So I'm a Spider, So What? (light novel)
| This anime feels like someone took the two different shows and put them in the blender, leaving the audience to deal with two protagonist, three timelines, several changing viewpoints and hoping they will somehow made a whole picture out of this puzzle. Of rather two or more puzzle boxes mixed together with some part burned and other shipped to another continent. People continue to assure me that everything will be explained eventually if I keep watching. And I decided to believe them. So I make this thread to make a list of points anime doesn’t really bother to explain, aiming to update this as the anime goes on A general idea is that I update this thread with every episode and if anime does explain something, or my assumption about the show are entirely wrong, I will note this in this thread too. As a result, this threat will contain SPOILERS – it’s basically a summary of the story … and a lot of blatant misunderstanding of anime’s message. Point of this exercise is to figure out how much can be understood without reading the Light Novel. So, this story opens with a generic high-school student reincarnating into the body of fantasy monster spider. She calls herself Kumoko since she doesn’t remember her name. Since she is a monster now, and is surrounded by aggressive monsters that want to eat her, she needs to fight for her life from the very beginning. World works on typical game mechanic with skills and levels. Show doesn’t bother to explain what each skills do, however it doesn’t really matter here as I understand a general gist of it – spider gets stronger as she kills and eats other monsters, and it is clear she needs to use her skills in a creative fashion in order to succeed. However, that’s not the whole story. We are introduced to a second protagonist right in the first episode! And he is the most bland, most generic anime harem protagonist story can imagine attending the generic anime fantasy high school. Comes with a harem in opening package, no need to waste time here, and they are also as generic as they can get. A little sister, a hot redhead, loli elf etc. He, just like his classmates, are supposed to be also reincarnated. And there is one dimensional evil rapist jealous as protagonist’s rival, of course. Why he is here? Isn’t the story supposed to be about the spider? Too bad, 50% of anime is him! Why? Don’t know. I am aware they aren’t technically supposed to be his harem, but show doesn’t really drive this home, only they know each other from previous life, and since he is a generic harem protagonist I simply think them as Shun’s - Schlain’s (generic harem protagonist’s name) harem. Of course, one of his girls is his sister, but little incest never stopped any anime logic before. And other girl was reincarnated as a dragon. She looks like purple Charmander. I’ve seen enough Internet and this never stopped any shipper before – dragon is fine too. They are supposedly reincarnated into noble families, but that’s never explained properly. We never learn anything about the world, what are the countries, what relation they have, why there is generic magical highschool, why is everyone obeying the elf loli – teacher in previous life by the way. Don’t know, don’t care. Why no one told the elf loli to go fuck herself? She is pretty much bossy bitch. By episode 8 or 9 it is revealed that they are two different timelines. One where spider’s story is taking place 15 years before story of Shun. Or Schlain. I just call him Shun. Anime is trying to obfuscate it as much they can. They were supposedly also born into this world, but anime doesn’t bother to make any sense of it as they act as they were reincarnate just yesterday. How come they have same personalities even if they lived 15 years of different lives? Don't know. How come they recongize each other? Don't know. And then one-day evil one-dimensional rapist, Hugo, tries to murder Shun. It doesn’t work, as loli elf teacher appears, she walks through Hugo and all his accomplices like it’s nothing, and then wishes his skills away. Just like that. The ability to remove skills from enemies without a fight is a big deal by logic of RPG universe, and it is in the same episode where spider finds out there are Administrators, so everything is framed teacher is Administrator. But no, that’s episode 7, and anime forgot about the teacher. No explanation whether she is admin, or how her world-changing power works, nothing. The same applies for Hugo. Hugo, one-dimensional evil rapist, make deal with demons to get revenge to get forcefully de-leveled, but anime forgot about him too. Of course, Hugo is also noble and heir to the throne of generic JRPG Empire, but it’s conveniently forgotten. You know, if I was an Emperor, I wouldn’t send an heir to my throne to some remote boarding school, he would get private tutors and bodyguards… but who cares, anime forgot. Instead, we get generic flashbacks about the high school in our world, because high school in another world isn’t enough. Highschoolception! And we are introduced to more conflict! While poor spider still fights her way through the dungeon. This time it’s a demon lord attacking the generic fantasy JRPG army. At least, she gives the order to attack, and it’s implies she simply needs to sacrifice an army to kill a Hero. And Demon Lord is a girl, but that’s given. Who is the Hero? Julius, harem protagonist’s brother, and of course, Shun the Harem Protagonist inherits his power. Julius introduction is practically a third timeline where he travels to the