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Feb 22, 2008 9:58 AM
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Stupid chapter really. Amaterasu is supposed to be unavoidable yet Sasuke manages to avoid it using some stupid replacement technique. Then he has a technique that is like Amaterasu but he has no chakra but he can pull it off? Seems stupid. >_>

Feb 22, 2008 10:08 AM
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This fight between Sasuke and Itachi is just not living up to the hype. If Itachi dies here and now to emo boy then I don't know if I'll continue reading the series.



Feb 22, 2008 10:14 AM
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lol...I think its been an awesome fight. Myself anyway. I think that Itachi has too many fanboys and that people are gunna be ranting about this fight for all of time. Look Sauske was stronger then Ochimaru right? He has all of Orchimaru's knowledge and techniques. And Itachi was afraid of Jirayra, because he feared it would be ended with his own death or with a double kill. And we all know Orchimaru > Jirayra. Put that with the fact that we know that Itachi's eye are severally suffering and its no wonder that Sauske is standing on level if not above Itachi.
Feb 22, 2008 10:22 AM
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Ok. How about the fact that Sasuke was almost beaten by Deidara who is muuuuuuuuuuch weaker than Itachi. Care to explain how Sasuke barely managed to win against him when Deidara couldn't even hold his own against Itachi?
Feb 22, 2008 10:35 AM
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good chapter, but hope this fight was worth reading, cause if Sasuke had a tough time against Deidara, it just seems a waste if he can overcome Itachi that easily XD

but looking forward to the next chapter
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Let see what he pulls off with his next attack, but if Emo Sasuke beats Itachi then whats next for him? We still have the Sasuke Emo Squad, are we going to flash back to the fight with Kisame and Suigetsu, or go back to the Naruto fight, and what about Jairya. Its all over the place >.<
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Nah after the fight you'll get a chapter or two of childhood flashbacks between Sasuke and Itachi, isnt that usually what happens?



Feb 22, 2008 2:03 PM
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we'll probably see "that jutsu", the one that Sasuke was gonna use in the Land Of the Grass arc. Orochimaru stopped him that time though.
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This fight between Sasuke and Itachi is just not living up to the hype. If Itachi dies here and now to emo boy then I don't know if I'll continue reading the series.


One of these brothers need to die here, otherwise, this whole thing will be stupid. I mean, c'mon, its about time to move on with the storyline with Naruto and if, by some stupid ass means, one of these guys stays alive (typical shounen-ness), I'll threaten to drop my rating of Naruto manga to like a 5 or something.

Anyway, fight has been rather interesting. I'd say something like "I can't wait to see this animated," buuuuut with the crappy Naruto vs. Orochimaru rendition, I've given up pretty much all hope for decent animation for all of this.
Feb 22, 2008 2:52 PM

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1 word. Yawn.

Just kill one of them off and save yourself further embarrassment.
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we'll probably see "that jutsu", the one that Sasuke was gonna use in the Land Of the Grass arc. Orochimaru stopped him that time though.


I'm thinking the same thing


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I'm looking forward to the next chapter. Can't wait to see how this unfolds. As for 390, I thought it was alright. It was nice to see the degradation of Itachi's right eye.
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so what would you do if neither dies?
Feb 22, 2008 4:51 PM

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^how can this fight end without one of them dying? This has been an okay fight, I prefered the Jiraya one actually, to be honest is Naruto going to show up in Naruto anymore, I feel we really haven't concentrated on him since the Sauske and Sai arc.
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Feb 22, 2008 5:12 PM

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Most likely, one of them must die. It will be like this: 391 - final jutsu, 392-393 - flashback, 394 - either one of them dies.
Feb 22, 2008 6:48 PM

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okay, I thought it was awesome but...somethings wrong. Sasuke had trouble w/Deidara who is a lot weaker then Itachi and this fights going wayy too Dragonball Z with the author somehow making up ways to avoid the unavoidable.


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I see i'm not the only one who noticed Itachi lost the sharingan in his right eye after he used Amaterasu, maybe hes gone blind in that one eye?. Have to agree with Garywafu, you can bet there will be a flashback chapter.



Feb 22, 2008 7:54 PM
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Sasuke, you're pretty cool.

Itachi, if he survives, will be going eyepatch shopping soon. Maybe Kenpachi can tell him some good places? XD
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Darkreaper70 said:
Stupid chapter really. Amaterasu is supposed to be unavoidable yet Sasuke manages to avoid it using some stupid replacement technique.


Read the chapter again, Amaterasu attacks at what the eye is focusing, if Itachi is focusing on the wrong target, that is what Amaterasu will attack.
Sasuke fooled Itachi, not Amaterasu!
Dont forget Itachi is partially blind!!!

