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MironBiron said:

MAQS said:
Technically, part 2 could be everything after ch 122

Which means part 1 has to adapt 32 ch in 16 eps

At that pace we will have declaration of war in ep 5....

Nah. Part 1 could end on Chapter 119 too.

Two chapters per episode is actually fine (Midnight Sun for example, adapted 83 and 84 —two dialogue heavy chapters— perfectly) but not all the time.

We still haven’t gotten the episode count confirmed though, but my best bet is 29 chapters in 16 episodes, that way we can have some slower eps in-between.

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however I find the obsession for the aesthetic of a series they have ( and a lot of people here too ) so detrimental overall, you can have a inconsistent and average animated series and it can still be one of the greatest series of all time, case in point Legend of the Galactic Heroes.

Word!!!!!

I don’t think LOGH is that inconsistent though, aside from the remastered scenes (is there an actual version that doesn’t have them?), it’s one of the finest directed series that I know of. (Excuse me for going off-topic here but I’m always ready to talk about LOGH, lol.)

You are a individual of culture.

And LOGH is such a good example because of how limited the animation is and how jarring the newer footage looks compared with the old.

There a bunch of people who complain about those sort of thing all the time in many series, animation itself is the biggest focal point.

Granted, almost everything else is very good in LOGH, the art style is divine, the cinematography too, the music, acting etc...and the writing is truly one of the best and probably my favorite.

Only AOT in terms of manga compares to LOGH, lets hope the anime will too...

Nov 25, 2020 2:18 AM

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MAQS said:
Only AOT in terms of manga compares to LOGH, lets hope the anime will too...

I agree with this statement a 1000%. I will always place the two (LoGH and AoT) next to one another, and I still hope that The Final Season will become one of my favorite things of all time, just like the manga did.

Nov 25, 2020 2:44 AM

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berutoruto said:
so is that OD trolling with us or she doesn't know theres a part 2? if it weren't for her tweet no one would fall prey to that 2chan post duh

maybe she doesn't know abt Part 2 like spy and eslam?

Nov 25, 2020 2:51 AM

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Krugerman said:

berutoruto said:
so is that OD trolling with us or she doesn't know theres a part 2? if it weren't for her tweet no one would fall prey to that 2chan post duh

maybe she doesn't know abt Part 2 like spy and eslam?

possible, but didn't someone from sakuga community said something like 16 episodes are all mappa have in production , they have no plans yet for the following part 2...all these leaks info are like contradicting each other

Nov 25, 2020 2:58 AM

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berutoruto said:

Krugerman said:

maybe she doesn't know abt Part 2 like spy and eslam?

possible, but didn't someone from sakuga community said something like 16 episodes are all mappa have in production , they have no plans yet for the following part 2...all these leaks info are like contradicting each other

nah thats not from the sakuga community they rarely do leaks anyway

its one of the leakers and unpopular one if i remember right i cannot find the tweet now must have been deleted by the mods on other threads

Nov 25, 2020 3:01 AM

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berutoruto said:
possible, but didn't someone from sakuga community said something like 16 episodes are all mappa have in production , they have no plans yet for the following part 2...all these leaks info are like contradicting each other

That guy isn't from the sakuga community and he isn't a leaker. He just say what he expects. He literally mentioned this in the first tweet.

Also that question makes zero sense. What would have change if there were a second part and she wasn't aware of it? That's not the discussion here, she clearly didn't like what she saw for the December. It can only mean bad pacing or something like that.

Nov 25, 2020 3:08 AM

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berutoruto said:

Sanic_de_Hegehog said:

Option 6 is not a possibility, since the Chinese animatior mentioned "all this work for an end product of just 20 minutes".

he never mention the end product will only be 20 min, i think he meant that he worked for a year for only 20 minutes of animations to show

He's an episode director, so he's saying that the epsiode he's spent a year directing will be 20 minutes in length, deconfirming double-length episodes for the full season.

If he solo-animated 20 minutes of content throughout the season, that would be a huge deal.

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I must move quickly.

Nov 25, 2020 3:12 AM

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https://twitter.com/uemiko6/status/1331442162307792896?s=19

Is she/he talking about Armour titan for S4?

