Am I the only one who thinks the story was a sh*t ?

Sasori_Nagashi said:

Biggest load of bollocks I've read in my life right here. People aren't pretending to like something to fit in just because their opinion doesn't match your own. More likely than not it's because the people who loved it in yesteryear have moved onto other stuff and the majority of people picking it up this late aren't the audience it was made for.

5layer said:
People picking it up now are more likely to be the audience it was made for because they are specifically seeking out this movie. If anything, more unintended-audience people were picking it up when it was highly rated at 8.7 because they were getting it off the top movies list. While now the unintended audience won't be able to find it so easily.

sunako199 said:
i used to hate this until reality bugged me and thats what the anime is literally about

people nowadays loves something like kimi no na wa which is literally garbage compared to this. this is such a great work of shinkai idk man

if this had happy ending, ill see people praising ffs

5layer said:

There's been a clear shift in the ratio of like:dislike in the discussions over this movie. The people who moved on are irrelevant. Thanks to how forums work, we can see how people felt back then as if they had just watched it now because their messages from back then are all saved just like the people who are posting now for the first time about it.

Moreover, your last statement is total nonsense. People picking it up now are more likely to be the audience it was made for because they are specifically seeking out this movie. If anything, more unintended-audience people were picking it up when it was highly rated at 8.7 because they were getting it off the top movies list. While now the unintended audience won't be able to find it so easily.

EDIT: I think maybe there's been a small misunderstanding. I wasn't referring to the same people from back then changing their opinion now. I was saying people who watched it now found it boring. I think my use of past tense for the current people might've created a misunderstanding here?

I rewrote the sentence to better reflect what I actually meant to say in my original message:

"This movie was almost universally praised 10 years ago when it was rated 8.7 but now it seems there are a huge number of people who can admit that they find it boring since they don't have to pretend that they see the value that other people pretend to see in it."

Hopefully that makes more sense now. It's my bad. I actually didn't realise it could be misunderstood when I wrote it originally.

ka2-don said:
okay I'm late lmao
I can understand why people dislike this tho, it's not your norm of happy shit anime
this anime really and I mean REALLY depicts reality where sometimes things just don't go as smooth as people think. "A love that was never meant to be" would probably be a good phrase to describe this.
Imo this anime was meant to invoke the bittersweet feeling of people who have already grown up to the society. And it might be because I am starting to be an adult that I can appreciate these kinds of anime.
It's like how people said that you need to be an adult to be able to enjoy a black coffee. This was clearly targeted for those kinds of audience and not those who are looking to escape from reality. (Sorry if that's harsh but we all know sometimes we watch anime just to escape from it, no?)

so tl:dr, just get out of your chair, grow up, and just experience the real bittersweet road of life.

oh yeah and if you think this is boring, then that's exactly what reality is. it's full of boredom.

N0_Ragrets said:


so wrong dude...

ever watched clannad after story?
did it had a story?
oh yeah it did.

did it had happy ending?
no that wasn't happy at all.
there are people who give it low score because they loved the show and the ending is like sadistic af.

i think i watched 5 centimeters per second after clannad after story.
because i wanted to watch not happy romance.
because of how great clannad was.

and... what i got was a visual landscape for 60 minutes long.
with no story what so ever.

and suppsedly a "bad ending"
what bad? i dont even remember a thing about the story.
so how can i feel bad or good about it.

so you'r coment is BS.

people who loved this.
are people who enjoy art.
much more then story,

i get it.
you have the right to love art more then story.
you connect with it.
but i do not!

and i got false advertisment.

when people sold it as one of the best romance anime ever!
that legit what was in the top reviews 2 years ago.
i was tricked.

no one said stuff like?
this anime movie is about art!
and it features a romance in it.
but for the most part it revolves around art!

say! iam wrong!
the most time their are silent in the movie.
and you are shown the landscape to feel the emothing the creator want's you to feel.

it for sure not for every body.
and unqiue creations.
that are trully unqiue.

that was sold for the wrong audience would always receive harsh reviews, from those it wasnt made for.

ka2-don said:


Clannad didn't have a happy ending? Now what kind of bs are you spouting lmao

That might be true if the studio ended it on but they didn't, key decided to pull up a
Did you even watch the anime or actually even research it? Heck even without researching it those light orbs that were flying around throughout the anime should give you enough hint already.

