Fuzzylumpkins said: ayaan692 said: this is why i said even sao sao atleast looks clean while being bland aswell and you said that is the average for anime tog is below that average for me you might call it stylish or unique but apart from the eyes which are super detailed the rest of the face and body are just plain drawn if they wanted to give that rough look then they should atleast fully commit to it but having that mixed just looks like a bad mashup I can respect your opinion. However, coming from an artists point of view, tower of god is quite frankly above SAO stylistic and art wise. Going back to the example I provided earlier with Koboyashi; her style was both rough and clean simultaneously, much like tower of god. Again, it comes down to preference. From my stance, the art style with its simplistic shading was perfect for this anime, and it fits rather well with the overall theme. Also....psst....there are more things detailed from just the eyes. The way the light refracts from the hair, the thick line-art, and how the clothes fold are all unique aspects of this style... I'd like you to go over what I said about the ToG artstyle and how the face shapes, body positions and gesture indicate a keen sense of good art. I'd also like you to go over what I said about Yuasa Masaakis works, and how details don't indicate good art. Have a nice day :) And also coming from an artist's point of view, the fact that they chose not to do any shading is quite frankly, lazy to me. I imagine this show would be a lot more visually appealing if it did have proper shading. I can't comment on the other 2 of the examples you gave since I haven't watched them, but a stylistic choice of minimal shading like Eizouken fits, while I think the choice of virtually no shading/very minimal shading for Tower of God doesn't really fit the art style itself, especially considering that they are trying to stay true to the original drawing style. Even the original webtoon isn't this flat. You can argue that Tower of God has MORE style than SAO since SAO looks like just about every other generic anime out there, but I wouldn't say it's necessarily better either in terms of art or style. SAO is definitely more visually appealing for most audience members, if and only if because of the complete lack of shading on ToG's part. |
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| Man, you didn't watch a lot of anime if you think this is low quality. Not saying that it's amazing but c'mon, it's pretty alright. |
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| @DrakenKnight and @DomineLkira: just because you personally can't see the similarity in those art styles, this doesn't mean I'm wrong. Probably both of you think the characters must share the same exact hairstyle and shape of eyes to say the art style used is similar, but that's not obvioulsy the point. Example: These two characters are OBVIOUSLY completely different, and from different series   but despite you are not able to see it, I can tell you they share the same art style, because even if these anime are based on manga drawn by different mangaka and with styles very different, these drawings were made by Shingo Araki, one of the most influencial character designers in anime history. And his amazing STYLE is iconic and absolutely unique. I see many people here are not even able to understand the difference between art style and animation, probably many of you are really young (the fact that @DomineLkira doesn't even know Card Captor Sakura and Clamp is an obvious confirmation about what I'm saying). |
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@DrakenKnight and @DomineLkira: another example for both of you undertsanding what I'm saying. Of course, all these characters are completely different from these characters  but actually the similarity in the art style is HUGE, and if you are expert enough you can see it. Indeed the character designer is the same, Yoshiuki Sadamoto, another amazing artist who created an art style absolutely unique, that influenced hugely many other artists. I hope you finally GOT my point, I understand both of you are not very expert about anime and manga, but before to insult people, try to understand what they are explaining you, since you are blatantly ignorant about some topics. |
Sadly, in the modern anime and manga is always more difficult to find unique and iconic art styles. Anyway, some character designers are still able to give the characters their personal touch, that makes you able to say they were drawn by the same person. If you are expert enough, you can clearly say this anime shares the same character designer with this one  with this one  and also with this one.  No matter which original art style Masayoshi Tanaka is adapting, you can always see his PERSONAL and unique touch in how he adapts the art style of the original source. He is one of the most interesting character designers in the modern anime industry. I hope, after all these examples, some people finally understood what I'm saying. |
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| The webtoon's art style is bland and generic as hell, and I can say that Masashi Kudo, known mainly for being the character design of Bleach, tried to be faithful to that art style, without doing anything to improve it. The art style of the manga Aishite Knight is honestly awful, rather unique, but awful  But the anime episodes that were made by Shingo Araki are AMAZING, and you couldn't avoid to see the difference between the episodes drawn by him, and the ones made by other artists. The protagonist, drawn by Shingo Araki  The same protagonist, drawn by another character designer  The second art style is obviously more similar to the manga's art style, but way uglier than Shingo Araki's art style, that is less faithful but way more beautiful. So, it's only a matter of preference. You could prefer that the character designer remains faithful to the source material, or he/she improves the source material's style with his/her own style. |
