Attack on Titan
| Since the ending disappointed me i've been thinking about some BS i didn't like earlier that could have already predicted the ending we got. I will only post S3P2 content on this forum. The last 10 chapters introduce a lot of asspulls and plot holes and inconsistencies but i won't go into them as they're manga spoilers. 1-armin surviving colossal titan heat and being burned to ashes aswell as falling 50 meters. STILL survives for half an hour even to get the syringe. Compare him to Erwin who died faster despite lower relative damage. 2-Reiner consciousness relocation asspull. Only talked about in the same episode and he did it again a few chapters/episodes later to evade death. never talked before or mentioned again Reiner's plot armor and asspulls is so massive throughout the series. These two are probably the biggest asspulls ever pre-ending and they happen within a short span. 3.Levi surviving the explosion somehow. thunder spears are the same weapons capable of annihilating the armoured titan's nape. also still fights afterwards despite being out the entirety of season 2 for a freaking sprained ankle. It was like a cartoon so much that someone made a meme about it.  4.Gabi entire character is based on asspulls. from her carrying that massive gun at 10 years old or so to sniping eren's head perfectly who perfectly lands on Zeke hand of course. and is unharmed when eren transforms into the founding titan just 20 meters from her. This is off my mind. I probably forget quite some as its been years since i watched previous seasons. Not asspulls but really shitty Armor serum being just near eren is so convenient.why not just write eren titan as being able to create armor instead of this? The yeageriest troops despite being soldiers they're incompetent and did zero kills or damage by themselves. All the damge was to titan shifters who conveniently can regenerate anyway. Isn't AOT supposed to do the opposite? Look at the pieck scene. they fired like 100 thunder spears and she's just dodging them. plot armor is strong for the good guys. |
DissapointmentAApr 1, 2022 12:13 PM
| ok but you could've just made one thread here but you had to make 3 for more attention lmao |
| why did u have to make three threads for something people most likely arent gonna read all the way through |
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DissapointmentA said: Since the ending disappointed me i've been thinking about some BS i didn't like earlier that could have already predicted the ending we got. I will only post S3P2 content on this forum. The last 10 chapters introduce a lot of asspulls and plot holes and inconsistencies but i won't go into them as they're manga spoilers. 1-armin surviving colossal titan heat and being burned to ashes aswell as falling 50 meters. STILL survives for half an hour even to get the syringe. Compare him to Erwin who died faster despite lower relative damage. 2-Reiner consciousness relocation asspull. Only talked about in the same episode and he did it again a few chapters/episodes later to evade death. never talked before or mentioned again Reiner's plot armor and asspulls is so massive throughout the series. These two are probably the biggest asspulls ever pre-ending and they happen within a short span. 3.Levi surviving the explosion somehow. thunder spears are the same weapons capable of annihilating the armoured titan's nape. also still fights afterwards despite being out the entirety of season 2 for a freaking sprained ankle. It was like a cartoon so much that someone made a meme about it. 4.Gabi entire character is based on asspulls. from her carrying that massive gun at 10 years old or so to sniping eren's head perfectly who perfectly lands on Zeke hand of course. and is unharmed when eren transforms into the founding titan just 20 meters from her. This is off my mind. I probably forget quite some as its been years since i watched previous seasons. Not asspulls but really shitty Armor serum being just near eren is so convenient.why not just write eren titan as being able to create armor instead of this? The yeageriest troops despite being soldiers they're incompetent and did zero kills or damage by themselves. All the damge was to titan shifters who conveniently can regenerate anyway. Isn't AOT supposed to do the opposite? Look at the pieck scene. they fired like 100 thunder spears and she's just dodging them. plot armor is strong for the good guys. Okay first of all if you mean by the last 10 chapters having asspuls -manga spoilers- that because the alliance members didn't die despite having all the previous inheritors fighting them , it's normal to be provoked by it and questioning how they did that but you should realise that Eren didn't want them to die and rather to stop him actually , that's why he made sure not to kill them directly so they're not really an asspuls Secondly, I agree with the fact that Armin wasn't supposed to survive after falling from that height even though he's already completely burnt ,and idk if there's some detail or justification in the manga that the anime didn't