| Agreed on the biology part. The guy previously died and got reincarnated into a different body. This new body is no longer him, it's a new person with different parents, DNA, etc. The only thing binding him to his old body is his memory. One's age is not defined by memories or mental age. It's totally different from someone who just got transported into another world. Reincarnation doesn't accumulate age from previous life to the other. People are mad that the anime is supporting Rudeus's actions by not punishing him enough. Which is wrong, the anime is in no way supporting his action because obviously he gets slapped and gets judged. Even if it's played as a comedy, it isn't trying to support his actions. The audience is expected to know that it's bad. The anime doesn't need to point out such obvious things. But apparently it is not as obvious as it seemed because people are falsely accusing the show for supporting pedophilia because the anime went semi-passive about the topic by not clearly showing that bad = evil. Another thing that needs to be pointed out is that it's a fantasy world with a medieval setting. Of course these characters will have a slightly different moral standard than us. For something outrageous like stealing a young girl panties might sounds awfully lawless to us, it might not sounds as terrible in their world. 6 episodes in and the people don't seem to mind decapitation and are willing to sell sex-related product to children. They clearly have another moral standard than us, so it should be expected that they treat Rudeus's action more lightly than we would. However, not taking into consideration the details of the story mislead people into thinking the show has bad morals or that the people enjoying this anime are enjoying it for the fantasizes. |
| THANK YOU!!!! SOMEONE WITH FUCKING BRAIN CELLS!!!!! I am not gonna deny Rudy's action were gross and abhorrent regardless of how physically or mentally old he is. However, to act like the entire show is shit because of this minuscule aspect is moronic. There are legitimately good parts of this show but to have such extreme tunnel vision to the point all to those good parts don't matter because of one flaw is ridiculous. I don't like the fanservice in this show either but it isn't bad because of it. Also saying that people support pedophila and sexual assault because they like show with those themes is retarded. It just reinforce the growing fact that those two terms are becoming buzzwords and weakening the meaning of them. |
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RudeusLamperouge said: Episode 6 of Mushoku Tensei has brought the dilemma of Rudeus's mental age to the forefront of debate after a particularly abhorrent scene. Regardless of Rudeus's age, what he did to Eris is OBJECTIVELY wrong. However, many have said that a true 7 year old could be excused from such a behavior (or rather, would never partake in such behavior) because they would not know any better. While I could agree with this point, unfortunately many people have completely given up on the show and given up on Rudeus because of this idea. We all have every right to hate the actions that Rudeus took, and anyone upset by this scene is not just a SJW for being upset. However, I do believe that the entire show is NOT irredeemable because of this moral dilemma. I am here today to put Rudeus's age into a slightly different lens in an attempt to defend the show, but NOT the actions that Rudeus has taken. At 34 years old, Rudeus died in his past life as a fully grown male. When he dies, as we already know he is reincarnated as a baby. This is right where the perspective of Rudeus begins to change. When he's reborn he still sees himself as a 34 year old guy, but as you begin to age you will inevitably start to see yourself as a little kid, DESPITE your mental age. This is important to my point. By the time he is 7 years old he is very far removed from his past life and he absolutely subconsciously sees himself as 7 year old Rudeus, rather than a 34 year old NEET. My point is this: Rudeus has a combined age of 41 physical years, but this does not make him a 41 year old man in neither a physical NOR a mental state. Would being a baby / child for 7 years decrease your mental age / maturity? I believe so, and this is a question you should confront before you give up on this great show. Through a different lens: Lets assume that Rudeus is NOT a reincarnated person, and instead he is actually born (with no memories) to a race of humanoids that ages much slower than normal humans. After 41 years of life he has physically aged as much as a 7 year old human. Does this change your perspective at all? A couple counter-arguments to this could be: "that's different because his brain would still be the brain of a child" or "He would likely be ignorant of adult concepts / adult sexuality if this were the case". First of all, the current Rudeus's brain IS the brain of the child, but with the memories of a NEET. It doesn't really make sense, but that's where we have to separate fact from fiction here. More importantly: what if, after 41 years of being alive, he DID understand the concept of these 'adult topics'? Would it then be inappropriate for him to date anybody except those who