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| @momoka16 , what do you think the term art style means in the anime industry? |
momoka16 said: DomineLkira said: @momoka16 , what do you think the term art style means in the anime industry? So, you weren't able to understand my point yet. What do you think art style is? The definition I came up with my short time in this community is that Art Style' is something that encompasses overall composition, color design, linework, scenery and just the overall 'shape and look' of the series altogether while character design is specific to the characters in the series and doesn't concern scenery or graphical elements such as effects. Art style for me means more than the character designs in a series. That why I don't think that the art style of CCS and The Promised Neverland are even remotely similar , expect form maybe the position of the mouth nose eyes lips etc of the main characters. You can understand now why I thought the art style of TOG to not be generic. So , what's your interpretation of this word? |
| what low quality animation? I swear y'all like one of those animation hoes who think if an anime doesn't have bright colorful effects it's automatically trash. watch more anime you normies. |
momoka16 said: DomineLkira said: The definition I came up with my short time in this community is that Art Style' is something that encompasses overall composition, color design, linework, scenery and just the overall 'shape and look' of the series altogether while character design is specific to the characters in the series and doesn't concern scenery or graphical elements such as effects. Art style for me means more than the character designs in a series. That why I don't think that the art style of CCS and The Promised Neverland are even remotely similar , expect form maybe the position of the mouth nose eyes lips etc of the main characters. You can understand now why I thought the art style of TOG to not be generic. So , what's your interpretation of this word? Sorry, but this whole discussion between us so far was based on the art style of the CHARACTERS. Now you can't start to speak about the scenary, it's hypocritical, especially because not only in anime, but also in manga is way difficult that the people who draw the characters are the same ones who draw the backgrounds, and you should know it. Be specific. Are you speaking about art style's characters? About the scenery? About the animation? About WHAT? Yeah , the discussion started on Designs of Bam and Kirito , you shared some characters that YOU think look like him , and I kind of agreed (?). But the problem starts when you try to say that the art style of CCS and The Promised Neverland are similar , which in fact they are NOT. Sakura And Emma don't even look similar execpt from maybe the position of thier facial features? Judging the whole manga art from one character design? Only Emma and Sakura have one little similarly that the position of thier facial features are same. NONE of the other characters in Neverland look remotely similar to the ones from CCS. Look , if you are here to tell me that many character designs nowadays found their roots from the 90's , I can't argue with you you are absolutely right But saying that the art style of The Promised Neverland is entirely BASED on CCS? No fam. It shows how limited your perspective is that even if you see a minute similarities in two works you claim that they are similar. That definition of art style only applies to anime , the medium we were discussing. You didn't give your definition did you? |
DomineLkira said: momoka16 said: Sorry, but this whole discussion between us so far was based on the art style of the CHARACTERS. Now you can't start to speak about the scenary, it's hypocritical, especially because not only in anime, but also in manga is way difficult that the people who draw the characters are the same ones who draw the backgrounds, and you should know it. Be specific. Are you speaking about art style's characters? About the scenery? About the animation? About WHAT? Yeah , the discussion started on Designs of Bam and Kirito , you shared some characters that YOU think look like him , and I kind of agreed (?). But the problem starts when you try to say that the art style of CCS and The Promised Neverland are similar , which in fact they are NOT. Sakura And Emma don't even look similar execpt from maybe the position of thier facial features? Judging the whole manga art from one character design? Only Emma and Sakura have one little similarly that the position of thier facial features are same. NONE of the other characters in Neverland look remotely similar to the ones from CCS. Look , if you are here to tell me that many character designs nowadays found their roots from the 90's , I can't argue with you you are absolutely right But saying that the art style of The Promised Neverland is entirely BASED on CCS? No fam. It shows how limited your perspective is that even if you see a minute similarities in two works you claim that they are similar. That definition of art style only applies to anime , the medium we were discussing. You didn't give your definition did you? Again, it's like if you don't understand the meaning of art style at all. And we were speaking about the art style of the characters, so stop speaking about other stuff. In my post that you just quoted, I had added this: An anime or a manga can have some amazing backgrounds, but an awful art style for the characters And it's something really obvious, so stop speaking about art style IN GENERAL, when we are speaking specifically about the characters' art style. About The promise neverland, the influences from the 90s in the art style of the characters are huge, and if you want to deny them for whetever reason, okay. But it's damn obvious that these characters  are way more stylistically similar to these ones  than to these ones for example  and indeed art styles similar to CLAMP art style (very typical in the 90s) are way, way more common than art styles similar to Akira Toriyama's art style, that is really unique. I just told you that The promise neverland art style is particular enough these days, thanks to its heavy 90s influences, while TOG art style is really GENERIC and COMMON in modern anime and manga, why are you trying to deny it, I don't know it. |
