midascruzer said: Lastly, how can you fend off someone's argument by saying that it's all subjective while clearly implying that the genre is objectively good? First of all, shoujo is NOT a "genre", it's a 'demographic'. Demographic means 'who it is aimed at.' I would never swear off an ENTIRE demographic because that's a very ignorant thing to do. It's like claiming that thousands and thousands of series you've maybe tried FIVE titles of are "bad". I can name five shounen series I didn't like. Or seinen. Does that mean I don't like every show that's shounen or seinen? LOLNO. I'm not that stupid. |
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Chiibi said: midascruzer said: Lastly, how can you fend off someone's argument by saying that it's all subjective while clearly implying that the genre is objectively good? First of all, shoujo is NOT a "genre", it's a 'demographic'. Demographic means 'who it is aimed at.' I would never swear off an ENTIRE demographic because that's a very ignorant thing to do. It's like claiming that thousands and thousands of series you've maybe tried FIVE titles of are "bad". I can name five shounen series I didn't like. Or seinen. Does that mean I don't like every show that's shounen or seinen? LOLNO. I'm not that stupid. Ok, you got me there. Shoujo isn't a genre but the same thing applies anyway. Chiibi said: I can name five shounen series I didn't like. Or seinen. Does that mean I don't like every show that's shounen or seinen? LOLNO. I'm not that stupid. You can't really tell how much shoujo one watched and It's not about not liking or liking something. You've said that you didn't like cowboy bebop while stating that it's well-made. Now, the original argument was this: shoujo anime are generally not well-made, lazily-written and whatnot. |
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Chiibi said: midascruzer said: Lastly, how can you fend off someone's argument by saying that it's all subjective while clearly implying that the genre is objectively good? First of all, shoujo is NOT a "genre", it's a 'demographic'. Demographic means 'who it is aimed at.' I would never swear off an ENTIRE demographic because that's a very ignorant thing to do. It's like claiming that thousands and thousands of series you've maybe tried FIVE titles of are "bad". I can name five shounen series I didn't like. Or seinen. Does that mean I don't like every show that's shounen or seinen? LOLNO. I'm not that stupid. I've been thinking this same thing. And it surprises me how many people can avidly watch anime, and still not understand the meanings of tags Japanese give to their anime. Everyone, it's ok to venture out of your demographic (you probably should!). It can be a great eye opener and give a broadened perspective into many things. You might even find something you like ;) And at the same time, don't buy into the whole tailored demographic bit. They are selling you a concept based on a stereotype that you are expected to fit into. Break free of that suggestion, and be yourself. Don't be confined by the demographic people make for you... and if you happen to fit your demographic, that's fine too! |
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| The best non-mobile adapted Idol anime currently airing are Shoujo and most of their installment don't have romance or anything close to it between main characters either. |
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| @NO_U_ETC Right!? You miss out too much if you confine yourself to demographics! Out of curiosity, I looked up the demos of my favorites list. Shoujo-2 titles Josei-1 title Seinen-3 titles The rest are shounen...and one I really don't know as it's a stand-alone OVA but I'm guessing a shounen one. |
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Chiibi said: Out of curiosity, I looked up the demos of my favorites list. Shoujo-2 titles Josei-1 title Seinen-3 titles The rest are shounen...and one I really don't know as it's a stand-alone OVA but I'm guessing a shounen one. Yeah, looking at mine, it's Shoujo - 5 Shounen - 1 Seinen - 0 Josei - 0 Which perhaps explains why I feel a bit defensive when people say shoujo is shit. |
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| @horridhendy I noticed you have Howl's in your favorites. :O I think that is also a very shoujo-ish story. xD And a good one. I would say it's not always easy to figure out Ghibli targets (aside from 'family and kids' but I would say Howl's Moving Castle, Kiki's Delivery Service, Whisper of the Heart, The Cat Returns, and The Secret World of Arriety are more appealing to girls than guys. |
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| Yeah man, i agree, i've watched Shoujo Ramune 4 times now and im an alpha male, masculinity 1000% https://myanimelist.net/anime/32587/Shoujo_Ramune?q=shoujo%20ramune |
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| You see my list its mostly shounen it does not make me any less female. |
