| As a JRPG fan, I always annoyed that some Western gamers claiming JRPG is dying and already dead. I also annoyed when they claimed Fallout 3 is the best RPG game ever made even it is a shooting game with few RPG elements. I may biased on this situation but I just annoyed when most of JRPG haters never play good JRPGs that aren't Final Fantasy or Squaresoft(later Square-Enix) productions to that matter, like Suikoden(Konami) and Shin Megami Tensei(Atlus) series. If they think JRPG sucks, then blame Tetsuya Nomura. Not JRPGs, not Final Fantasy and not Square-Enix. I may little bit one-sided here but I also hate to see when people hate WRPGs, they were labeled as trolls while people who hated JRPGs aren't. |
| The thing is. JRPG games don't really appeal to Western gamers. At least not most of them. It def not dead though. There just aren't as many good releases :/. |
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| If I wanted to play a game that almost only consists of cutscenes, I'd go watch television instead. :P I like Atelier Iris though, it doesn't take itself so seriously. |
| I wouldn't say JRPGs are dying... It's just that, it's quite slow for us in the West to understand it's intricate storyline and gameplay. I love JRPGs myself and I agree with your opinion that the "supposedly" best RPG out there is some shooter game. I wouldn't even call it an RPG considering the amount of time is basically shoot shoot shoot. |
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| I don't think RPGs are dying in general, but I do think they're dying in the West. It kind of ticks me off that half the so-called "RPGs" are really shooters with RPG elements. Also, what I always considered an RPG is now referred to as a JRPG and what I always considered a shooter is now considered an "RPG", like that's the standard. So yeah, there's definitely some bitterness for me. |
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Akito38 said: JRPG's have died down somewhat. I used to be an avid FF geek. But it started to go down around ff7. I am not saying all the games were bad but they started to become too much about flash and flare instead of any substance. Awful characters like In FFX didn't help either. thank fully there are more SMT games now and that pleases me. Games like Lost Odyssey and Nostalgia help too. sadly tri-ace has also gone down hill. Star ocean 4 was pretty awful (in everything other than combat and graphics) and infinite undiscovery was the same. the good news is normally it takes awhile to get a decent amount of JRPG's on newer systems. As time continues on it will be cheaper to develop games for 360 and ps3. so more companies will be willing to take a chance on putting JRPG's on them. I would like see some more stuff from the xenogears/xenosaga universe. and the Tales series is still just as good as it was back in the psone days. I used to love JRPG's the most but my focus has shifted more toward western RPG's. although its mostly PC ones. I think part of the problem is the decline in the japanese gaming industry as a whole. Its a shame but popularity moves in phases. I think Square Enix in general is going downhill. FFXIII just makes me roll my eyes and I hate the whole FFXIV online thing. Lucky for me, I'm not really big into any of SE's franchises. I really can't get into WRPGs. The character development is so...non-existent. |
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| JRPGs aren't dying they just aren't progressing, very rarely do JRGs feature any real innovation they stick to old played out formulas that just don't work anymore. JPGs are horribly niche right now, they are just about as niche as simulation games now. Only do the big names sell anymore, whens the last time a virtually unknown JRPG done very good? WRPGs are doing a hell of alot better then JRPGs ever did. and Fallout is alot more RPG then it is shooter. And since when does having shooting in a game disqualify it from being an RPG? |
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
| It didn't die, just went back to the niche status it had pre-FF7 I believe. At least at console level. Most JRPGs are being released by niche companies now or trying to get modern and failing or incorporating MMO elements. On portable JRPGs seem plenty enough. |
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Flibbertigibbet said: I'm getting sick of this innovation craze going on in the west lately. Games don't have to be innovative for me as long as they're fun. I've been in the mood for a traditional JRPG lately, but it's impossible to find one, because everyone's obsessed with innovating and diluting the gameplay. This. I just find it hilarious that people will actually look at Wii games and actually call them serious games. |