removed-userApr 16, 2020 4:23 AM
The point is that these kids could interact with these kids in the same show  without any harsh contrast in terms of styles, exactly like these kids  could interact with these kids in the same show without any visual contrast.  |
momoka16 said: The point is that these kids could interact with these kids in the same show without any harsh contrast in terms of styles, exactly like these kids could interact with these kids in the same show without any visual contrast. Are you actually serious? You really think that the characters from CCS can interact with the characters from the characters from TPN without any visual contrast? The scenario that I am imagining in my head those not agree with that. You are saying that if we put a character from CCS in TPN it wouldn't cause any visual contrast and people won't be able to notice? How delusional you are? I whole heartedly agree that the style used in the manga around the time CCS came out heavily influenced the modern stereotypical anime artstyle. But to say that TPN is based on CCS artstyle is ridiculous. This doesn't need watching a lot of old anime and having a big brain dude , it just need a pair of working eyes. |
DomineLkiraApr 16, 2020 5:27 AM
| @momoka16 , you unironically mean to say that: This character fromTPN  Exist in the world of this character from CCS ,  and it wouldn't cause a visual contrast? I...I am speechless. It's rare for people to go to these lengths just to prove thier point. And I don't mean that in a good way ,just for the record. |
DomineLkira said: momoka16 said: The point is that these kids could interact with these kids in the same show without any harsh contrast in terms of styles, exactly like these kids could interact with these kids in the same show without any visual contrast. Are you actually serious? You really think that the characters from CCS can interact with the characters from the characters from TPN without any visual contrast? The scenario that I am imagining in my head those not agree with that. You are saying that if we put a character from CCS in TPN it wouldn't cause any visual contrast and people won't be able to notice? How delusional you are? I whole heartedly agree that the style used in the manga around the time CCS came out heavily influenced the modern stereotypical anime artstyle. But to say that TPN is based on CCS artstyle is ridiculous. This doesn't need watching a lot of old anime and having a big brain dude , it just need a pair of working eyes. I'm saying seriously, the visual contrast wouldn't be absolutely huge like you think. I can't believe you are not able to see the big similarity. |
DomineLkira said: @momoka16 , you unironically mean to say that: This character fromTPN Exist in the world of this character from CCS , and it wouldn't cause a visual contrast? I...I am speechless. It's rare for people to go to these lengths just to prove thier point. And I don't mean that in a good way ,just for the record. Yeah, this girl  could be one of the friends of this girl  without any problem. |
momoka16 said: DomineLkira said: @momoka16 , you unironically mean to say that: This character fromTPN Exist in the world of this character from CCS , and it wouldn't cause a visual contrast? I...I am speechless. It's rare for people to go to these lengths just to prove thier point. And I don't mean that in a good way ,just for the record. Yeah, this girl could be one of the friends of this girl without any problem. What the actual fuck? Understandable have a nice day sir |
Yeah, your usual kind way to reply, but no matter what you want to think, it's a fact these art styles are not so drastically different. |
momoka16 said: Yeah, your usual kind way to reply, but no matter what you want to think, it's a fact these art styles are not so drastically different. Who are you to decide what is fact or not? It is a fact that other than some minute influences , they look pretty different. Do you actually expect people to take you seriously with that attitude? "iT's a fAcT" No it's not. It's your observation blinded by nostalgia of the "golden age of anime" as you call it. I am trying to end this shitty discussion with a delusional guy who doesn't expand his perspective and claims that the series A's art is based on series B's art style cause of what? Placement of facial features? Come tf on. Check out the art by Posuka Demizu , the one responsible for the TPN art. Pretty cool stuff. Maybe you get to know the artist more and understand her type of art? |
DomineLkiraApr 16, 2020 6:38 AM
momoka16 said: DomineLkira said: Who are you to decide what is fact or not? It is a fact that other than some minute influences , they look pretty different. Do you actually expect people to take you seriously with that attitude? "iT's a fAcT" No it's not. It's your observation blinded by nostalgia of the "golden age of anime" as you call it. I am trying to end this shitty discussion with a delusional guy who doesn't expand his perspective and claims that the series A's art is based on series B's art style cause of what? Placement of facial features? Come tf on. Check out the art by Posuka Demizu , the one responsible for the TPN art. Pretty cool stuff. Maybe you get to know the artist more and understand her type of art? Your problem is that you call "minute" influences, those that are actually heavy influences. It's not me being "nostalgic", it's you being in denial of the obvious fact that modern artists are heavily influenced by the older ones, it's simply natural, and at this point there's barely some style that can be called "unique". I was the first one to say that TPN is one of the few modern anime with a pretty unique art style, exactly thanks to its 90s influences. I didn't mean to say it's the exact copy of CLAMP art style, so relax yourself. Well they are minute influences for me. Well whatever. Any ways do check out Posuka Demizu , some great art.  |
