Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
| Alright I will just admit it. I like the romance in re zero. And while I am pretty neutral with the Satella x Subaru romance (I think it just sort of foreshadows some 400 years ago love) and I love Subaru x Emilia romance, but I really hate all the Rem scenes. I don't understand. Is Rem supposed to signify Lust for Subaru or is it author's fantasy? Or is it catering to Rem fans? I mean I liked Rem pre arc 2 (I am serious) but post arc 2 Rem is annoying. . And I think doing romance with another girl (who is not main heroine) is creepy and cringe What do you guys think? |
swirlydragonOct 9, 2020 10:33 PM
| I don't think Rem represents any of these. I put the second one because I didn't read the question completely. Rem is honestly the best option Subaru has in the romance aspect. I personally don't find that creepy at all that he is with a girl that loves him. It would be creepier if it was with Emilia. What I think Rem represents is that for the main character, he is rejecting a girl who isn't as attractive that actually wants him for someone who doesn't want him and is very attractive, if that makes sense. Emilia mostly signifies Subaru's lust, from the way I see it. Most guys in the modern society act very similar to Subaru. You know, when most guys see a very beautiful girl, all logic that they had previously comes out of their heads, and they start to fall in love at first sight (like Subaru). They start to do things that they normally wouldn't do (i.e, texting her all day, being her servant, and giving her free validation for just having a pretty face) ultimately giving the woman power in the relationship. What's worse is that they feel like that's what they need to do in order to have sex or be in a relationship with her (or both). Women aren't attracted to guys like that at all. When a guy deals with a girl that's like an 8 or less, he can stay in logic because she isn't as attractive as that dime he wants. If a guy settles down with a dime, he feels like he doesn't need to work on himself anymore because he feels accomplished, which isn't a good thing at all. |
cupcake847Jul 24, 2021 3:26 PM
"Humans are like isolated islands, floating in the sea of fate. Human encounters are like the collision of these lonely islands, and once they touch, there would be an effect. Sometimes, the islands would stick together, in the name of ‘interest’, ‘kinship’, ‘friendship’, ‘love’ and ‘hate’. But eventually, they would separate, walking towards the path of destruction. This is the truth behind life." -Fang Yuan |
| @cupcake847 After some few lines, I stopped reading this. Honestly I don't want to have a headache. Anyway, Rem is a disgusting, vile, subhuman, garbage cuck piece of shit. I don't see anything appealing in her. "Make me your concubine" lmfao. What a load of crap! I'd rather want to be in a relationship with an elegant beauty rather than a shameless filthy cuck who dreams only about dicks. I swear the "perverted waifu" trope is so overused in anime that it baffles me how the anime community mindlessly falls for it again and again. It just shows how desperate weebs are for wish fulfilling escapism fantasy with a slave as a wife. It is sad really. Especially because well-written characters like Emilia are far better than this usual trope. I prefer character writing over this horny perverted garbage. If I want to see Rem, I'd rather watch a hentai where the female is a nymphomaniac. Overall, I do believe that you and I will never agree. However, I cannot see BHRam (I don't want to take her vile name) as nothing more than a horny bag of meat who mindlessly follows Subaru like a puppy and spews cringy lines. |
swirlydragonAug 15, 2021 5:22 PM
swirlydragon said: @cupcake847 After some few lines, I stopped reading this. Honestly I don't want to have a headache. Anyway, Rem is a disgusting, vile, subhuman, garbage cuck piece of shit. I don't see anything appealing in her. "Make me your concubine" lmfao. What a load of crap! I'd rather want to be in a relationship with an elegant beauty rather than a shameless filthy cuck who dreams only about dicks. I don't know how a girl that has extremely high interest in one dude can dream of multiple dicks๐๐. Literally the best Rem insult I have heard in forever.๐คฃ Anyway, I guess we both have different opinions. |
"Humans are like isolated islands, floating in the sea of fate. Human encounters are like the collision of these lonely islands, and once they touch, there would be an effect. Sometimes, the islands would stick together, in the name of ‘interest’, ‘kinship’, ‘friendship’, ‘love’ and ‘hate’. But eventually, they would separate, walking towards the path of destruction. This is the truth behind life." -Fang Yuan |
cupcake847 said: I don't know how a girl that has extremely high interest in one dude can dream of multiple dicks๐๐. Literally the best Rem insult I have heard in forever.๐คฃ Anyway, I guess we both have different opinions. Whatever I said is actually a fact. BHRam herself said to Roswaal that she belongs to him (both in mind and body). So yeah, I wasn't wrong. Plus BHRam has always been an immoral person from the start. She was the reason Annerose's mom got killed and due to that a little girl got orphaned. Even knowing she was responsible for killing someone innocent, she felt no remorse. She has no moral compass. She single-mindedly pursues one goal. Before it was sucking Roswaal's dick and now Subaru's. |
