Forum SettingsEpisode Information
Forums
Vinland Saga
Available on Manga Store
New
Jun 1, 2020 6:45 PM
#1
Offline
Jan 2017
292
i know this topic has already been discusted before, @Esquirtit and @Elucid have already shown that canute's 180 ° change wasnt forced by any means, but it seems like this is still causing problems for a lot of people, and there are even manga readers that havent yet accepted what Yukimura did in developping canute's character. so here is my breakdown to this character developement and why i think it's one of the best in the history of anime/manga. The breakdown concerns only the first season, aka the prologue, as canute has even more developement in the manga later.

i'm gonna do this analysis in 3 parts: the forshadowing (before ep 18), the main act (ep 18) and the extra indications (after ep 18)

the forshadowing:

the first thing that forshadows canute's change in the future is what Askellad said about him, askellad is some one who can see what a person can be just by looking at his face, he said to Bjorn in ep 12 that canute doesnt have the face of a king but his future still awaits.





canute being from a royal bloodline is already a sign that he can have inhirited some traits of kings, still canute doesnt look like a king, and this has a reason.









this is so important to understand the change of canute, what Ragnar said in ep 13 showed that Canute knew what was going on in the royal palace, he knew the atrocity and the confilcts between the members of the royal family ,but he chose to make himself unoticed and unremarkable, which prooves he is intelligent and forshadows the fact that he is not intrested in what's happening in the court.







this goes with the previous idea, canute is only acting that way in order to prevent any problem, he made it clear that he understands what doesnt it mean to be a prince but he doesnt act like one, and i'll talk about this later.





in ep 15, we see canute shouting and reprimanding the priest which shows that he is not coward as he seems, he said that every father loves his child, but in reality he was only persuading him self that it's true. him acting like that toward the priest shows that he doesnt really think his words, as if he was preventing himself from thinking about the reality.

in the same episode we saw canute having a normal talk with ragnar and thorfin, wich shows his true nature,and that he was just acting shy in front of others.



before talking about the main act, let's remember that Ragnar's death was the turning point in canute's developpement, and we will see later how important ragnar was in this process.

ragnar's death was the shock that started canute's change:



the main act: ep 18:

this is where the change happened, but before we talk about that, it is important to know that the change in this kind of situations can be resumed in the following steps: shock- denial- anger and blame - acceptance - solution. Canute has gone through all these steps, it may seem quick but i'll explain why it is possible to be this way.

canute's change was done by yukimura in two stages; subconsiously and consciuosly:

the subconsious stage is the dream part, where canute remembers the shock element, and goes through denial, anger and blame, and acceptance, the solution only comes when he was aware.

denial





canute is still denying that he can make it through without ragnar.

anger and blame



canute is blaming his situation on the fate that made him born in the royal family, he has never wanted to be born a prince, he liked the life with Ragnar, and this is the other reason he never acted like a prince: although he grew up in the royal court, he never was intrested in what was happening, he only acted the way he did to avoid problems. and this is important, cause now that he lost that life he was content with, he has to accept the reality and adapt.

acceptance



canute accepted that he has lost Ragnar and the life he used to live, and this is obvious when he said to priest just a moment when he awaken from the dream, that ragnar came to say godbye,but in fact, it was canute who said godbye to ragnar as the dream is canute's creation, it was the image of his deep feelings and thoughts, he was actualy the one the one who said that "there are things you realize only when you experience loss" because he is the one responsible of the dream. so what did canute realize? we'll see that in the next part.

the stage of consiousness in canute's change is his discussion with the priest: the dream part made canute accept the loss of ragnar and changed his view about his situation:



he now realized that no one loves him anymore, but the priest will push him to change his view not only about his situation but about the whole world: the priest said that what ragnar felt toward the prince wasnt love, but rather discrimination

denial

cante is once more shocked and denies what the priest said by asking him some questions



"if ragnar didnt love me, then what incarnate the true love"
and the priest expalined his idea of love, we all know the story.

after the priest theological and philosophical speech, canute reach the step of anger and blame:

canute realizes that humains were expelled from paradise, left without being able to love, and he then reached the highest point of anger and despair.



he blamed the situation on God (the Father), he accused him of leaving people suffering in their lives, and of depriving them of love.

acceptance



canute finnaly accepts the cruel reality of the world.

solution

now that he accepted the reality, and changed his view about the world, now that he lost what made him act the way he did, he no longer have to be the shy guy who doesnt want problems because he wasnt intrested in the royal conflicts. he now have a clear objectif and he found the reason and the meaning of his life, so he has to act in a way that goes with that objectif.





his objectif is now to create a paradise in earth for those who are suffering in life, defying then the rules of God. canute literly began his rebellion against god, and the scene with bjorn was the symbol of his resolve to change the world, people shouldnt look at this scene in the surface level, cause it doesnt show that canute gained any power or stuff like that, but rather symbolizes that the prince is now ready to defy the Father, and can do whatever it takes to acheive his goal.