Also watching at the covers of TPN manga and Tsubasa World CHRoNiCLE manga, another series by CLAMP, I notice a big similarity in the use of the colors.  Again, I am not saying it's the same identical style, only that I can see the similarities. |
DomineLkira said: momoka16 said: Your problem is that you call "minute" influences, those that are actually heavy influences. It's not me being "nostalgic", it's you being in denial of the obvious fact that modern artists are heavily influenced by the older ones, it's simply natural, and at this point there's barely some style that can be called "unique". I was the first one to say that TPN is one of the few modern anime with a pretty unique art style, exactly thanks to its 90s influences. I didn't mean to say it's the exact copy of CLAMP art style, so relax yourself. Well they are minute influences for me. Well whatever. Any ways do check out Posuka Demizu , some great art. Sure, it's amazing. But apparently you don't know how detailed is also CLAMP'S art style, so it's not like I'm insulting Posuka Demizu if I say I can see some CLAMP influences in TPN.  |
You have a right to your opinion, but I'd say most people here, or anywhere else would completely disagree with this assessment in terms of ccs characters fitting into neverland or vice versa. |
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chrome said: You have a right to your opinion, but I'd say most people here, or anywhere else would completely disagree with this assessment in terms of ccs characters fitting into neverland or vice versa. I already explained how the art style isn't the same, obviously, but it's very similar in many ways. You and other people are free to disagree. TPN and CCS are not even the main topic of this thread, I praised TPN for being a modern show with a pretty unique art style thanks to its 90s charm, unlike TOG, whose art style is rather common in anime today. |
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| WTF do u mean low quality? This is high quality animation. Please don't judge things you don't understand. The anime that u mentioned have top tier animation and come once a year. Animation is very hard to do and very expensive. Please don't insult the animators by calling their talented work "low quality". It's not for u to judge. |
momoka16 said: chrome said: You have a right to your opinion, but I'd say most people here, or anywhere else would completely disagree with this assessment in terms of ccs characters fitting into neverland or vice versa. I already explained how the art style isn't the same, obviously, but it's very similar in many ways. You and other people are free to disagree. TPN and CCS are not even the main topic of this thread, I praised TPN for being a modern show with a pretty unique art style thanks to its 90s charm, unlike TOG, whose art style is rather common in anime today. It just doesn't support the point that you're trying to make very well. The only real similarity I see between Neverland and CCS which lends to a somewhat 90s style is that they both tend to place the mouths of the characters higher up on the face. And that's virtually where the stylistic similarities end. The show would look incredibly jarring if you placed Sakura in Emma's world or the other way around, leaving the art as is. Same for what you pointed out with ToG and Durarara. You're going to have a hard time finding someone, anyone, to agree that ToG art style is almost the same as Durarara art style, or that a ToG character placed in Durarara without changing the art wouldn't immediately look out of place. |
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| The animation is pretty damn charming imo lol |
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chrome said: momoka16 said: I already explained how the art style isn't the same, obviously, but it's very similar in many ways. You and other people are free to disagree. TPN and CCS are not even the main topic of this thread, I praised TPN for being a modern show with a pretty unique art style thanks to its 90s charm, unlike TOG, whose art style is rather common in anime today. It just doesn't support the point that you're trying to make very well. The only real similarity I see between Neverland and CCS which lends to a somewhat 90s style is that they both tend to place the mouths of the characters higher up on the face. And that's virtually where the stylistic similarities end. The show would look incredibly jarring if you placed Sakura in Emma's world or the other way around, leaving the art as is. Same for what you pointed out with ToG and Durarara. You're going to have a hard time finding someone, anyone, to agree that ToG art style is almost the same as Durarara art style, or that a ToG character placed in Durarara without changing the art wouldn't immediately look out of place. No, it's you that basically can't see the huge similarity between those art styles because, like many others, you are too used to the anime/manga art styles of the past 20 years, that became progressively always more aseptic, plain and stuck to a small bunch of prototypes, probably also to make the animation process easier. The characters in TOG could fit perfectly in Haikyuu or Durarara!! anime with some minor changes, while obviously if you put them in this anime/manga   you should change drastically EVERYTHING. And I am tired to see people who to bash the animations of TOG, say it looks "old". Honestly TONS of old anime, maybe the majority, had better art and animations than the majority of today anime. Since I put some pics of "Ore wa Teppei", I will link here this video (it's the Italian opening): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0KBDHMhYVI This anime has been produced in 1977, and everything, from the body language of the characters to the fighting scenes, is better made than what you see in the majority of modern anime. Only look at the scenes between 1:48 and 2:00 how dynamic they are. Perfection. Man, also tons of kiddy shows had better animations than tons of today crap where the characters barely move their mouths. Please, look at this one for example (Shin Maple Town Monogatari: Palm Town Hen, 1987): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNA2tBqoUJM |