dungeon where the spider was, and it is basically where this show consisting of two different anime gets a crossover. Julius kills some of Kumoko’s monster spider progeny, but a very little information is given. By the way, the Hero, person you need an army to kill, actually has to kill this enemies in quite conventional way and needs a support of his team, so it underlines how out of place teacher skill removal is, but story just forgets about her. We get some explanation about Shun’s family, which are royals by the way. Generally, half of the anime is Shun’s story, and people who read the LN claim it is world-building, however a very little world-building is done as even after the 10 episodes half of which is human side we know next to nothing about the world. And finally, this summary concludes with an old human mage having a flashback about visiting the Kumoko’s dungeon 15 years ago as a confirmation there is two different timelines. Back then, mage runs into actual Kumoko. And since Kumoko is now an evil monster spider from hell now bigger than human, she murders entire company of soldiers by looking at them in a very mean way before mage teleports away as his unit is sacrificed. Good anime forgot about the elf loli teacher, she would delete Kumoko’s skill at no time. I cheered at Kumoko an entire time. This JRPG generic universe needs some massive renovation. Kumoko, you need a bigger evil eye laser! So, what is even the purpose of whole Shun harem protagonist part? He is generic, plain, useless, and annoying, and we learned next to nothing about the world despite spending 5 out of 10 episodes with humans. Is Shun there only to be audience surrogate? Because if yes, I am kinda disappointed, because it means he is not going to die. I want him to die. I am also certain I am not supposed to cheer for Kumoko killing people with eye laser, but I certainly do. |
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| have we even seen hugo try to rape anyone |
| "I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
Aure0lin said: have we even seen hugo try to rape anyone No because it never happened, not in the Ln, Anime nor Manga |
Aure0lin said: have we even seen hugo try to rape anyone No, we didn't. We barely saw him at all, so I admit that on the one side it is kinda unfair to call him that ... however, on the other, he is the archetype though, and anime as a genre isn't particularly creative about those, and the entire conflict around him is based on the fact he didn't get the girl for some reason. If anime eventually gets him better characterization then I will admit I was wrong about him, but for now, I am going to call him that. By the way, I even pointed out that my post is probably a blatant misunderstanding of the story's messaage. I should be wrong. |
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| Another thing I would like to point out I actually do like the story of Kumoko - the spider part - despite her annoying genki girl personality that doesn't reflect on the situation she is in - because she obviously struggles and has to use her skill in a creative way in order to survive a constant flood of enemies. Anime doesn't always explain things here either, I don't know why a certain skill works the way they do, but I empathize with the struggle and understand the challenge. I actually like the part with Julius, the former Hero, because I think he is supposed to show what the exceptional human character and his team are supposed to be, even though they get a very little screentime and overall importance. His part would make zero sense if you don't include Shun, since it takes place in the second timeline, but I don't mind him, despite I obviously despise Shun and non-harem. I don't mind Rolant's part in episode 10, as he is the other perspective character many anime occasionally have, and there is no problem with this part so far. |
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DontCare69 said: Aure0lin said: This part was officially cut from the light novel.have we even seen hugo try to rape anyone He doesn’t rape anyone in the Wns either |
linkhuesitos said: For every other point if this was the novel then I would just tell you to wait because all of them will be answered. but this is the anime so I dont' know, let's see what happen. That's the point of the entire thread. It will be updated when anime answers it. linkhuesitos said: Oka is a Ruler, not an administrator. In episode 7 Oka said "Requesting application to unique ruler skills". Meanwhile in episode 9 Kuro said "Adminstrator privileges, activate". Ruler skill is never explained in anime. It was explained to me by someone who read the light novel. In anime, Ruler's skill is addressed through Kumuko's monologue and she doesn't really understand what it does or what it implies. We didn't see teachers' skills. linkhuesitos said: It's kind of difficult to change if you have friends with you that still treat you in the same way. Shun have never treated Katia as a girl and Fei as a pet. Fei acting out of role is never addressed as a problem, so I don't take it as one either. She occasionally muses about being a pet monster, but that's pretty much it, she is more upset that she is a purple lizard, not that she is technically Shun's property. Zero change in personality in 15 years also makes no sense, even if you knew the same people, your entire circumstances would be different. Except, they aren't different. It feels like 15 years of that very same high school class in statis. linkhuesitos said: Also, why are you calling Hugo rapist? That's how I call his character archetype. I bet I will find more of this type in the show, they just weren't introduced yet. |