Canute has changed his perspective about the world and is ready to seek his objectif, and to do that he has to act like a king, and he already knows how to do it as i explained before, people who thought that the prince powered up and started acting like a king from nowhere are mistaken and didnt pay attention to forshadowing and the important info i showed in the first part.

canute's developement was done quickly, but it was possible because it was a change of perspective in the both subconsious and consious level. it was possible because of the backgroud of canute, his life with ragnar, what he learned in the royal court, what he learned while being a christian. if it was thorfin for example, this change would never happen. this change was possible because he has gone through all the steps, and nothing can prevent that from happening as the change is psychological.

with that being said, i have covered canute's character developpement from start to finish, the next part is an extra explaination from episodes after ep 18, where the writer showed more indications about the prince's change and how was it possible, so for those how havent seen all the episodes, just stop here cause there will be heavy spoilers of the rest of the season.

in ep 19, thorkel made the comaparaison between thors and canute about their eyes:



the comparison concerns only the eyes, it doesnt say anything about being stong as some people thought, it shows that canute changed his view about the world, that he is now looking to something thorkel cant understand, the same way he didnt understand how thors changed his view about the fighting and being a true warrior.



in ep 20 the writer made it clear that canute knew how a king should act, as he grew up watching his father the king. King sweyn also said in the same episode that now; Canute looks like him when he was young.

even after changing, canute still has some reflexes of his old self: he lived years acting shy and childish, and he still act like that in some situations, which shows how much meticulous yukimura is when developing his character:


ep 22


ep 24





i think these last images talk for themselves, i dont need to coment on them.

so that was my complete in depth breakdown of canute character developement in the prologue of vinland saga, i'm sorry i couldnt make it shorter, but this really needed a long analysis, i hope you enjoyed it, and i want to know what do you guys think about canute's character developpement, if you have other opinions, other analysis or interpretations it would enrich the topic.
hamza121419Jun 4, 2020 12:12 AM
Jun 3, 2020 5:56 PM
#2

Offline
Apr 2018
2174
This is a well thought-out analysis; good job.
The episodes post-19 definitely do a better job of showing that Canute didn't really turn into some badass overnight, as they cut back on his angry-face close-ups and you can see that he's clearly still disturbed by bloodshed during


As a personal preference, i still would have preferred that his growth process after Ragnar's death had been slightly more spaced out or that we had been given a flashback episode detailing Canute's life in royalty to really drive home the fact that he always knew what he was doing. But given his circumstances at the time of Thorkell's pursuit, i suppose it's understandable that he was forced to man-up quickly and i no longer have as much negative feelings about it as i did on my first impression of Eps. 18 & 19.
Jul 15, 2020 2:37 PM
#3

Offline
Nov 2018
739
Nice one OP
as I watched the show, actually I find nothing wrong with them. everything flows naturally if you pay attention enough. and maybe lots of people found it weird and illogical, there are timeline and cultural differences which can affect psychological state that actually makes it all reasonable.
Jul 15, 2020 4:02 PM
#4
Offline
Jan 2017
292
sogegesoge said:
Nice one OP
as I watched the show, actually I find nothing wrong with them. everything flows naturally if you pay attention enough. and maybe lots of people found it weird and illogical, there are timeline and cultural differences which can affect psychological state that actually makes it all reasonable.
i'm glad you appreciated my analysis, i've always been thinking canute's development is underated as many people got the wrong end of the stick concerning this character. But it is so important to understand canute's development in the prologue in order to fully comprehend the person he will become later in the manga. I've only read the farmland arc and his character development is spectacular. Yukimura sensei never cease to amaze with the way he developps his characters.
hamza121419Apr 21, 2021 2:49 PM
Jul 15, 2020 9:53 PM
#5