adapt.. And it's the same case with Reiner But I highly disagree on "Gabi's character being built on asspuls" I mean ffs there's just one scene that you could consider an asspuls which includes Gabi , and it's when she happened to be present at the same time and place where Kaya was nearly eaten by Nile's titan, where she shot and killed him. But you choose to criticize a perfect scene with misinformations : Gabi isn't a 10 year old girl but rather 13 , and please don't downgrade her abilities in shooting because she's the best in her group in everything , including using guns and rifles, and yes it was just near her because Colt was holding it the whole time when he tried to speak with Zeke That being said it's easy to know that it's either you're being biased or just didn't pay enough attention |
DissapointmentA said: Since the ending disappointed me i've been thinking about some BS i didn't like earlier that could have already predicted the ending we got. I will only post S3P2 content on this forum. The last 10 chapters introduce a lot of asspulls and plot holes and inconsistencies but i won't go into them as they're manga spoilers. 1-armin surviving colossal titan heat and being burned to ashes aswell as falling 50 meters. STILL survives for half an hour even to get the syringe. Compare him to Erwin who died faster despite lower relative damage. 2-Reiner consciousness relocation asspull. Only talked about in the same episode and he did it again a few chapters/episodes later to evade death. never talked before or mentioned again Reiner's plot armor and asspulls is so massive throughout the series. These two are probably the biggest asspulls ever pre-ending and they happen within a short span. 3.Levi surviving the explosion somehow. thunder spears are the same weapons capable of annihilating the armoured titan's nape. also still fights afterwards despite being out the entirety of season 2 for a freaking sprained ankle. It was like a cartoon so much that someone made a meme about it. 4.Gabi entire character is based on asspulls. from her carrying that massive gun at 10 years old or so to sniping eren's head perfectly who perfectly lands on Zeke hand of course. and is unharmed when eren transforms into the founding titan just 20 meters from her. This is off my mind. I probably forget quite some as its been years since i watched previous seasons. Not asspulls but really shitty Armor serum being just near eren is so convenient.why not just write eren titan as being able to create armor instead of this? The yeageriest troops despite being soldiers they're incompetent and did zero kills or damage by themselves. All the damge was to titan shifters who conveniently can regenerate anyway. Isn't AOT supposed to do the opposite? Look at the pieck scene. they fired like 100 thunder spears and she's just dodging them. plot armor is strong for the good guys. Oh forgot to talk about the rest Comparing Levi's survival to Tom & Jerry is hilarious especially when there's a ton of other scenes in other animes that actually deserves to be called this like in one piece for example, but no , people have double standards when it comes to their favourite animes lol Anyway, again it's either you ignored the fact that Levi is an Ackerman that has the power of 100 soldiers or you just watch superficially Hange herself confirmed it many times, it's safe to assume the Titan DNA swirling around Levi's bloodstream gave him a higher threshold for damage than your average human. Also working to Levi's benefit is his burning desire to kill the Beast Titan. Without a strong will, Levi might've succumbed to his wounds, but the dream of slicing Zeke's nape off is fueling his (somewhat slower) advance forward. Having Titan-laced genes doesn't give Levi the awesome regenerative powers as proper titan shifters but were enough to see him through wounds any regular person would've died from. Not to mention he used his blade as a shield to block the blow and this made the damage less , which wasn't shown in the anime but only in the manga As for the last one, idk if you know that the Cart Titan's strongest characteristics is his flexibility and High dribbling and speed that was shown in S3 part 2 before and how he escaped Levi , and also peik stated before that used to stay in titan form for months in one go , so it's the minimum of her to have full control over her Titan's movements Not everything has to be a plot Armor or asspuls, just what doesn't have justification |
| And there's Demon Slayer... |
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AishaBi said: Bruh... Both had plot armors and asspulls. The problem with Demon Slayer was the asspulls and plot armours were completely excessive. And last thing, both were overhyped shows.Natsuki_SanJuan said: don't compare.. demon slayer is not known for its plot that much. It's just entertainment. Meanwhile fans always overhype Aot for being realistic and not having asspulls yet Aot has soo much plot armourAnd there's Demon Slayer... So if you're saying Demon Slayer was just made for entertainment, then Ufotable just used Demon Slayer to promote its animation style? The intention of the mangaka was to just "entertain" the audience? Bruh... The mangaka could do better than that. |