swirlydragonAug 15, 2021 5:37 PM
cupcake847 said: When was this? I would like to know. You would know if you read the novel. Sadly, you don't even know BHRam's deeds while also being wrong about Emilia. Anyway, your answer is "Oni village Prequel" Your love for BHRam is on surface. Superficial. Honestly though, 95% BHRam lovers only know the surface of her character. I hate to admit this but I too liked that vile creature once; that is, before reading the novels. The remaining 5% like BHRam because of her hentai perversion capability. As for Emilia, most people who love Emilia really read everything about her, not just on the surface. The complexity of her character as shown in Frozen Bond and the main series. Emilia has a moral compass. And while that may not seem fascinating; however, the lengths that Emilia is willing to go in order to protect what makes her in essence "Emilia" that we "Emilia fans" know of is beautiful and fascinating. In conclusion, I don't see how BHRam can even hold a candle against Emilia. Maybe some like BHRam and probably always will. However, it is a pity that they are missing out on the most well-written character in the series because of "waifu perversion" fantasy. |
swirlydragonAug 15, 2021 6:04 PM
| the author sucks at writing romance. He's tried so hard to make Emilia x Subaru a thing and it's just not working. |
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| Few days back, I saw a message saying that the Author's planning to make Rem as Subaru's 2nd wife in the original route. Haven't read the LN yet so I don't know shit but then what was the point of Sloth: IF? Wasn't that route made for Rem? And also, since polygamy has became a thing in isekai LNs, it wouldn't be surprising to see the author make an harem ending for Subaru. |
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ShreyashLegend said: swirlydragon said: You would know if you read the novel. Sadly, you don't even know BHRam's deeds while also being wrong about Emilia. Anyway, your answer is "Oni village Prequel" Your love for BHRam is on surface. Superficial. Honestly though, 95% BHRam lovers only know the surface of her character. I hate to admit this but I too liked that vile creature once; that is, before reading the novels. The remaining 5% like BHRam because of her hentai perversion capability. As for Emilia, most people who love Emilia really read everything about her, not just on the surface. The complexity of her character as shown in Frozen Bond and the main series. Emilia has a moral compass. And while that may not seem fascinating; however, the lengths that Emilia is willing to go in order to protect what makes her in essence "Emilia" that we "Emilia fans" know of is beautiful and fascinating. In conclusion, I don't see how BHRam can even hold a candle against Emilia. Maybe some like BHRam and probably always will. However, it is a pity that they are missing out on the most well-written character in the series because of "waifu perversion" fantasy. Just one question i havent read after mid arc 6 so who is this BHRam. And if you are confusing ram with rem as i suspect cause you said that she was with roswall now she is with subaru so please stop you are sounding like a dumbass and contradicting yourself. He actually meant Rem, since for some strange reason he doesn't want to take her "vile" name. |
"Humans are like isolated islands, floating in the sea of fate. Human encounters are like the collision of these lonely islands, and once they touch, there would be an effect. Sometimes, the islands would stick together, in the name of ‘interest’, ‘kinship’, ‘friendship’, ‘love’ and ‘hate’. But eventually, they would separate, walking towards the path of destruction. This is the truth behind life." -Fang Yuan |
swirlydragon said: cupcake847 said: When was this? I would like to know. You would know if you read the novel. Sadly, you don't even know BHRam's deeds while also being wrong about Emilia. Anyway, your answer is "Oni village Prequel" Your love for BHRam is on surface. Superficial. Honestly though, 95% BHRam lovers only know the surface of her character. I hate to admit this but I too liked that vile creature once; that is, before reading the novels. The remaining 5% like BHRam because of her hentai perversion capability. As for Emilia, most people who love Emilia really read everything about her, not just on the surface. The complexity of her character as shown in Frozen Bond and the main series. Emilia has a moral compass. And while that may not seem fascinating; however, the lengths that Emilia is willing to go in order to protect what makes her in essence "Emilia" that we "Emilia fans" know of is beautiful and fascinating. In conclusion, I don't see how BHRam can even hold a candle against Emilia. Maybe some like BHRam and probably always will. However, it is a pity that they are missing out on the most well-written character in the series because of "waifu perversion" fantasy. If this doesn't sound like you are trying to emotionally manipulate me to make me like Emilia more than Rem, then I honestly don't know what is. |
