Kittens-kun said: well it's garbage, pretentious, ugly, and a waste of time. Lol the DevilMan vs 009 was betterBotan-Chan45 said: Because that's what this show is. Do you have anything else to say besides buzzwords? |
| Yeah right there is no way a doujin about vomit exists. Good song https://soundcloud.com/yeungkakit33/op4-hekireki-last-alliance Tsumino account is BigMaraIppo Another Good Song Listen to テスト by mukami #np on #SoundCloud https://soundcloud.com/mukami/77a Ashita no Joe and Megalo box are disappointing anime. My reviews:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Botan-Chan45/reviews Best Naruto Op: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByCNZxOBVWM&list=RDByCNZxOBVWM&index=1 discord name: Chitoge Kirisaki#9564 https://discord.gg/nGKu6zx my discord server for plebs |
Botan-Chan45 said: Kittens-kun said: well it's garbage, pretentious, ugly, and a waste of time. Lol the DevilMan vs 009 was betterDo you have anything else to say besides buzzwords? 10/10 argumentation. |
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Kittens-kun said: thanks g. It was very detailed.Botan-Chan45 said: well it's garbage, pretentious, ugly, and a waste of time. Lol the DevilMan vs 009 was better 10/10 argumentation. |
| Yeah right there is no way a doujin about vomit exists. Good song https://soundcloud.com/yeungkakit33/op4-hekireki-last-alliance Tsumino account is BigMaraIppo Another Good Song Listen to テスト by mukami #np on #SoundCloud https://soundcloud.com/mukami/77a Ashita no Joe and Megalo box are disappointing anime. My reviews:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Botan-Chan45/reviews Best Naruto Op: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByCNZxOBVWM&list=RDByCNZxOBVWM&index=1 discord name: Chitoge Kirisaki#9564 https://discord.gg/nGKu6zx my discord server for plebs |
| I am going to try my best to give a clear articulate answer to the topic question, you know I will treat it like the person who took the time to make the topic wanted an understandable answer. There are people here who hated Devilman Crybaby who have no interest whatsoever in understanding that so on them this effort would be wasted, but I will do this anyway in the hopes the op actually genuinely wants this. It's quite a personal answer but context and personal experience tends to be very relevant to why anyone likes anything so; I'm a long time fan of Devilman, going back to watching the OVAs on the Sci fi channel when I was 16, 17 I think. It was pretty much the second anime I watched, after Akira, knowing what anime actually was. Those OVAs present an incomplete version of the story, it really is only about half of the original manga, maybe less. It extended the scenes involving the character of Sirene a lot in actuality, making her the main subject of the second part. But it was by far the most mindblowing stuff I'd seen at that point. it was beautifully animated, it was brutal, it felt hardcore and did a lot of my appreciation for horror. And that's the first point, if you don't get horror, if you don't see any value in it, then it is going to seem edgy for the sake of it. It's not, really stuff like Hellsing Ultimate and Death Note are far more edgy for the sake of doing so, doing it just to be cool or seem sophisticated. Devilman's a story with a lot of passion put into it, it's a very simple story that's about the ugliness in humanity and in particular hatred vs love. The story is about Satan, ultimately, and the tragedy of his repeated mistakes. Akira represents the good in humanity that Satan is never quite able to grasp but obviously is attracted to. At the same time the story cautions against the mistrust and paranoia that inevitably lead to war, and to make that point, it brutally kills just about every character. And that's appropriate for the points its trying to make. Now the Devilman Lady anime that I consider to be one of my favourites, offers a somewhat different and more hopeful take on this story, and I kinda like it more for that, but Devilman is a story that resonates, and its a tragedy above all. Now that is Devilman, I'm a fan for life, and just about any excuse to watch something with its name on it I'm going to do, no matter how bad or good it is. Crybaby really isn't what I want ideally, but it's not a bad take on the story. I find the animation style stands out, the music outside of the rapping is good and used well, it rushes through some plot points that were told a bit better in the manga. As someone who really doesn't find much to like about modern anime, I don't like the art, I don't like the types of stories that's typical of modern anime, it all looks like the same shit to me, and above all they really can't sell stories anymore because it has to appeal to the otakus in akihabara so it's going to be full of moe shit and it's going to have high school level storytelling so they can understand it. Devilman Crybaby is salvation from that, nothing fucking less. Its not only a great anime, it's about the only anime I thought was even worth watching, although Steins;Gate 0 and Yamato 2202 I will likely watch, and hope for good things from. And that's it, tl;dr I love the Devilman story, I find it a sincere story and I think Crybaby was a decent take on it and awesome pretty much just because of that. And if you're gonna start telling me animes that have better stories, well, name names, because I don't think there's many. |
