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Apr 12, 2018 2:51 AM
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yeah you are right as long as volumes 11 and 12 animated i am a happy fan
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Rias just doesn’t look as... intimidating? As such a figurehead of the group than she normally did? The other girls true don’t bother me, everyone else either, but Rias... will take a lot of getting used to. Asia’s face looked like a egg yolk imo.. And the anime girl run. Oh god they did that. Well I’m just excited it’s back tbh, and I’m sure I’ll get used to it.
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I just used to the old art style and it's the one that got me into the DxD to begin with.
To me, they looked sexier and prettier in the old ones. The new ones looked derpy to me.
I might not picked up DxD if they used this new art style in the first season.
Well since I watched all seasons of this anime, there's no backing out regardless if the animation will be bad and inconsistent. LOL!
Apr 12, 2018 3:34 PM
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Yea, the old, more "unique" art style is what also got me into watching DxD... Never read the LNs and probably never will, so don't really care if old art was "accurate in respect to LNs" or not - visually it was better, more detailed and more "unique" for each character, giving them more "soul" and more attractiveness. The new art style makes all characters look "generic", more childish (I don't think this is good for ecchi show) and less attractive overall (especially for Rias and Asia). Only one that still looks fine is Koneko. Oh well, what's done is done...
Apr 12, 2018 4:30 PM

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I've always enjoyed HS DXD and was never aware of the production troubles of S3, so this new art style was a surprise for me, especially as i rewatched the last episode of S3 to refresh my memories.

I disliked it immediately, first noticing the blandness of the lighting and the colors, then the hairstyles. All the weight of the scenes has kind off fallen away as the show now looks like a CGdCS. I love CDdCS, but HS DXD is comedy battle ecchi.

I could not see much improvement in the fluidity of the animation either, it just looks much cheaper and less distinctive. The first three seasons had an edge to the art style that fit the theme and the setting, but episode 0 of HERO (hehe) just looks dull and flat.

And then came the shot that sunk all my hopes for this season.



What the fuck is that?? Did Asia get mumps? I cannot believe how ugly that looks. If you're gonna moe up a show, at least make it look cute! Asia looks like she's fucking melting!

Stage of grief - angry.
Apr 12, 2018 4:35 PM

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I don't like change.
Apr 12, 2018 5:19 PM
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Anime_Dog said:
I've always enjoyed HS DXD and was never aware of the production troubles of S3, so this new art style was a surprise for me, especially as i rewatched the last episode of S3 to refresh my memories.

I disliked it immediately, first noticing the blandness of the lighting and the colors, then the hairstyles. All the weight of the scenes has kind off fallen away as the show now looks like a CGdCS. I love CDdCS, but HS DXD is comedy battle ecchi.

I could not see much improvement in the fluidity of the animation either, it just looks much cheaper and less distinctive. The first three seasons had an edge to the art style that fit the theme and the setting, but episode 0 of HERO (hehe) just looks dull and flat.

And then came the shot that sunk all my hopes for this season.



What the fuck is that?? Did Asia get mumps? I cannot believe how ugly that looks. If you're gonna moe up a show, at least make it look cute! Asia looks like she's fucking melting!

Stage of grief - angry.


Took most of the words out of my mouth. I know the arts closer to the LN. But by God in some scenes it looked like they weren't even trying, like there using the LNs art style as a excuse to be lazy with the fine details. it just felt meh after rewatching a few old episodes before episode 0.
Apr 12, 2018 5:31 PM
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Loll for some reason whilst scrolling through the comments and reading people say they prefer the old art style and how this new season will be a failure etc. I couldn't help but laugh and think back at when DBS was first introduce how somany of us die hard fans were hating on it and criticizing it for every nip pick we can find until it slowly start to seep in and blow us away and we ended up falling in love with it just like dbz. All im trying to say is watch the full 12 episodes of this new season first if after that you still feel unsatisfied then there's nothing more I can say. TNK screwed up DXD last season and the creator is was watching over season 4 production like a hawk to ensure they cover the key points of the 2 volumes and don't stray from the source material I believe that this season might be the best yet and for one looking forward to it
Apr 12, 2018 5:34 PM

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Vrtue said:
Anime_Dog said:
I've always enjoyed HS DXD and was never aware of the production troubles of S3, so this new art style was a surprise for me, especially as i rewatched the last episode of S3 to refresh my memories.

I disliked it immediately, first noticing the blandness of the lighting and the colors, then the hairstyles. All the weight of the scenes has kind off fallen away as the show now looks like a CGdCS. I love CDdCS, but HS DXD is comedy battle ecchi.

I could not see much improvement in the fluidity of the animation either, it just looks much cheaper and less distinctive. The first three seasons had an edge to the art style that fit the theme and the setting, but episode 0 of HERO (hehe) just looks dull and flat.

And then came the shot that sunk all my hopes for this season.