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Flibbertigibbet said: I'm getting sick of this innovation craze going on in the west lately. Games don't have to be innovative for me as long as they're fun. I've been in the mood for a traditional JRPG lately, but it's impossible to find one, because everyone's obsessed with innovating and diluting the gameplay. You must not own a DS, cause I can find you a room full of them. Frankly I rather take innovation over mediocrity, Innovation might fail alot but the one game that does raise the bar, makes it all worth it. The main problem with JRPGs is it's fans, they wanna sallow then same crap they been spoon fed for the last 15 years, and when ever some thing tries to do some thing new, they flip the fuck out. JRPGs are getting imported less and less, cause it's just not worth it anymore. Innovation keeps things alive. Mediocrity only stagnates, Just look at the MMO industry, that is an industry that is being destroyed by mediocrity. |
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Aeiou said: I just find it hilarious that people will actually look at Wii games and actually call them serious games. Care to go more into detail on this statement? Because as of right now, that statement makes you sound completely ignorant. |
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| Recently WRPG's have made a move away from being only available to PC gamers and, largely thanks to Bioware, have become more easily available to console gamers. This has helped increase their popularity. JRPG's have done the opposite in a way. Many Japanese developers are choosing to develop RPG's for handheld consoles. Suikoden, Kingdom Hearts, Valkyrie Profile and Dragon Quest were all previously only on consoles but the most recent entry from each series has been released on a handheld console. While this does not generate as much sales, it is a far cheaper and safer way to develop games then on console and so from a business point of view it makes sense, particularly with the economy. Many JRPG fans care a lot less about graphics and so are happy to play handheld console RPG’s then most western gamers are. The problem is many people ignore handheld RPG’s and don’t seem to take them into consideration when saying JRPG’s are dead. They’re not, many games are still selling well there just hasn’t been as many blockbuster titles this generation. Sure western RPG’s are doing better in the west then Japanese games are but they are aimed at the west so that is understandable. Jigero said: JRPGs aren't dying they just aren't progressing, very rarely do JRGs feature any real innovation they stick to old played out formulas that just don't work anymore. JPGs are horribly niche right now, they are just about as niche as simulation games now. Only do the big names sell anymore, whens the last time a virtually unknown JRPG done very good? WRPGs are doing a hell of alot better then JRPGs ever did. WRPG's stick to the same formulas as much as JRPG's, if not more. It has always only been the big names that sell well, regardless of genre. To answer your question, Valkyria Chronicles exceeded sales expectations in the west, selling out in many online retailers, and Demons Souls has been selling very well. Sure they are not completely unknown, Sega and Atlus are huge game developers but both games were still new IP's and not would not have been well known outside of JRPG fans. When was the last time a virtually unknown WRPG sold very well anyways? Fallout 3, Mass Effect and Fable 2 are by no means unknown. Oh and WRPG's aren't even close to the bigger JRPG's in terms of sales. Every main Final Fantasy series since VII have sold way, way more than any WRPG has globally, and so have Kingdom Hearts and Dragon Quest. Even now WRPG's are only doing better in the west, they don't sell at all in Japan, and they are not doing that much better. |
Jigero said: This. I keep seeing far too much generic titles with little or no innovation. The battle systems are usually the same old with some few twists thrown in and the stories are repetitive and relies far too heavily on old tropes and cliches, which is terrible for a genre that mainly focus on the story.JRPGs aren't dying they just aren't progressing, very rarely do JRGs feature any real innovation they stick to old played out formulas that just don't work anymore. Obviously, that's still a generalization of course, and there are some good examples of interesting new JRPGS, but in overall, I feel the WRPGs have definitely been superior lately, all owing to the fact that many of these actually try to be true role playing games, giving the players the means to affect the story, rather than the standard JRPG on-rails stories. Satiety said: That is, if they have any intricate stories and gameplay at all... Intricacy quickly begets simplicity once you've run