aren't addressing the actual problem. You are too young to remember the time before YT creators had to do this. |
| ☆☆☆ "There's a huge difference between one and infinity. However, compared to the difference between existence and non-existence, one and infinite are nearly the same. I am the child destined to become the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!" -Maria Ushiromiya ☆☆☆ |
-Kokomi- said: Universal basic income would help solve this problem. =^.^= You are thinking on a higher dimension than the rest, since you propose an actual solution. You pass. |
| ☆☆☆ "There's a huge difference between one and infinity. However, compared to the difference between existence and non-existence, one and infinite are nearly the same. I am the child destined to become the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!" -Maria Ushiromiya ☆☆☆ |
EndlessMaria said: Gween_Gween said: No, online creation wouldnt be better without income, how is this even a question? You aren't addressing the actual problem. You are too young to remember the time before YT creators had to do this. I'm not though, I grew up with Youtube. Ad sponsors existed in the 2012 with Gamma Labs and Imaginecustoms sponsoring FaZe, game companies sponsoring gameplays, or whatever. Fantano selling me some dumb wallets aint going to detract my enjoyment from his videos, the issue would be the greed of some, but online creation is diverse enough to not even care about them |
Gween_Gween said: EndlessMaria said: You aren't addressing the actual problem. You are too young to remember the time before YT creators had to do this. I'm not though, I grew up with Youtube. Ad sponsors existed in the 2012 with Gamma Labs and Imaginecustoms sponsoring FaZe, game companies sponsoring gameplays, or whatever. Fantano selling me some dumb wallets aint going to detract my enjoyment from his videos, the issue would be the greed of some, but online creation is diverse enough to not even care about them That Faze stuff must have been the online space that started this trend. I have never watched their content, but from what I read about them, they are typical greedy capitalists. There are always those insincere shills that just want to peddle products, like those crazy evangelicals that used to pollute public access TV. But this certainly wasn't the norm that I was seeing on YT during that time. i realize that I am falling back on anecdotes here, but I didn't see any normalized shilling until around 2016 when the YT "adpocalypses" occurred. |
| ☆☆☆ "There's a huge difference between one and infinity. However, compared to the difference between existence and non-existence, one and infinite are nearly the same. I am the child destined to become the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!" -Maria Ushiromiya ☆☆☆ |
EndlessMaria said: jal90 said: No. While some creators are scummy, most have to face ridiculous algorithm decisions that make their revenue extremely unstable. Patreon and/or Crowdfunding are necessary if you want to earn a living through your internet content. Then the problems with the media platforms such as YT should address the core issues that caused content creators to start acting like this and fix them. Because the current status quo didn't used to be like this. There have been a lot of attempts and initiatives to try to make the YT conditions better, but they always hit the roadblock of, well, YT not actually wanting to improve in this aspect. A lot of creators move to other platforms but that is not a solution if those platforms are even less reliable than YT or are not remotely as big. And honestly your criticism against Patreon and Crowdfunding seems to be about the few people that try to take advantage of their fans, or at most about the personal inconvenience of having to watch an ad from time to time. That's honestly kind of petty. |
EndlessMaria said: Gween_Gween said: I'm not though, I grew up with Youtube. Ad sponsors existed in the 2012 with Gamma Labs and Imaginecustoms sponsoring FaZe, game companies sponsoring gameplays, or whatever. Fantano selling me some dumb wallets aint going to detract my enjoyment from his videos, the issue would be the greed of some, but online creation is diverse enough to not even care about them That Faze stuff must have been the online space that started this trend. I have never watched their content, but from what I read about them, they are typical greedy capitalists. There are always those insincere shills that just want to peddle products, like those crazy evangelicals that used to pollute public access TV. But this certainly wasn't the norm that I was seeing on YT during that time. i realize that I am falling back on anecdotes here, but I didn't see any normalized shilling until around 2016 when the YT "adpocalypses" occurred. I feel like not relying on ad revenue from a third party and instead developing a platform with the community is a better option than being at mercy of trends and having to diversify your content to cater to all audiences. As an example, Dead End Hip Hop have their patreon since the 2015 way before the adpocalypse, because their content is not nearly as popular to be sustainable through ads. I watched an interview of Willyrex where he said that the dollar per view through Machinima was absolutely degenerate compared to now, so creators through that contract could be comfortable, but that is not the case anymore for them. Creators outside of the US dont earn nearly as much as the US ones while obtaining way more views, it would be stupid to not use their leverage |