What the fuck is that?? Did Asia get mumps? I cannot believe how ugly that looks. If you're gonna moe up a show, at least make it look cute! Asia looks like she's fucking melting!

Stage of grief - angry.


Took most of the words out of my mouth. I know the arts closer to the LN. But by God in some scenes it looked like they weren't even trying, like there using the LNs art style as a excuse to be lazy with the fine details. it just felt meh after rewatching a few old episodes before episode 0.


Yes, i agree. It looks like an attempt at mass appeal that failed horribly. I was so immediately put-off by Asia the Blob that i recoiled in my chair.
Apr 12, 2018 7:39 PM
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I think the best thing to do is not compare but distinguish the positives of the new art.

Whatever happens i hope season 5 is made in 2019 or 2020 at least.

That way an arc story is finished

Lets wait for the whole season to finish first.
Apr 13, 2018 12:28 PM
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Anime_Dog said:
I've always enjoyed HS DXD and was never aware of the production troubles of S3, so this new art style was a surprise for me, especially as i rewatched the last episode of S3 to refresh my memories.

I disliked it immediately, first noticing the blandness of the lighting and the colors, then the hairstyles. All the weight of the scenes has kind off fallen away as the show now looks like a CGdCS. I love CDdCS, but HS DXD is comedy battle ecchi.

I could not see much improvement in the fluidity of the animation either, it just looks much cheaper and less distinctive. The first three seasons had an edge to the art style that fit the theme and the setting, but episode 0 of HERO (hehe) just looks dull and flat.

And then came the shot that sunk all my hopes for this season.



What the fuck is that?? Did Asia get mumps? I cannot believe how ugly that looks. If you're gonna moe up a show, at least make it look cute! Asia looks like she's fucking melting!

Stage of grief - angry.


LOL, yea, that was the "worst case" example but basically all of the girl characters have similarly derpy, artificial faces in many scenes, Rias and Asia being most noticeable... I don't think they wanted to moe it up or anything, I think the new artists were just lazy and didn't care much for what they were doing.
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wait episode discussion disappear?

hmm, so most ppl prefer "Keep Old Artwork but with bullshit adapted story plus Make Author and LN Reader Angry" more than "Make Artwork and Story Close Enough to LN even with Low Budget Studio"?
Apr 13, 2018 7:43 PM

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Hamudanu said:
wait episode discussion disappear?

hmm, so most ppl prefer "Keep Old Artwork but with bullshit adapted story plus Make Author and LN Reader Angry" more than "Make Artwork and Story Close Enough to LN even with Low Budget Studio"?


Anime only but the japanese fans like it though the new art & closer to the LN.
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AlexJ256 said:
Anime_Dog said:
I've always enjoyed HS DXD and was never aware of the production troubles of S3, so this new art style was a surprise for me, especially as i rewatched the last episode of S3 to refresh my memories.

I disliked it immediately, first noticing the blandness of the lighting and the colors, then the hairstyles. All the weight of the scenes has kind off fallen away as the show now looks like a CGdCS. I love CDdCS, but HS DXD is comedy battle ecchi.

I could not see much improvement in the fluidity of the animation either, it just looks much cheaper and less distinctive. The first three seasons had an edge to the art style that fit the theme and the setting, but episode 0 of HERO (hehe) just looks dull and flat.

And then came the shot that sunk all my hopes for this season.



What the fuck is that?? Did Asia get mumps? I cannot believe how ugly that looks. If you're gonna moe up a show, at least make it look cute! Asia looks like she's fucking melting!

Stage of grief - angry.


LOL, yea, that was the "worst case" example but basically all of the girl characters have similarly derpy, artificial faces in many scenes, Rias and Asia being most noticeable... I don't think they wanted to moe it up or anything, I think the new artists were just lazy and didn't care much for what they were doing.


That how asia looks like in the LN...............
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Wesson8Magnum said:
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LOL, yea, that was the "worst case" example but basically all of the girl characters have similarly derpy, artificial faces in many scenes, Rias and Asia being most noticeable... I don't think they wanted to moe it up or anything, I think the new artists were just lazy and didn't care much for what they were doing.


That how asia looks like in the LN...............


Give it up. The loudmouthed anime onlies don't care about plot or consistency. they just want their overaged hotties
Apr 13, 2018 8:12 PM
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That how asia looks like in the LN...............


I've seen some illustrations from LNs (I just haven't read them), she still looks better in them compared to what I've seen in new episode... Like I said above, all the new art from the new season feels like the artists are barely trying to do their job, regardless of which style they're going for.
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lets be happy that we got more DxD anime and happy to get volumes 9 and 10 animated.