cupcake847Oct 9, 2021 9:19 AM
"Humans are like isolated islands, floating in the sea of fate. Human encounters are like the collision of these lonely islands, and once they touch, there would be an effect. Sometimes, the islands would stick together, in the name of ‘interest’, ‘kinship’, ‘friendship’, ‘love’ and ‘hate’. But eventually, they would separate, walking towards the path of destruction. This is the truth behind life." -Fang Yuan |
swirlydragon said: I mean, here is the thing right. Those Rem scenes exists because they need to, both for Subaru's psychological state to go in the direction it did but also because of how Rem was and needed to be written. Rem as a character is someone who loves Subaru but her love for him basically just stems from her inferiority complex and her trauma, and her putting both Ram and Subaru on high pedestals and basically worshipping and being obsessed with them is a way for her to cope with that. The reason Rem needs to love Subaru so much is because of arc 3 basically. She parallels Subaru's self-hatred with her love for him and is therefore absolutely needed for episode 18 to work. She also is a sort of support to Subaru between episodes 13-17 which is an extremely important role since he really needed someone to rely on to not completely give up. Her staying with him and loving him is essential for the arc to work and that is why she was written like that. Therefore the Rem scenes are just the natural course of events that would happen and needed to happen for the arc to work.Alright I will just admit it. I like the romance in re zero. And while I am pretty neutral with the Satella x Subaru romance (I think it just sort of foreshadows some 400 years ago love) and I love Subaru x Emilia romance, but I really hate all the Rem scenes. I don't understand. Is Rem supposed to signify Lust for Subaru or is it author's fantasy? Or is it catering to Rem fans? I mean I liked Rem pre arc 2 (I am serious) but post arc 2 Rem is annoying. . And I think doing romance with another girl (who is not main heroine) is creepy and cringe What do you guys think? |
MothQAQ said: cupcake847 said: The part you say about Emilia representing Subarus lust makes some sense but your interpretation of him liking Emilia just because she is prettier than Rem is not true at all. Subaru loves Emilia for many more reasons than her looks and that much is extremely obvious in the light novel. On top of that, the part about Rem representing the better more healthy option doesn't make any sense in the way she was written. The author obviously did not intend her to represent anything of the sort and it is very obvious by the fact that he removed her from the story for 3 arcs and by the way the relationship between Emilia and Subaru has developed. On top of that Subaru has already developed past the point of his unhealthy lust for Emilia. There are also many reasons why Rem x Subaru is not a healthy relationship and they have to do with Rems obsession over Subaru since her obsession with him, much like her obsession over Ram is a way for her to cope with her trauma and inferiority complex.I don't think Rem represents any of these. I put the second one because I didn't read the question completely. Rem is honestly the best option Subaru has in the romance aspect. I personally don't find that creepy at all that he is with a girl that loves him. It would be creepier if it was with Emilia. What I think Rem represents is that for the main character, he is rejecting a girl who isn't as attractive that actually wants him for someone who doesn't want him and is very attractive, if that makes sense. Emilia mostly signifies Subaru's lust, from the way I see it. Most guys in the modern society act very similar to Subaru. You know, when most guys see a very beautiful girl, all logic that they had previously comes out of their heads, and they start to fall in love at first sight (like Subaru). They start to do things that they normally wouldn't do (i.e, texting her all day, being her servant, and giving her free validation for just having a pretty face) ultimately giving the woman power in the relationship. What's worse is that they feel like that's what they need to do in order to have sex or be in a relationship with her (or both). Women aren't attracted to guys like that at all. When a guy deals with a girl that's like an 8 or less, he can stay in logic because she isn't as attractive as that dime he wants. If a guy settles down with a dime, he feels like he doesn't need to work on himself anymore because he feels accomplished, which isn't a good thing at all. Makes sense. This was posted a couple of months ago, and some of the points I made weren't true. Still, I think Subaru with Rem is the most obvious choice. Nothing will change my mind about that. Who knows what happens. Hopefully, Rem will get over her inferiority complex completely and have a better relationship with Subaru and Ram. |