Offline
Sep 2019
212
Yeah nice job OP. Came here from that thread where some bozos said that the development of Canute and Thorfinn don't make sense, even though that makes no sense, especially if you paid attention during the latter half of the show. I don't understand how people out here are saying shit like "the beginning was good, but then its middle was mediocre". Tf. Again if you pay attention, the middle to end half of the show serves either to lay the ground work for future development (ie. for Canute and Thorfinn in the Farm Arc), or executes character payoffs (Canute's change after the death of Ragnar, Thorfinn's realization during Askeladd's death), and people still somehow say, "I don't like where stuff goes . . . complete 180 in character, blah blah".
Jul 16, 2020 1:31 AM
#6
Offline
Jan 2017
292
MSK3 said:
Yeah nice job OP. Came here from that thread where some bozos said that the development of Canute and Thorfinn don't make sense, even though that makes no sense, especially if you paid attention during the latter half of the show. I don't understand how people out here are saying shit like "the beginning was good, but then its middle was mediocre". Tf. Again if you pay attention, the middle to end half of the show serves either to lay the ground work for future development (ie. for Canute and Thorfinn in the Farm Arc), or executes character payoffs (Canute's change after the death of Ragnar, Thorfinn's realization during Askeladd's death), and people still somehow say, "I don't like where stuff goes . . . complete 180 in character, blah blah".
yeah i also dont understand how the middle was mediocre for those people, maybe they are not used to episodes of buildup, they probably think the climax comes just like that, if it wasnt for this whole preparation yukimura did the best moments of the show wouldnt have been that impactful and meaningful.
Feb 12, 2022 11:02 AM
#7

Offline
Dec 2020
2933
Thank you for this. Fantastic analysis.
Feb 15, 2022 6:25 AM
#8
Offline
Oct 2021
89
hamza121419 said:
i know this topic has already been discusted before, @Esquirtit and @Elucid have already shown that canute's 180 ° change wasnt forced by any means, but it seems like this is still causing problems for a lot of people, and there are even manga readers that havent yet accepted what Yukimura did in developping canute's character. so here is my breakdown to this character developement and why i think it's one of the best in the history of anime/manga. The breakdown concerns only the first season, aka the prologue, as canute has even more developement in the manga later.

i'm gonna do this analysis in 3 parts: the forshadowing (before ep 18), the main act (ep 18) and the extra indications (after ep 18)

the forshadowing:

the first thing that forshadows canute's change in the future is what Askellad said about him, askellad is some one who can see what a person can be just by looking at his face, he said to Bjorn in ep 12 that canute doesnt have the face of a king but his future still awaits.





canute being from a royal bloodline is already a sign that he can have inhirited some traits of kings, still canute doesnt look like a king, and this has a reason.









this is so important to understand the change of canute, what Ragnar said in ep 13 showed that Canute knew what was going on in the royal palace, he knew the atrocity and the confilcts between the members of the royal family ,but he chose to make himself unoticed and unremarkable, which prooves he is intelligent and forshadows the fact that he is not intrested in what's happening in the court.







this goes with the previous idea, canute is only acting that way in order to prevent any problem, he made it clear that he understands what doesnt it mean to be a prince but he doesnt act like one, and i'll talk about this later.





in ep 15, we see canute shouting and reprimanding the priest which shows that he is not coward as he seems, he said that every father loves his child, but in reality he was only persuading him self that it's true. him acting like that toward the priest shows that he doesnt really think his words, as if he was preventing himself from thinking about the reality.

in the same episode we saw canute having a normal talk with ragnar and thorfin, wich shows his true nature,and that he was just acting shy in front of others.



before talking about the main act, let's remember that Ragnar's death was the turning point in canute's developpement, and we will see later how important ragnar was in this process.

ragnar's death was the shock that started canute's change:



the main act: ep 18:

this is where the change happened, but before we talk about that, it is important to know that the change in this kind of situations can be resumed in the following steps: shock- denial- anger and blame - acceptance - solution. Canute has gone through all these steps, it may seem quick but i'll explain why it is possible to be this way.

canute's change was done by yukimura in two stages; subconsiously and consciuosly:

the subconsious stage is the dream part, where canute remembers the shock element, and goes through denial, anger and blame, and acceptance, the solution only comes when he was aware.

denial





canute is still denying that he can make it through without ragnar.

anger and blame



canute is blaming his situation on the fate that made him born in the royal family, he has never wanted to be born a prince, he liked the life with Ragnar, and this is the other reason he never acted like a prince: although he grew up in the royal court, he never was intrested in what was happening, he only acted the way he did to avoid problems. and this is important, cause now that he lost that life he was content with, he has to accept the reality and adapt.

acceptance



canute accepted that he has lost Ragnar and the life he used to live, and this is obvious when he said to priest just a moment when he awaken from the dream, that ragnar came to say godbye,but in fact, it was canute who said godbye to ragnar as the dream is canute's creation, it was the image of his deep feelings and thoughts, he was actualy the one the one who said that "there are things you realize only when you experience loss" because he is the one responsible of the dream. so what did canute realize? we'll see that in the next part.