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billybub said: DontCare69 said: This part was officially cut from the light novel. He doesn’t rape anyone in the Wns either The alleged mention of rape is something implied and open to the reader's interpretation, and by proxy, a decision of the translators. Hugo uses an ambiguous wording to express the intention of doing something criminal against Oka. This something can be interpreted either as violent rape, or violent beating. At the same time he becomes ruler of Lust. The japanese text was the same on the WN and the LN, but either one of the respective translators have chosen an unambiguous translation. On the WN it was translated as Hugo expressing intention of raping Oka, and on the LN it was translated as intention of beating her to a pulp. Both are valid interpretations, but choosing either one deny the reader from interpreting the scene themselves, as I believe was intended. IMO, it could've been translated as intention of "messing her up", or something similar. Although not a perfect, something that could still be interpreted either way giving the context of acquiring "Lust". |
Rarkis said: The alleged mention of rape is something implied and open to the reader's interpretation, and by proxy, a decision of the translators. Hugo uses an ambiguous wording to express the intention of doing something criminal against Oka. This something can be interpreted either as violent rape, or violent beating. At the same time he becomes ruler of Lust. The japanese text was the same on the WN and the LN, but either one of the respective translators have chosen an unambiguous translation. On the WN it was translated as Hugo expressing intention of raping Oka, and on the LN it was translated as intention of beating her to a pulp. Both are valid interpretations, but choosing either one deny the reader from interpreting the scene themselves, as I believe was intended. IMO, it could've been translated as intention of "messing her up", or something similar. Although not a perfect, something that could still be interpreted either way giving the context of acquiring "Lust". You took that straight from a Reddit post, Ive read the source materia both Ln and the unfortunately machine translated Wn, there is no mentions of Hugo raping anyone . Hugo is also the Ruler of Lust well before his 2nd encounter with Oka. I really think you should take the time to actually read the material rather than relying on what others have told you and Reddit before forming your opinions. |
Siegfried10 said: You have valid complains abut some skipped content, but then you just keep showing the same impatience of a little child. The anime hasnt even finished covering Volume 3 (of 14 volumes and still ongoing) and you already want everything explained. Some people really dont know how storytelling works. Well, I can read the Light Novel if I want the answers ... which is a point. If I read the Light Novel, I wouldn't have to rely on Anime to provide me with information that would easily sidestep how storytelling works. This is a point because I know how storytelling works. People simply laugh at me and say "it makes sense in Light Novel", but storytelling normally doesn't rely on supplementary materials from other mediums. And if you arguing I merely need to wait until later episodes of the anime, then yes, this is the entire point of the thread. To point out when anime reveals the information. |
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billybub said: You took that straight from a Reddit post No. But I'd like to check this post if you have it. billybub said: Ive read the source materia both Ln and the unfortunately machine translated Wn, there is no mentions of Hugo raping anyone . Cool, me too. If you had actually read my post you'd have noticed I didn't say there's a mention of Hugo raping anyone, there's a mention of him showing intention of commiting a violent act against Oka. (that you can check here, third from last line, easy to find) Particularly this: グチャグチャに犯してやる！ Gutchagutcha ni okashiteyaru! Gutchagutcha comes from the sound of a mess, like a bunch of fruits smashed, for stance. It's a onomatopeia made into a noun, which is very common in Japanese. It means things that make that sound or the state of something that makes that sound, that is, a big mess. Okashite is something like "performing an act of transgression", the exact meaning depends on context, but it could be a beating, fucking, raping, etc. "Gutchagutcha ni okashiteyaru" is something like "Turn something into a mess by an act of transgression", "mess shit up". This term is often used to denote either rape or a beating. On the WN this "act of transgression" was translated at least once as rape. This is what people refer to when mentioning rape on the WN. (If this is not the version you've read, good for you.) On the LN, you can check the "Interlude: Despair of the Defeated", on the Vol. 2. There it was translated as "beat her to a pulp". And this is why some people say the mention of rape was removed on the LN. This scene did not change on the original japanese version of the LN. (I could even post a screenshot of the passage in japanese when I get home). What changed was the bias on either translation that removed the ambiguity. billybub said: Hugo is also the Ruler of Lust well before his 2nd encounter with Oka. Not sure which encounter you're talking about here, but I really made a mistake here. It was not Lust, it was 『淫技ＬＶ１』, which could be interpreted as lewdness or obscenity. On the LN was made into "crude". billybub said: I really think you should take the time to actually read the material rather than relying on what others have told you and Reddit before forming your opinions. And you should actually read what people are saying before jumping to conclusions. |