have aged 41 years? Including humans? No. The point here is this: I firmly believe that physical age matters more than mental age (which is already fuzzy as it is) when it comes to the thoughts and choices of Rudeus BECAUSE of the way he looks AND views himself -- as 7 year old Rudeus, and not as a 34 year old NEET. This post is mainly directed towards those who are upset / appalled by the moral complications of Rudeus as a character. I will NOT defend his actions, but I will defend the concept behind him and the show. Please, try to consider the points I've made and give this show another shot. Now let's all have CIVIL and considerate conversations in the forum. I'm going to stands with my previous theory, from what I know Rudy in his previous life haven't matured properly. Despite of him being an old man in the previous life he still act like a horny teenager because he secluded himself for decades. Mentally he was never an adult to begin with and you can call his previous self as man child for sure. Added to having only anime and games as his only source of social interaction he never become a typical person who have the same mental and physical age. After he died this problems of his also got carried away, and in his 2nd life for some unknown reason he was given a chance to grow mature properly this time. From what we have seen in episode 2-6 we have been shown that he tried his best despite few moments he failed to do so. |
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| I think the simple explanation fits best here. Rudeus in his old life was a degenerate lolicon as he admitted with Sylphiette unpantying scene. Is the mc a pedo? Yeah. Will he get away with it. Yeah (middle ages were very different). To outsiders looking at Rudeus he is a kid. I imagine Rudeus had a full reincarnation from his previous life so his mental age just continues to advance, but he will still get treated based on his appearance. |
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Kary88 said: I don't really care if haters drop the series or not, so long as they shut up about it That's not going to happen anytime soon seeing how popular this show is, you just need to learn to ignore it and learned to enjoy it for what it has to offer. |
Kary88 said: They aren't gonna do that because they have nothing better to do and hate boners the size of skyscrapers XD.I don't really care if haters drop the series or not, so long as they shut up about it |
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RudeusLamperouge said: Wow this is actually really well thought out. As someone who has read the novel, I never thought of him as an adult. So these controversies came as a surprise to me.Episode 6 of Mushoku Tensei has brought the dilemma of Rudeus's mental age to the forefront of debate after a particularly abhorrent scene. Regardless of Rudeus's age, what he did to Eris is OBJECTIVELY wrong. However, many have said that a true 7 year old could be excused from such a behavior (or rather, would never partake in such behavior) because they would not know any better. While I could agree with this point, unfortunately many people have completely given up on the show and given up on Rudeus because of this idea. We all have every right to hate the actions that Rudeus took, and anyone upset by this scene is not just a SJW for being upset. However, I do believe that the entire show is NOT irredeemable because of this moral dilemma. I am here today to put Rudeus's age into a slightly different lens in an attempt to defend the show, but NOT the actions that Rudeus has taken. At 34 years old, Rudeus died in his past life as a fully grown male. When he dies, as we already know he is reincarnated as a baby. This is right where the perspective of Rudeus begins to change. When he's reborn he still sees himself as a 34 year old guy, but as you begin to age you will inevitably start to see yourself as a little kid, DESPITE your mental age. This is important to my point. By the time he is 7 years old he is very far removed from his past life and he absolutely subconsciously sees himself as 7 year old Rudeus, rather than a 34 year old NEET. My point is this: Rudeus has a combined age of 41 physical years, but this does not make him a 41 year old man in neither a physical NOR a mental state. Would being a baby / child for 7 years decrease your mental age / maturity? I believe so, and this is a question you should confront before you give up on this great show. Through a different lens: Lets assume that Rudeus is NOT a reincarnated person, and instead he is actually born (with no memories) to a race of humanoids that ages much slower than normal humans. After 41 years of life he has physically aged as much as a 7 year old human. Does this change your perspective at all? A couple counter-arguments to this could be: "that's different because his brain would still be the brain of a child" or "He would likely be ignorant of adult concepts / adult sexuality if this were the case". First of all, the current Rudeus's brain IS the brain of the child, but with the memories of a NEET. It doesn't really make sense, but that's where we have to separate fact from fiction here. More importantly: what if, after 41 years of being alive, he DID understand the concept of these 'adult topics'? Would it then be inappropriate for him to date anybody except those who have aged 41 years? Including humans? No. The point here is this: I firmly believe that physical age matters more than mental age (which is already fuzzy as it is) when it comes to the thoughts and choices of Rudeus BECAUSE of the way he looks AND views himself -- as 7 year old Rudeus, and not as a 34 year old NEET. This post is mainly directed towards those who are upset / appalled by the moral complications of Rudeus as a character. I will NOT defend his actions, but I will defend the concept behind him and the show. Please, try to consider the points I've made and give this show another shot. Now let's all have CIVIL and considerate conversations in the forum. |