through the same tropes and plot devices a dozen times and realize people are merely repeating the same formulas over and again.I wouldn't say JRPGs are dying... It's just that, it's quite slow for us in the West to understand it's intricate storyline and gameplay. Also, someone seem to be confused here. Just because a game has FPS elements does not make it less of an RPG. Fallout 3 is an RPG by all standards. It has party members, loads of equipment and items, character creation with lots of skills and perks, and a lot of quests that can be solved in different ways. In fact, as far as role playing is concerned, it is much closer to being a true RPG than any FF game, all due to the fact that you are actually able to influence the story and decide how to do things rather than simply follow wherever the tracks lead you. Being one who have always been facepalming whenever I see futuristic RPGs like Star Ocean where people use archaic swords and bows, I actually love how WRPGS like Mass Effect and Fallout 3 include more FPS based gameplay. Honestly, if the setting is a futuristic one, then please explain to me why I see a bunch of nuts with spears and swords beside a guy with a machine gun arm. |
xTEHWAFFLESx said: feder said: I don't see the problem here. Ever since Game Boy, Nintendo's reputation has severely degraded to the point where I don't expect anything of them. Since far before the Wii released I knew it was going to be a failure as a console. The only reason it was kept alive is because of Nintendo's marketing tricks. Make a family console and re-release popular shooter/non family games. It worked.Aeiou said: I just find it hilarious that people will actually look at Wii games and actually call them serious games. Care to go more into detail on this statement? Because as of right now, that statement makes you sound completely ignorant. Well, that sucks for you then. Too bad I feel the same exact way about the PS3 and 360. I'm not going to try and pretend that the Wii doesn't have shovelware, but at the very least it has games I actually like, in contrast to the PS3 and 360, which I guess I should consider crappy systems because they have nothing I like on them and aren't aiming toward my general tastes. If the Wii were that much of a failure, it would lose all support and we wouldn't get games like No More Heroes and Mad World, which obviously do not fit in with the "family friendly" trait that Nintendo possesses. So yes, while it DOES have that attribute, that doesn't mean that's all that is available for the system. Also, just because you don't like a system or its games doesn't mean it's crap. Sorry Nintendo doesn't cater to you, but why should they want to cater to you after a statement like that? Nintendo's a business like any other, and they'll go where they're respected. If you do nothing but continue to bash them they'll move onto a different audience and make money elsewhere. |
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XxdoobxX said: I may little bit one-sided here but I also hate to see when people hate WRPGs, they were labeled as trolls while people who hated JRPGs aren't. You're talking about /v/ here, aren't you? lol anti-weeabo trends on a weeaboo website. |
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XxdoobxX said: As a JRPG fan, I always annoyed that some Western gamers claiming JRPG is dying and already dead. I also annoyed when they claimed Fallout 3 is the best RPG game ever made even it is a shooting game with few RPG elements. I may biased on this situation but I just annoyed when most of JRPG haters never play good JRPGs that aren't Final Fantasy or Squaresoft(later Square-Enix) productions to that matter, like Suikoden(Konami) and Shin Megami Tensei(Atlus) series. If they think JRPG sucks, then blame Tetsuya Nomura. Not JRPGs, not Final Fantasy and not Square-Enix. I may little bit one-sided here but I also hate to see when people hate WRPGs, they were labeled as trolls while people who hated JRPGs aren't. I wouldn't say it is dead, just like other people said, in the western world they dont do it for people. But japan has like a bazillion games that never get released outside their little island, lots of them being rpgs, so there are plenty of them out there, its just a matter of if you can understand japanese well enough. and as for fallout 3, it is very much an RPG. just because it uses guns doesn't make it "not really an rpg". just think of it has being a real time battle system with firearms instead of traditional melee weapons. Like Baman said its more RPG than many games out there. Baman said: Being one who have always been facepalming whenever I see futuristic RPGs like Star Ocean where people use archaic swords and bows, I actually love how WRPGS like Mass Effect and Fallout 3 include more FPS based gameplay. Honestly, if the setting is a futuristic one, then please explain to me why I see a bunch of nuts with spears and swords beside a guy with a machine gun arm. those archaic weapons give the game more of a fantasy feel to them, along with the magic that you can usually somehow combine with said weapons. it just wouldn't have the same feeling if everyone was running around PEW PEW PEWing everywhere. and it just makes them that much more of a badass if they can save the universe with a weapon invented sometime around 3300 BC. |