Nov 25, 2020 3:18 AM

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berutoruto said:

possible, but didn't someone from sakuga community said something like 16 episodes are all mappa have in production , they have no plans yet for the following part 2...all these leaks info are like contradicting each other

found the tweet here https://twitter.com/ExpecTylor/status/1329848839025664010

re-reading this massive thread took me like 20-30 minutes i think to find that tweet

Nov 25, 2020 3:28 AM

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PrasantGrG said:
https://twitter.com/uemiko6/status/1331442162307792896?s=19

Is she/he talking about Armour titan for S4?

idk armored titan should be in ch 92 but since that's done, maybe he/she is talking abt ch 104?

Nov 25, 2020 3:33 AM

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this thread is funny to re-read the roller coaster was something else it goes like

from splt cour rejection to split cour acceptance
from wishing of better animation than the pre-animated PV to acceptance of season 3 average level of quality and consistency

now this pacing issue is the main focus

Nov 25, 2020 3:35 AM

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deg said:
this thread is funny to re-read the roller coaster was something else it goes like

from splt cour rejection to split cour acceptance
from wishing of better animation than the pre-animated PV to acceptance of season 3 average level of quality and consistency

now this pacing issue is the main focus

This whole thing with the final season since the trailer dropped has been the most convoluted and wild anime arc this year, we are only hoping now it doesnt end the way Golden Age arc in Berserk did..

Nov 25, 2020 3:39 AM

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MAQS said:

deg said:
this thread is funny to re-read the roller coaster was something else it goes like

from splt cour rejection to split cour acceptance
from wishing of better animation than the pre-animated PV to acceptance of season 3 average level of quality and consistency

now this pacing issue is the main focus

This whole thing with the final season since the trailer dropped has been the most convoluted and wild anime arc this year, we are only hoping now it doesnt end the way Golden Age arc in Berserk did..

is that the 3DCG Berserk anime? have not seen the Berserk franchise

Nov 25, 2020 3:44 AM

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deg said:

MAQS said:

This whole thing with the final season since the trailer dropped has been the most convoluted and wild anime arc this year, we are only hoping now it doesnt end the way Golden Age arc in Berserk did..

is that the 3DCG Berserk anime? have not seen the Berserk franchise

Oh no, I was talking in terms of story tone, not quality.

Its traumatizing In a good way, ( hey just like AOT ), the same way this season will be for me if it adapts 12 manga volumes in 16 normal length epsiodes...

Nov 25, 2020 3:46 AM

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MAQS said:

deg said:

is that the 3DCG Berserk anime? have not seen the Berserk franchise

Oh no, I was talking in terms of story tone, not quality.

Its traumatizing In a good way, ( hey just like AOT ), the same way this season will be for me if it adapts 12 manga volumes in 16 normal length epsiodes...

ah ok 2 days more before we can hope to get some official info at last

Nov 25, 2020 4:07 AM

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All this negativity makes me confused maybe i sould catch up to the manga instead of ruining both anime and manga for myself anyways worst case december 6th will know what's going on XD.

Nov 25, 2020 4:35 AM

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TolkienFan365 said:

Krugerman said:

TolkienFan365 said:

Krugerman said:

TolkienFan365 said:

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@MironBiron

Wouldn't that force the frustrated fans to buy and read the manga instead? It is very evil but also profitable. I'm not saying it's the case, it just might be.

Even if they had a change of heart in May, they couldn't have done anything about it for better or for worse. That's too late.

Again, these are all possibilities that might happen. I don't want this either.

I guess for the Western community if they just don't pirate it but AOT is pretty tapped at this point in Japan (it's losing still top ten but it use to be consistently a top three seller for the longest time until last year). Of course they will try to squeeze out a bit more but this really feels more like for already established fans of AOT.

In large like I always have said you have contrary leakers and the negative stuff coming out of one is mostly a leaker for Pierrot. If she doesn't have a habitat for guessing for MAPPA I am going to be skeptical.

It's pretty simple just wait for Dec 7th or a new PV (or maybe a delay). Regardless how this turns out I really doubt that many so called leakers actually have that much info. They are playing too coy about it and I guess it's just my bad experiences with Yonkou (still waiting on March S3 buddy) but in large I don't trust them unless they have an established history of calling for specific studios and magazines.

Though if true yeah it's going to be a disaster no matter how well animated the final season is. You can't squeeze all that plot into 16 episodes unless you are spliting it or have film finales. Tokyo Ghoul showed that many production committees could care less how popular it is. So it's a possibility like anything but there isn't more evidence for that than anything else outside of some vague leaker's word.