"Humans are like isolated islands, floating in the sea of fate. Human encounters are like the collision of these lonely islands, and once they touch, there would be an effect. Sometimes, the islands would stick together, in the name of ‘interest’, ‘kinship’, ‘friendship’, ‘love’ and ‘hate’. But eventually, they would separate, walking towards the path of destruction. This is the truth behind life." -Fang Yuan |
| I'll be brief. Subaru's past in the human world is a big factor in him getting attracted to Emilia, who seemed to be the 'foolish' type who cares for others regardless of her own situation. Subaru thinks it's something worth protecting.He cherishes her virtues as a part he wants to have incorporated in his personality. Due to self-loathing, he doesn't focus to protect his own good side, and instead wants to protect someone else who has that good side. In Arc 2, when Emilia saves his sanity just by observation, he totally fell for her cause - she became his "life force". It did take Arc 3 and the trials though to convince him that she's a girl with flaws too. But by that time (Arc 4), he developed a deeper understanding of her, and his infatuation developed into caring love, which is still not full-fledged romance. Arc 5 and Arc 6 have been developing into something more solid between them, but the sheer weight of events kept them busy. Nevertheless their bonds deepened and the best thing is they now both feel happy and lucky to have each other. Rem's main trait is undying loyalty, and in a way she's more mature than Emilia. If her age was any more higher, she would have been the elder sister figure Baru never had. But she's still the EASY WAY OUT. She's a temporary solution to arc 2-3 Baru's troubles (Sloth: If). She gives Subaru motivation to be the best hero, but it also creates pressure in him to live up to her expectations. He can't totally reject her love either because he feels grateful to her. I think, in this regard, it's Rem who has to go beyond becoming a motivation machine for Subaru. Like, what if, they just became close buddies who watch their backs? A very deep platonic relationship (with Beako) has been already established, so it will be interesting if author wants more. Deep platonic relationships between similar (at most 4 yr difference) aged opposite sex characters are a rarity, so we'll see. In Arc 6, in the chapter "Natsuki Subaru" it became clear that slowly he's becoming mentally strong enough to motivate himself. Arc 7 So Rem can find a new role in the story, which will add more flesh to her character. Tappei himself was surprised by her popularity, so I think he's thinking like this: Hey I haven't done HER SPECIAL ARC yet, what's with this reception?! Regarding the endgame mystery, Satella X Subaru, I don't think we should go too much into it, because we know almost nothing. Satella's existence is a big question mark. Almost any record of what happened 400 years ago is a mystery. With history warpers like Pandora in the background, we can't rely on this shit. The Sanctuary, or the Pleiades Tower are the things left from a lost era that can help us uncover what truly happened - but still they give 20% answers, 80% theories. |
| "All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo |
| The OP needs to reconsider posting this because it just seems like unnecessary Rem hate |
| they deleted my signature again so i'm not making a new one |
Laplace_kun said: I'll be brief. Subaru's past in the human world is a big factor in him getting attracted to Emilia, who seemed to be the 'foolish' type who cares for others regardless of her own situation. Subaru thinks it's something worth protecting.He cherishes her virtues as a part he wants to have incorporated in his personality. Due to self-loathing, he doesn't focus to protect his own good side, and instead wants to protect someone else who has that good side. In Arc 2, when Emilia saves his sanity just by observation, he totally fell for her cause - she became his "life force". It did take Arc 3 and the trials though to convince him that she's a girl with flaws too. But by that time (Arc 4), he developed a deeper understanding of her, and his infatuation developed into caring love, which is still not full-fledged romance. Arc 5 and Arc 6 have been developing into something more solid between them, but the sheer weight of events kept them busy. Nevertheless their bonds deepened and the best thing is they now both feel happy and lucky to have each other. Rem's main trait is undying loyalty, and in a way she's more mature than Emilia. If her age was any more higher, she would have been the elder sister figure Baru never had. But she's still the EASY WAY OUT. She's a temporary solution to arc 2-3 Baru's troubles (Sloth: If). She gives Subaru motivation to be the best hero, but it also creates pressure in him to live up to her expectations. He can't totally reject her love either because he feels grateful to her. I think, in this regard, it's Rem who has to go beyond becoming a motivation machine for Subaru. Like, what if, they just became close buddies who watch their backs? A very deep platonic relationship (with Beako) has been already established, so it will be interesting if author wants more. Deep platonic relationships between similar (at most 4 yr difference) aged opposite sex characters are a