Attack on Titan
| Do plot twists even make a series better honestly???? |
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| Lol, 122 was the chapter that was the worst in whole AoT for me especially with how conveniently Ymir broke away her chains from Eren's talk no jutsu. But then again, it might be my personal preference of what tropes I hate the most xD |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
cchigu said: Lol, 122 was the chapter that was the worst in whole AoT for me especially with how conveniently Ymir broke away her chains from Eren's talk no jutsu. But then again, it might be my personal preference of what tropes I hate the most xD Thats just what she needed to hear. Her whole life and even after her life she served as a slave and always got treated that way, she didn't knew it better. Eren is probably the first person in her whole life who treated her like a human and not like a slave. She never had any chains she could always choose what to do with her powers but she always had a slave mentality. |
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Lumiax said: Yes, that exactly what I don't like and find very convenient and not to mention how she starts dropping tears suddenly and Eren hugging her. The whole moment to me seemed like Isayama was forcefully trying to evoke emotions and telling me to care. Anyway, it is just a personal preference I guess, I hate the drama scenes in general anyway.cchigu said: Lol, 122 was the chapter that was the worst in whole AoT for me especially with how conveniently Ymir broke away her chains from Eren's talk no jutsu. But then again, it might be my personal preference of what tropes I hate the most xD Thats just what she needed to hear. Her whole life and even after her life she served as a slave and always got treated that way, she didn't knew it better. Eren is probably the first person in her whole life who treated her like a human and not like a slave. She never had any chains she could always choose what to do with her powers but she always had a slave mentality. |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
cchigu said: Lumiax said: Yes, that exactly what I don't like and find very convenient and not to mention how she starts dropping tears suddenly and Eren hugging her. The whole moment to me seemed like Isayama was forcefully trying to evoke emotions and telling me to care. Anyway, it is just a personal preference I guess, I hate the drama scenes in general anyway.Thats just what she needed to hear. Her whole life and even after her life she served as a slave and always got treated that way, she didn't knew it better. Eren is probably the first person in her whole life who treated her like a human and not like a slave. She never had any chains she could always choose what to do with her powers but she always had a slave mentality. Yeah sounds like personal preference. Imo its not that far fetched that she drops a tear after being treated like a human for the first time ever and Eren needed to stop her and make her listen to him in some way, so hugging is also not far fetched since he also sympathises with her. Tbh I never saw it as a emotional scene, for me it was just the scene in which Ymir Fritz finally decides on her own and lays down her slave mentality, I never saw anything else in that scene. |
ForsterbombMar 10, 2021 9:24 AM
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| Imagine trying to evoke emotions and shit when telling a story, cringe. I resent Naruto so much for ruining discourse with talk no jutsu crap, can't ever have characters come to a mutual understanding through conversation without someone bringing up that shitty meme. Anyway yeah OP it's a disappointing arc. Unless you count the training corps chapters as a standalone arc, which I don't, then it's the weakest arc of the series for me too. Not necessarily for the reasons you listed, I honestly don't care that we didn't get some sadcore tragic ending, so much as the plotting and execution felt flat and uninspired. Too many questionable writing decisions starting with 126. It's still an ok ending depending on how 139 goes but it could've been so much more than that. |
Mamiya-Takuji said: Imagine trying to evoke emotions and shit when telling a story, cringe. I resent Naruto so much for ruining discourse with talk no jutsu crap, can't ever have characters come to a mutual understanding through conversation without someone bringing up that shitty meme. I feel the same. When characters have a discourse no matter how logical it is, its always "talk no jutsu". Its so annoying! |
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Mamiya-Takuji said: Because there are many fresher ways to evoke emotions and better yet without being heavily dependent on over-the-top dialogues! References: Mizukami Satoshi, Umino Chika, Asano Inio, Akiko Higashimura, Amano Kozue, etc. There was no need to low key mock me xD For me, I see no difference between Naruto's talk no jutsu and what happened in ch 122. But then again, good for you that you can like, appreciate and derive joy out of it.Imagine trying to evoke emotions and shit when telling a story, cringe. I resent Naruto so much for ruining discourse with talk no jutsu crap, can't ever have characters come to a mutual understanding through conversation without someone bringing up that shitty meme. |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
Roger1 said: Lumiax said: I feel the same. When characters have a discourse no matter how logical it is, its always "talk no jutsu". Its so annoying! It’s talk no jutsu cause it wasn’t logical. The talk suddenly allowed the past titan holders to control their titans like why can they even do that and how can zeke control his body again and show up so levi can cut him up. It’s all plot convenience to stop the rumbling and let them win. Yeah I know how stupid it is, that isn't what I was trying to say, I'm just saying stop using the phrase "talk no jutsu" whenever characters have a discourse, its annoying! |
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| 139 will make it kino and you will like it because Isayama says so. |