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Ok. How about the fact that Sasuke was almost beaten by Deidara who is muuuuuuuuuuch weaker than Itachi. Care to explain how Sasuke barely managed to win against him when Deidara couldn't even hold his own against Itachi?


And when did that happen, it happened well at the beggining of the creation of Akatsuki!
Do you really only expect Sasuke got more powerful, arent the other people alowed to train, just because we dont see it!!! Also, Itachi defeated Deidara with Ilusions, that is why Deidara tells Sasuke that he was prepared for it this time. Also dont forget Itachi is weaker now than he was before due to overuse of his eye jutsu's!


Anything else you wanna throw at me???

It was a great chapter, i loved reading it!!!
Feb 22, 2008 9:30 PM

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I think they're stretching this fight out waaayyy too much. I know this fight is very important and all, but it's not really living up to the hype for me.



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Darkreaper70 said:
Stupid chapter really. Amaterasu is supposed to be unavoidable yet Sasuke manages to avoid it using some stupid replacement technique.


Read the chapter again, Amaterasu attacks at what the eye is focusing, if Itachi is focusing on the wrong target, that is what Amaterasu will attack.
Sasuke fooled Itachi, not Amaterasu!
Dont forget Itachi is partially blind!!!

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Ok. How about the fact that Sasuke was almost beaten by Deidara who is muuuuuuuuuuch weaker than Itachi. Care to explain how Sasuke barely managed to win against him when Deidara couldn't even hold his own against Itachi?


And when did that happen, it happened well at the beggining of the creation of Akatsuki!
Do you really only expect Sasuke got more powerful, arent the other people alowed to train, just because we dont see it!!! Also, Itachi defeated Deidara with Ilusions, that is why Deidara tells Sasuke that he was prepared for it this time. Also dont forget Itachi is weaker now than he was before due to overuse of his eye jutsu's!


Anything else you wanna throw at me???

It was a great chapter, i loved reading it!!!


Ok since you are suuuuuuch a fan of Naruto (I will hold back calling you a Narutard) maybe you want to read it again. At page 17 read what Sasuke says. He says "This technique is like Amaterasu, impossible to avoid" what does that tell us? It tells us that it's impossible to avoid. >_>

Zetsu said that it burns anything it focuses on but how would he know. >_> He never did it or probably seen it before.

Onto the next target.

If Deidara got stronger as well why not Itachi? >_> Thanks to YOUR reasoning if Itachi was strong back then shouldn't he be stronger NOW. But what is this??? He is getting overpowered?? By Sasuke??Who almost lost to Deidara?? OMG. Btw that is all sarcasm.

Anything else?
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First off, lol @ Narutard, first time i hear that :P
Also normaly i would not care if you were wrong (people tend to guess to much stuff about what will happen in future of anime/manga) but today i was in the debating mood :P

Part 1 : Anyway, you have not proved what i said is wrong, so i wait till your reply.
I said that it burns everything the eye is focused on! (check page 3)
So you still yet to have proven that wrong!
All you did was say that Zetsu's words cannot be trusted, but you suddenly trust Sasuke's words...
You cant say Zetsu has never seen it, so we cant believe what he sais, but Sasuke who has never seen it, we believe what he sais...

P.S. Zetsu knew Itachi longer, at least 3 years together with Itachi in Akatsuki.
We know that Zetsu went to watch the match since he wanted to see Amateratsu, so if its a battle of who's words are most trustworthy, then its Zetsu!

Part 2: Noone can prove who got stronger or who got weaker during those three years, but since i wanna debate, i will go on.
Itachi might have goten stronger at jutsu's but due to the use of his eye's he is getting blinder and blinder...
Also dont forget that Sasuke vs Deidara, Deidara had the advantage, since he was attacking from ranged, and sasuke had to keep trying to get close.
Feb 22, 2008 10:47 PM

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Wow are you stupid? Sasuke read what the Sharigan is really about so he knows what is what. >_> He knew how to counter Tsukiyomi because of this. >_> So why would he NOT know about Amaterasu?

So? Itachi is still not completely blind therefore he can still see. That won't affect his overall performance. >_> Don't make stupid assumptions.
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Darkreaper70 said:
Wow are you stupid? Sasuke read what the Sharigan is really about so he knows what is what. >_> He knew how to counter Tsukiyomi because of this. >_> So why would he NOT know about Amaterasu?

So? Itachi is still not completely blind therefore he can still see. That won't affect his overall performance. >_> Don't make stupid assumptions.


You seem to be making assumptions...
You assume Sasuke knows, again prove it to me!!!

Also being partially blind does not lower performance??? I dont see your logic there, sorry.