Hope to see volumes 11 and 12 animated in 2019 or 2020
Apr 14, 2018 5:21 AM

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This art style change can F$#^ right off.
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WHAT THE WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?! NOOOOOO!!! THE OLD STYLE WAS WAY BETTER!!! IT LOOKED NEWER, ACTUALLY... AND STYLISH! WITH DETAILS! AND THERE'S JUST SOMETHING ABOUT THE ART THAT MAKES IT SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE NEW ONE!

First episode and I'm already complaining...
Apr 14, 2018 5:28 AM

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ShiranaiAtsune said:
WHAT THE WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?! NOOOOOO!!! THE OLD STYLE WAS WAY BETTER!!! IT LOOKED NEWER, ACTUALLY... AND STYLISH! WITH DETAILS! AND THERE'S JUST SOMETHING ABOUT THE ART THAT MAKES IT SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE NEW ONE!

First episode and I'm already complaining...


Nope. Last season had a ton of clunky animation and everyone looked WAY older than they should have which made the comedy moments feel off when the characters on screen acted WAY younger than they looked
Apr 14, 2018 5:55 AM

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Darklight0303 said:
squall86 said:
This art style change can F$#^ right off.


Or leechers such as yourself can do that instead o/




Watching 13
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Go away kid.
Apr 14, 2018 5:58 AM

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squall86 said:
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Or leechers such as yourself can do that instead o/




Watching 13
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Plan to Watch 10
Total Entries 208
Rewatched 151
Episodes 6,954

Lolled

Go away kid.


LOL textbook reply when you have no argument. Using stats I have not bothered updating in years. Truly adorable. Come back when you have actual arguments worth replying to.
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Darklight0303 said:
ShiranaiAtsune said:
WHAT THE WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?! NOOOOOO!!! THE OLD STYLE WAS WAY BETTER!!! IT LOOKED NEWER, ACTUALLY... AND STYLISH! WITH DETAILS! AND THERE'S JUST SOMETHING ABOUT THE ART THAT MAKES IT SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE NEW ONE!

First episode and I'm already complaining...


Nope. Last season had a ton of clunky animation and everyone looked WAY older than they should have which made the comedy moments feel off when the characters on screen acted WAY younger than they looked


Hey it's me again :D
I agree that the animation looked clunky at times in BORN, but about your other argument though... this is anime and there are plenty series where characters don't look/act their age, even more so when there are lolis that are over 100 years old xD
But I don't think that the new artstyle is bad per se, the facial expressions are a bit weak at times though...
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Darklight0303 said:
squall86 said:




Watching 13
Completed 176
On-Hold 0
Dropped 9
Plan to Watch 10
Total Entries 208
Rewatched 151
Episodes 6,954

Lolled

Go away kid.


LOL textbook reply when you have no argument. Using stats I have not bothered updating in years. Truly adorable. Come back when you have actual arguments worth replying to.


^Standard reply when waste of space with no life resulting in a nolifer post count is called out on a post that makes no contribution to the discussion.

Unlike you, brat, I have nearly 25 years of anime watching including series that go back 40-50 years old and have seen the evolution of animation styles throughout them.

This 'new' art style appears to be the result of picking artists from a paint by numbers club, is bland and undetailed, cannot even use the excuse of dbz artist style differences (since these digital animators are using precreated stills in many cases now). It is bland an unappealing which is contrary to the point of animating a series.

Go back to lucky stars.
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Darklight0303 said:


Nope. Last season had a ton of clunky animation and everyone looked WAY older than they should have which made the comedy moments feel off when the characters on screen acted WAY younger than they looked


Hey it's me again :D
I agree that the animation looked clunky at times in BORN, but about your other argument though... this is anime and there are plenty series where characters don't look/act their age, even more so when there are lolis that are over 100 years old xD
But I don't think that the new artstyle is bad per se, the facial expressions are a bit weak at times though...


Note I am not talking about ancient lolies but the characters who are as young as they say they are which applies to all of the household in DXD other than say Rossweisse. Yes Rias is not some hundred year old devil masquerading as a teen. Sorry to shatter the milfy image some erroneously got from the past seasons.
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Darklight0303 said:
ShulQ said:


Hey it's me again :D
I agree that the animation looked clunky at times in BORN, but about your other argument though... this is anime and there are plenty series where characters don't look/act their age, even more so when there are lolis that are over 100 years old xD
But I don't think that the new artstyle is bad per se, the facial expressions are a bit weak at times though...


Note I am not talking about ancient lolies but the characters who are as young as they say they are which applies to all of the household in DXD other than say Rossweisse. Yes Rias is not some hundred year old devil masquerading as a teen. Sorry to shatter the milfy image some erroneously got from the past seasons.