This is why i said you need to be more of an adult to actually understand it, because these sad things just happens so often in our life when you reach to that point especially how people are in Japan. Imo this is more of a story where you need to think deeply to actually understand.

N0_Ragrets said:


lol seriously?

the fact that



the movie this one.
is not hardcore is not


the movie is clearly not for everyone.
i dont remember a lot for it.
except the art was nice.

i rememeber that it was supper boring.


my hate for this movie comes to the fact that,
fans tricked me, i was with high expectation, for a story driven movie.
with some nice romance.

and all i got was 50 minutes of a landscape show with some rouge story that was more of a background.

i guess sure some people would love it.
but fans have made false claims about it.

all i saw in the recomendation's
and for my bad luck no bad review's at the time.

was it is the greatest romance ever.
and something like it is the best story ever.

well clrearly the story is non existant.
you must "draw the story you'r self" as you said.


if you love something and you dont want people to hate it.
dont recommend it to the wrong people.

there is tons of anime that are highly rated.
that are probably would not appeal for a lot of people but,
we dont get recommendet to watch it because we love romance. or something.
and this is clrealy not a typical romance story.
its
unique
and for a lot of people in a bad way.


and i about me saying i sound like a 9y old.
sure, and most of the fans here say stuff like
"its masterpiece that only the choosen one can understand"
that is also triggering XD.

its not chosen one, actually if we go in this debate i have watched to much animes so far.

and i even saw this one not as my first one but as maybe around my 200 or so.

also as for haters.
most of the people just watch everything with high score.
in hope for it to be good because the majority likes it,
that why popular stuff get shit, that espacially true if it is popular and tagged to the wrong audience.

i was supper happy seeing this movie dropping by 0.8 score in he few years ( sorry)

ka2-don said:

It would've been better if you had replied like this from the beginning tho as your first reply seriously sounded like you're just some offended 9 year old kid (no offence but i'm serious), now we're talking.

Anyways yeah i understand where you're going at. Idk about the recommendation since i knew this movie based on rumors and never read it but if the recommendation is as what you'd say and i had read it, i'd probably feel the same. That was definitely the recommenders fault.

really tho is there someone saying this is a masterpiece :/ I never thought of this as a masterpiece, never did. It's just a kind of peculiar movie that is out of the norm. It's just that there's a hidden meaning that makoto shinkai probably added which most of people didn't realize as it is quite boring but i'm not gonna debate this too much.

Also i do think about clannad highly as it is a masterpiece imo but as for to hate or not that depends on the people i won't judge them.

I'm not confused on why the ratings got lower, that's just the risk of the movie targetting a specific audience tho no need to be sorry.

This is just my personal opinion but tbh even if i love something i wouldn't get angry if there's someone who hate it. It's their right anyways.

sunako199 said:
i used to hate this until reality bugged me and thats what the anime is literally about

people nowadays loves something like kimi no na wa which is literally garbage compared to this. this is such a great work of shinkai idk man

if this had happy ending, ill see people praising ffs

Luchse75 said:
I completely agree. The story was unbelievably boring and bland.

Ahri-is-cute said:


Story ? was there even one?
There neither story nor plot

ShadowSun89 said:
I agree with most of it. The story and the characters are super boring and it hast nice visuals and music. The only message I've got is, don't try clinge too much on the past and try to let ur love go if it's impossible to keep it up and move on or else you will stuck in the past forever and ur life is over before it's even started. Basically like the girl did who didn't had any story after the first episode, which is a normal decision IRL. They were damn 13 and just hit puberty, experiencing first love is super exciting in this age and ofc it's sad if everything is over in a blink of an eye before it's even really started, but you should let it go and move on even it takes like a few month. It's called gorwing up. But still yearning for the same girl for years, without spenindg any time together? This seems kinda unrealistic to me especially in this age when ur just started beeing a teenager. And the only infos we had is, that they both moved into a new school and fell in love makes it even worse, cause that means they didn't even know each other for that long. Sounds kinda like ur first vacation love when you are a teenager, which can be super sad to depart as well, if it's real love.