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kawaiimisato said: Fantasy feel is alright in a fantasy setting, but if they are going to include firearms above the level of muskets and handcannons, they should at least explain why some people still use blades. Star Wars has it's Jedi with their superior senses and reflexes, so that's justifiable at least. But if they're going to have a sci-fantasy setting, it just seems silly when they mix ancient and useless weapons with modern firearms without explaining why.those archaic weapons give the game more of a fantasy feel to them, along with the magic that you can usually somehow combine with said weapons. it just wouldn't have the same feeling if everyone was running around PEW PEW PEWing everywhere. and it just makes them that much more of a badass if they can save the universe with a weapon invented sometime around 3300 BC. |
| I don't think they are dying, many good JRPGs are coming (or are already on) the three major consoles. But yeah, in the west JRPGs and RPGs aren't as popular as they are in Japan. However, if you look at the PSP and DS line up alone, you will see many of this genre on there. So I don't think that hardcore fans of this style of gaming should worry. Though even if RPGs were to completely die one day (never will happen), it wouldn't be that big of a deal to me personally, since RPGs are only one of the many genres I play. Not to mention, that's what importing is for. If you don't mind kanji that is. |
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| Personally, I believe that it has an issue to do with Western culture. Since the United States always look high to the idea of war heroes sort of thing, it is only natural that Western gamers tend to love FPS games over anything else with the exception of sports but part of the reason is that most of those games are in the major discount section. Nonetheless, Western gamers do like RPGs like Fable II, Fallout 3, and the Elder Scroll series. Rather than saying that RPG isn't popular, it depends on which country you are talking about. Perhaps, the situation in Europe is different than that of North America or Australia. In Japan, on the other hand.. RPGs and visual novels are very popular but some people do play FPS games, as well as Western-styled RPGs. On the contrary, I guess Biohazard (Resident Evil) and MGS (Metal Gear Solid) cannot be considered as Western games, even though they are FPS. |
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Fabzor said: The thing is. JRPG games don't really appeal to Western gamers. At least not most of them. It def not dead though. There just aren't as many good releases :/. Indeed. No good releases, AT ALL. And the imported games are almost impossible to play if you don't know some written Japanese. |
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| Another problem: people don't buy games without good marketing behind them. See Valkyria Chronicles and Demon's Souls. Both excellent games with somewhat underwhelming sales figures (Demon's Souls sold better than expect, almost sold out, but figures are less than half million worldwide). I believe Lost Odyssey sold way better than those two in the US. It was basically marketed as the spiritual successor of old school FF. Other innovative good games that didn't sell crap are Madworld and Zaki & Wiki both on Wii. They are not JRPG, but they are good example of excellent games that didn't sell out. |
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| How does guns make it not a role-playing game anymore? Fallout 3--a game in which you play the role of a person traversing the Wasteland, armed with a gun. A role you can take in many directions. Sounds like a role-playing game to me, where you occasionally shoot people in the face instead of chopping them in two. VATS even gives it a turn-based feel at times. We need more futuristic ones. JRPGs aren't dying, but holding to status quo perhaps. Whether that is good or bad is up to the player. After you play so many, it's certainly easier to be mediocre. And yeah, swords in futuristic games with no explanation make me facepalm too. :/ Arcanum mixed this decently, as did Star Wars and its Jedi. |