Yeah that was just an exaggeration :D But it's not uncommon to see charcters look a bit older/younger than they actually are, not only in anime, but even in RL. I also don't think that Koneko looks just a year younger than let's say Issei (assuming she is)... I just hope that the animation can get even better in the next episodes as I have no problems with the story at all.
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That's like comparing teen titans and teen titans go XD
(But the uncensored version pretty go tho ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°) )
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Hamudanu said:
wait episode discussion disappear?

hmm, so most ppl prefer "Keep Old Artwork but with bullshit adapted story plus Make Author and LN Reader Angry" more than "Make Artwork and Story Close Enough to LN even with Low Budget Studio"?


I can only speak for myself, and my opinion is more like:

This is an adaptation. 'Closer to the source material' is not always the best route to take. I can think of numerous examples, but i'll just go with Stanley Kubrick's The Shining, based on the book by Stephen King. Widely regarded as one of the greatest horror movies of all time, loved by both critics and audiences. King was extremely unhappy with Stanley Kubrick's adaptation of the novel. Years later he wrote the teleplay for a mini-series based on the same book and brought back a lot of the things that Kubrick ejected. The mini-series turned out terrible. An author does not necessarily know what is best for an adaptation. It is a different medium.

In my eyes, the new art style for HS DXD does not only look ugly compared to the old, it looks ugly compared to most other anime.

Regardless if the new style is closer to the LN style, do you actually think that the new style is an improvement, and why?
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Anime_Dog said:
Hamudanu said:
wait episode discussion disappear?

hmm, so most ppl prefer "Keep Old Artwork but with bullshit adapted story plus Make Author and LN Reader Angry" more than "Make Artwork and Story Close Enough to LN even with Low Budget Studio"?


I can only speak for myself, and my opinion is more like:

This is an adaptation. 'Closer to the source material' is not always the best route to take. I can think of numerous examples, but i'll just go with Stanley Kubrick's The Shining, based on the book by Stephen King. Widely regarded as one of the greatest horror movies of all time, loved by both critics and audiences. King was extremely unhappy with Stanley Kubrick's adaptation of the novel. Years later he wrote the teleplay for a mini-series based on the same book and brought back a lot of the things that Kubrick ejected. The mini-series turned out terrible. An author does not necessarily know what is best for an adaptation. It is a different medium.

In my eyes, the new art style for HS DXD does not only look ugly compared to the old, it looks ugly compared to most other anime.

Regardless if the new style is closer to the LN style, do you actually think that the new style is an improvement, and why?


Yes because everyone looks more like their age. Until now you had Rias looking borderline milfy when she's around one or 2 years older than Issei >_>
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Probably going to be a typical "wait for Blu-rays" to get the good quality animation. Art style is different, but the derpiness probably due to lack of effort in animation.
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Anime_Dog said:
Hamudanu said:
wait episode discussion disappear?

hmm, so most ppl prefer "Keep Old Artwork but with bullshit adapted story plus Make Author and LN Reader Angry" more than "Make Artwork and Story Close Enough to LN even with Low Budget Studio"?


I can only speak for myself, and my opinion is more like:

This is an adaptation. 'Closer to the source material' is not always the best route to take. I can think of numerous examples, but i'll just go with Stanley Kubrick's The Shining, based on the book by Stephen King. Widely regarded as one of the greatest horror movies of all time, loved by both critics and audiences. King was extremely unhappy with Stanley Kubrick's adaptation of the novel. Years later he wrote the teleplay for a mini-series based on the same book and brought back a lot of the things that Kubrick ejected. The mini-series turned out terrible. An author does not necessarily know what is best for an adaptation. It is a different medium.

In my eyes, the new art style for HS DXD does not only look ugly compared to the old, it looks ugly compared to most other anime.

Regardless if the new style is closer to the LN style, do you actually think that the new style is an improvement, and why?



I'm confused here, you use adapting the shining's story as an example then end with focusing on dxd's art style when story, art and animation are different matters. From what i've been seeing the focus of the hate is strictly on the art style making the characters look younger.
When I saw the animation in the PVs and episode 0 they don't look that bad at all. Plus are we really gonna ignore the perspective of the target audience in Japan because from the looks of it they were getting inceasingly annoyed since season 2 saying that the art looked dated and the animation was getting inceasingly worse overtime leading to more obvious messes in season 3, then you have the director taking liberties that pretty much hurt the flow of the story. With that kind of information about HOW can what we got in season 3 be the better option.
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After watching eps 0...

Im speechless......

my beautiful Rias-Senpai is gone...

Why
Why
Why
Why
Why
Why
Why
Why
Why
I keep asking, why her...
Why did this happen to me...



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Here we go again =_=
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Anime_Dog said:


I can only speak for myself, and my opinion is more like:

This is an adaptation. 'Closer to the source material' is not always the best route to take. I can think of numerous examples, but i'll just go with Stanley Kubrick's The Shining, based on the book by Stephen King. Widely regarded as one of the greatest horror movies of all time, loved by both critics and audiences. King was extremely unhappy with Stanley Kubrick's adaptation of the novel. Years later he wrote the teleplay for a mini-series based on the same book and brought back a lot of the things that Kubrick ejected. The mini-series turned out terrible. An author does not necessarily know what is best for an adaptation. It is a different medium.