rarity, so we'll see. In Arc 6, in the chapter "Natsuki Subaru" it became clear that slowly he's becoming mentally strong enough to motivate himself. Arc 7 So Rem can find a new role in the story, which will add more flesh to her character. Tappei himself was surprised by her popularity, so I think he's thinking like this: Hey I haven't done HER SPECIAL ARC yet, what's with this reception?! Regarding the endgame mystery, Satella X Subaru, I don't think we should go too much into it, because we know almost nothing. Satella's existence is a big question mark. Almost any record of what happened 400 years ago is a mystery. With history warpers like Pandora in the background, we can't rely on this shit. The Sanctuary, or the Pleiades Tower are the things left from a lost era that can help us uncover what truly happened - but still they give 20% answers, 80% theories. I was just reading the forums to kill time and I thought this was going to be another pointless topic for me to skip and read something else, but I'm surprised to find such a respectful opinion for both characters, this to me is love, someone who is really reading the work with love without getting stuck with character X and currently trying to understand everyone and where they matter (something the topic creator should think about), congratulations great opinion my friend. |
| @gnomeu Aww, thanks :D These wholesome replies are rare in MAL forum. edit: "Without love, it cannot be seen" |
| "All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo |
Laplace_kun said: I'll be brief. Subaru's past in the human world is a big factor in him getting attracted to Emilia, who seemed to be the 'foolish' type who cares for others regardless of her own situation. Subaru thinks it's something worth protecting.He cherishes her virtues as a part he wants to have incorporated in his personality. Due to self-loathing, he doesn't focus to protect his own good side, and instead wants to protect someone else who has that good side. In Arc 2, when Emilia saves his sanity just by observation, he totally fell for her cause - she became his "life force". It did take Arc 3 and the trials though to convince him that she's a girl with flaws too. But by that time (Arc 4), he developed a deeper understanding of her, and his infatuation developed into caring love, which is still not full-fledged romance. Arc 5 and Arc 6 have been developing into something more solid between them, but the sheer weight of events kept them busy. Nevertheless their bonds deepened and the best thing is they now both feel happy and lucky to have each other. Rem's main trait is undying loyalty, and in a way she's more mature than Emilia. If her age was any more higher, she would have been the elder sister figure Baru never had. But she's still the EASY WAY OUT. She's a temporary solution to arc 2-3 Baru's troubles (Sloth: If). She gives Subaru motivation to be the best hero, but it also creates pressure in him to live up to her expectations. He can't totally reject her love either because he feels grateful to her. I think, in this regard, it's Rem who has to go beyond becoming a motivation machine for Subaru. Like, what if, they just became close buddies who watch their backs? A very deep platonic relationship (with Beako) has been already established, so it will be interesting if author wants more. Deep platonic relationships between similar (at most 4 yr difference) aged opposite sex characters are a rarity, so we'll see. In Arc 6, in the chapter "Natsuki Subaru" it became clear that slowly he's becoming mentally strong enough to motivate himself. Arc 7 So Rem can find a new role in the story, which will add more flesh to her character. Tappei himself was surprised by her popularity, so I think he's thinking like this: Hey I haven't done HER SPECIAL ARC yet, what's with this reception?! Regarding the endgame mystery, Satella X Subaru, I don't think we should go too much into it, because we know almost nothing. Satella's existence is a big question mark. Almost any record of what happened 400 years ago is a mystery. With history warpers like Pandora in the background, we can't rely on this shit. The Sanctuary, or the Pleiades Tower are the things left from a lost era that can help us uncover what truly happened - but still they give 20% answers, 80% theories. You were quite....brief. But an amazing reply nonetheless. |
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swirlydragon said: i can relate to u on a spiritual lvl when u said that rem is annoying, I am gonna ignore the rest as I am clueless bout it as I am still on arc 6Alright I will just admit it. I like the romance in re zero. And while I am pretty neutral with the Satella x Subaru romance (I think it just sort of foreshadows some 400 years ago love) and I love Subaru x Emilia romance, but I really hate all the Rem scenes. I don't understand. Is Rem supposed to signify Lust for Subaru or is it author's fantasy? Or is it catering to Rem fans? I mean I liked Rem pre arc 2 (I am serious) but post arc 2 Rem is annoying. . And I think doing romance with another girl (who is not main heroine) is creepy and cringe What do you guys think? |
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