hybridial said: I am going to try my best to give a clear articulate answer to the topic question, you know I will treat it like the person who took the time to make the topic wanted an understandable answer. There are people here who hated Devilman Crybaby who have no interest whatsoever in understanding that so on them this effort would be wasted, but I will do this anyway in the hopes the op actually genuinely wants this. It's quite a personal answer but context and personal experience tends to be very relevant to why anyone likes anything so; I'm a long time fan of Devilman, going back to watching the OVAs on the Sci fi channel when I was 16, 17 I think. It was pretty much the second anime I watched, after Akira, knowing what anime actually was. Those OVAs present an incomplete version of the story, it really is only about half of the original manga, maybe less. It extended the scenes involving the character of Sirene a lot in actuality, making her the main subject of the second part. But it was by far the most mindblowing stuff I'd seen at that point. it was beautifully animated, it was brutal, it felt hardcore and did a lot of my appreciation for horror. And that's the first point, if you don't get horror, if you don't see any value in it, then it is going to seem edgy for the sake of it. It's not, really stuff like Hellsing Ultimate and Death Note are far more edgy for the sake of doing so, doing it just to be cool or seem sophisticated. Devilman's a story with a lot of passion put into it, it's a very simple story that's about the ugliness in humanity and in particular hatred vs love. The story is about Satan, ultimately, and the tragedy of his repeated mistakes. Akira represents the good in humanity that Satan is never quite able to grasp but obviously is attracted to. At the same time the story cautions against the mistrust and paranoia that inevitably lead to war, and to make that point, it brutally kills just about every character. And that's appropriate for the points its trying to make. Now the Devilman Lady anime that I consider to be one of my favourites, offers a somewhat different and more hopeful take on this story, and I kinda like it more for that, but Devilman is a story that resonates, and its a tragedy above all. Now that is Devilman, I'm a fan for life, and just about any excuse to watch something with its name on it I'm going to do, no matter how bad or good it is. Crybaby really isn't what I want ideally, but it's not a bad take on the story. I find the animation style stands out, the music outside of the rapping is good and used well, it rushes through some plot points that were told a bit better in the manga. As someone who really doesn't find much to like about modern anime, I don't like the art, I don't like the types of stories that's typical of modern anime, it all looks like the same shit to me, and above all they really can't sell stories anymore because it has to appeal to the otakus in akihabara so it's going to be full of moe shit and it's going to have high school level storytelling so they can understand it. Devilman Crybaby is salvation from that, nothing fucking less. Its not only a great anime, it's about the only anime I thought was even worth watching, although Steins;Gate 0 and Yamato 2202 I will likely watch, and hope for good things from. And that's it, tl;dr I love the Devilman story, I find it a sincere story and I think Crybaby was a decent take on it and awesome pretty much just because of that. And if you're gonna start telling me animes that have better stories, well, name names, because I don't think there's many. Thank you for telling me your story. It makes me happy that this anime held so many nice memories for you. Just because I didnt like it doesnt mean you cant like it. As long as youre happy. Im sure I'll have an anime that makes me feel nostalgic and happy as much as this one did for you in the future. Thanks! |
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| Because it's an elitist fave and every elitist fave show is objectively good. |
MrCarelessSMar 25, 2018 5:26 AM
| It is weird that Devilman is being called Elitist and bandwagon at the same time. What world am I in? |