The thing is AOT commitee have always given us a moe or less good pacing, I doubt they will just suddenly rush final season, that's rly dumb tbh

S3 Part 1 wasn't great (wasn't a fan of those cuts even if intentional). Though this would be on a totally new level. Though again I just don't know if it's actually true. I still wouldn't be shocked by a split cour. Again I am not going to take much from a 2chan post. That said would help if MAPPA actually announced another PV to dispel worries. I am going 50/50 on good/bad adaption.

I mean s3 pacing was still decent but this is another lvl. I don't think they will suddenyl do this when final season has potential to blow up like crazy and boost manga sales to top 3

It won't AOT is done. Like I said before in the thread the sales were down trending even when S3 Part 2 was coming out and that was one of the more climatic arcs. Manga doesn't hit in the top 3 anymore like it has since the blowup and BD sales for last season weren't great (granted streaming is way more important now but no access to that) The fanbase is basically tapped. The story being seen as higher quality isn't going to change that many people who fell off it or weren't interested in it. Plus it's entirely subjective. I personally loved where it went but then again that was due to it catering to my own interests. People that enjoy early AOT for stuff like the survival horror are going to be incredibly turned off with where it goes.

That's why I could buy the whole they are rushing it to finish and be done with it. Maybe you can make money off merch for the final season but that is it. The manga isn't going to say notable increases now. That's the lingering thought back in my head that worries me.

Still it's AOT and even at it's lowest popularity it's still a huge series and yeah like I said you will have merch sales and maybe some small manga short increases. It's still in the top ten. There isn't going to be much though. Again though Tokyo Ghoul was one of the most popular manga out there and look what happened to it? Made in Abyss on the other hand not even close to as popular but an amazing anime adaption. Popularity or possibility for profits don't guarantee anything. OPM is another case of an adaption being botched despite it's popularity.

Its hard for AOT to get top 3 because like 90% of the sales coming from new volumes, and AOT has only 3 of them per year. Others usually have 4 or 5 so it bit impressive that AOT was in the top 3 year after year.

Nov 25, 2020 5:03 AM

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Why would anyone trust leakers lmao. Who makes up the majority of this thread? Teenagers who have nothing to do? Stop believing in leakers. AoT is too big of an anime for MAPPA to miss. They mess up this adaption and their bank balance can kiss goodbye

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Nov 25, 2020 5:04 AM

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ReegrezSNK said:

TolkienFan365 said:

Krugerman said:

TolkienFan365 said:

Krugerman said:

TolkienFan365 said:

SirTristram said:
@MironBiron

Wouldn't that force the frustrated fans to buy and read the manga instead? It is very evil but also profitable. I'm not saying it's the case, it just might be.

Even if they had a change of heart in May, they couldn't have done anything about it for better or for worse. That's too late.

Again, these are all possibilities that might happen. I don't want this either.

I guess for the Western community if they just don't pirate it but AOT is pretty tapped at this point in Japan (it's losing still top ten but it use to be consistently a top three seller for the longest time until last year). Of course they will try to squeeze out a bit more but this really feels more like for already established fans of AOT.

In large like I always have said you have contrary leakers and the negative stuff coming out of one is mostly a leaker for Pierrot. If she doesn't have a habitat for guessing for MAPPA I am going to be skeptical.

It's pretty simple just wait for Dec 7th or a new PV (or maybe a delay). Regardless how this turns out I really doubt that many so called leakers actually have that much info. They are playing too coy about it and I guess it's just my bad experiences with Yonkou (still waiting on March S3 buddy) but in large I don't trust them unless they have an established history of calling for specific studios and magazines.

Though if true yeah it's going to be a disaster no matter how well animated the final season is. You can't squeeze all that plot into 16 episodes unless you are spliting it or have film finales. Tokyo Ghoul showed that many production committees could care less how popular it is. So it's a possibility like anything but there isn't more evidence for that than anything else outside of some vague leaker's word.

The thing is AOT commitee have always given us a moe or less good pacing, I doubt they will just suddenly rush final season, that's rly dumb tbh

S3 Part 1 wasn't great (wasn't a fan of those cuts even if intentional). Though this would be on a totally new level. Though again I just don't know if it's actually true. I still wouldn't be shocked by a split cour. Again I am not going to take much from a 2chan post. That said would help if MAPPA actually announced another PV to dispel worries. I am going 50/50 on good/bad adaption.