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| Putting aside the fact that @DissapointmentA had to create several threads pretty much about the same stuff, each piece of fiction has more or less visible and impactful asspulls used for the sole purpose of making the story more interesting and to make its narration more complex than it would've been without such elements. Attack on Titan is no different, even if it has quite many elements that might either be called as asspulls, illogical, or even require viewers to interpret them by themselves. To me, the biggest of them was the Paths. The whole concept of such realm worked pretty well back when it was shrouded in mystery, however when it began to be used more often and more details were revealed about it, it started serving as a cheap plot device to implement even the dumbest thing without consequences, explaining it with classic phrase of "it just works", just modified to "it's just the Paths" or something similar. That's why I'm not the fan of so-called "chapters in the Paths" with Eren and Zeke. To me the only thing they represented was shocking value, but apart from that they were not anything special in the manga. Anime managed to flesh them out well, without limiting them to "crazy plot twist", simply by placing emphasis on other elements and by treating them as equal (characters, emotions, atmosphere). Yeah, I know that some elements were impossible to appear in the manga format (comic can't have dialogues or music attached to it, after all); but I compared both versions with having it in mind, and still anime adaptation is seen by me as superior to the manga when we are talking about said "the Paths episodes". It's sad to say, because as much as I love Isayama-sensei's "Shingeki no Kyojin", to me the Paths chapters had quite lazy writing. Natsuki_SanJuan said: And there's Demon Slayer... Demon Slayer fanbase, to which I belong as well, do not have that high percentage of edgy elitists like Attack on Titan, claiming that their favorite comic and cartoon are some sorts of millenium's masterpieces, lol. Same goes with JoJo's Bizarre Adventures. I guess some fandoms in general can have fun, and some prefer to seethe over tiny details to which they build whole headcanons only to prove their theory. |
DissapointmentA said: Since the ending disappointed me i've been thinking about some BS i didn't like earlier that could have already predicted the ending we got. I will only post S3P2 content on this forum. The last 10 chapters introduce a lot of asspulls and plot holes and inconsistencies but i won't go into them as they're manga spoilers. 1-armin surviving colossal titan heat and being burned to ashes aswell as falling 50 meters. STILL survives for half an hour even to get the syringe. Compare him to Erwin who died faster despite lower relative damage. 2-Reiner consciousness relocation asspull. Only talked about in the same episode and he did it again a few chapters/episodes later to evade death. never talked before or mentioned again Reiner's plot armor and asspulls is so massive throughout the series. These two are probably the biggest asspulls ever pre-ending and they happen within a short span. 3.Levi surviving the explosion somehow. thunder spears are the same weapons capable of annihilating the armoured titan's nape. also still fights afterwards despite being out the entirety of season 2 for a freaking sprained ankle. It was like a cartoon so much that someone made a meme about it. 4.Gabi entire character is based on asspulls. from her carrying that massive gun at 10 years old or so to sniping eren's head perfectly who perfectly lands on Zeke hand of course. and is unharmed when eren transforms into the founding titan just 20 meters from her. This is off my mind. I probably forget quite some as its been years since i watched previous seasons. Not asspulls but really shitty Armor serum being just near eren is so convenient.why not just write eren titan as being able to create armor instead of this? The yeageriest troops despite being soldiers they're incompetent and did zero kills or damage by themselves. All the damge was to titan shifters who conveniently can regenerate anyway. Isn't AOT supposed to do the opposite? Look at the pieck scene. they fired like 100 thunder spears and she's just dodging them. plot armor is strong for the good guys. yeah you are right me too disappointed in the ending let's hope they change it |
| Aot had asspulls since the season 3. To list a few: >Reiner transfering his mind to his ass (????) >After Armin turns into charcoal, he survives the fall from 50 meters+ (wasn't a titan shifter yet) >Armin being chosen over the general of the army Season 4 had them as well and the final arc will have even more. GOT season 8 tier. |