Rarkis said: billybub said: You took that straight from a Reddit post No. But I'd like to check this post if you have it. billybub said: Ive read the source materia both Ln and the unfortunately machine translated Wn, there is no mentions of Hugo raping anyone . Cool, me too. If you had actually read my post you'd have noticed I didn't say there's a mention of Hugo raping anyone, there's a mention of him showing intention of commiting a violent act against Oka. (that you can check here, third from last line, easy to find) Particularly this: グチャグチャに犯してやる！ Gutchagutcha ni okashiteyaru! Gutchagutcha comes from the sound of a mess, like a bunch of fruits smashed, for stance. It's a onomatopeia made into a noun, which is very common in Japanese. It means things that make that sound or the state of something that makes that sound, that is, a big mess. Okashite is something like "performing an act of transgression", the exact meaning depends on context, but it could be a beating, fucking, raping, etc. "Gutchagutcha ni okashiteyaru" is something like "Turn something into a mess by an act of transgression", "mess shit up". This term is often used to denote either rape or a beating. On the WN this "act of transgression" was translated at least once as rape. This is what people refer to when mentioning rape on the WN. (If this is not the version you've read, good for you.) On the LN, you can check the "Interlude: Despair of the Defeated", on the Vol. 2. There it was translated as "beat her to a pulp". And this is why some people say the mention of rape was removed on the LN. This scene did not change on the original japanese version of the LN. (I could even post a screenshot of the passage in japanese when I get home). What changed was the bias on either translation that removed the ambiguity. billybub said: Hugo is also the Ruler of Lust well before his 2nd encounter with Oka. Not sure which encounter you're talking about here, but I really made a mistake here. It was not Lust, it was 『淫技ＬＶ１』, which could be interpreted as lewdness or obscenity. On the LN was made into "crude". billybub said: I really think you should take the time to actually read the material rather than relying on what others have told you and Reddit before forming your opinions. And you should actually read what people are saying before jumping to conclusions. I swear that response was directed towards Op(he tends to jump to unsubstantiated conclusions) Anyway didn't meen to suggest YOU hadn't read the source material just him. Ill link the Reddit post when I get a chance, if not just Google Hugo rape it should be one of if not the 1st that pop's up, goes into good detail.. Sorry for the misunderstanding |
Siegfried10 said: The statement of "It makes sense in the LN" isnt exactly right, the more accurate phrasing would be "it makes sense later on". This is why i keep telling you to wait and that everything will be explained eventually. Keep in mind that the anime is still in the earliest part of the LN, where many things havent been revealed yet. Anime hasnt really skipped vital information, but there still some details there that could answer some of your questions about Shun's group (as the skipped content is mostly his). Still though, anime will more likely reach until Volume 5-6, so you wont get the whole answers unless there is a season 2. There is going to be another episode in two days. I will certainly watch it. If it proves me wrong, I will admit it in this very thread. The same applies to every episode thereafter. You have nothing to lose, just have patience - it is exactly what you ask of me, it is not? |
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billybub said: I swear that response was directed towards Op(he tends to jump to unsubstantiated conclusions) Anyway didn't meen to suggest YOU hadn't read the source material just him. Ill link the Reddit post when I get a chance, if not just Google Hugo rape it should be one of if not the 1st that pop's up, goes into good detail.. Sorry for the misunderstanding Oh, ok! I see what happened. Also, I may have found the reddit post you referred to. It seems there's way more debate around this than there's any reason to be. Well, glad it's all cleared up. I'm sorry if I was rude on my response. |
billybub said: You took that straight from a Reddit post, Ive read the source materia both Ln and the unfortunately machine translated Wn, there is no mentions of Hugo raping anyone . Rarkis said: billybub said: You took that straight from a Reddit post No. But I'd like to check this post if you have it. billybub said: Ive read the source materia both Ln and the unfortunately machine translated Wn, there is no mentions of Hugo raping anyone . Cool, me too. It doesn't hurt to put spoiler tags on LN/WN content that won't be covered until much later on, maybe not even in this season, even when the post itself has a spoiler warning, you know. If you guys could please do that, thanks. About the post itself, well, like I said before and some people already said here, this is not an anime problem, it's how the story is presented, it will get much more confusing and only after we reach peak confusion that things will start to make sense in a domino effect, not everything tho, we're literally in the last battle in the WN and some mildly important details were just explained. Ohh, everything that was "forgotten" will have it's proper story arc or in depth explanation later, all you saw was just the introduction of those things, they'll be relevant again in due time Also, they all have slightly different personalities, some have drastically different, we just didn't have that much time to learn their previous and/or their current to compare yet, in Shun's group case you could blame this on cut content, but they'll also have character development later so it's fine. |