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Kary88 said: I'm gonna coin that term. I used it firstAdimus_prime said: They aren't gonna do that because they have nothing better to do and hate boners the size of skyscrapers XD. Hate boner XD Omg, I will use that from now on |
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RudeusLamperouge said: Episode 6 of Mushoku Tensei has brought the dilemma of Rudeus's mental age to the forefront of debate after a particularly abhorrent scene. Regardless of Rudeus's age, what he did to Eris is OBJECTIVELY wrong. However, many have said that a true 7 year old could be excused from such a behavior (or rather, would never partake in such behavior) because they would not know any better. While I could agree with this point, unfortunately many people have completely given up on the show and given up on Rudeus because of this idea. We all have every right to hate the actions that Rudeus took, and anyone upset by this scene is not just a SJW for being upset. However, I do believe that the entire show is NOT irredeemable because of this moral dilemma. I am here today to put Rudeus's age into a slightly different lens in an attempt to defend the show, but NOT the actions that Rudeus has taken. At 34 years old, Rudeus died in his past life as a fully grown male. When he dies, as we already know he is reincarnated as a baby. This is right where the perspective of Rudeus begins to change. When he's reborn he still sees himself as a 34 year old guy, but as you begin to age you will inevitably start to see yourself as a little kid, DESPITE your mental age. This is important to my point. By the time he is 7 years old he is very far removed from his past life and he absolutely subconsciously sees himself as 7 year old Rudeus, rather than a 34 year old NEET. My point is this: Rudeus has a combined age of 41 physical years, but this does not make him a 41 year old man in neither a physical NOR a mental state. Would being a baby / child for 7 years decrease your mental age / maturity? I believe so, and this is a question you should confront before you give up on this great show. Through a different lens: Lets assume that Rudeus is NOT a reincarnated person, and instead he is actually born (with no memories) to a race of humanoids that ages much slower than normal humans. After 41 years of life he has physically aged as much as a 7 year old human. Does this change your perspective at all? A couple counter-arguments to this could be: "that's different because his brain would still be the brain of a child" or "He would likely be ignorant of adult concepts / adult sexuality if this were the case". First of all, the current Rudeus's brain IS the brain of the child, but with the memories of a NEET. It doesn't really make sense, but that's where we have to separate fact from fiction here. More importantly: what if, after 41 years of being alive, he DID understand the concept of these 'adult topics'? Would it then be inappropriate for him to date anybody except those who have aged 41 years? Including humans? No. The point here is this: I firmly believe that physical age matters more than mental age (which is already fuzzy as it is) when it comes to the thoughts and choices of Rudeus BECAUSE of the way he looks AND views himself -- as 7 year old Rudeus, and not as a 34 year old NEET. This post is mainly directed towards those who are upset / appalled by the moral complications of Rudeus as a character. I will NOT defend his actions, but I will defend the concept behind him and the show. Please, try to consider the points I've made and give this show another shot. Now let's all have CIVIL and considerate conversations in the forum. I also want to mention stuff by @hazarddex about Theseus paradox. It's so pivotal to reincarnation story and I really like that this stuff has been discussed by philosopher for century. If we want to get deeper into this stuff I doubt we would ever found the "real answer" seeing many of the stuff that has been added in the discussion so far got influenced by subjective view. It's nice though that people are more aware of this thought experiment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus |