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| Well I think that the rumbling arc is fine but chapters 71-123 are the best set of chapters in manga history to me, so compared to those, yeah the rumbling arc wasn’t THAT good except for 130-131. Still a masterpiece tho, sadly there aren’t many series that knock the ending out of the park. |
cAbaddonMar 10, 2021 11:07 AM
cchigu said: Mamiya-Takuji said: Because there are many fresher ways to evoke emotions and better yet without being heavily dependent on over-the-top dialogues! References: Mizukami Satoshi, Umino Chika, Asano Inio, Akiko Higashimura, Amano Kozue, etc. There was no need to low key mock me xD For me, I see no difference between Naruto's talk no jutsu and what happened in ch 122. But then again, good for you that you can like, appreciate and derive joy out of it.Imagine trying to evoke emotions and shit when telling a story, cringe. I resent Naruto so much for ruining discourse with talk no jutsu crap, can't ever have characters come to a mutual understanding through conversation without someone bringing up that shitty meme. The OP used it too, I was just venting to the wind. I've read most of the authors you've cited and many of them also utilize conversations to convey drama? It's a very common practice in storytelling across all mediums. If your issue is the style then pretty much all of them are going for completely different tones and types of stories. Nothing wrong with preferring their approaches over AOT but it doesn't mean the latter is bad at what it does. That'd be like saying 1984 is mediocre because it doesn't convey psychological drama as well as Crime and Punishment, or that One Piece is bad at emotional scenes because they're different from Punpun. I don't agree at all that the example in 122 is comparable to the Naruto conversation that birthed the term. One was an enslaved child whose free will and very humanity had been denied for thousands of years since birth, being finally shown empathy and the option to choose by a fellow bearer of the curse; the other was a mass murderer hell-bent on his path of destruction getting pep talked by an enemy kid. They're not remotely similar. Also, nothing wrong with a character convincing another through their words and actions. Mob Psycho 100 pulls it off well. As with anything in storytelling it comes down to execution. cAbaddon said: Still a masterpiece tho, sadly there aren’t many series that knock the ending out of the park. Come to think of it, people are probably overreacting right now. Yeah the arc could be better but it's probably not going to affect the series' reputation too much in the long run. Berserk has been a snoozefest for years and it still holds that ridiculous 9.35 average. AOT will be fine so long as it doesn't shit the bed at 139. |
Mamiya-TakujiMar 11, 2021 4:42 PM
| I actually liked the last arc a lot lol. |
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cchigu said: that moment was funny. I like slaves in entertainment. Watching tears coming is a pleasure but yeah I don't like hugging as no one hugs me. Overall average.Lol, 122 was the chapter that was the worst in whole AoT for me especially with how conveniently Ymir broke away her chains from Eren's talk no jutsu. But then again, it might be my personal preference of what tropes I hate the most xD |
| "I think I wanted to attack something. Like betraying people or hurting people. And, well, it's not exactly nice, but hurting the readers too... In all honestly, I feel that's what I really wanted to do. For me, as a reader, when I think, "this manga will remain in my heart," it means, for example, it phenomenally hurt me: It's those kinds of experiences I'm after." - Pajime Hisayama (My favourite hurting author). |
ManWild said: I actually liked the last arc a lot lol. The question is how do we understand "the last arc", because officially chapters 107-139 are one arc called War for Paradis. Unofficially though many people, including me, like to call chapters 107-122 as War for Paradis arc and chapters 123-139 as the Rumbling arc, because the perspective dramatically changed, being worth of being called as a separate arc. I consider the Rumbling arc as worse than War for Paradis, but story-wise it is of course not the reason I see it as a separate arc, but that change of general perspective on how the story started to be told starting from chapter 123. |
| I thought there was no official separation for any of the arcs? At least that's what the wiki states in the Story Arcs page. Closest thing we got are the titles from the first season of the anime. Unless I'm reading that wrong and they just mean the titles are made up but the chapter thresholds are official. |
| It's definitely not as good as the stuff from Return to Shiganshina to War for Paradis but I like it more than some earlier arcs. I think much of the fanbase has just gotten used to top tier quality after WfP that they've forgotten that something like Trost wasn't perfect either |
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Mamiya-Takuji said: it's because Isayama said we were on the last part of the story years ago, before 123 but during the WfP chapters. I've read through so many Yams interviews for debates and that's where the argument about the final arc is drawn. It means, from Isayama's perspective, that he views the events happening in Paradis after the timeskip up till now are all one story segment from him. I think the reason this doesn't fit is because there's a huge narrative shift starting after 123 and especially after 126 once the Cringevengers are formed.I thought there was no official separation for any of the arcs? At least that's what the wiki states in the Story Arcs page. Closest thing we got are the titles from the first season of the anime. Unless I'm reading that wrong and they just mean the titles are made up but the chapter thresholds are official. |
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| The manga was a 9/10 for me in the beginning now 5/10 |
| It was going good until stupid avengers arc. Yams really needs to stop watching hollywood. |