In my eyes, the new art style for HS DXD does not only look ugly compared to the old, it looks ugly compared to most other anime.

Regardless if the new style is closer to the LN style, do you actually think that the new style is an improvement, and why?



I'm confused here, you use adapting the shining's story as an example then end with focusing on dxd's art style when story, art and animation are different matters. From what i've been seeing the focus of the hate is strictly on the art style making the characters look younger.
When I saw the animation in the PVs and episode 0 they don't look that bad at all. Plus are we really gonna ignore the perspective of the target audience in Japan because from the looks of it they were getting inceasingly annoyed since season 2 saying that the art looked dated and the animation was getting inceasingly worse overtime leading to more obvious messes in season 3, then you have the director taking liberties that pretty much hurt the flow of the story. With that kind of information about HOW can what we got in season 3 be the better option.


I'll see if i can ease your confusion a bit.

The issue in my post was adaptation. The main argument defending the new art style (and what appears to be the new story choices) seems to be that anything "closer to the source material" is by default better, regardless if it concerns story or art. I don't think that's a particularly strong argument. Hence, i drew parallells to The Shining where King wanted Kubrick to have stayed closer to the book.

Personally, i don't see much of a change in the percieved age of the characters. For me it has much more to do with lack of details, lighting and contrast. The mood is so different. It's so much brighter and softer and the characters look weird and derpy.

Yes, i am going to ignore the japanese audience. Just like i ignore Potter-heads who whine about the film versions of their favorite books. This is my taste we're talking about, and i had no problems with season 3. Never knew about the behind-the-scenes troubles of the production. I don't read light novels. And i really liked the old art style.

I am terribly sorry, english is not my first language, and i don't understand your last sentence. I'd rather not guess what you mean, and risk putting words in your mouth.
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Here we go again =_=


To the temple of consumption? =)

Sorry, i'm old.
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animeflyer said:



I'm confused here, you use adapting the shining's story as an example then end with focusing on dxd's art style when story, art and animation are different matters. From what i've been seeing the focus of the hate is strictly on the art style making the characters look younger.
When I saw the animation in the PVs and episode 0 they don't look that bad at all. Plus are we really gonna ignore the perspective of the target audience in Japan because from the looks of it they were getting inceasingly annoyed since season 2 saying that the art looked dated and the animation was getting inceasingly worse overtime leading to more obvious messes in season 3, then you have the director taking liberties that pretty much hurt the flow of the story. With that kind of information about HOW can what we got in season 3 be the better option.


I'll see if i can ease your confusion a bit.

The issue in my post was adaptation. The main argument defending the new art style (and what appears to be the new story choices) seems to be that anything "closer to the source material" is by default better, regardless if it concerns story or art. I don't think that's a particularly strong argument. Hence, i drew parallells to The Shining where King wanted Kubrick to have stayed closer to the book.

Personally, i don't see much of a change in the percieved age of the characters. For me it has much more to do with lack of details, lighting and contrast. The mood is so different. It's so much brighter and softer and the characters look weird and derpy.

Yes, i am going to ignore the japanese audience. Just like i ignore Potter-heads who whine about the film versions of their favorite books. This is my taste we're talking about, and i had no problems with season 3. Never knew about the behind-the-scenes troubles of the production. I don't read light novels. And i really liked the old art style.

I am terribly sorry, english is not my first language, and i don't understand your last sentence. I'd rather not guess what you mean, and risk putting words in your mouth.


The thing about the whole "closer to the source material" argument is that in this case it does hold up because what was done to season 3, while it was entertaining, heavily messes with the flow of the story. To continue, everything after that ending would need to be completely reworked.

These points are understandable because this is quite a change from the older style so it will take some getting use to though I personally happen to like it. Yeah the mood is different which shows how big the changes were, plus if memory serves, things have gotten ridiculous during tense moments before, so why wait till season 3 to do that.

So you're gonna ignore the original audience's complaints, seeing those as ridiculous but focus on you're own perspective? dude, that's just being willfully ignorant. I'll say this, I also enjoyed what we got in season 3, I also never knew about the behind-the-scenes issues until recently, and I did like the old art style but if what we got before messes with the future of the animation then i'll take the change. To me at least, I got into this art and animation pretty easily.

My apologies on the grammar, what I was saying is that I find it hard to understand that people would consider what we got in season 3 was the better option with all the information about what happened behind-the-scenes spreading.
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Anime_Dog said:
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I'm confused here, you use adapting the shining's story as an example then end with focusing on dxd's art style when story, art and animation are different matters. From what i've been seeing the focus of the hate is strictly on the art style making the characters look younger.
When I saw the animation in the PVs and episode 0 they don't look that bad at all. Plus are we really gonna ignore the perspective of the target audience in Japan because from the looks of it they were getting inceasingly annoyed since season 2 saying that the art looked dated and the animation was getting inceasingly worse overtime leading to more obvious messes in season 3, then you have the director taking liberties that pretty much hurt the flow of the story. With that kind of information about HOW can what we got in season 3 be the better option.