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assyrian said: because people dont know what good anime is This. They prefer bad depicted gore and tits to a solid plot and good drawings. This is really one of the worst anime I've ever seen. |
WhiteWolfKiba said: stuff Your post is very fair, actually. Having thought about it more, I concluded that crybaby really has a large flaw; it really expects you to be familiar with the source material. And I am, so okay, but there's an obvious problem there, and one I won't defend, it would not have been hard to tell the story in 10 episodes and be clear about it (10 episodes might not seem like a lot but the only reason anything was rushed here because of what Crybaby added). The very fair point about Ryo's plans and motivations not making a lot of sense is not even an issue in the manga, because, and I guess this isn't a major spoiler at this point because you know Ryo is Satan... but he does not know this at the start of the original story. It is something he comes to find out later, and it just makes way more sense. Honestly what I'd most hope for Crybaby is that given Seven Seas are finally releasing the Devilman manga formally, that more people check it out. Crybaby probably did it both a service and a disservice; it does offer a window into the material, but its issues might scare people off. The original manga did still have a fair amount of sex and violence but less than Crybaby. Its better, it makes more sense, if you at least found the ideas presented *could* be interesting with better execution, you will get that from the manga. |
maxthel1on said: Actually this is the first time I bother to write something here (not so sure why now but welp). I'm not a fan of gore or an ending like Devilman had, but I really liked the animation and the OST. The simpler animation makes it so that the action scenes can feel really nice, I'm not so sure if that makes sense but at least for me I enjoyed it for that reason. The soundtrack damn, simply amazing it went pretty well with it just that, I think the opening was what made me like this a lot more. I think the character development was ok and I kind of get when some people say that they didn't get attached to any of them, 10 episodes are clearly not enough to develop a character completely, but I did and some other people did too, I guess it's just a matter of opinion. The story was nice even though it was really depressing (cause I was attached to the characters). This is just my opinion so yeah. Hope you at least enjoyed something of this anime. (not so sure if I'd give it an 8 or a 9)/10 for me. Although it's not my fave anime, i dont feel like I wasted my time watching it! Im glad this is your first post on here! It's appreciated! |
| I can see why people like it: it's unique, it's visually interesting, it's super violent, and it's easily accessible. Personally, though, I'm not a fan. At times, it felt like a GAR action series, and at others, it was more in the vein of Yuasa's typical eccentric works. But those two sides felt like oil and water and never truly blended together into a cohesive whole. |
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| Personally, I found it extremely excruciating to watch, and not because of the graphic content, but because I thought the show was going die-hard in terms of shoving the graphic violence and sexual themes at the viewers. It had some good moments like when Devilman tried to appeal to the human crowd emotionally, but the overall experience for me was not a pleasing one. Regardless, to each his own, and I can understand why a good majority of people may like or love it. P.S. I don't use Netflix, so the easy accessibility thing doesn't apply for me :P |
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| If anyone's familiar with the concept of "art house films", this is vibe I get from the show. Unadulterated sex/violence, flooded with symbolism and thematic devices rather than plot devices that give it direction and tell a cohesive story, and not designed for mainstream appeal. I wasn't expecting to enjoy it, yet I am. On the other hand, I expected great things from Megalobox, yet to me, that turned out to be a huge flaming pile of doo-doo that somehow is rated 8+ by the community. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| Amazing OST, visuals, and well written. That's just some of it. I could have given it a 10/10 but I think they overused the sex scenes. Also the pacing went too fast near the end of the series. |
| im indifferent to violence dont like sex in my media and those parts annoyed me yet i love devilman crybaby and is my favourite anime from 2018. strange isnt it |