ShadowSun89 said:
I agree with most of it. The story and the characters are super boring and it hast nice visuals and music. The only message I've got is, don't try clinge too much on the past and try to let ur love go if it's impossible to keep it up and move on or else you will stuck in the past forever and ur life is over before it's even started. Basically like the girl did who didn't had any story after the first episode, which is a normal decision IRL. They were damn 13 and just hit puberty, experiencing first love is super exciting in this age and ofc it's sad if everything is over in a blink of an eye before it's even really started, but you should let it go and move on even it takes like a few month. It's called gorwing up. But still yearning for the same girl for years, without spenindg any time together? This seems kinda unrealistic to me especially in this age when ur just started beeing a teenager. And the only infos we had is, that they both moved into a new school and fell in love makes it even worse, cause that means they didn't even know each other for that long. Sounds kinda like ur first vacation love when you are a teenager, which can be super sad to depart as well, if it's real love.

badabass said:
Shit or not, i still love the story concept. Thats it. And for the last: F U bitch Akari, and F U too Takaki for being idiot not chasing your Fkin love in the first place!

Thats it okay i get out of here.

SirTristram said:
I always thought Makoto Shinkai as a terrible writer/storyteller. He sometimes comes up with a great story idea with so much potential like this, but he always messes up on the writing and execution. Not the mention he basically writes the same story over and over again, recycling his previous works, just changing a few things and in recent years adding supernatural elements. This is why I'm not much hopeful he'll develop as an writer and create great works in the foreseeable future.

"If you don't like Shinkai then you don't like sad/realistic/mature stories" argument is way off. I precisely don't like him because he can't do justice to this themes which I absolutely love. It is a shame to see a premise like this sucked so hard because he has no idea how to write a truly impactful story with relatable characters and actually realistic plot without plotholes. He relies too much on suspension of disbelief whether he does it intentionally or not. That said, these are my opinions, don't try to attack me if you don't like what I'm saying.

Regardless, this is miles better than Your Name simply with its atmosphere -this is where Shinkai shines, no need to point what everyone knows-. Can't compare with the rest of his works cause didn't watch them.

MSAtlos said:
With a mean score under 8 no you're not the only one.

Ahri-is-cute said:


I posted this 2 years ago , back then it had 8.6 score iirc , and I was mad about that I got baited

MSAtlos said:
Anime score while always fall overtime. Thats just how hype works

Ahri-is-cute said:


The thing is , the movie is pretty old , so it fell harder than usual , most likely because most of newer people who watched came from Kimi no na wa , they wanted something similar and then got this

Ahri-is-cute said:


The thing is , the movie is pretty old , so it fell harder than usual , most likely because most of newer people who watched came from Kimi no na wa , they wanted something similar and then got this

I think that this happens because people watch this movie with wrong kind of expectation.
Some go into it thinking that it will be an easy feel trip, like Clannad or something, others go into it expecting a somewhat conventional love story. It's none of those.

First of all, this movie is one that should be analyzed over and over again, it's genuinely thought provoking, poetic and subtle, a point which is missed by most of the audience focusing on the "love story" aspect of it. This film isn't about love, it's about distance, regrets, and, ultimately, nostalgia. It's not strictly speaking a melodrama, although the director nods to the genre in the ending clip. While some people say that the theme has been done to death, it's the director's take on it that's so appealing.

Another constant complaint is that it is a slow film. It sure is, as it focus on the aesthetic pacing other than the narrative one, a technique inherited from classical Asian cinema (Ozu, Mizuguchi, Tarkovsky), not common to the most "westernized" Japanese directors, such as Kurosawa (with some exceptions, Dersu Uzala comes to my mind) and Miyazaki, which present stories easier to an western audience to like.

It's not an easy film to the common public, specially not the one not used into watching a more minimalist kind of movie, like the people who watch mainly anime movies and/or blockbusters. And I don't think there's a problem with this. This is the kind of movie that will never have universal acclaim within the public if it "goes mainstream" (edit: which it kinda did after Kimi no Na Wa's release), but you can expect it to be present on a list of the best animated movies of our time in some 20 years.

Touniouk said:
Hey it's time for the regular 5cm/s hating thread, yay.

I mean whatever, if you couldn't appreciate this movie that's your loss, but I don't really get your criticism of the story.