| There are a few glaring issues with this theory when applied to this show, but it can probably make sense in other works. 1. You mention that "By the time he is 7 years old he is very far removed from his past life and he absolutely subconsciously sees himself as 7 year old Rudeus, rather than a 34 year old NEET.", But in fact, the exact opposite of this is highlighted in the show. From his behavior with his family and learning capacity, to him sometimes commenting on things as if he's viewing the world from a third person perspective, to people around him becoming aware of his oddness (biggest example: the maid), and the biggest of all, him thinking with his 34 yo voice(No, it is clearly not just a stylistic choice). I'm sure there are other examples, but as you can see, he is STILL in the progress of being immersed. Not very convincing 7 year old behavior. 2. "Would being a baby / child for 7 years decrease your mental age / maturity?" This is an interesting idea, and after thinking for a good 2 minutes I arrived at: Yes, but it would probably largely depend on what kind of environment you were brought up in, but leaving that aside, the real issue is, would it decrease your mental age ENOUGH for this to be justified? Based on the behavior previously mentioned as well as how the scene itself was constructed (There's plenty of this on the episode discussion and the other Eris scene analysis thread thingy) the answer is a no beyond doubt. 3. "Lets assume that Rudeus is NOT a reincarnated person, and instead he is actually born (with no memories) to a race of humanoids that ages much slower than normal humans. After 41 years of life he has physically aged as much as a 7 year old human. Does this change your perspective at all?" This hypothetical is interesting, but a bit lacking in detail to make appropriate judgement. If we assume that his body only LOOKS as if it aged as much as a 7 year old, but has a sex drive and a developed brain, then no, it does not change my perspective at all. In fact, you don't need to go into fantasy, because there are already some adults that look way younger and underdeveloped than how old they actually are, whether it is solely due to genes or because of some syndromes etc. No, it is not* pedophiliac to be attracted to them. The reasons why pedophilia is considered bad and vilified, is because kids with underdeveloped brains can't and don't understand what they're consenting to, in addition to a plethora of psychological issues. So mental maturity is the main component, the physical comes second. But maturity and brain development is not easy to measure, so it is best left to an age where by that time, by expected experiences and environment, they'll be almost always guaranteed to have matured enough, which is called the age of consent. *edit: made an error, fixed it lol |
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| What i pointed before: In the best analogy, Rudeus (mind) is like a gamer playing with Rudeus kid and following the rules of the game. - Rudeus gamer can't interact with bigger girls, even if he in fact is an adult gamer, like for exame that hot furry maids (lol) from the manour or even Ghislaine because in the game he is a prepubescent kid. In the game. - When the playable character Rudeus gets older, so he will follow this change of setting and be allowed to grab the tits and underwear of bigger girls when they are sleeping. By the rules of the game, lol. |
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| I appreciate you not attacking the other side for thinking differently (like basically 99% of people here does, including some in this very thread). And instead simply give your own opinion. Now while I may not agree with you, I do still think you bring up valid points. I think the main issue that a lot of people have is that the show itself is at fault for not making this clear. Meaning it's 100% up to the viewers interpretation. And what makes it more difficult is that we can't really compare it to reality. We don't know what would happen if a 30+ year old man gets reincarnated into a baby. We can speculate sure, but we can't actually know for sure. And this is why there's such a divide, people interpret it differently. And again, I think this is very much the fault of the show for not making it clearer. Sometimes he acts like a baby, sometimes he acts like a grown adult. It's quite inconsistent. I do believe like you do, that if one were to be inside the body of a child, your mentality would start to regress. But I don't believe it's to the extent you're painting it to be. |
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| I'm sorry but I can't understand some points or I should say I'm unable to connect them: 1) "but as you begin to age you will inevitably start to see yourself as a little kid, DESPITE your mental age." What exactly is this suppose to mean..? This doesn't apply irl except when someone is mentally not healthy or when they act childish infront of others for fun. 2) "When he's reborn he still sees himself as a 34 year old guy, " Yes, absolutely correct. 3)"By the time he is 7 years old he is very far removed from his past life and he absolutely subconsciously sees himself as 7 year old Rudeus, rather than a 34 year old NEET." You just contridicted point 2. The show clearly doesn't try to hide the fact that he acts like a matured person , he only acts like a child for the sake of acting like a 7 year old child. 