| Basically because both Yuasa and Nagai have a very passionate fanbase that piously believes they can do no wrong. I mean, the fact that the original Devilman is regarded as a masterful exploration of human evil/depravation by some when it's just a shallow excuse for mindless violence already baffles me enough, and since the anime basically improved everything the manga did I'm not surprised people liked it so much. I mean, at least the anime tried to make us care for the characters. The manga writing is utterly awful. |
| It honestly left on me such a huge impact that I just couldn't hate it,the whole athmosphere of the show is what I loved tbh, this dark gritty story with weird trippy visuals and an amazing ost.I liked it because of how unique the anime was. The only reason I gave it an 8 and not more is, like many said, because of the pacing issues and for me the ending was fucked up tbh. |
Satyr_icon said: I mean, at least the anime tried to make us care for the characters. Yes, Crybaby sure made you care for Ryo Asuka by turning him into a complete asshole. Your analysis of Devilman, of Go Nagai is so inaccurate it's laughable. Not liking a series is one thing which people can and should accept. Different opinions and all, but accusing the author of USING A THEME AS AN EXCUSE FOR MINDLESS VIOLENCE? Excuse me, did you talk to Go Nagai at any cons he's been to? Do you know his psyche? What you're literally doing here is a character smear. I mean I'm not surprised. The anime community is full of social justice warriors who want to project their own moral agenda on works of art, by calling things they don't like "mindless violence". Little do they know; human violence is never mindless, ever. tolga1991 said: Seriously how the hell is this chosen as the anime of the year? It looks like a murder fantasy of a 12 year old kid. I've seen around 8500+ episodes of anime so I'm not bashing it without knowledge I've seeen the best and I've seen the worst. Still cant understand any hype around this anime after watching episode 7. Guess all the 8500+ episodes of anime you watched didn't make you any smarter. If you can't understand why people can like some things and you don't, then maybe try living in the real world and away from anime. |
DocJangarlySep 11, 2019 4:48 PM
DocJangarly said: Yes, Crybaby sure made you care for Ryo Asuka by turning him into a complete asshole. Your analysis of Devilman, of Go Nagai is so inaccurate it's laughable. Not liking a series is one thing which people can and should accept. Different opinions and all, but accusing the author of USING A THEME AS AN EXCUSE FOR MINDLESS VIOLENCE? Excuse me, did you talk to Go Nagai at any cons he's been to? Do you know his psyche? What you're literally doing here is a character smear. I mean I'm not surprised. The anime community is full of social justice warriors who want to project their own moral agenda on works of art, by calling things they don't like "mindless violence". Little do they know; human violence is never mindless, ever. lmao, I almost considered addressing your nagging (because no point was made) until that last paragraph. It being mindless violence wasn't even my problem with it. Mindless violence is always fun when done well. But yeah, go on calling everyone you disagree with an sjw, that must've worked for you up to now I guess. |
Satyr_iconSep 11, 2019 6:12 PM
Satyr_icon said: DocJangarly said: Yes, Crybaby sure made you care for Ryo Asuka by turning him into a complete asshole. Your analysis of Devilman, of Go Nagai is so inaccurate it's laughable. Not liking a series is one thing which people can and should accept. Different opinions and all, but accusing the author of USING A THEME AS AN EXCUSE FOR MINDLESS VIOLENCE? Excuse me, did you talk to Go Nagai at any cons he's been to? Do you know his psyche? What you're literally doing here is a character smear. I mean I'm not surprised. The anime community is full of social justice warriors who want to project their own moral agenda on works of art, by calling things they don't like "mindless violence". Little do they know; human violence is never mindless, ever. lmao, I almost considered addressing your nagging (because no point was made) until that last paragraph. It being mindless violence wasn't even my problem with it. Mindless violence is always fun when done well. But yeah, go on calling everyone you disagree with an sjw, that must've worked for you up to now I guess. No points were made? You just accused the author of using a theme as an excuse for mindless violence. This is what you said, not me. But yeah, go on calling everyone you disagree with an sjw, that must've worked for you up to now I guess. No. As a matter of fact, I don't. Why do you think I didn't reply to all these people who didn't like the show? Because they're allowed to have their differing opinions and I can't be bothered to correct them individually if they get some things wrong about the series. This is not what you did here though. You smeared a real living person. I called you specifically a SJW, not because you use terms like "mindless violence". It's because you accused the author of bad intentions, with no evidence at all. Character smear. Full stop. Mindless violence is always fun when done well. What is good mindless violence and bad mindless violence? There are no such things and you know it. |