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Anime boys before 2000:            I could continue forever... Anime boys after 2000: You have basically a couple of prototypes, mainly this kind of shit  with different hair color and eyes color, or this kind of shit  with different hair color and eyes color. All of them look the same, and especially, they look like girls. I KNOW NOT ALL ANIME AND MANGA TODAY HAVE THIS SHITTY ART STYLE, but there are very few exceptions. And before 2000, the main character could be also short, fat and ugly. He hadn't to be cute at all costs. |
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momoka16 said: Ah, and it's funny how some supposed "experts" bash old anime, and at the same time praise Masaaki Yuasa's works. If you saw Keep Your Hands Off Eizouken!, it isn't like the protagonist fell in love with anime by watching some modern crap, but this masterpiece produced in 1978: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSZQm7x5U5E I see no one here "bashing" old anime. Most people are just disagreeing with your statement that the TPN art has more similarities to CCS art other then the placement of facial features , and that too only apply to Emma. |
| @momoka16 Okay so I see you keep cherrypicking from newer anime saying they all look the same and the like only picking a couple of examples at a time and not getting a really wide pool of information. I doubt you believe me but I am going to pick from a random year and random season using a random number generator to pick from the 10 highest ranked shows in said season and post some of their main characters. Here we go. So I just got 2018 and while obviously some shows are adapted from older manga I still feel like this is a fairly accurate repersentation of what is coming out. Heck the season I got has SAO and JoJo's in the same season xD Obvious spoiler tag to keep it organized. This was an interesting experiment honestly. Especially since they were all from the same season. |
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Calal-Chan said: @momoka16 Okay so I see you keep cherrypicking from newer anime saying they all look the same and the like only picking a couple of examples at a time and not getting a really wide pool of information. I doubt you believe me but I am going to pick from a random year and random season using a random number generator to pick from the 10 highest ranked shows in said season and post some of their main characters. Here we go. So I just got 2018 and while obviously some shows are adapted from older manga I still feel like this is a fairly accurate repersentation of what is coming out. Heck the season I got has SAO and JoJo's in the same season xD Obvious spoiler tag to keep it organized. This was an interesting experiment honestly. Especially since they were all from the same season. Should have added Mob Psycho in there instead of SAO if we are talking about different art styles , and some of the trigger shows too , but otherwise really good. Edit : Okay I feel like an idiot please end my existence |
DomineLkira said: Calal-Chan said: @momoka16 Okay so I see you keep cherrypicking from newer anime saying they all look the same and the like only picking a couple of examples at a time and not getting a really wide pool of information. I doubt you believe me but I am going to pick from a random year and random season using a random number generator to pick from the 10 highest ranked shows in said season and post some of their main characters. Here we go. So I just got 2018 and while obviously some shows are adapted from older manga I still feel like this is a fairly accurate repersentation of what is coming out. Heck the season I got has SAO and JoJo's in the same season xD Obvious spoiler tag to keep it organized. This was an interesting experiment honestly. Especially since they were all from the same season. Should have added Mob Psycho in there instead of SAO if we are talking about different art styles , and some of the trigger shows too , but otherwise really good. I couldn't do that with the rules I set myself XD. Every single one of these shows is from the same season. Fall 2018. I see now I have a typo and said just the year instead of season, but I meant season. As I did say random season but I messed up my typing woops. Sao was only in their due to luck of the draw XD |
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Calal-Chan said: DomineLkira said: Should have added Mob Psycho in there instead of SAO if we are talking about different art styles , and some of the trigger shows too , but otherwise really good. I couldn't do that with the rules I set myself XD. Every single one of these shows is from the same season. Fall 2018. I see now I have a typo and said just the year instead of season, but I meant season. As I did say random season but I messed up my typing woops. Sao was only in their due to luck of the draw XD Yeah please read my edit and forget my intervention. I just jumped into the images without seeing the rules. |
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