iroquois_pliskin said: Recently WRPG's have made a move away from being only available to PC gamers and, largely thanks to Bioware, have become more easily available to console gamers. This has helped increase their popularity. JRPG's have done the opposite in a way. Many Japanese developers are choosing to develop RPG's for handheld consoles. Suikoden, Kingdom Hearts, Valkyrie Profile and Dragon Quest were all previously only on consoles but the most recent entry from each series has been released on a handheld console. While this does not generate as much sales, it is a far cheaper and safer way to develop games then on console and so from a business point of view it makes sense, particularly with the economy. Many JRPG fans care a lot less about graphics and so are happy to play handheld console RPG’s then most western gamers are. The problem is many people ignore handheld RPG’s and don’t seem to take them into consideration when saying JRPG’s are dead. They’re not, many games are still selling well there just hasn’t been as many blockbuster titles this generation. Sure western RPG’s are doing better in the west then Japanese games are but they are aimed at the west so that is understandable. Jigero said: JRPGs aren't dying they just aren't progressing, very rarely do JRGs feature any real innovation they stick to old played out formulas that just don't work anymore. JPGs are horribly niche right now, they are just about as niche as simulation games now. Only do the big names sell anymore, whens the last time a virtually unknown JRPG done very good? WRPGs are doing a hell of alot better then JRPGs ever did. WRPG's stick to the same formulas as much as JRPG's, if not more. It has always only been the big names that sell well, regardless of genre. To answer your question, Valkyria Chronicles exceeded sales expectations in the west, selling out in many online retailers, and Demons Souls has been selling very well. Sure they are not completely unknown, Sega and Atlus are huge game developers but both games were still new IP's and not would not have been well known outside of JRPG fans. When was the last time a virtually unknown WRPG sold very well anyways? Fallout 3, Mass Effect and Fable 2 are by no means unknown. Oh and WRPG's aren't even close to the bigger JRPG's in terms of sales. Every main Final Fantasy series since VII have sold way, way more than any WRPG has globally, and so have Kingdom Hearts and Dragon Quest. Even now WRPG's are only doing better in the west, they don't sell at all in Japan, and they are not doing that much better. Square-Enix is a powerhouse, but for every rpg square-enix that does good in western markets, their are tons that don't. And they only bring over what appeals to the western gamer. Same with Sega and Atlus. And we are talking about America, not what does well in Japan, what does well in japan doesn't mean shit here. They are are 2 vastly different markets. And your argument is pretty null, Mass effect and fable are only 2 to 3 years old as IPs and their companies have been around alot less then the popular Japanese developers. The only JRPGs that do well are the ones that have been around forever, and don't even count Kingdom hearts, that's just nonsense, If that game had not had popular final fantasy characters and western characters it would have never even seen the sales it did. It was a gimmick and still is and Demon souls can hardly be counted, they came right out and said the barrow alot of western ideals. |
JigeroNov 8, 2009 1:53 PM
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
| People in the West like to do that whole Galactic Martial Artist theme too sometimes. See: Star Wars. It's just universal, swords and other old weapons will never die. People Romanticize their use too much. |
ukonkiviNov 9, 2009 1:48 AM
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| Now, if someone wants to have awesome close combat duels with firearms, why don't they do like in Equilibrium? I would love to see a game like that. |
Jigero said: Square-Enix is a powerhouse, but for every rpg square-enix that does good in western markets, their are tons that don't. And they only bring over what appeals to the western gamer. Same with Sega and Atlus. And we are talking about America, not what does well in Japan, what does well in japan doesn't mean shit here. They are are 2 vastly different markets. And your argument is pretty null, Mass effect and fable are only 2 to 3 years old as IPs and their companies have been around alot less then the popular Japanese developers. Sure not every JRPG is going to sell like Square Enix’s larger titles but that alone doesn’t mean that JRPG’s are dying and that isn’t exclusive to JRPG’s, not every WRPG will sell well. And why are we only talking about America, the whole gaming industry doesn’t revolve around America and, over time, more and more Japanese games are being