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DissapointmentA said: Since the ending disappointed me i've been thinking about some BS i didn't like earlier that could have already predicted the ending we got. I will only post S3P2 content on this forum. The last 10 chapters introduce a lot of asspulls and plot holes and inconsistencies but i won't go into them as they're manga spoilers. 1-armin surviving colossal titan heat and being burned to ashes aswell as falling 50 meters. STILL survives for half an hour even to get the syringe. Compare him to Erwin who died faster despite lower relative damage. 2-Reiner consciousness relocation asspull. Only talked about in the same episode and he did it again a few chapters/episodes later to evade death. never talked before or mentioned again Reiner's plot armor and asspulls is so massive throughout the series. These two are probably the biggest asspulls ever pre-ending and they happen within a short span. 3.Levi surviving the explosion somehow. thunder spears are the same weapons capable of annihilating the armoured titan's nape. also still fights afterwards despite being out the entirety of season 2 for a freaking sprained ankle. It was like a cartoon so much that someone made a meme about it. 4.Gabi entire character is based on asspulls. from her carrying that massive gun at 10 years old or so to sniping eren's head perfectly who perfectly lands on Zeke hand of course. and is unharmed when eren transforms into the founding titan just 20 meters from her. This is off my mind. I probably forget quite some as its been years since i watched previous seasons. Not asspulls but really shitty Armor serum being just near eren is so convenient.why not just write eren titan as being able to create armor instead of this? The yeageriest troops despite being soldiers they're incompetent and did zero kills or damage by themselves. All the damge was to titan shifters who conveniently can regenerate anyway. Isn't AOT supposed to do the opposite? Look at the pieck scene. they fired like 100 thunder spears and she's just dodging them. plot armor is strong for the good guys. and don't forget Gabi hitted a moving target without any scope. |
| I don't understand the author's bias towards Riener or that obnoxious girl but Levi was probably forced on him to stay alive due his massive popularity thus he was forced to pull this asspul for him also from what I heard the ending we got isn't the ending he intended he was planning for something else but due the massive popularity of the show he also changed it to more fan friendly one |
| 1. Hot air cushions anybody easily and CT was putting out tons of it and he was on the verge of death. If u think Erwin surviving his bowel injury for that long is not an asspull or inconsistency then Armin surviving is also not one. 2. It was literally explained after he used it and why would it be in talks again when he never needed to use it again? Did Levi ever attack him again after RTS? No right, yh then please read the story. 3. Thunder spears do not do even half of the damage to the one who is behind the spear and Levi shielded his body with ODM blades which cost him to lose his fingers. This is literally explained LMAO. 4. Gabi is literally at the top of her warrior class. Means she is incredibly strong and Zeke came way out of his titan to catch eren and he literally is an amazing catcher. Makes sense bro. 5. Historia's dad literally brought it up tf u talking about? 6. Yeagerists are mostly recruits who are not much experienced in battles and alliances literally have the people with the most experience. Wdym pieck scene? She was on the verge of getting hit and even got engulfed in fire. So ur problems are answered and there's not a single inconsistency till now. Not to say Scouts had plot armour from the beginning LMAO |
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| While your points are valid, you posting the same thread 3 times on different boards for attention is hella annoying. |
AishaBi said: I think it can apply to all mainstreams or other shows. No anime is perfect though. Even some people saying Demon Slayer is an absolute masterpiece seems like a joke to me. It depends for some people.Natsuki_SanJuan said: I'm not saying demon slayer is made for entertainment.. I'm saying that demon Slayer is known for entertainment.. their fandom don't have much claim to always say they have best plot but Aot fans always claim that their Anime has masterpiece plot, charecters, charecter designs etc and say Aot has no plotholes or any other flaws which is not true at all.. Aot is not perfect at all and their fans refuse to accept thatBruh... Both had plot armors and asspulls. The problem with Demon Slayer was the asspulls and plot armours were completely excessive. And last thing, both were overhyped shows. So if you're saying Demon Slayer was just made for entertainment, then Ufotable just used Demon Slayer to promote its animation style? The intention of the mangaka was to just "entertain" the audience? Bruh... The mangaka could do better than that. |