4)"Rudeus has a combined age of 41 physical years, but this does not make him a 41 year old man in neither a physical NOR a mental state." What does this even means?? His "physical appearance" DOESN'T matter in this show. His actions are what matters. 5)" Would being a baby / child for 7 years decrease your mental age / maturity? I believe so, and this is a question you should confront before you give up on this great show." Maturity is NOT COMPLETELY age dependent. It comes from previous experiences. One's age only determines how long you have lived physically It's just a number. How wise/mature you are doesn't depends on your age. Now when I say 'not completely' I mean that age has some effect on the mind , ONLY because our brain is still developing. There are cases which children whose intelligence are on another level cause their brains are well developed AND they ACT matured. BUT, intelligence and maturity are again two different things. However, this isn't the case with Rudeus. He's matured , quite intelligent but because of his pedophilic mind he acts like a paedophile. 6) "Through a different lens: Lets assume that Rudeus is NOT a reincarnated person, and instead he is actually born (with no memories) to a race of humanoids that ages much slower than normal humans. After 41 years of life he has physically aged as much as a 7 year old human. Does this change your perspective at all?" Yes, it would have changed my perspective IF this series tried to show that what he's doing is because he's mentally 7 year old 'normal child'. 7) "More importantly: what if, after 41 years of being alive, he DID understand the concept of these 'adult topics'? Would it then be inappropriate for him to date anybody except those who have aged 41 years? Including humans? No." This is an interesting question. If there's a 7 year old who completely understand the concept of these 'adult topics' then YES, it would be awkward if he dated a minor(if that's what you mean by not dating a 41 year old) BUT I will agree with you and say no, it wouldn't be 'inappropriate' for him. 8) "The point here is this: I firmly believe that physical age matters more than mental age (which is already fuzzy as it is) when it comes to the thoughts and choices of Rudeus BECAUSE of the way he looks AND views himself -- as 7 year old Rudeus, and not as a 34 year old NEET. " I disagree , Mental age matters more since this is what driving this story and especially Rudeus's actions. No, he doesn't view himself as a 7 year old, but as 34 year old who has peso tendicies and is just taking his 7 year old 'appearance' as an advantage to fulfill his lust. 9)"Now let's all have CIVIL and considerate conversations in the forum." Great attempt but imo fans are overanalyzing this situation with Rudeus , what he does can't be justified. I also think people should consider giving Rudeus a chance but more importantly this story to develop and jmtry to jusdge the plot first and then the characters. If Rudeus is what making it unbearable to watch then it would be good to drop this show. If you ask why I'm watching this, its because I want to see were the story goes and I'm separating the characters from the plot. The story is titled "Jobless Reincarnation: I Will Seriously Try If I Go To Another World". So I'm expecting Rudeus to 'seriously try" to change himself and correct his past mistakes. |
| Just no. The story makes it clear he is mentally an adult. He literally says he's in his 40's now at some point (reincarnated at 34). If you want to defend the show stop being such a tool when in every episode we are reminded he's playing everyone around him by hiding his adult knowledge. Wait, I mean, HIDING HE'S ACTUALLY AN ADULT JAPANESE MAN WHO'S CONCIOUSNESS GOT TRANSPORTED INTO A BABY BEING BORN IN A FANTASY WORLD. Yohanlie said: I got another clue When rudeus get more older His preference girl will become older too He never interested with girl below his age Even he was big boobs lover Try calcukate this in theory about mental age and how hia biological affecting his mentality too Oh sweet summer child. If only the first episode didn't show him jacking off to literal child porn. Apparently in the LN it even was his own niece he recorded at the pool or something. |
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| No worries weeb folk, Rudeus will try seriously from now onwards: Spoiler Scenes from the Manga about Rudeus Behaviour: .: watch on your own discretion :. |
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Kaasfondue said: Just no. The story makes it clear he is mentally an adult. He literally says he's in his 40's now at some point (reincarnated at 34). If you want to defend the show stop being such a tool when in every episode we are reminded he's playing everyone around him by hiding his adult knowledge. Wait, I mean, HIDING HE'S ACTUALLY AN ADULT JAPANESE MAN WHO'S CONCIOUSNESS GOT TRANSPORTED INTO A BABY BEING BORN IN A FANTASY WORLD. Yohanlie said: I got another clue When rudeus get more older His preference girl will become older too He never interested with girl below his age Even he was big boobs lover Try calcukate this in theory about mental age and how hia biological affecting his mentality too Oh sweet summer child. If only the first episode didn't show him jacking off to literal child porn. Apparently in the LN it even was his own niece he recorded at the pool or something. Does being councious of the fact you were reincarnated as a spider from a human make you a human and not a spider? |