DocJangarlySep 12, 2019 1:47 AM
DocJangarly said: No points were made? You just accused the author of using a theme as an excuse for mindless violence. This is what you said, not me. So you just confirmed you made no points in your last post. Ok, let's move on. I called you specifically a SJW, not because you use terms like "mindless violence". It's because you accused the author of bad intentions, with no evidence at all. Character smear. Full stop. I never said his intentions were bad, nor was my intention to smear the guy. I don't even think he did anything wrong. Chill the hell out, dude. I may have been hyperbolic in my statement, but none of his commentary on violence and the human nature is interesting nor deep enough to provoke even the slightest thought or change of perspective, so it felt like an excuse. I used it in a derogatory manner to the work, not the author. I don't know the guy, and I don't think he did it as just an excuse for violence. Even if he, hypothetically, did, that's fine. My opinion about his work remains the same anyway. There, I think I was specific enough this time, now can you stop being outraged over a Japanese guy who will never even read what I said? What is good mindless violence and bad mindless violence? There are no such things and you know it. Devilman is boring, thus it's bad. If there's nothing there to make you think, it could at least entertain you. I can handle bad writing, but not when it's trying so hard to accomplish something and constantly failing to. And no, I don't know it. Stop acting like everyone should think the way you do unless you do intend to have a conversation about your points of view and not just nag at me. |
Satyr_icon said: I don't think he did it as just an excuse for violence There. Wasn't that hard. This goes contrary to what you said earlier. Everything else you said about Devilman is just your opinion which I have no interest in talking about, especially because it's rather 1. vapid, and 2. your intent of coming to this board, not to discuss, but to start shit. I have absolutely no interest in people who denigrate authors because they dislike their work. It's authoritarian SJW behaviour. how can you stop being outraged over a Japanese guy who will never even read what I said You attack a role model for many artists, and you don't expect a backlash. Wow. I suppose I shouldn't be outraged because he's Japanese? That's what you're literally saying. Racist much? not just nag at me. Remember, you started attacking fans. You called out Nagai and Yuasa fans. You weren't just content with your opinion. Maybe don't start randomly attacking people next time. |
DocJangarly said: I suppose I shouldn't be outraged because he's Japanese? That's what you're literally saying. Racist much? ...and you call me an sjw? BWAHAHAHAH wow, the lack of self-consciousness (and interpretation skills) now is just hilarious. Maybe don't start randomly attacking people next time. I never attacked anybody. If you're so sensitive that you get offended by random people on the internet, it's your problem. Maybe grow a pair next time. Your whole post was just puerile whiny yadda yadda boo hoo so I won't bother with the rest of it. |
Satyr_iconSep 12, 2019 12:20 PM
Satyr_icon said: DocJangarly said: I suppose I shouldn't be outraged because he's Japanese? That's what you're literally saying. Racist much? ...and you call me an sjw? BWAHAHAHAH wow, the lack of self-consciousness (and interpretation skills) now is just hilarious. So why bother pointing out he's Japanese in that case? It's irrelevant. Of course, you don't have an answer, because you didn't think much of it. I'm extremely conscious of what I'm doing right now, and what you ARE doing. Of course, I don't think you were racist. I laid that comment to see if you would actually bite and use it against me, and you did. I was gauging your intelligence on the subject matter of SJWs, and your reply shows an extremely limited understanding of it. No wonder your comment on Devilman is so uninteresting and generic. Because if you knew anything about SJWs, just because someone is anti-sjw doesn't mean they can't detect hints of casual racism. The only difference is that I tend to think the racism over text is fucking irrelevant and there's no point in acting like a moralfag over it. Maybe don't start randomly attacking people next time. I never attacked anybody. If you're so sensitive that you get offended by random people on the internet, it's your problem. Maybe grow a pair next time. Your whole post was just puerile whiny yadda yadda boo hoo so I won't bother with the rest of it. I never said I'm offended. What makes you think I am? Oh, just because I replied to your post that means I'm about to rock my socks off? I'm just pointing out your dumb attacks on fans. Yes, my post is yadda yadda boo hoo. Let's just admit that you have no counter-arguments at all, that's why you're not going to bother. Fine, I'll be on my way. Don't start attacking groups of fans and not expect someone to reply to it next time. You posted on a public forum, you asked for it, and you got it. That is all. |