I'll see if i can ease your confusion a bit.

The issue in my post was adaptation. The main argument defending the new art style (and what appears to be the new story choices) seems to be that anything "closer to the source material" is by default better, regardless if it concerns story or art. I don't think that's a particularly strong argument. Hence, i drew parallells to The Shining where King wanted Kubrick to have stayed closer to the book.

Personally, i don't see much of a change in the percieved age of the characters. For me it has much more to do with lack of details, lighting and contrast. The mood is so different. It's so much brighter and softer and the characters look weird and derpy.

Yes, i am going to ignore the japanese audience. Just like i ignore Potter-heads who whine about the film versions of their favorite books. This is my taste we're talking about, and i had no problems with season 3. Never knew about the behind-the-scenes troubles of the production. I don't read light novels. And i really liked the old art style.

I am terribly sorry, english is not my first language, and i don't understand your last sentence. I'd rather not guess what you mean, and risk putting words in your mouth.


Just wait for the big fight that will happen in the second half the season. With the art style change, it will make the fight animations looks bad ass. Season's 3 animation was trash, looked like filler animation most of the time. It's still too early but once the 4th season is completed, compare the fight scenes from HERO to any of the other seasons.

I'm just laughing inside whenever I see people complain about the change or whatever. I'm really looking forward to the big fight that will happen this season just so I can see the people that were complaining be blown away. Another thing lots of people seem to forget is that this episode is episode 0 and it was a retcon/recap. Of course this episode was going to have some faulty scenes here and there and be rushed, it won't make sense for animators to put in lots of time, money, and effort into this one little episode. they still have an entire season to cover.

I think that we can't fairly judge what the new studio has done with the animation/ art style change just yet. They still haven't gotten serious yet lol.
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Great point, the best scenes are yet to come

But for me any DxD anime is still welcomed
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I'll see if i can ease your confusion a bit.

The issue in my post was adaptation. The main argument defending the new art style (and what appears to be the new story choices) seems to be that anything "closer to the source material" is by default better, regardless if it concerns story or art. I don't think that's a particularly strong argument. Hence, i drew parallells to The Shining where King wanted Kubrick to have stayed closer to the book.

Personally, i don't see much of a change in the percieved age of the characters. For me it has much more to do with lack of details, lighting and contrast. The mood is so different. It's so much brighter and softer and the characters look weird and derpy.

Yes, i am going to ignore the japanese audience. Just like i ignore Potter-heads who whine about the film versions of their favorite books. This is my taste we're talking about, and i had no problems with season 3. Never knew about the behind-the-scenes troubles of the production. I don't read light novels. And i really liked the old art style.

I am terribly sorry, english is not my first language, and i don't understand your last sentence. I'd rather not guess what you mean, and risk putting words in your mouth.


The thing about the whole "closer to the source material" argument is that in this case it does hold up because what was done to season 3, while it was entertaining, heavily messes with the flow of the story. To continue, everything after that ending would need to be completely reworked.

These points are understandable because this is quite a change from the older style so it will take some getting use to though I personally happen to like it. Yeah the mood is different which shows how big the changes were, plus if memory serves, things have gotten ridiculous during tense moments before, so why wait till season 3 to do that.

So you're gonna ignore the original audience's complaints, seeing those as ridiculous but focus on you're own perspective? dude, that's just being willfully ignorant. I'll say this, I also enjoyed what we got in season 3, I also never knew about the behind-the-scenes issues until recently, and I did like the old art style but if what we got before messes with the future of the animation then i'll take the change. To me at least, I got into this art and animation pretty easily.

My apologies on the grammar, what I was saying is that I find it hard to understand that people would consider what we got in season 3 was the better option with all the information about what happened behind-the-scenes spreading.


Now i'm the one who is confused. I have only talked about art in this thread. At no point have i said anything about the S3 story. I'm fine with them reworking the story for the new season. I was also fine with the S3 story we got. S3 was as enjoyable to me as S1 and S2. Finding out now that the production was troubled does not change that for me.

Be kind enough back that you don't put words in my mouth. I never said anything about the japanese audience's complaints being ridiculous. In fact, i think they were/are probably quite fair, at least those that concern the plot. However, that does not change what my eyes see, or what i feel, when i look at an art style that does not appeal to me. Willfully ignorant? We're talking about super light entertainment here, not important social or political issues.