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AnimeLeviathan said: It makes you have human conciousness inside a spider's body. Each thought and action would be that of a human, not a spider. So you would be a human inside a spider's body, not ''human or spider''.Kaasfondue said: Just no. The story makes it clear he is mentally an adult. He literally says he's in his 40's now at some point (reincarnated at 34). If you want to defend the show stop being such a tool when in every episode we are reminded he's playing everyone around him by hiding his adult knowledge. Wait, I mean, HIDING HE'S ACTUALLY AN ADULT JAPANESE MAN WHO'S CONCIOUSNESS GOT TRANSPORTED INTO A BABY BEING BORN IN A FANTASY WORLD. Oh sweet summer child. If only the first episode didn't show him jacking off to literal child porn. Apparently in the LN it even was his own niece he recorded at the pool or something. Does being councious of the fact you were reincarnated as a spider from a human make you a human and not a spider? I think the people going on about ''muh biology'' and pretend to look at it scientifically have a very poor understanding of what they're even watching. I do not even understand where these theories come from. It literally makes 0 sense. Our boy writes notes to himself in Japanese. That should tell you enough about how relevant his biological age and body are in this show when looking at his conciousness. Dude never cried as a baby because he was too busy being horny😂. But OK, keep being snowflakes. I'm done lol. |
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Kaasfondue said: AnimeLeviathan said: It makes you have human conciousness inside a spider's body. Each thought and action would be that of a human, not a spider. So you would be a human inside a spider's body, not ''human or spider''.Does being councious of the fact you were reincarnated as a spider from a human make you a human and not a spider? I think the people going on about ''muh biology'' and pretend to look at it scientifically have a very poor understanding of what they're even watching. I do not even understand where these theories come from. It literally makes 0 sense. Our boy writes notes to himself in Japanese. That should tell you enough about how relevant his biological age and body are in this show when looking at his conciousness. Dude never cried as a baby because he was too busy being horny😂. But OK, keep being snowflakes. I'm done lol. But this "councious" analogy I made doesn't even fit. Because the anime never actually confirmed he is councious of being reborn. Unless they said he is and I missed it. For all you know these could be random memories of a random bum. And he had these memories up until the point said bum died. There is obviously no proof supporting either that he is councious of the reincarnation or that these are random memories from a previous life. |
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AnimeLeviathan said: Kaasfondue said: It makes you have human conciousness inside a spider's body. Each thought and action would be that of a human, not a spider. So you would be a human inside a spider's body, not ''human or spider''. I think the people going on about ''muh biology'' and pretend to look at it scientifically have a very poor understanding of what they're even watching. I do not even understand where these theories come from. It literally makes 0 sense. Our boy writes notes to himself in Japanese. That should tell you enough about how relevant his biological age and body are in this show when looking at his conciousness. Dude never cried as a baby because he was too busy being horny😂. But OK, keep being snowflakes. I'm done lol. But this "councious" analogy I made doesn't even fit. Because the anime never actually confirmed he is councious of being reborn. Unless they said he is and I missed it. For all you know these could be random memories of a random bum. And he had these memories up until the point said bum died. There is obviously no proof supporting either that he is councious of the reincarnation or that these are random memories from a previous life. Yes you missed it. Rewatch the first episode. Maybe rewatch them all. It's made very clear lol. I don't even know what you people mean by ''memories''. It's his conciousness that controls the child's body, HE IS the child. |
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Kaasfondue said: AnimeLeviathan said: But this "councious" analogy I made doesn't even fit. Because the anime never actually confirmed he is councious of being reborn. Unless they said he is and I missed it. For all you know these could be random memories of a random bum. And he had these memories up until the point said bum died. There is obviously no proof supporting either that he is councious of the reincarnation or that these are random memories from a previous life. Yes you missed it. Rewatch the first episode. Maybe rewatch them all. It's made very clear lol. I don't even know what you people mean by ''memories''. It's his conciousness that controls the child's body, HE IS the child. How do you know this is the case though? Did the writer confirm it? Did the synopsis? Him repeating "im an adult, 34, 40 etc," could also mean thats what he thinks. He thinks hes an adult based on the memories from his past life. This is a flaw with first person writing. Since your not objectively writing you can't confirm nor say certain theories are incorrect without you the writer telling people. Like I said before. It could possible be the memories making him think he was 34 in a past life. But he wasn't actually an adult and got the wrong memories. |