Episode 1: A kid falls in love with a girl but they get separated from each other without their relationship having any kind of closure.
Episode 2: Kid is now a teenager and is missing out on his present because he's stuck dwelling on the past, hurting himself and others in the process.
Episode 3: Teenager is an adult now and his first relationship is long gone. The first girl basically forgot about him and is living a great life, she moved on, got engaged and seems pretty happy. On the other hand guy wasted a bunch of years being depressed and having a relationship with someone else that went nowhere, he wonders how or why he let himself get to this point and then gets over the fact that his first relationship is over, never had and never will have any closure and decides to move on and start his life over.

The scene where he gets over it and moves on is the part where you're suppose to have "the feels" because of the bittersweet fact that his first love is over but that for the first time he admits it to himself which enables him to move on.

I wouldn't call the 2nd episode filler since it serves to get into the protagonist's state of mind, it's been a while since ep 1 but he's still dwelling on it to the point where he doesn't even realise what's happening around him or cares about anything else really.

The movie starts when the relationship starts and it ends when the relationship is over for both person involved, isn't that how a romance work? What kind of story where you expecting?

I don't see how her dying would make a better story than her just going out of his life. The result's the same, she's not there anymore and he has to deal with it. The only difference that her going away brings as opposed to her dying is that it feels a lot more grounded and realistic and you get to see the contrast between adult guy who's an empty mess and adult girl who's living the life.

I don't really see how making the movie longer would make it better either, you got all the info you needed from what was there. I guess it could have expended on the first episode so you get more invested in the relationship because that's the focus of the movie, but I didn't really feel like it was necessary since again, it shows you what it needs to. They make a good couple, share a hobby, enjoy spending time together and have really natural conversations, being more open with each other than with other people. They're both invested enough in the relationship to make some good effort to keep it going despite shit not going their way and they realise that they love each other only when they got separated.

Yeas the relationship is just like any normal relationship in real life because that's what it's trying to portray, telling you that it won't always work out, that break ups are natural and that you shouldn't be depressed about it because it just happens, the whole "don't be sad cause it's over, be happy cause it happened" message.

elleveetee said:


BINGO. I think a lot of people miss the point of the movie. The reason why this movie is special to me, is because it isn't special. At some point in life, I've felt everything each main character feels within the time frame of the movie, so it hit me especially hard in the feels department. Real life happens the way it did in this movie, so I guess that's why some people find it boring.

I, for one, found it refreshingly grounded in reality. I have slice of life high school anime for when I want happy endings and sunshine and rainbows...

Ahri-is-cute said:


What's your Bingo at ?
Did you even read ? it's not about sad endings or not , there are tons of good animes with sad endings , just throwing the " bad because ending is sad " argument doesn't work anymore.

Ahri-is-cute said:
Episode One : a guy going to another city from a train to a train , he meets that girl and kisses her!OK ( More like an advertisement for trains actually xD )
Episode Two : that guy lives his school life in a city and a girl wanted to confess and she couldn't! OK again
Episode Three : That guy the guy and the girl grew up and didn't talk , the end of a love story ! Wait what ? The end ? What happened? Was there even a story? I read all discussions here but nothing good😐 like really ? Someone explain it otherwise I'll give it 2/10 ( usually I want to give it 1/10 but the Graphics of the Nature and Sakura were really good )
And Episode 2 was more like a filler and has nothing to do with the story !!!!!!
The love relationship/story in that movie was just like any other normal relationship in real life , messaging then breaking up nothing special! Nothing sad about it ! There's no death or something, if she died at least the story would have been better

charliechuckle said:


To be honest, I agree with you; but

If I'm totally honest, the anime was not made for us. You need to think about who it was made for. The quality, music, mood, etc is almost perfect.

I hate "Slice of Life" animes with passion, but I can tell that this is one of those top best of all time "slice of life" trash animes.

Ahri-is-cute said:


I disagree , I love slice of life , and the anime really did have nice music and was in a good mood and all.
But read the title again , I'm talking about the story itself and it was pure garbage , can't even call this thing a work.

Just being a slice of life doesn't make it top actually good even for slice of life fans.
for example . being a Naruto fan doesn't mean you should find all shounen animes to be good.

MalyRBT said:
Maybe because it's anime where you follow Shigeo Kageyama life and his brother as well and look how they getting to know themselves. But you're right and Mob Psycho isn't slice of life too much.