released in the west so there is not a risk that companies won’t bring games over anymore. Before Final Fantasy II, III and V weren’t originally released in the west, nor were the earlier SMT games. Also Mass Effect and Fable were both big budget games that had large amounts of marketing and were produced by Bioware and Microsoft. They weren’t at all unknown; in fact both were pin-up games for the consoles and each had a huge amount of hype surrounding them before they were released. Jigero said: The only JRPGs that do well are the ones that have been around forever, and don't even count Kingdom hearts, that's just nonsense, If that game had not had popular final fantasy characters and western characters it would have never even seen the sales it did. It was a gimmick and still is and Demon souls can hardly be counted, they came right out and said the barrow alot of western ideals. You realise that Kingdom Hearts sold 3.5 million copies in the US, that’s more than any other RPG in the US outside of the Final Fantasy series and Diablos 2. So what if it uses pre-established franchises, that is something very common in the west. Think about how many Star Wars, Lord of the Rings or Dungeons and Dragons games have been released over the years. Does that mean we shouldn’t take KOTOR and Baldurs Gate into consideration as the reason they were built around already existing Lore/Universes was most defiantly to increase sales and appeal to the already existing fans. Kingdom Hearts was one of the most unique RPG’s ever made and the mix between the action game elements and RPG elements, as well as the use of Disney worlds, was done perfectly. I haven’t played another RPG with a similar setting, concept, or such a strong feeling of melancholy, nostalgia and adventure as Kingdom Hearts. Oh wait a second, sorry, you don’t like the game. You’re right we should just ignore it then. Also, why does Demon Souls borrowing western ideals change anything at all? Many JRPG’s borrow some western ideals, particularly using western mythology. They are still Japanese and there is nothing wrong with Japanese game developers using western ideals. |
Fabzor said: The thing is. JRPG games don't really appeal to Western gamers. At least not most of them. It def not dead though. There just aren't as many good releases :/. This kind of fits the bill. For example games such as Tales of the Abyss being very well recieved in Japan don't get nearly as much reception here. However other JRPGS such as the Shin Megami Tensei series are some that have a rep for doing very well. |
| jRPG is dying fast. That's why Dragon Quest IX sold so bad in japan. Yes this was sarcasm. |
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| Personally I think JRPGs are doing great. They just need to come up with some new more inovative ideas. |
| What I have learned from this thread: Japan has good taste in Japan. The West(a place/culture which doesn't exist): Used to have good taste in games. |
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| Forgive me if I took too long to respond but I take lots of time reading every single replies. I agree with you all, even I don't like some of them. For some WRPGs, I just don't like few stuffs. First the character creation. While everybody else think its cool but I think its a biggest mistake. People will spend too much time decorating his or her character rather than make any progression. Create-a-character feature works better in some fighting games like Def Jam: Fight For NY, Tekken 6 and Fight Night series than any RPGs. Second, the FPS. Its pretty obvious for JRPGamer like me don't like FPS gameplay, just like most Western gamers on JRPGs. For recent years I saw most Western gamers are obsessed with some FPS games like Halo series and Call of Duty. Just look like how the raved Modern Warfare 2. No offense to any fans in this forum but I think putting FPS into RPG just don't work. The only WRPGs I like are Diablo series and Titan Quest. I don't think JRPGs are dying or dead. Western gamers just don't like them because they just too busy with shooting games. |
| We will start with a normal RPG. Now lets say its completely generic. Now lets say its a complete stereotype. If you add cuter/younger looking characters, its instantly a JRPG. If you add gritty stuff to it, its a WRPG. If you add oversized weapons its a JRPG If you add oversized people/armour its a WRPG If its all swords and magic, its JRPG If its all pew pew boom, its WRPG The only way that there will be less complaints (always will be some), is if these two things merged completely, and flawlessly For that, its probably going to have to be based on an anime, that seems gritty. I suggest a black lagoon based rpg. -Can play FPS as Revy -Can play as the boat for the arbitrary vehicle/ transport part -Can kill multiple things in a fast time -Can freeroam around the city -Can buy stuff with your limited funding Seriously, thing about it. There will always be plenty of things to shoot, pleasing the WRPG fans, and there will be an actual storyline, pleasing the JRPG fans. And I suppose you could always add in a blank robot character for them to customize... maybe just give clothing options for rock? |