Primo_ItokoMar 18, 2021 12:59 PM
Fairis said: And immediately a correction. She does NOT call herself kumoko, this is a fan nickname given to her by readers. Further, she has no problem remembering her name. It's just that when you are alone you have no reason to call yourself in the third person instead of a simple "I" I would certainly refer to myself in a third person if I had an RPG status screen :-D There is obviously a need to hide the identity of the spider protagonist. Because anime implies her memory of who she is hazy. Even better, I would refer to myself as "we" if I had a human protagonist royal background. Fairis said: know? Maybe because this is rude and they respect their teacher in previous life. The Japanese have this attitude in their blood . Although Katya is certainly beginning to dislike her and be rude, you seem to have not noticed this. Nope, I didn't notice it. And I already hate her after few minutes... And they are 15 years apart and grew out in a supposedly different culture with a very different social status than before, so unless the teacher outranks them greatly even in her reincarnation, there is no reason to be this submissive to her. I don't know her rank from anime, so I can't rule out she may outrank them greatly, especially considering her powers, however it isn't specified either. I would be more understanding if they were reincarnated into adult (or rather teenage) bodies, but that's not the case, there are fifteen years of difference and radically different upbringing. This isn't an entirely illogical setup, but it has zero explanation and it purposefully confuses people with separate timelines. Fairis said: Now imagine if each of the students does so. Let me remind you that this is already a great school for important children, with security and a closed territory. In reality, by the way, there were also such schools and that no one there went with a crowd of guards, I’m ready to argue that even the children of the presidents are sure to sit alone in the classroom. Security is near nil. Hugo's assault on Shun is largely ignored if there wasn't a teacher. Unless she is the security, of course. And since there are like 6 characters, I am certain you don't need that large academy of them. Actually, how many noble children you can get? Yes, Shun has 3 brothers (and a sister), but that's not that difficult to achieve through private tutoring. Especially if you are a royal family. From where all the students come from? How many noble families there can be? How large the world is, how many nations are there, how interconnected it is to warrant all of this? This isn't explained in anime. Actually, elite schools only make sense in setting where there is general education for common folk too, and two castes are left separate, otherwise private tutoring would make sense. This all can be summarized by the fact that supposed worldbuilding doesn't do that much worldbuilding in itself. So, I will keep going, and keep pointing out when anime explain things and point out when it doesn't until it does. The next episode is tomorrow ... I am looking forward to it. |
beast_regardsMar 18, 2021 4:57 PM
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| So… Here is an update as the episode 11 comes in. The episode starts with an explanation of what a Taboo skill actually does, which is obviously going to be important later on, it’s a database. If they can explain this, why they can’t explain any other relevant skills? I suspect they only explained this one as it was absolutely necessary for Kumuko’s line of reasoning, otherwise they would leave us with another piece for a scattered puzzle. Under the influence of the database, Kumuko decides she needs to kill the Earth Dragon next … who is too high level, and Kumuko barely survives. Why the dragon in particular? Who knows. But I can’t argue with a database of magical knowledge no man is meant to know, so the killing a dragon is fine. You need to start somewhere. And we are back to our designated second harem protagonist, Shun, training. And speaking very generic phrases, fitting for harem protagonist. He forms a pact with his dragon not-waifu Fei. Supposedly will allow mind control in the future. Oh, kinky. Dragon not-waifu is back to be an egg as she is evolving. I have no doubt her second evolution would be more fitting for a hug pillow. Then he meets with a comrade of his dead brother. Here, anime actually proves I was wrong. Shun's brother wasn’t killed by Demon Lord’s army as I assumed, he was killed by one of Demon Lord’s general, a mysterious lady in white. After hero supposedly destroys the army. I can already guess who it is, but anime doesn’t reveal this so I will play stupid too. Either way, this is another scene people who read in the light novel knew, but anime didn’t foreshadow it. I rewatched the