Also, you keep avoiding my questions. When i asked about what Zetsu said, how the eye has to see the target!
You have not answer that, you are avoiding it!!!
Feb 23, 2008 1:27 AM

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Sasuke is only still alive and doing so well is b/c he's Kishimoto's favorite character, and he is making Itachi look horrible.
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yeah i was quite disappointed in this subject at hand.

Feb 23, 2008 6:34 AM

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I think it's almost to drop Naruto manga for me.

First, Masashi kills off Jiraiya, now he's gonna kill off Itachi.



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I think it's almost to drop Naruto manga for me.

First, Masashi kills off Jiraiya, now he's gonna kill off Itachi.


To be fair, he's barely killed off any people at this point. At least it's better than no one dying *coughBleachcough*

Besides, you make Itachi dying sound like a bad thing :/
Feb 23, 2008 10:23 AM

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We take Sauske's word for it over Zetsu's because Sauske read up on them.
I am sick over super sauske, remember when he pop the nine tailed fox, Sauske has way too much power, he overpowered Orochimaru and now Itachi quite easily. Maybe my dream final match will happen and Naruto will have to kill Sauske.
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I'm tired of people using the fights with Deidara for a comparison of strength between the two brothers. There's nothing to compare. The fights were entirely different.

Itachi and Deidara both fought on the ground, where Deidara was put into submission through the use of genjutsu. Itach was also likely aware of Deidara's fighting style at the time.

But, with Sasuke and Deidara, Deidara was up in the sky, while Sasuke is a close-to-mid-range fighter. Sasuke knew nothing of his enemy, and had to use trial and error to learn about Deidara's abilities and limits. Deidara, on the other hand, knew at least part of what to expect from Sasuke. Despite the elemental advantage, Sasuke was at a huge disadvantage overall. The fight was a complete mismatch.

And even with his disadvantages, Sasuke was still mostly in control of the whole fight. Most of the damage Sasuke took was from one, single explosion, his own Chidori, and the final, massive explosion.

The Itachi vs. Sasuke fight, on the other hand, consisted of two men who mainly use genjutsu, taijutsu and flame-based attacks at short-to-mid-range. A much more even match.

As for Amateratsu: Sasuke didn't avoid it. It hit his wing. So, he probably lost the wing, and let it burn while he was able to save his life. The flame didn't immediately reach his body because the tough skin of his wing is resistant to flame, which was made clear in the last chapter.
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I'm tired of people using the fights with Deidara for a comparison of strength between the two brothers. There's nothing to compare. The fights were entirely different.

Itachi and Deidara both fought on the ground, where Deidara was put into submission through the use of genjutsu. Itach was also likely aware of Deidara's fighting style at the time.

But, with Sasuke and Deidara, Deidara was up in the sky, while Sasuke is a close-to-mid-range fighter. Sasuke knew nothing of his enemy, and had to use trial and error to learn about Deidara's abilities and limits. Deidara, on the other hand, knew at least part of what to expect from Sasuke. Despite the elemental advantage, Sasuke was at a huge disadvantage overall. The fight was a complete miss-match.

And even with his disadvantages, Sasuke was still mostly in control of the whole fight. Most of the damage Sasuke took was from one, single explosion, his own Chidori, and the final, massive explosion.

The Itachi vs. Sasuke fight, on the other hand, consisted of two men who mainly use genjutsu, taijutsu and flame-based attacks at short-to-mid-range. A much more even match.


Goddamit, you beat me to it.

I'd like to add that it's not as simple as a rock, paper, scissors situation. its not Sasuke > Itachi > Deidara or any variation of that (just an example). You have to take into account that Itachi resorted to his aces early but didn't get the results he wanted. using Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu consecutively took out a lot from him.
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I'm sorry but darkreaper, you are an idiot and you have no idea what you're talking about. Don't take everything thats been said literally, especially if you're reading a translation, as there's bound to be an inconsistency on what they meant to say. The point is, sasuke avoided ameratsu because itchi was focusing it on the replacement sasuke. even if it wasnt a replacement, itachi stopped the technique early anyways to save sasuke's eyes. and besides, everything aside, it's not surprising at all that itachi is losing here, if any other opponent was fighting him, and tsukuyomi AND ameratsu failed to take them out, they would be winning too because itachi is exhausted at this point. He's a 2 hit wonder, then he's done. Sorry fangirls, he sucks. In closing who the hell cares about deidra.
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I'm sorry but darkreaper, you are an idiot and you have no idea what you're talking about. Don't take everything thats been said literally, especially if you're reading a translation, as there's bound to be an inconsistency on what they meant to say. The point is, sasuke avoided ameratsu because itchi was focusing it on the replacement sasuke. even if it wasnt a replacement, itachi stopped the technique early anyways to save sasuke's eyes. and besides, everything aside, it's not surprising at all that itachi is losing here, if any other opponent was fighting him, and tsukuyomi AND ameratsu failed to take them out, they would be winning too because itachi is exhausted at this point. He's a 2 hit wonder, then he's done. Sorry fangirls, he sucks. In closing who the hell cares about deidra.



