LucianRoy said: RE1031 said: At this point, I'm probably just going to move my vote back to grrr at the end of the day. As risky as it is for scum to claim TPR, and on top of it, counterclaim, it's just weird that he's encouraging a lynch. I don't want this to come bite in the back when it's down to a smaller group and we're stuck wondering who's scum. Impression of TheConquerer isn't much better, I don't know what to make of them switching back to grrr (like, I agree, but it doesn't give me any new information). Do you still read him as scum though? Definitely scummier than a lot of the other players. The only thing suggesting otherwise is his flavor claim. It did turn out to be a mistake, but I'm not sure scum would automatically admit to that if they were already receiving heat. |
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lastwhisper31 said: like I said I broke down and twice and got nothing conclusive myself now that I dropped the information you all can you make your own assumptions, assertions, assessments and move along the discussion.logic340 said: Things are feeling stagnate so I'll try to jump start us with a little info. The reason I questioned him about the above quote twice was the use of the word monster. In my role PM it clearly states that I am human. So TheConq saying "only a monster would want logic to fail" piqued my interest but was nothing telling in the responses I got? My role PM also gave me some information about the setup. Without getting too much into my role I'd like to share this information and see what we can make of it (without focusing too much on it since it is mechanics). I know that there humans and monsters in this game, I also know are there are spiritual players, who include but are not limited to the dead. I mean I understand your point Logic but the saying is "You monster" when your talking about someone doing something deplorable haha. I mean maybe theres a deeper meaning by this, I think its very slim though |
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RE1031 said: Definitely scummier than a lot of the other players. The only thing suggesting otherwise is his flavor claim. It did turn out to be a mistake, but I'm not sure scum would automatically admit to that if they were already receiving heat. Yeah, now that you bring that up, that actually makes a lot of sense. If Conq was scum, what would he have to gain by disputing my flavor? It really would just turn into a my word vs his word situation, and I don't feel like scum would want to put that kind of attention on themselves in any way shape or form. That's like, 100% townie conviction. Ok, I see you. Unvote |
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logic340 said: RE1031 said: let's talk about kit, floofs, and whisper. They're all kind of under the radar to me. At this point, I'm probably just going to move my vote back to grrr at the end of the day. As risky as it is for scum to claim TPR, and on top of it, counterclaim, it's just weird that he's encouraging a lynch. I don't want this to come bite in the back when it's down to a smaller group and we're stuck wondering who's scum. Impression of TheConquerer isn't much better, I don't know what to make of them switching back to grrr (like, I agree, but it doesn't give me any new information). I'm uncomfortable with kit and not in the usual sense. I just witnessed hee live scum game and I would liken her game to that one but they are completely different beasts and can't base a read solely on that.That being said her posts haven't most recent post she states she has town in neutral reads but doesn't list any of them. I'm null leaning scum at the moment. I have never seen floofs Town game. First Gabe they were tpr loved them for newnie town doe to lack of info (I was scum). Second Gabe be was obvious scum to me. Here nothing telling just kind of sitting there unnoticed. Whisper as I told him feels more like cometary over analysis. I asked him to help get Abu engaged by asking him questions and I haven't seen that. Not seeing the game solving, he wanted to see where voting Zymf would go, it's gone, he's not told us what's he gained from it, and he's still voting zymf? Wasn't floof town in Pyro's Rainbow Six? (also when you type "gabe" it sounds like you're speaking with a bloody nose.) I don't think I'm going to vote for her today, but if her lack of activity continues, we may have to. As for Kit, she's kind of in the same position as Floofs but for some reason I had her under town lean on my list. Her latest post actually gave me a little bit of town vibes because she advised against the tpr talk, which is something I wouldn't expect coming out of mafia, at the least. I don't know what lastwhisper is doing... The vote for Zymf is confusing. I can sort of see it as beneficial because I'd sooner lynch known TPR over potential town, but it's something that can easily be dealt with later on. |