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| I've done a re-read of all the rumbling arc chapters and they're more than fine besides how rushed chapter 126 was, 130-131 are some of the best chapters in manga history, and to be honest the alliance is developed well enough, only the softness to Annie bothers me. But it's in the final fight since the moment that the shifters of the past appear that you can see the difference in planning compared to what we got in the past. The RtS battle is one of the best I've seen because everything that happens has weight, goes by the established rules, and every little victory is gained by inmense sacrifice, while in this final fight things happen way too conveniently in the alliance way. But I predict that this arc will be greatly benefited by the anime adaptation. The anime pacing, voice acting, ost and spectacle will do wonders for it |
cAbaddonMar 12, 2021 4:15 AM
| If the last chapter will go in this way https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1904267 Then it can atleast make the arc somewhat better |
Nyess_Mar 12, 2021 4:28 AM
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Jabungus said: Honestly, only thing that really bothers me, is the past shifters suddenly helping, it's not been explained why they were suddenly not under Ymir's control, need to know what the fuck Ymir and Eren have been thinking this entire time. I thought that was weird too. A strength of AoT was how it managed to mix fantasy and realism in such an appealing and exciting way. Roger1 said: Kaliyahscake said: Do plot twists even make a series better honestly???? Depends I guess. Like in Code Geass, the ending twist made it better. Yes I think they do, if it's well done like AoT. cAbaddon said: Well I think that the rumbling arc is fine but chapters 71-123 are the best set of chapters in manga history to me, so compared to those, yeah the rumbling arc wasn’t THAT good except for 130-131. Still a masterpiece tho, sadly there aren’t many series that knock the ending out of the park. I agree |
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| Attack on Titan went downhill from the moment that Miche died. |
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| I binged all remaining chapters after watching episode 12 and I actually enjoyed it. Can't deny some of the criticism presented here and there, but it just didn't bother me as much. Yeah, it could have been better, but I still don't think it was THAT bad. |
| imo the last arc is amazing so far only thing that threw me off is the titan shifters coming back to fight against eren. |
cchigu said: Lol, 122 was the chapter that was the worst in whole AoT for me especially with how conveniently Ymir broke away her chains from Eren's talk no jutsu. But then again, it might be my personal preference of what tropes I hate the most xD Man do you guys expect people to not talk with the opposing side anymore ? Ymir wasn't a villian she just was a slave , how the fuck is that talk no jutsu ? Y'all learned one term and never shut up since |
| Reading the Rumbling arc so far has been like watching a speedy train moves forward while stringing mannequins dressed as the characters you know and love. Everyone becomes a slave (heh) to the plot progression, and have their previous characterizations either shredded or left behind along the way. |
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Ruz69 said: Talking random cheesy stuff and suddenly the other side has been brought salvation! Talk no jitsu 101. Also, there is no point in arguing over my preferences and opinions, I don't think I will change my mind. cchigu said: Lol, 122 was the chapter that was the worst in whole AoT for me especially with how conveniently Ymir broke away her chains from Eren's talk no jutsu. But then again, it might be my personal preference of what tropes I hate the most xD Man do you guys expect people to not talk with the opposing side anymore ? Ymir wasn't a villian she just was a slave , how the fuck is that talk no jutsu ? Y'all learned one term and never shut up since |
| "Life is too bitter, so coffee, at least should be sweet..." - Hikigaya Hachiman (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatte Iru) |
Roger1 said: NobitaSugoi said: "Aot fanboys", >> Goes to rant about why Chad ereh didn't win, yeah. I can see where the salt is coming from. At least not the real face of these so called "fans" can be exposed. Keep coping while rest of the fandom actually enjoys the ending. lol you don’t get the point. He didn’t win cause of bs reasons. Well, aot is only 8.74 for a reason anyway. You’re probably one of those saying it’s a MaStErPiEcE yeah? I would say that reason of the score is the reception to the first arcs when the art was pretty damn bad, the score has gone from 8.50something to 8.74 in the last year, I mean, just look at the 9.11 of the S3P2 and the 9.15 of the Final Season, I would bet money that the Final Season Part 2 will be above 9 too. |
Jabungus said: cAbaddon said: I would say that reason of the score is the reception to the first arcs when the art was pretty damn bad, the score has gone from 8.50something to 8.74 in the last year, I mean, just look at the 9.11 of the S3P2 and the 9.15 of the Final Season, I would bet money that the Final Season Part 2 will be above 9 too. Yeah, if you go look at the most recent ratings on the manga, about 2/3 of the ratings are 10s, and the rest are 9s and 8s with the occasional low score, the rating is dragged down by scores from the season 1 era back in 2013. 10´s and 1´s have inscreased since chapter 137. 1/3 of 1´s are from after chapter 137 |
Jabungus said: The 10s far outnumber the 1s though, if you go look at the first 10 pages, there are dozens of 10s and only a few 1s. https://myanimelist.net/manga/23390/Shingeki_no_Kyojin/stats?m=all#members Whats the point? I am just saying that 1´s are not from 2013. There are loyal fans giving 1´s in form of protest. They dont come from haters or because the art is bad. |
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