I mean s3 pacing was still decent but this is another lvl. I don't think they will suddenyl do this when final season has potential to blow up like crazy and boost manga sales to top 3

It won't AOT is done. Like I said before in the thread the sales were down trending even when S3 Part 2 was coming out and that was one of the more climatic arcs. Manga doesn't hit in the top 3 anymore like it has since the blowup and BD sales for last season weren't great (granted streaming is way more important now but no access to that) The fanbase is basically tapped. The story being seen as higher quality isn't going to change that many people who fell off it or weren't interested in it. Plus it's entirely subjective. I personally loved where it went but then again that was due to it catering to my own interests. People that enjoy early AOT for stuff like the survival horror are going to be incredibly turned off with where it goes.

That's why I could buy the whole they are rushing it to finish and be done with it. Maybe you can make money off merch for the final season but that is it. The manga isn't going to say notable increases now. That's the lingering thought back in my head that worries me.

Still it's AOT and even at it's lowest popularity it's still a huge series and yeah like I said you will have merch sales and maybe some small manga short increases. It's still in the top ten. There isn't going to be much though. Again though Tokyo Ghoul was one of the most popular manga out there and look what happened to it? Made in Abyss on the other hand not even close to as popular but an amazing anime adaption. Popularity or possibility for profits don't guarantee anything. OPM is another case of an adaption being botched despite it's popularity.

Its hard for AOT to get top 3 because like 90% of the sales coming from new volumes, and AOT has only 3 of them per year. Others usually have 4 or 5 so it bit impressive that AOT was in the top 3 year after year.

And still is Volume for Volume the 3rd best selling, it was 2nd until last year when Demon slayer began.

Nov 25, 2020 5:07 AM

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Jacksworn said:
I'm pretty sure the 2chan post is fake. The episode title lengths and kanji don't match up to the Sound Director's sheet.

these weren't ep numbers or titles that whole sheet was just for eps 1

Nov 25, 2020 5:39 AM

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Reminder that the press release states that final season will have 25 min episodes, not double-length episode.
https://www.nhk.or.jp/info/pr/hensei/assets/pdf/2020kokunai_kouki.pdf

Episode 1 being 45 min long could be a chance.
Also, what paolo said about episode 7-9 being Chapter X is still true.

The most probable case is MAPPA had no plans what to do after episode 16, so there's no direct confirmation about split cour/ or the rumors about the season being 16 episodes.

About OD, I think she got to know that either it's getting delayed/Recap episodes or that it's 2 chapters/episode.

Nov 25, 2020 5:52 AM

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ThatShiny_Hex said:
Reminder that the press release states that final season will have 25 min episodes, not double-length episode.
https://www.nhk.or.jp/info/pr/hensei/assets/pdf/2020kokunai_kouki.pdf

Episode 1 being 45 min long could be a chance.
Also, what paolo said about episode 7-9 being Chapter X is still true.

The most probable case is MAPPA had no plans what to do after episode 16, so there's no direct confirmation about split cour/ or the rumors about the season being 16 episodes.

About OD, I think she got to know that either it's getting delayed/Recap episodes or that it's 2 chapters/episode.

What's chapter X? Please no manga spoilers. If ep 7-9 is chapter x, the what is the pacing? Is it good or bad?

Nov 25, 2020 5:57 AM

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Alpha_Druid said:

ThatShiny_Hex said:
Reminder that the press release states that final season will have 25 min episodes, not double-length episode.
https://www.nhk.or.jp/info/pr/hensei/assets/pdf/2020kokunai_kouki.pdf

Episode 1 being 45 min long could be a chance.
Also, what paolo said about episode 7-9 being Chapter X is still true.

The most probable case is MAPPA had no plans what to do after episode 16, so there's no direct confirmation about split cour/ or the rumors about the season being 16 episodes.

About OD, I think she got to know that either it's getting delayed/Recap episodes or that it's 2 chapters/episode.

What's chapter X? Please no manga spoilers. If ep 7-9 is chapter x, the what is the pacing? Is it good or bad?

It was chap104.xx - 105 in 8 and chap106-107.xx in 9

Nov 25, 2020 6:01 AM

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ThatShiny_Hex said:

Alpha_Druid said:

What's chapter X? Please no manga spoilers. If ep 7-9 is chapter x, the what is the pacing? Is it good or bad?

It was chap104.xx - 105 in 8 and chap106-107.xx in 9

Can I have the source? Also, is 2chp/episode good enough pacing for final season according to you? I think it's good enough.

Nov 25, 2020 6:05 AM

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Alpha_Druid said:

ThatShiny_Hex said:

It was chap104.xx - 105 in 8 and chap106-107.xx in 9

Can I have the source? Also, is 2chp/episode good enough pacing for final season according to you? I think it's good enough.

source is @blastITA_ on twitter.
2 chap/ep is bad pacing for dialogue episodes. I think we'll reach 100 in episode 5 and 107 in episode 9 unless there's rearrangement in between.