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| Here's a thought Watching occasional shoujo time will not make you less masculine. Watching only shoujo and love-centric stories for long enough may actually have an effect on a male, but it is all relative to time spent doing so in conjunction with other elements of his life. The following are some good things to consider: Does he have male friends? Does he have any male role models? Does he work with other males? Does he compete in anything or enjoy watching anything competitive (martial arts, sports, etc)? Is he emotionally stable? Is he grounded in his masculinity? Is he insecure? There are many other things to consider, but there's just a few examples. Now, if you take a male who let's say, is not grounded in his masculinity and is quite emotional, in his feelings day-to-day and is unable to accomplish basic yet important tasks in his life because he often "doesn't feel like it", you might say that person doesn't have any bearing on what makes him masculine. Now, if this same person decides that 99% of what they watch, for years, is shoujo, it's quite possible that this person may be stuck on the same side of the masculine-feminine spectrum that we just described. If they are easily influenced, it's true that hammering these shows could be like brainwashing them to desire certain things or to be a certain way, or that it is okay to just be in their emotions all the time as a male. Down the road, these traits if repeated will actually exacerbate one's femininity, in turn making someone less masculine, or keeping them from being their idealized version of masculinity. Now please, if someone is grounded in who they are and they enjoy some shoujo in their lives, then by all means - it will not have this effect on them. This prior example is aimed at more impressionable men who are chronically struggling with their identity or emotions in some way. Personally, I will say there's some great shoujo out there. It's just not all I like. I like stories of achievement, of competition, of striving through hardships to victory, but also themes of complex emotional development with a satisfying resolution as well. To refuse all shoujo because of this idea is ignorant. You would be missing out on some high quality content. I just personally don't think it should be all any man who considers himself a masculine individual desires to watch, that's all. |
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| Shoujo is for females or girly boys, pls, don't try to make the straight male weaker... fking terrorist |
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SlightWeeb said: So long as you're swift as the coursing river with all the force of a great typhoon with all the strength of a raging fire and mysterious as the dark side of the moon you are a man. I see what you did there. :D pretty mad that movie has the be delayed now |
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| Watching shoujo (or shounen) won't make you broad minded, there are better things in life. This is because the creators behind these terms or genres is not broad minded |
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Of course not, watching shoujo is like trying to see in female perspective, it's interesting, you ship a guy you like to the female lead and you know his the right one and sometimes you feel conscious that maybe if you are the same as that guy the girl will fall for you. |
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| I'mma keep it real with you chief, it's rare that anybody actually thinks this. If they don't watch shoujo, most of the time it's not because they believe it makes them "Less of a man". It's just that person's taste. When people say that, I honestly believe you haven't been around guys. Because the vast majority of anime fans I know don't care all that much. |
Laplace_kun said: This is because the creators behind these terms or genres is not broad minded That's a load. I create shoujo content and I'm broad-minded. It's not unheard of for shoujo writers to switch genres and demographics either. |
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Chiibi said: Laplace_kun said: This is because the creators behind these terms or genres is not broad minded That's a load. I create shoujo content and I'm broad-minded. It's not unheard of for shoujo writers to switch genres and demographics either. Hey, I have nothing against content creators. I am speaking about the bureaucrats who has stereotypically imposed these terms to be meant for specific genders (and hence the naming). This causes actual talented authors to lose their independence in writing. These days, gladly, that rift is slowly vanishing. |
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| Let people watch what they want, insecure boys won't think it's cool to watch shoujo but who cares? Also there's a lot of bad shoujo if you're not into blatant pandering and they are often some of the most popular and highly praised ones *cough* Fruits Basket *cough* so it's hard to navigate the demographic. |
Roevhaal said: Let people watch what they want, insecure boys won't think it's cool to watch shoujo but who cares? Also there's a lot of bad shoujo if you're not into blatant pandering and they are often some of the most popular and highly praised ones *cough* Fruits Basket *cough* so it's hard to navigate the demographic. Please explain why you think Fruits Basket is "bad" because you are in the minority, here. Majorly in the minority. It is a *wonderful* series and gets praise for good reasons. |
ChiibiApr 19, 2020 11:33 AM
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| The only downside to shoujo is that after a few shows you start seeing bubbles, flowers and sparkles whenever someone comes into your field of vision. It happened to me but after a while it all dissapears. Shoujo has some great stories and awesome character designs. |
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Chiibi said: It's shoujo pandering plain and simple, all male characters are garbage, they are one note walking tropes with a smither of cry bait serving as husbando bait for young girls. The only redeeming quality were the backstories with Tooru, her mom and her friends. It's very sad to see shoujo with such abysmal writing make it to the top when fantastic ones like Maria-sama ga Miteru and Saiunkoku Monogatari remain largely unknown.Roevhaal said: Let people watch what they want, insecure boys won't think it's cool to watch shoujo but who cares? Also there's a lot of bad shoujo if you're not into blatant pandering and they are often some of the most popular and highly praised ones *cough* Fruits Basket *cough* so it's hard to navigate the demographic. Please explain why you think Fruits Basket is "bad" because you are in the minority, here. Majorly in the minority. It is a *wonderful* series and gets praise for good reasons. |