DocJangarly said: So why bother pointing out he's Japanese in that case? It's irrelevant. You completely ignored the last part of that sentence, which offered context as to the relevance of his nationality. For someone who enjoys gauging people's intelligence through the internet, you don't seem to possess much of it yourself. I never said I'm offended. What makes you think I am? Because you say you don't really care what I think but you keep on your endless diatribe because of what I think. Not really the best way to show you don't care. It's getting kinda pathetic now, to be honest. Yes, my post is yadda yadda boo hoo. Let's just admit that you have no counter-arguments at all, that's why you're not going to bother. You haven't even said anything of value for me to make an effort to counter-argument, so yeah. I mean, do you think all that libel and personal attacks you're doing qualifies as an argument? That's outright delusional. At this stage, rather than annoying I'm just finding this amusing. Fine, I'll be on my way. Don't start attacking groups of fans and not expect someone to reply to it next time. You posted on a public forum, you asked for it, and you got it. That is all.. I'm actually glad someone replied, I like having discussions here. I just wish it was someone brighter. This is a public forum, I'll keep saying what I want. You are free to keep getting offended by what I say and ranting into oblivion as well. |
Aquamirror said: Because Netshits produced it No. Netflix never produced any anime ever. |
| HACKs! 🤢🤮 |
SpaghettiSpike said: TIIIIIIDDDDDDIIIIIIEEEEEEESSSSSS LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| Because people easily sell their butt to shemale Satan |
| I find it ironic that most of this thread is trashing on people for liking this anime, usually wording things as if everyone on this site loves this anime. Yet the fact that most of the posts on this thread are hating on the show and the people that like it is proof that not everyone on this site loves this anime. Old_School_Akira said: Aquamirror said: Because Netshits produced it No. Netflix never produced any anime ever.  Though I'm not supporting the person that childishly called them netshits and the idea they are trying to convey. |
KristiwazhereJan 14, 2020 9:54 AM
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kandi_gloss said: I find it ironic that most of this thread is trashing on people for liking this anime, usually wording things as if everyone on this site loves this anime. Yet the fact that most of the posts on this thread are hating on the show and the people that like it is proof that not everyone on this site loves this anime. Though I'm not supporting the person that childishly called them netshits and the idea they are trying to convey. Netflix is not on the production committee. They only get the streaming rights to anime and slap the “Netflix Original” logo on it. |
| HACKs! 🤢🤮 |
Old_School_Akira said: kandi_gloss said: I find it ironic that most of this thread is trashing on people for liking this anime, usually wording things as if everyone on this site loves this anime. Yet the fact that most of the posts on this thread are hating on the show and the people that like it is proof that not everyone on this site loves this anime. Though I'm not supporting the person that childishly called them netshits and the idea they are trying to convey. Netflix is not on the production committee. They only get the streaming rights to anime and slap the “Netflix Original” logo on it. Producer = anyone that pays for the production of a tv show or movie, I'm not sure why you are so aggressively against the idea of netflix being credited as a producer anyhow. |
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| In my opinion it’s a bit weird and overrated I only really started to enjoy it in the last episodes, I watched it because I recently saw japan sinks 2020 and dmcb has the same creator but it wasn’t as good as I thought not saying it was bad though , but a lot of people do like it a lot because of the art style,colour,violent and it’s short but idk u either love it or hate it u know |
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