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Adimus_prime said: THANK YOU!!!! SOMEONE WITH FUCKING BRAIN CELLS!!!!! I am not gonna deny Rudy's action were gross and abhorrent regardless of how physically or mentally old he is. However, to act like the entire show is shit because of this minuscule aspect is moronic. There are legitimately good parts of this show but to have such extreme tunnel vision to the point all to those good parts don't matter because of one flaw is ridiculous. I don't like the fanservice in this show either but it isn't bad because of it. Also saying that people support pedophila and sexual assault because they like show with those themes is retarded. It just reinforce the growing fact that those two terms are becoming buzzwords and weakening the meaning of them. I have a question. Can you find "art" of Eris and post it in a Mushoku Tensei thread? |
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AnimeLeviathan said: No because I got banned recently for posting lewd art in bait threads.Adimus_prime said: THANK YOU!!!! SOMEONE WITH FUCKING BRAIN CELLS!!!!! I am not gonna deny Rudy's action were gross and abhorrent regardless of how physically or mentally old he is. However, to act like the entire show is shit because of this minuscule aspect is moronic. There are legitimately good parts of this show but to have such extreme tunnel vision to the point all to those good parts don't matter because of one flaw is ridiculous. I don't like the fanservice in this show either but it isn't bad because of it. Also saying that people support pedophila and sexual assault because they like show with those themes is retarded. It just reinforce the growing fact that those two terms are becoming buzzwords and weakening the meaning of them. I have a question. Can you find "art" of Eris and post it in a Mushoku Tensei thread? |
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Adimus_prime said: AnimeLeviathan said: No because I got banned recently for posting lewd art in bait threads.I have a question. Can you find "art" of Eris and post it in a Mushoku Tensei thread? Well damn. Guess not then. |
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AnimeLeviathan said: Kaasfondue said: Yes you missed it. Rewatch the first episode. Maybe rewatch them all. It's made very clear lol. I don't even know what you people mean by ''memories''. It's his conciousness that controls the child's body, HE IS the child. How do you know this is the case though? Did the writer confirm it? Did the synopsis? Him repeating "im an adult, 34, 40 etc," could also mean thats what he thinks. He thinks hes an adult based on the memories from his past life. This is a flaw with first person writing. Since your not objectively writing you can't confirm nor say certain theories are incorrect without you the writer telling people. Like I said before. It could possible be the memories making him think he was 34 in a past life. But he wasn't actually an adult and got the wrong memories. The writer confirmed it by literally writing the story the way I said it. And yes, the synopsis confirms it as well. Again, his conciousness got transported inside the newborn baby the moment his old body died in the hospital. |
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Kaasfondue said: AnimeLeviathan said: How do you know this is the case though? Did the writer confirm it? Did the synopsis? Him repeating "im an adult, 34, 40 etc," could also mean thats what he thinks. He thinks hes an adult based on the memories from his past life. This is a flaw with first person writing. Since your not objectively writing you can't confirm nor say certain theories are incorrect without you the writer telling people. Like I said before. It could possible be the memories making him think he was 34 in a past life. But he wasn't actually an adult and got the wrong memories. The writer confirmed it by literally writing the story the way I said it. And yes, the synopsis confirms it as well. Again, his conciousness got transported inside the newborn baby the moment his old body died in the hospital. Can you quote the line where the synopsis confirms it. And give an example of when the anime confirmed it? |