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Mack_Yeager said: Shadzzo said: Aot had asspulls since the season 3. To list a few: >Reiner transfering his mind to his ass (????) >After Armin turns into charcoal, he survives the fall from 50 meters+ (wasn't a titan shifter yet) >Armin being chosen over the general of the army Season 4 had them as well and the final arc will have even more. GOT season 8 tier. Ahh.... I think you don't know what you talking about Game of thrones had tons of asspulls that amounts to nothing but disappointing,and boring stuff,too much talking that leads to no plot progression,too much plot armour,which has no explanation to why the plot armour happens,etc etc And you are saying that only s8 of GOT has that then you are completely mistaken S6,S5 and S7 all had more plot armour than s8 Then you might be asking why is s8 more criticized It's simple , because nothing epic happens and it was just a waste of resources I didn't say anything about previous seasons of GOT not having problems since i think they have had their share of problems as well. I was talkıing about SNK having previous asspulls in it before the time skip already. I only mentioned game of thrones because of the similarities between the problems of their respective final arcs. To name a few: -Characters being stuck in certain death situations only to be fine the next chapter/scene -Horrible pacing issues with rushed final fights and epilogue -Characters with illogical and out of character decisions and lines |
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| It's a bit hypocritical to say Demon Slayer flaws should be overlooked because its fanbase don't sound as defending of the show, while KNY fanbase was responsible to make its 2nd Season the 23th best anime of all time here on MAL. On the moment this happens, the fanbase is automatically claiming its a materpiece and better than other shows. It also shows how the anime community works when the fanabase is a bigger reason to criticize and diminish a shows quality rather than... the actual show. So the point still stands. Most of MAL community are purposely being nitpicky over SNK for childish reasons. |
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| Since we're in anime discussions, I'll go with the anime version. Zxtsukii said: 1. Hot air cushions anybody easily and CT was putting out tons of it and he was on the verge of death. Verge of death lol. You've got to be delusional to think someone can survive getting steamed for >2 minutes by hot air capable of burning off steel and pushing out (?) blood. Armin charged chest-first into the colossal as his sword handle and blood burned off.   He also fell head-first onto the top of a roof (which doesn't take a 50 meter fall to be fatal). After losing his odm gear. With a lot of his blood pushed out/likely evaporated. As a kid with little muscle to cushion his organs from the fall & heat. And stayed there without the serum for 12 minutes, at least! And since Armin fell head-first, without his hood or hair, the hot air "cushion" (which would also be steaming him) should be a lot less effective at slowing his fall. And don't forget how few people can even survive a 50% third degree burn. Armin's was almost 100%. Zxtsukii said: 2. It was literally explained after he used it and why would it be in talks again when he never needed to use it again? Did Levi ever attack him again after RTS? No right, yh then please read the story. Reiner and Bert talked about it for a grand total of 25 seconds. Fits "A hastily fabricated explanation or contrived plot twist" quite well. And don't forget, the problem isn't that he only used it once, or else the Rumbling would also be an asspull (it isn't). The problem is that there were little, if anything at all that points to a titan user being able to transfer their consciousness to their titan/body. Zxtsukii said: 3. Thunder spears do not do even half of the damage to the one who is behind the spear and Levi shielded his body with ODM blades which cost him to lose his fingers. This is literally explained LMAO. Headcanon much? Dealing less damage might be true for people behind the spears when they're flying horizontally, not when the spears are placed vertically. Also, https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924926690315100180/961261601988698152/unknown.png?width=1203&height=583 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924926690315100180/961262644323561532/unknown.png?width=1203&height=584 2 consecutive frames. Levi was, at most, 2 meters from the spear. I'll assume the explosion was the equivalent of roughly 1kg of tnt, since a quick Google search tells me "Under controlled conditions one kilogram of TNT can destroy (or even obliterate) a small vehicle" .  I don't think blocking with a sword can stop a blast wave travelling at supersonic speeds in it's lethal range from rupturing your lungs, brain, heart, or any organ really. Any of the 3 I listed failing would mean instant death or severe & permanent breathing/brain damage. Ackerman powers are cool, but if they can't heal Kenny's injuries from (iirc) Rod's transformation steam, I highly doubt Levi can be saved from instant death. |
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