Let me be clear. I'm not trying to convince anyone to prefer the old style. If you like the new style better, great! Good for you! The name of this thread is " What do you think of the new art style?" I posted my thoughts on the new art style. (The first "negative" response to my thought was "That how asia looks like in the LN..............." and i still think that's a bad argument). I then responded to Hamudanu, who i thought was misrepresenting what people were actually saying, and got responses from two other people, you and Darklight0303.

And you know what? I have nothing to say to Darklight's answer. He stated his personal opinion, which i don't agree with. But i can't argue with it either. He actually adressed in particular what he liked about the new look. It's not a reason for anyone to change their mind, but as an answer to my question it was great! Saying "it's more like the LN art" is like saying "it looks better because it looks better."

Apology accepted, of course. I also apologise if i sound overly harsh or unclear sometimes. I still think you're talking about plot/story when you mention what we "got in season 3," and i don't have an opinion on that. I don't know exactly what plot points were changed or what is coming. I do understand the reasons for the change in style. That does not mean i have to like it.
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Anime_Dog said:


I'll see if i can ease your confusion a bit.

The issue in my post was adaptation. The main argument defending the new art style (and what appears to be the new story choices) seems to be that anything "closer to the source material" is by default better, regardless if it concerns story or art. I don't think that's a particularly strong argument. Hence, i drew parallells to The Shining where King wanted Kubrick to have stayed closer to the book.

Personally, i don't see much of a change in the percieved age of the characters. For me it has much more to do with lack of details, lighting and contrast. The mood is so different. It's so much brighter and softer and the characters look weird and derpy.

Yes, i am going to ignore the japanese audience. Just like i ignore Potter-heads who whine about the film versions of their favorite books. This is my taste we're talking about, and i had no problems with season 3. Never knew about the behind-the-scenes troubles of the production. I don't read light novels. And i really liked the old art style.

I am terribly sorry, english is not my first language, and i don't understand your last sentence. I'd rather not guess what you mean, and risk putting words in your mouth.


Just wait for the big fight that will happen in the second half the season. With the art style change, it will make the fight animations looks bad ass. Season's 3 animation was trash, looked like filler animation most of the time. It's still too early but once the 4th season is completed, compare the fight scenes from HERO to any of the other seasons.

I'm just laughing inside whenever I see people complain about the change or whatever. I'm really looking forward to the big fight that will happen this season just so I can see the people that were complaining be blown away. Another thing lots of people seem to forget is that this episode is episode 0 and it was a retcon/recap. Of course this episode was going to have some faulty scenes here and there and be rushed, it won't make sense for animators to put in lots of time, money, and effort into this one little episode. they still have an entire season to cover.

I think that we can't fairly judge what the new studio has done with the animation/ art style change just yet. They still haven't gotten serious yet lol.


The battle scenes are the boring parts =)
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Did people forget that last season had a shit ton of clunky animation?

I mean yes the first episode was rough in some scenes but you know what I will live with the change as long as they do the old formula correctly and tell a good story and have some of those amazing fight scenes.

I love reading people whining like babies about the change, like watch it or don't it's fairly simple. No need to come and ruin it for people who are okay with the change.
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Did people forget that last season had a shit ton of clunky animation?

I mean yes the first episode was rough in some scenes but you know what I will live with the change as long as they do the old formula correctly and tell a good story and have some of those amazing fight scenes.

I love reading people whining like babies about the change, like watch it or don't it's fairly simple. No need to come and ruin it for people who are okay with the change.



Yes complete agree with your statement.

I am just happy that volumes 9 and 10 will be animated.

Hope it is not the last one so that season 5 is announced for 2019 or 2020
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Did people forget that last season had a shit ton of clunky animation?

I mean yes the first episode was rough in some scenes but you know what I will live with the change as long as they do the old formula correctly and tell a good story and have some of those amazing fight scenes.

I love reading people whining like babies about the change, like watch it or don't it's fairly simple. No need to come and ruin it for people who are okay with the change.


Of course they forgot for the sake of their feeble arguments
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FallenUndead said:
Did people forget that last season had a shit ton of clunky animation?

I mean yes the first episode was rough in some scenes but you know what I will live with the change as long as they do the old formula correctly and tell a good story and have some of those amazing fight scenes.

I love reading people whining like babies about the change, like watch it or don't it's fairly simple. No need to come and ruin it for people who are okay with the change.


Well it has always been like this when some drastic change to a series occured, and you don't need to read these comments if these are enough to ruin your experience, but that's just my opinion.
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DXD for ever

Season 4 is great so far for me as fan

Hope to get Season 5 not too long after in 2019 or 2020
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blueswizzle said:


Just wait for the big fight that will happen in the second half the season. With the art style change, it will make the fight animations looks bad ass. Season's 3 animation was trash, looked like filler animation most of the time. It's still too early but once the 4th season is completed, compare the fight scenes from HERO to any of the other seasons.