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skysurf said: RudeusLamperouge said: 1: When I say he "sees himself as a 7 year old" this idea came from examples of his inner speech. When learning about his mana limit, he commented that he should practice magic more "while he is still young" for example. Also, I believe there was a scene where he looks into a reflection, and his vision transitions from him seeing the reflection of his past life to seeing the Rudeus he is today. I thought that was a nice example. HOWEVER, I have absolutely NO rebuke to your point about him still thinking with the voice of a 34 year old NEET. This is a very strong point on your part, and one that I have desperately wanted them to correct within the show. When I read the light novels, I always envisioned the thoughts from the POV of a little kid, because that is what he is described as. I hope that they switch from his NEET voice eventually. Regardless, I can see the flaw with this point now, well done. Even if you want to ignore the old man voice and think of it as an anime mistake that needs to be fixed, there are simply many other aspects of the story that the author wrote to make people understand that MC has adult thinking. Denying or ignoring them is like trying to stop the Niagara waterfalls with your hands. Just from the top of my head (others have mentioned additional details already), remember how he thinks his parents are younger than him ever since he was reborn in the new world? Remember how other characters point out that he doesn't behave like a normal kid? (he doesn't cry, he's into pervert stuff with panties and boobs, etc). That means that even external characters (who cannot read/hear his inner monologues like the audience) have the feeling that he's not a normal kid (which is obvious to the reader). The author wrote such details for a reason. Unless you think 6-7 years old children are naturally into sexually harassing other children....... The fact that he has adult thinking in the body of a child is like the very basic foundation of the whole story, that honestly you don't know what to think of people coming up with all kinds of fan fiction theories trying to go against what the author wanted for his fantasy story... is it to feel better about uncomfortable morale aspects they wish the story didn't have? 6-7 don't natrually sexually harass people. Everything your saying is assuming that his concious got transfered from his old self to his new self(Rudy). Which the author never came out and said is true, we just assume its true. For all we know that could be memories from a random bum that has no relation at all. But it makes Rudy think that, that bum is himself because of the memories, knowledge, etc. Obviously, even if he isn't a pedohphile its still sexual harassment. But we don't even know if sexual harassment is a bad thing or illegal in that world. |
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AnimeLeviathan said: Kaasfondue said: The writer confirmed it by literally writing the story the way I said it. And yes, the synopsis confirms it as well. Again, his conciousness got transported inside the newborn baby the moment his old body died in the hospital. Can you quote the line where the synopsis confirms it. And give an example of when the anime confirmed it? for it to end in a tragic accident. But in a twist of fate, he awakens in another world as Rudeus Greyrat, starting life again as a baby born to two loving parents. Preserving his memories and knowledge from his previous life, Rudeus quickly adapts to his new environment. With the mind of a grown adult, As Rudeus' second chance at life begins, he tries to make the most of his new opportunity while conquering his traumatic past. And from the author adressing his pervertedness There are a lot of people who can't accept how in Mushoku Tensei, the protagonist remains a pervert even after he reincarnates. It's the same in the original work. But it's not as if he has loads of regrets about being a pervert in his previous life. That's why in the isekai he doesn't necessarily think, "I'm going to live life seriously! That also means stop being a perv!" Tentatively speaking, in the original work, he's 100% a perv and 0% serious at the point when he is born. When he decides to "live life seriously," it settles down to 20% perv and 80% serious, but since the anime doesn't include that moment of change, the perv ratio feels bigger compared to the original work. I also think that when he did that to Roxy's panties, he still wasn't acculturated in the other world, and he half-perceived people other than himself as something like video game characters. I kind of think that he still wasn't aware of them as other people living their own lives. His understanding of other people goes up at the end of episode 2 and in episode 3, so look forward to it! I think that as his level of understanding goes up, he will do less criminal actions and other things that ignores other people's feelings. However, his fundamental nature as a perv won't change, so if you're one of those people who think that being a pervert in and of itself is bad, I hope you don't sweat it too much! In other tweets, Rifujin na Magonote also addressed the need to depict the darkness in Rudeus' previous life, saying that "One of the concepts of Mushoku Tensei is that when you reincarnate into another world, you'll face many similar dilemmas from the previous world (particularly relating to human relationships), so to people who think, 'He's going to redo life when he reincarnates, right? (lol) Ouch,' I hope you also keep watching the anime." You must be trolling me right? Just rewatch the first 5 minutes of episode 1 and read the subtitles. |
KaasfondueFeb 18, 2021 11:31 AM
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