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I'm sorry but darkreaper, you are an idiot and you have no idea what you're talking about. Don't take everything thats been said literally, especially if you're reading a translation, as there's bound to be an inconsistency on what they meant to say. The point is, sasuke avoided ameratsu because itchi was focusing it on the replacement sasuke. even if it wasnt a replacement, itachi stopped the technique early anyways to save sasuke's eyes. and besides, everything aside, it's not surprising at all that itachi is losing here, if any other opponent was fighting him, and tsukuyomi AND ameratsu failed to take them out, they would be winning too because itachi is exhausted at this point. He's a 2 hit wonder, then he's done. Sorry fangirls, he sucks. In closing who the hell cares about deidra.


So I'm supposed to believe you over people who have been studying Japanese for a long time? No thanks. I'd rather call you the idiot. Btw Itachi used Ameterasu twice. Two Ameterasu and one Tsukiyomi and they all failed against him? Ok your right Sasuke owns. /end sarcasm.
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Shiken_ said:
I'm sorry but darkreaper, you are an idiot and you have no idea what you're talking about. Don't take everything thats been said literally, especially if you're reading a translation, as there's bound to be an inconsistency on what they meant to say. The point is, sasuke avoided ameratsu because itchi was focusing it on the replacement sasuke. even if it wasnt a replacement, itachi stopped the technique early anyways to save sasuke's eyes. and besides, everything aside, it's not surprising at all that itachi is losing here, if any other opponent was fighting him, and tsukuyomi AND ameratsu failed to take them out, they would be winning too because itachi is exhausted at this point. He's a 2 hit wonder, then he's done. Sorry fangirls, he sucks. In closing who the hell cares about deidra.


So I'm supposed to believe you over people who have been studying Japanese for a long time? No thanks. I'd rather call you the idiot. Btw Itachi used Ameterasu twice. Two Ameterasu and one Tsukiyomi and they all failed against him? Ok your right Sasuke owns. /end sarcasm.


LOOOOL

There is no use debating against him Shiken... You cant convince him that the world is not flat! /end sarcasm!
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Sasuke is so damn broken it's ridiculous. Yes, I realize he's supposed to be stronger, but having him blow through three major enemies, two of which he's had little problems, its ridiculous.

I really looked forward to this, but now I wish it would end. The fight has been pretty boring as hell simply due to the fact that Sasuke has pretty much walked all over Itachi.

In the meantime, we'll watch Naruto get a powerup at the cost of him having another stupid huge handicap. ugh.
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Sasuke is so damn broken it's ridiculous. Yes, I realize he's supposed to be stronger, but having him blow through three major enemies, two of which he's had little problems, its ridiculous.

I really looked forward to this, but now I wish it would end. The fight has been pretty boring as hell simply due to the fact that Sasuke has pretty much walked all over Itachi.

In the meantime, we'll watch Naruto get a powerup at the cost of him having another stupid huge handicap. ugh.


It's because the author(Kishimoto) of the manga loves Sasuke, he even said it in an interview that he's his favorite character, so of course he's going to make Sasuke look like a badass.

I understand that he's a main character in a typical shounen andthat he's suppose to win, but yea like you said raysel, it just seems too easy for him.
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Sasuke is so damn broken it's ridiculous. Yes, I realize he's supposed to be stronger, but having him blow through three major enemies, two of which he's had little problems, its ridiculous.

I really looked forward to this, but now I wish it would end. The fight has been pretty boring as hell simply due to the fact that Sasuke has pretty much walked all over Itachi.

In the meantime, we'll watch Naruto get a powerup at the cost of him having another stupid huge handicap. ugh.


Sasuke looks so unstoppable because Kishimoto had to make it believable that he could beat Itachi, a man who killed half of the Uchiha clan, and defeated both Kakashi and Orochimaru.

Plus, Deidara had to be killed off somehow, and Sasuke's new strength had to be shown, just like Sakura and Naruto's were in the previous story arcs, so he managed to do both.
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Wasn't Deidara just a teenager back then? He had just created his abilities. Obviously he would be much stronger afterwards.

I think Itachi relied too much on his eye techniques that take too much of him. If he fought with other jutsu a little also he might have done something more. In general Itachi became too much of a genjunsu user. From the moment that failed he lost the advantage.
Also Sasuke absorbed Orochimaru and has the seal that makes you more powerful.No wonder his strong. But still i expected more from Itachi.
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