do you support the jaegerists (selfishness) or alliance (selflessness)?

samashi20 said:
While I don't think the story is about picking sides anymore, I am more morally inclined to support the Alliance. Not because I'm necessarily selfless, but because I'm against these extremist approaches.

@deg I'm sure you already know about this, but the story is now very similar to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem

Obscure_Otaku said:
we're getting through spam stages, first was the score, then people saying genocide is wrong, then people saying is there's movie (still in this stage) and now we're getting into spam of jeagerist vs alliance, people just love to make hundreds of topics, arguing the same damn thing again and again

Obscure_Otaku said:
we're getting through spam stages, first was the score, then people saying genocide is wrong, then people saying is there's movie (still in this stage) and now we're getting into spam of jeagerist vs alliance, people just love to make hundreds of topics, arguing the same damn thing again and again

Obscure_Otaku said:
we're getting through spam stages, first was the score, then people saying genocide is wrong, then people saying is there's movie (still in this stage) and now we're getting into spam of jeagerist vs alliance, people just love to make hundreds of topics, arguing the same damn thing again and again

rach1m4n said:
Being selfless is indeed something noble, but if we're talking about large number, or in this context world, it's just unrealistic, one must possess massive power both in physical or non-physical. Alliance is realistically lacking in physical power compared to Eren that basically has Godlike power in their universe. But giving effort to it in the first place is still noble no matter what, that's why i admire Floch because eventhough he's far below others in term of physical and non-physical(average to good), he's very noble for being selfishly selfless to what he fought for, Eldia.

I personally dont want to pick side just because my ideology, but if i had to choose which one has clear motivations and amount of hearts theyre putting in the efforts, i must say i support Yeagerist with the exception of Reiner/Gabi/Jean from Alliance.

deg said:


>he's very noble for being selfishly selfless to what he fought for, Eldia.

well i mean greater selflessness when im talking about the Alliance here

surely saving your friends and own kind is selflessness too but on a lesser level compared to what the Alliance are doing or the consequence of their actions here, especially with Gabi and Reiner that are both saving their family and the rest of the world

samashi20 said:
While I don't think the story is about picking sides anymore, I am more morally inclined to support the Alliance. Not because I'm necessarily selfless, but because I'm against these extremist approaches.

@deg I'm sure you already know about this, but the story is now very similar to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem

xZabuzax said:
I don't hate any of the group, Eren and crew are going for the genocide route but they are simply doing it in self-defense, it's wrong and I won't side with them but I don't hate them because of it either, the alliance are simply trying to stop the genocide so they are doing good for humanity as well, stopping the genocide means that the Eldians will die sooner or later if they get raided later on.

If I have to choose a group, I would have sided with Zeke, that's the "lesser" evil IMHO, at least Zeke tried to stop the Eldians in the least painful way possible with the euthanasia plan.

And let's be honest, the Eldians are a dangerous group of people, if something happens and suddenly they transform into titans for whatever reason then nobody would be able to stop them so they will cause more harm than good. Eldians are simply ticking time bombs IMHO, the world will actually be a better/safer place without that dangerous race of people around, nothing to do with racism here, it's just a fact, they are dangerous and should be considered a ticking time bomb.

Acausal said:
I support omnicide. Wipe out the outside world and then go after your own people. Justification? The AoT MAL forums.

BerriesSan said:
if ur paying attention, ud notice that the jaegerist are tried to be painted as selfless at some points (For the sake of the island) and the Alliance is painted as selfish (For the sake of what i believe is correct).

pay attention.

deg said:


i mean greater selflessness like world level of selflessness here

again its also selfless to save your own race but its lesser good compared to saving all or overwhelming majority of the human race

BerriesSan said:

that point of view doesn't take the discussion anywhere. Its more fruitful if you think about it in the flow the show is talking about it.
imo, please pardon my rudeness, The entire aot community is doing a discussion RIGHT NOW that shouldve' been completed like a yr ago. Its honestly somewhat frustrating (T^T)/

deg said:


i care more about consequence than intention when it comes to morality thats why i side with the alliance since the consequence of their actions is saving the world

anime only fans are first time experiencing this arc

Scordolo said:

L01MK said:
mfw defending your country and race from total destruction is somehow considered selfish

Scordolo said:
Both sides are messed up.
Jeagerists are supporitng Genocide killing innocent victims who have nothing to do with the hate for Eldians.
Alliance are betraying their own people, saving the world who hate Eldians more than anything. Even if the alliance succeed in "saving the world" the hate for Eldians will not just automatically disappear.