meeting in episode 9 and no, it still suggests that 3rd Army Group was supposed to die fighting hero. There is nothing specific back then, so people who knew read the light novel. And of course, there is a Phoenix Feather that resurrects people Julius conveniently gave away so audience surrogate can be special. And of course, Generic Harem Protagonist gets the feather. This means even killing him doesn’t stops him from being annoying. And we are back to our favorite spider, Kumuko. In order to get more levels to fight the dragon, she wipes out more random monsters. Casually commit genocide of monster wasps, even calls it this way … I love this girl. And in the end, Kumuko charges the legendary Earth Dragon, and the episode ends … I wonder what is the bigger picture I am supposed to get with the whole harem protagonist generic bullshit … except hoping Kumuko gets to murder him so this suffering ends. So, anime does explain something, eventually, when it feels like it ... However, it doesn't reveal that much, and is spread all over the place, and people who read the light novel connect the dots because they have context for what anime references, but for rest ... well, I'll wait to next episode. |
beast_regardsMar 19, 2021 11:39 AM
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dejablu said: beast_regards said: I rewatched the meeting in episode 9 and no, it still suggests that 3rd Army Group was supposed to die fighting hero No it doesn't, you are either being dishonest or incredibly obtuse. Literally nobody in this forum aside from you made that nonexistent connection, do you wonder why? the demon lord says that to avoid the war the 3rd army has to be sacrificed "for the sake of the world". Zero mentions of the hero. I repeat zero. Why do you assume "sacrificing for the sake of the world" has any connection whatsoever with killing the hero? It does not make any logical sense, and you don't need novel knowledge to operate according to basic logic. I genuinely don't understand your thought process, how can you make up stuff that is not presented at all in the anime and assert that they are there when they aren't Unsubstantiated assumptions are pretty much his MO, he believes what he wants facts be dammed |
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Numinex_x said: I think you're misunderstanding the demon lord's throwaway comment of the 3rd army having to sacrifice themselves to prevent a war. She never said they had to die fighting the hero, but to literally offer up their own lives for the world. Then they wouldn't HAVE to go to war with the humans. I didn't read the novel so I don't know which comment is throwaway or not. I assumed that killing a hero will hamper a human's ability to wage war and thus killing him is an objective since a new hero would have to train to catch up. dejablu said: No it doesn't, you are either being dishonest or incredibly obtuse. Literally nobody in this forum aside from you made that nonexistent connection, do you wonder why? Because most of them read the novel. That's literally the point here. I didn't read the novel. Since I didn't read the novel, I misunderstand things. People who read the novel tell me I am an idiot because it was all clear in the novel. The novel I didn't read. Which is circular logic which always leads to me going to read the novel. However, if every anime-only went to read the novel, me included, there won't be any discussion and novel readers couldn't act smug. Basically, if I went to read the novel to understand what is going on instead of making this post, you would have to find another person to mock for not reading the novel ;-) |
beast_regardsMar 19, 2021 12:44 PM
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beast_regards said: Numinex_x said: I think you're misunderstanding the demon lord's throwaway comment of the 3rd army having to sacrifice themselves to prevent a war. She never said they had to die fighting the hero, but to literally offer up their own lives for the world. Then they wouldn't HAVE to go to war with the humans. I didn't read the novel so I don't know which comment is throwaway or not. I assumed that killing a hero will hamper a human's ability to wage war and thus killing him is an objective since a new hero would have to train to catch up. dejablu said: No it doesn't, you are either being dishonest or incredibly obtuse. Literally nobody in this forum aside from you made that nonexistent connection, do you wonder why? Because most of them read the novel. That's literally the point here. I didn't read the novel. Since I didn't read the novel, I misunderstand things. People who read the novel tell me I am an idiot because it was all clear in the novel. The novel I didn't read. Which is circular logic which always leads to me going to read the novel. However, if every anime-only went to read the novel, me included, there won't be any discussion and novel readers couldn't act smug. Basically, if I went to read the novel to understand what is going on instead of making this post, you would have to find another person to mock for not reading the novel ;-) None of this has anything to do with the novels. The scene as presented in the anime does not imply anything that would suggest what you have randomly assumed. You have been corrected repeatedly using anime-only knowledge and you ignore it every time. |