the stage of consiousness in canute's change is his discussion with the priest: the dream part made canute accept the loss of ragnar and changed his view about his situation:



he now realized that no one loves him anymore, but the priest will push him to change his view not only about his situation but about the whole world: the priest said that what ragnar felt toward the prince wasnt love, but rather discrimination

denial

cante is once more shocked and denies what the priest said by asking him some questions



"if ragnar didnt love me, then what incarnate the true love"
and the priest expalined his idea of love, we all know the story.

after the priest theological and philosophical speech, canute reach the step of anger and blame:

canute realizes that humains were expelled from paradise, left without being able to love, and he then reached the highest point of anger and despair.



he blamed the situation on God (the Father), he accused him of leaving people suffering in their lives, and of depriving them of love.

acceptance



canute finnaly accepts the cruel reality of the world.

solution

now that he accepted the reality, and changed his view about the world, now that he lost what made him act the way he did, he no longer have to be the shy guy who doesnt want problems because he wasnt intrested in the royal conflicts. he now have a clear objectif and he found the reason and the meaning of his life, so he has to act in a way that goes with that objectif.





his objectif is now to create a paradise in earth for those who are suffering in life, defying then the rules of God. canute literly began his rebellion against god, and the scene with bjorn was the symbol of his resolve to change the world, people shouldnt look at this scene in the surface level, cause it doesnt show that canute gained any power or stuff like that, but rather symbolizes that the prince is now ready to defy the Father, and can do whatever it takes to acheive his goal.





Canute has changed his perspective about the world and is ready to seek his objectif, and to do that he has to act like a king, and he already knows how to do it as i explained before, people who thought that the prince powered up and started acting like a king from nowhere are mistaken and didnt pay attention to forshadowing and the important info i showed in the first part.

canute's developement was done quickly, but it was possible because it was a change of perspective in the both subconsious and consious level. it was possible because of the backgroud of canute, his life with ragnar, what he learned in the royal court, what he learned while being a christian. if it was thorfin for example, this change would never happen. this change was possible because he has gone through all the steps, and nothing can prevent that from happening as the change is psychological.

with that being said, i have covered canute's character developpement from start to finish, the next part is an extra explaination from episodes after ep 18, where the writer showed more indications about the prince's change and how was it possible, so for those how havent seen all the episodes, just stop here cause there will be heavy spoilers of the rest of the season.

in ep 19, thorkel made the comaparaison between thors and canute about their eyes:



the comparison concerns only the eyes, it doesnt say anything about being stong as some people thought, it shows that canute changed his view about the world, that he is now looking to something thorkel cant understand, the same way he didnt understand how thors changed his view about the fighting and being a true warrior.



in ep 20 the writer made it clear that canute knew how a king should act, as he grew up watching his father the king. King sweyn also said in the same episode that now; Canute looks like him when he was young.

even after changing, canute still has some reflexes of his old self: he lived years acting shy and childish, and he still act like that in some situations, which shows how much meticulous yukimura is when developing his character:


ep 22


ep 24





i think these last images talk for themselves, i dont need to coment on them.

so that was my complete in depth breakdown of canute character developement in the prologue of vinland saga, i'm sorry i couldnt make it shorter, but this really needed a long analysis, i hope you enjoyed it, and i want to know what do you guys think about canute's character developpement, if you have other opinions, other analysis or interpretations it would enrich the topic.

Amazing analysis. I never felt his character changed suddenly but now that you mention all the details it's even clearer. He is not only one of the best characters in this show but one of the best characters in Anime. Thank you for this. I know it took a lot of time.
Feb 15, 2022 3:59 PM
#9
Offline
Jan 2017
292
@IamAfFaN, @troilus_05s, thanks for your words.

More topics from this board

» Not gonna lie the protagonist was the most boring character in s1 ( 1 2 )

Ilias03x - May 26

50 by Merve2Love »»
Oct 10, 6:26 PM

Poll: » Vinland Saga Episode 24 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page )

Stark700 - Dec 29, 2019

807 by Dec2208 »»
Oct 10, 3:49 PM

Poll: » Vinland Saga Episode 15 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page )

Stark700 - Oct 20, 2019

263 by starberry_ »»
Oct 6, 4:46 AM

Poll: » Vinland Saga Episode 19 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page )

Stark700 - Nov 24, 2019

333 by Veer1709 »»
Oct 2, 3:52 PM

Poll: » Vinland Saga Episode 1 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 5 ... Last Page )

Stark700 - Jul 6, 2019

408 by wildhood »»
Sep 30, 4:18 AM
It’s time to ditch the text file.
Keep track of your anime easily by creating your own list.
Sign Up Login