| JRPGs needs better, more engaging gameplay, period. Otherwise you mind as well watch an anime, movie, etc. |
| I'm pretty much fine with the way JRPGs are now. We got some of the traditional ones like Dragon Quest, and then we have the innovative and creative ones like Knights in the Nightmare. |
agentxero said: JRPGs needs better, more engaging gameplay, period. Otherwise you mind as well watch an anime, movie, etc. I've always liked the story driven aspect of games like FF, Chrono Trigger, Blue Dragon, etc. If I wanted an action game, I'd play on. |
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| The one thing I had about JRPGs was that I never really agreed with labeling them as Role Playing Games. While I definitely get attached to the characters in JRPGs, I never really shake the feeling that I'm an outsider, simply observing Chrono, Ness, Squall, or whoever as their story unfolds. The idea of it being "their" story as opposed to mine is probably the key to my issue with calling it role playing. While I can modify their stats and equipment, ultimately the conclusion will be the same, and something I have little control over. The upshot of this though, is that as long as the story and characters remain engaging, I'm a little more willing to forgive a lack of innovation in gameplay, to a point. |
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| I would say dead in the US markets. I don't know about elsewhere. |
| My Nuts Jumble. |
Flibbertigibbet said: I'm getting sick of this innovation craze going on in the west lately. Games don't have to be innovative for me as long as they're fun. I've been in the mood for a traditional JRPG lately, but it's impossible to find one, because everyone's obsessed with innovating and diluting the gameplay. Yes i agree with you. Generally i believe that JRPG is not dead. It just all depends on what ppl prefer more. And its difficult to find many. Im waiting for next year where games like FFXIII and White Knight Chronicles come. But thats not to say i primarily like JRPG. I also cant wait for GoW3. Traditional JRPs are what im looking for D=. And just because JRPGs are not as popular in the west, it oesnt mean they are dead ^^ |
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| I think it's also because people are looking at the wrong JRPGs. Just like WRPGs, there are ones that don't change at all or bring innovation. But again, just like WRPGs, there are ones that do innovate and bring in original ideas. The problem is that those are very obscure and most of the time unknown to the public, hence the reason people look at JRPGs as they do. |
| I've been pretty disappointed with the lackluster RPGs we seem to be getting lately. I got a 360 to play Tales of Vesperia and wound up also playing Eternal Sonata and Star Ocean 4 on it. While I enjoyed all three games, I couldn't help but notice the quality was lacking. All three games felt rushed and seemed to fall apart at the end. Granted, I know the situation behind that, but it didn't make it any less impressive. So JRPGs, at least on the 360, are looking a little weak at the moment to me. I'm hoping Wii's Tales of Graces and Arc Rise Fantasia make up for it, and that if we do get any future RPGs on the 360 they'll be better made. (and please don't mention FF13. I have no interest in that game or FF in general ^^). |
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| I agree that they're not dead, but they have become a little stale. But then again I find that with a lot of games these days. I've had a difficult time finding a game that engages me, honestly the last game to get me interested and busy has been Wild Arms 3, a game that came out at least 4-5 years ago. :/ |
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| I'd say they're more of in a lull than dead. But there are still some really good titles being released. Some old games are getting some impressive remakes, and there are some upcoming titles that seem like they're gonna be really awesome(Fragile and Crystal Bearers are the two I really wanna play right now). I'm also looking forward to the changes to P3 in Persona 3 PSP. |
EioneDec 9, 2009 1:25 PM
| They're not dead but lacking in quality. For a genre that was praised for its stories, I don't see much to praise this gen. Only stories I liked were Lost Odyssey and Valkyria Chronicles on consoles. |
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