_Doofenshmirtz_ said:
Why there is no mention anywhere that doing Rumbling will also kill all the other living organisms along with humans? Not only about Genocide being wrong, but also the impact rumbling will have ecologically? Why Hange is not putting up an argument about this since she was some sort of Scientist?

About the question, both sides are going for genocide anyway, whether directly or indirectly, whether large scale or small scale , doesn't matter to me. As a viewer, I don't support any faction at this moment anymore.

_Doofenshmirtz_ said:
but also the impact rumbling will have ecologically? Why Hange is not putting up an argument about this since she was some sort of Scientist?

nishant0 said:
Those who support the jeagerists are those with terrorist psychology (a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims)
And it is clear that any sane person will support the alliance because they are against genocide and not only that they are also removing the long hatred between Marley and the Eldians (especially the Island Eldians).

If I say that if it is just for entertainment purpose then anyone can support anyone it doesn't matter

vileoivm12 said:


Not really. We understand what is necessary and we understand that stopping Eren without a plan will disasterful for the paradisians. Almost every jaegerists would be in favor of the Alliance if they showed a clear good plan to ensure the safety of the paradisians. But as of right now, they don't.

My guess is that we disagree with the severity of the situation. For example, I think you believe that if Eren was stopped, then the world wouldn't nuke paradise island. But from my perspective, I see that Eren is the only weapon paradise island has. Without him, Paradise is behind in technology, behind in weapon power, behind in military power, behind in negotiation power with other countries and behind in titan power as most titans are still controlled by Marley. And don't forget, once Eren is dead, his powers will be transformed to an unborn Eldian. Meaning the world would have seen the destruction this power could cause and now they have every reason (more reason than before) to wipe out all the Eldians before another Eldian devil is born.

So, from my perspective, it is literally support Eren's crazy genocide plan and don't get killed, stop Eren with no plan and get killed. I would have preferred if Eren didn't go full rumbling, but since he already started, it seems like stopping Eren now is a death wish.

Note: "terrorist psychology" and calling the other side insane aren't an argument and ironically goes against the message of the show.

nishant0 said:
I don't think jeagrist would ever agree with alliance as the only think that matter for them is inside wall eldians and they never take the kind of risk that has the slightest chance of putting their people in danger

If Eren is stopped means rumbling is stopped meaning
so if you think that world will see the paradise island same as before than you are wrong and yes the possibility of war will never be zero but as you stated another devil is born seems pointless

stopping Eren is impossible, and what alliance is doing that they think their is a slightly possibility to stop the genocide that's why they are going for it and I don't think anything wrong with that, coz genocide is always be a worst option no matter what reasons you have

what I mean by 'terrorist psychology', what jeagrist are doing is clearly a terrorist do if you agree with them you'll live otherwise you'll die (as they are killing the engineers of other country just because they dont follow them) this scene slightly remind me from a movie about terrorism thats why I said terrorist psychology

vileoivm12 said:


Well, it's kinda hard to argue against "Show spoiler" buttons lol. We will see after the show ends I guess.

Helltaker said:
Altruism doesn't exist all actions are selfish so alliance are not selfless they are very much selfish since they are willing to betray and kill their own people in order to satisfy their feelings of moral superiority.

Helltaker said:
Altruism doesn't exist all actions are selfish so alliance are not selfless they are very much selfish since they are willing to betray and kill their own people in order to satisfy their feelings of moral superiority.