| I think you’re just watching the wrong content creators. |
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| Absolutely not. Like, come on guys, thanks for watching and all, but I only have 500k subs, which means that I'm only making about 70,000$ a month, so here's a 2-minute NordVPN ad on top of this video itself being monetized. Don't forget to use my promocode at the checkout. As always, smash that like button, subscribe, and turn the notifications on. Also, you can now follow me on Patreon to help me make content by contributing 10 dollars or more per video. Buy my merch at my website. (Links below.) You can now find me on Twitch, Instagram, and OnlyFans as well. And now, please watch at the black screen for 3 more minutes since I need to somehow make this video 10 minutes long. |
149597871 said: Absolutely not. Like, come on guys, thanks for watching and all, but I only have 500k subs, which means that I'm only making about 70,000$ a month, so here's a 2-minute NordVPN ad on top of this video itself being monetized. Don't forget to use my promocode at the checkout. As always, smash that like button, subscribe, and turn the notifications on. Also, you can now follow me on Patreon to help me make content by contributing 10 dollars or more per video. Buy my merch at my website. (Links below.) You can now find me on Twitch, Instagram, and OnlyFans as well. And now, please watch at the black screen for 3 more minutes since I need to somehow make this video 10 minutes long. This is the absolute poison that pollutes our entertainment. as long as these practices are considered the norm, we are living out a dystopian scifi novel. |
| ☆☆☆ "There's a huge difference between one and infinity. However, compared to the difference between existence and non-existence, one and infinite are nearly the same. I am the child destined to become the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!" -Maria Ushiromiya ☆☆☆ |
| Way to go getting pissed at people for doing their job. smh I mean, ofc there're some people who put more ads in a video than actual content but well that's just a shitty content creator and you can always find a better one. |
| #1 I'm more likely to become a patron of creators that aren't extremely popular. Maybe it's wrong to think this way, but I do feel like my money is going further, I want to give them a boost because I like their content, and they could use it more. #2 It's all in the approach. Some people are super overbearing and over-the-top with putting it out there, like they're trying really hard to sell you a product and not just being cool about it. That turns me off. |
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mwinner said: 149597871 said: Absolutely not. Like, come on guys, thanks for watching and all, but I only have 500k subs, which means that I'm only making about 70,000$ a month, so here's a 2-minute NordVPN ad on top of this video itself being monetized. Don't forget to use my promocode at the checkout. As always, smash that like button, subscribe, and turn the notifications on. Also, you can now follow me on Patreon to help me make content by contributing 10 dollars or more per video. Buy my merch at my website. (Links below.) You can now find me on Twitch, Instagram, and OnlyFans as well. And now, please watch at the black screen for 3 more minutes since I need to somehow make this video 10 minutes long. Ok, I followed you on all of your platforms, liked and subscribed, donated my life savings on your Twitch stream, and bought all of your merch. Can you notice me now ?????? mwinner Wow! Thanks for the thousand-dollar donation. I really appreciate it! Of course I am going to notice you! In fact, you have earned the honor of becoming one of my twitch chat mods <3 Now, what was I talking about... |
| A lot of my favorite creators wouldn't have the time, money, or resources to keep creating content of the same quality or quantity if they couldn't earn an income from that content. So no, I don't think it would be better. I also don't see a problem with people earning money from their own work and efforts, and if I have to hear about a sponsorship for 2 minutes, or a quick request for Patreaon support, it seems like a pretty small price to pay in exchange for endless free content. If a creator comes across as obnoxious or devotes a huge amount of time to it in each video, then I can easily just stop watching them. |
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