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HEBS721 said: None of this has anything to do with the novels. The scene as presented in the anime does not imply anything that would suggest what you have randomly assumed. You have been corrected repeatedly using anime-only knowledge and you ignore it every time. I even highlighted I was wrong ... you are simply angry I merely sound negative Other people pointed out that I missed some lines, which raises a question, how I would know which quote is super important without the context of the light novel? People who read the novel have a greater context for what is important Numinex_x said: I think you made the mistake of equating Yes, I did a mistake. It's even highlighted in the comment that I was wrong... |
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beast_regards said: HEBS721 said: None of this has anything to do with the novels. The scene as presented in the anime does not imply anything that would suggest what you have randomly assumed. You have been corrected repeatedly using anime-only knowledge and you ignore it every time. I even highlighted I was wrong ... you are simply angry I merely sound negative Other people pointed out that I missed some lines, which raises a question, how I would know which quote is super important without the context of the light novel? People who read the novel have a greater context for what is important Oh no, I love your negativity. I hated the first few episodes and still think the adaptation of Shun's side of the story is garbage so your unbridled hate for him is quite refreshing. I'm just annoyed that your bias is making you distort what actually happened in the show. There is no greater context for that line. She was literally just threatening him for his insubordination. Either go to war and maybe die or stay here and be executed. |
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This is exactly what some source readers have been telling you and it also applies to this: beast_regards said: The episode starts with an explanation of what a Taboo skill actually does, which is obviously going to be important later on, it’s a database. If they can explain this, why they can’t explain any other relevant skills? and most importantly this: beast_regards said: However, it doesn't reveal that much, and is spread all over the place, and people who read the light novel connect the dots because they have context for what anime references, but for rest ... well, I'll wait to next episode. We have the context now but when we read it for the first time we were even more confused than you are since visual clues and some minor changes the anime offers makes some points really easy to figure out. |
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HEBS721 said: I'm just annoyed that your bias is making you distort what actually happened in the show Admittedly, that's true. I would have very little to complain about if Shun wasn't around, or his class for what matters. HEBS721 said: There is no greater context for that line. She was literally just threatening him for his insubordination. Either go to war and maybe die or stay here and be executed. Except, the commander of the 3rd group didn't feel that insubordinate, one that was questioning the authority and title of the Demon Lord was i.e. why she is even in charge kind of thing. For the case of the 3rd, it was like he was the one who pulled the short straw and got an obvious suicide mission. It is entirely a matter of impression. |
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Primo_Itoko said: We have the context now but when we read it for the first time we were even more confused than you are since visual clues and some minor changes the anime offers makes some points really easy to figure out. So, you've read the one volume and were forced to wait possibly several months for another, how did you remember everything in detail when a new volume came out? |
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beast_regards said: HEBS721 said: There is no greater context for that line. She was literally just threatening him for his insubordination. Either go to war and maybe die or stay here and be executed. Except, the commander of the 3rd group didn't feel that insubordinate, one that was questioning the authority and title of the Demon Lord was i.e. why she is even in charge kind of thing. For the case of the 3rd, it was like he was the one who pulled the short straw and got an obvious suicide mission. It is entirely a matter of impression. Eh, I guess insubordination isn't quite right. Cowardice would be more accurate. It's clear from the way he was acting that he's a wuss. Really makes one wonder how he got that job in the first place. |
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beast_regards said: Primo_Itoko said: We have the context now but when we read it for the first time we were even more confused than you are since visual clues and some minor changes the anime offers makes some points really easy to figure out. So, you've read the one volume and were forced to wait possibly several months for another, how did you remember everything in detail when a new volume came out? For this series specifically I took notes, but normally I'd just reread the previous volume or two. |
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HEBS721 said: Eh, I guess insubordination isn't quite right. Cowardice would be more accurate. It's clear from the way he was acting that he's a wuss. Really makes one wonder how he got that job in the first place. I interpreted it he got the worst deal, even compared to the assault on the fortress from the 10th episode that held out. |
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