Nov 25, 2020 6:09 AM

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ThatShiny_Hex said:

Alpha_Druid said:

Can I have the source? Also, is 2chp/episode good enough pacing for final season according to you? I think it's good enough.

source is @blast_ITA on twitter.
2 chap/ep is bad pacing for dialogue episodes. I think we'll reach 100 in episode 5 and 107 in episode 9 unless there's rearrangement in between.

Thanks for the source. Is the source a trusted leaker? Sorry for asking so many questions.

Nov 25, 2020 6:11 AM

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hinako49 said:

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I am truly interested in how average a day like this is for them now....What did they said about Netflix?

well people there are just surprised at the fact that we are taking these rumours so seriously yet we still end up knowing nothing

because we are so eager for news while they are not anouncing a single thing of course we will go to leakers

Nov 25, 2020 6:12 AM

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Alpha_Druid said:

ThatShiny_Hex said:

source is @blast_ITA on twitter.
2 chap/ep is bad pacing for dialogue episodes. I think we'll reach 100 in episode 5 and 107 in episode 9 unless there's rearrangement in between.

Thanks for the source. Is the source a trusted leaker? Sorry for asking so many questions.

He is not a leaker but he has information from you know who. Close mutual on twitter btw.

Nov 25, 2020 6:14 AM

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ThatShiny_Hex said:

Alpha_Druid said:

Thanks for the source. Is the source a trusted leaker? Sorry for asking so many questions.

He is not a leaker but he has information from you know who. Close mutual on twitter btw.

Where does he gets his info from? I don't know who you're talking about.

Nov 25, 2020 6:19 AM

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ThatShiny_Hex said:
2 chap/ep is bad pacing for dialogue episodes.

Midnight Sun and Attack Titan adapted 2 chapters per respective episode as well and both turned out fine.

Nov 25, 2020 6:20 AM

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MironBiron said:

ThatShiny_Hex said:
2 chap/ep is bad pacing for dialogue episodes.

Midnight Sun and Attack Titan adapted 2 chapters per respective episode as well and both turned out fine.

I think hayashi is better in storyboard I think it will be fine if it's 2chapter/episode

Nov 25, 2020 6:23 AM

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Zprotu said:

Netflix notification accidentally confirming the split cour nature of this season? (Part 1 and 2)
Translation from top to bottom: 133 new shows coming to netflix: Attack on titan final season part 1, one piece, and other works!

Source: https://twitter.com/fractl8shingeki/status/1331188780057837569

Yeah, It's gonna be 2 parts. 8 episodes each 😂😂

Sorry, I'll take my leave.

Nov 25, 2020 6:27 AM

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Maybe we gonna get a preview of the first episode at the end of the last recap this Sunday.

Nov 25, 2020 6:40 AM

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Netflix PH (Philippines) also added that it will have a new episode on December 11 but it didn't say anything about season 4 so maybe they are being careful with it after it being accidentally posted? Damn if it really is 16 episodes split into two.... idk it could work. it SHOULD anyway I have faith in Mappa.

p.s. Netflix PH kinda "simulcasts" some anime like Love is War and Fire Force but it was always like 1 week later on an episode.

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MironBiron said:

ThatShiny_Hex said:
2 chap/ep is bad pacing for dialogue episodes.

Midnight Sun and Attack Titan adapted 2 chapters per respective episode as well and both turned out fine.

2 chapters is little bit fast for marley but if they cut the opening like re zero it should be fine

Nov 25, 2020 6:40 AM

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Attackonfiller said:
Seriously, fuck this rollercoaster of a leaks thread. Why do I keep coming back? lmao

lmaooooo fr though

Nov 25, 2020 6:41 AM

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MironBiron said:

ThatShiny_Hex said:
2 chap/ep is bad pacing for dialogue episodes.

Midnight Sun and Attack Titan adapted 2 chapters per respective episode as well and both turned out fine.

I'm not saying it's impossible but it'll be very fast. Chap 91-92 is possible with 2 chapters per episode but I'm sure about chap93-100.
About Attack titan, they didn't animate Ymir's flashback and skipped a couple of Kruger's line with 30 seconds of more footage because of the ending theme.
Midnight sun they managed because of less dialogue and a part of the episode could be seen as action. Also, I don't remember well but it had no opening theme.