I'm just laughing inside whenever I see people complain about the change or whatever. I'm really looking forward to the big fight that will happen this season just so I can see the people that were complaining be blown away. Another thing lots of people seem to forget is that this episode is episode 0 and it was a retcon/recap. Of course this episode was going to have some faulty scenes here and there and be rushed, it won't make sense for animators to put in lots of time, money, and effort into this one little episode. they still have an entire season to cover.

I think that we can't fairly judge what the new studio has done with the animation/ art style change just yet. They still haven't gotten serious yet lol.


The battle scenes are the boring parts =)


Maybe for you, but I’m starting to care more about the actual story instead of echii scenes now. I understand that’s what makes DxD popular but meh. Boobs are boobs. The once scene we got with Rias and issei in Episode 0 of HERO looked good enough for me. Honestly, this series is starting to become more action oriented with volumes 9 and 10, and if they go for a season 5 the echii starts to get dialed down just a little. By this point, I care more about the animation, especially after Born, than I do for the way the boobs look. I’m fine with the way the characters look, beside I never cared for Asia in the first place. Rias and Akeno looks great.
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As long as Issei vs Saiarog is good everything else doesn't matter to me.


This.
Having seen S4 00, I liked it as much as I did previous seasons.


ToBe2050goal said:
FallenUndead said:
Did people forget that last season had a shit ton of clunky animation?

I mean yes the first episode was rough in some scenes but you know what I will live with the change as long as they do the old formula correctly and tell a good story and have some of those amazing fight scenes.

I love reading people whining like babies about the change, like watch it or don't it's fairly simple. No need to come and ruin it for people who are okay with the change.



Yes complete agree with your statement.

I am just happy that volumes 9 and 10 will be animated.

Hope it is not the last one so that season 5 is announced for 2019 or 2020

Exactly, that we are getting this, is already a miracle itself and only due to the LN writter which from my experience in reading his afterwords was always a chill dude that loved doing what he was doing alot. And I cant thank him enough what he did here, otherwise there would never be a S4 after S3 late trainwreck. (I said late cuz early stuff were actually good enough)
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blueswizzle said:
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The battle scenes are the boring parts =)


Maybe for you, but I’m starting to care more about the actual story instead of echii scenes now. I understand that’s what makes DxD popular but meh. Boobs are boobs. The once scene we got with Rias and issei in Episode 0 of HERO looked good enough for me. Honestly, this series is starting to become more action oriented with volumes 9 and 10, and if they go for a season 5 the echii starts to get dialed down just a little. By this point, I care more about the animation, especially after Born, than I do for the way the boobs look. I’m fine with the way the characters look, beside I never cared for Asia in the first place. Rias and Akeno looks great.


I'm mostly into HS DXD for the comedy, the character interactions and because it's a fun concept. I love the over-the-top sillines of smashing tohether all the world's religions and mythology and that the main protagonist's power is fuelled by his libido. It's trashy fun, with a surprisingly lot of heart. I don't really mind the ecchi, but it would probably have been an even better show if there was a bit less of it.
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blueswizzle said:


Maybe for you, but I’m starting to care more about the actual story instead of echii scenes now. I understand that’s what makes DxD popular but meh. Boobs are boobs. The once scene we got with Rias and issei in Episode 0 of HERO looked good enough for me. Honestly, this series is starting to become more action oriented with volumes 9 and 10, and if they go for a season 5 the echii starts to get dialed down just a little. By this point, I care more about the animation, especially after Born, than I do for the way the boobs look. I’m fine with the way the characters look, beside I never cared for Asia in the first place. Rias and Akeno looks great.


I'm mostly into HS DXD for the comedy, the character interactions and because it's a fun concept. I love the over-the-top sillines of smashing tohether all the world's religions and mythology and that the main protagonist's power is fuelled by his libido. It's trashy fun, with a surprisingly lot of heart. I don't really mind the ecchi, but it would probably have been an even better show if there was a bit less of it.


Same. I loved the over the top retarded stuff the main character does to power up, it’s hilarious. I don’t mind the level of echii the show has right now. It’s what got me into the anime and the light novel in the first place. But I wouldn’t mind if the show had more dramatic and serious moments from time to time.
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blueswizzle said:
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I'm mostly into HS DXD for the comedy, the character interactions and because it's a fun concept. I love the over-the-top sillines of smashing tohether all the world's religions and mythology and that the main protagonist's power is fuelled by his libido. It's trashy fun, with a surprisingly lot of heart. I don't really mind the ecchi, but it would probably have been an even better show if there was a bit less of it.


Same. I loved the over the top retarded stuff the main character does to power up, it’s hilarious. I don’t mind the level of echii the show has right now. It’s what got me into the anime and the light novel in the first place. But I wouldn’t mind if the show had more dramatic and serious moments from time to time.


Well there's plenty of more serious stuff in later volumes from here on out
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