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Roevhaal said: plain and simple, all male characters are garbage, they are one note walking tropes They most certainly ARE NOT. They are the deconstruction of such archetypes. That's a major theme of the show. 'Everyone is a person with strengths and flaws, not a flat pretty face for you to drool over." Maria-sama ga Miteru I don't like girls' love. :p Saiunkoku Monogatari Might watch that eventually... |
ChiibiApr 19, 2020 11:55 AM
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Chiibi said: Roevhaal said: plain and simple, all male characters are garbage, they are one note walking tropes They most certainly ARE NOT. They are the deconstruction of such archetypes. That's a major theme of the show. 'Everyone is a person with strengths and flaws, not a flat pretty face for you to drool over." Maria-sama ga Miteru I don't like girls' love. :p Yea sure, keep telling yourself that, I haven't seen anything redeemable about the male characters in the show. Also Hiro is the most punchable character I've ever come across. Maria-sama ga Miteru isn't girls love... |
RoevhaalApr 19, 2020 11:59 AM
I don't have to tell myself that; I can prove it, using Yuki as an example. Yuki is a deconstruction of 'the prince archetype'. See, prince archetypes in shoujo are mainly there to just look pretty and be perfect for the heroine to go all googly for. They hardly ever get development. But in this show, Yuki's 'prince mode' is just a facade. In reality, he is a bitter, tortured soul who doesn't like himself or easily make friends. As characters point out, he was even unable to smile until Tooru spent a lot of time with him. Last season was about him opening up to her and this season is about him opening up to OTHER people and becoming more like 'a normal young man' despite his curse and his inner demons. We've still got quite a ways to go, though. Also Hiro is the most punchable character I've ever come across. He's bratty but I like him. The only character I don't like is Kagura. Complaining that Fruits Basket panders because "the men are attractive" is like complaining that Boku No Hero panders because "the women are attractive". No dice. Anime is filled with pretty people in every demographic and genre. |
ChiibiApr 19, 2020 12:16 PM
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Chiibi said: I don't have to tell myself that; I can prove it, using Yuki as an example. Yuki is a deconstruction of 'the prince archetype'. See, prince archetypes in shoujo are mainly there to just look pretty and be perfect for the heroine to go all googly for. They hardly ever get development. But in this show, Yuki's 'prince mode' is just a facade. In reality, he is a bitter, tortured soul who doesn't like himself or easily make friends. As characters point out, he was even unable to smile until Tooru spent a lot of time with him. Last season was about him opening up to her and this season is about him opening up to OTHER people and becoming more like 'a normal young man' despite his curse and his inner demons. We've still got quite a ways to go, though. Also Hiro is the most punchable character I've ever come across. He's bratty but I like him. The only character I don't like is Kagura. Complaining that Fruits Basket panders because "the men are attractive" is like complaining that Boku No Hero panders because "the women are attractive". No dice. If that's enough for you then have fun, I got extremely bored of the series afer a few episodes. Nice comparison with BNHA btw, it's kinda like the garbage shounen equavilent to Fruits Basket, glad you can see that. Bland generic power fantasy with bland garbage characters. It definitly panders to young boys even if we completely ignore the female waifu bait. My issue isn't at all related to the attractiveness of the male characters, Saiunkoku which I used as an example of shoujo done right has much more attractive male characters. |
Roevhaal said: If that's enough for you then have fun, I got extremely bored of the series afer a few episodes. It's slice of life, and yes, slow-moving so if you said "I just find it boring" in the first place, I'd have more respect. :/ Nice comparison with BNHA btw, it's kinda like the garbage shounen equavilent to Fruits Basket, glad you can see that. I don't think BNHA's characters are "garbage" either; it was simply the first shounen title that popped into my head. :p |
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Chiibi said: Slice of Life is one of my favourite genres, I love slow moving plots building up their characters. Fruits Basket doesn't offer anything of value on that front though, there's no subtle depth to it. Which I guess is what I was really trying to get at.Roevhaal said: If that's enough for you then have fun, I got extremely bored of the series afer a few episodes. It's slice of life, and yes, slow-moving so if you said "I just find it boring" in the first place, I'd have more respect. :/ Nice comparison with BNHA btw, it's kinda like the garbage shounen equavilent to Fruits Basket, glad you can see that. I don't think BNHA's characters are "garbage" either; it was simply the first shounen title that popped into my head. :p |
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