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logic340 said: RE1031 said: let's talk about kit, floofs, and whisper. They're all kind of under the radar to me. At this point, I'm probably just going to move my vote back to grrr at the end of the day. As risky as it is for scum to claim TPR, and on top of it, counterclaim, it's just weird that he's encouraging a lynch. I don't want this to come bite in the back when it's down to a smaller group and we're stuck wondering who's scum. Impression of TheConquerer isn't much better, I don't know what to make of them switching back to grrr (like, I agree, but it doesn't give me any new information). I'm uncomfortable with kit and not in the usual sense. I just witnessed hee live scum game and I would liken her game to that one but they are completely different beasts and can't base a read solely on that.That being said her posts haven't most recent post she states she has town in neutral reads but doesn't list any of them. I'm null leaning scum at the moment. I have never seen floofs Town game. First Gabe they were tpr loved them for newnie town doe to lack of info (I was scum). Second Gabe be was obvious scum to me. Here nothing telling just kind of sitting there unnoticed. Whisper as I told him feels more like cometary over analysis. I asked him to help get Abu engaged by asking him questions and I haven't seen that. Not seeing the game solving, he wanted to see where voting Zymf would go, it's gone, he's not told us what's he gained from it, and he's still voting zymf? Well I was teaching Abu about morse code if that counts lol, and ya nothing techincally has come from keeping my vote on zymf, but I mean he doesnt have to say much now that his train isnt the currently being lynched train, so idk. I mean out of all the people that talked there really isnt much I see out of the ordinary, like I understand @TheConqueror originally reason for voting zymf, and I liked the thought which is why I put my first vote on zymf. I also understand why he switched to Grrr. Right now Grrr isnt really saying much even tho hes the top train which makes me feel as if he thinks hes gunna be safe in the end. Then theres you and Roy, I already believe you are town, tbh your my heaviest town lean right now and Roy is kinda in between town and neutral. I also could switch to Abu, but I mean all I have on him is his post about questioning peoples rvs votes which made no sense because an rvs doesnt really need an explanation. I also dont like how lamby comes in and just completely disses on other peoples reasonings for their votes. Like I get it you think the vote on Zymf is stupid, but if I was gunna keep my vote between Grrr or Zymf, then to me Zymf is my choice. So idk, idk who to vote for right now. |
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LucianRoy said: I like this as town points for both TheConq and RE.RE1031 said: Definitely scummier than a lot of the other players. The only thing suggesting otherwise is his flavor claim. It did turn out to be a mistake, but I'm not sure scum would automatically admit to that if they were already receiving heat. Yeah, now that you bring that up, that actually makes a lot of sense. If Conq was scum, what would he have to gain by disputing my flavor? It really would just turn into a my word vs his word situation, and I don't feel like scum would want to put that kind of attention on themselves in any way shape or form. That's like, 100% townie conviction. Ok, I see you. Unvote |
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RE1031 said: logic340 said: @RE1031 what else you got for us? I like your early game but that vibe is slipping and you are honestly more on the neutral boarder. I would like your thoughts on Laby, Kit, and coro please? Laby and Kit are in my neutral pile. Kit initially began as town, but she's gone down to neutral and sort of joined the rest of the inactive players. But I don't mind the pressure on her from you and LucianRoy; I feel like she's easier to read under pressure? At least from what I recall from the one game I played with her. Laby is honestly a lot harder to judge, I know he does a bunch of responses all at once, but the posts he's made so far don't really strike me as helpful, but not necessarily scummy. I look forward to the next burst of posts, actually kind of curious of his thoughts on yurkin. Nothing much else has changed about Coro, she's one of my stronger town reads at the moment, along with you. She's calling out some of the less active players, which is a good thing. I think you or LucianRoy were suspicious of her on something, I'll have to reread on that. But her vote's not in a bad place. I may want to move it there soon. Do you have any specific reasons you think Coro's push on Yurkin was good? What do you think of her vote on Conq? RE1031 said: Actually, didn't coromandel clear it up in #294? What's the problem again? Yeah, she's a town lean for me. What exactly did you see in this post that made you townread Coro? |
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LucianRoy said: RE1031 said: Laby and Kit are in my neutral pile. Kit initially began as town, but she's gone down to neutral and sort of joined the rest of the inactive players. But I don't mind the pressure on her from you and LucianRoy; I feel like she's easier to read under pressure? At least from what I recall from the one game I played with her. Laby is honestly a lot harder to judge, I know he does a bunch of responses all at once, but the posts he's made so far don't really strike me as helpful, but not necessarily scummy. I look forward to the next burst of posts, actually kind of curious of his thoughts on yurkin. Nothing much else has changed about Coro, she's one of my stronger town reads at the moment, along with you. She's calling out some of the less active players, which is a good thing. I think you or LucianRoy were suspicious of her on something, I'll have to reread on that. But her vote's not in a bad place. I may want to move it there soon. Do you have any specific reasons you think Coro's push on Yurkin was good? What do you think of her vote on Conq? It's mostly because I recently came out of a scum!yurkin game, and I thought I saw some of the same signs (tone specifically) in this game. It's not enough to make me want to lynch yurkin right now, but I liked that someone was pressuring her. I voted for Conq for similar reasons I believe, so nothing strange there. RE1031 said: Actually, didn't coromandel clear it up in #294? What's the problem again? Yeah, she's a town lean for me. What exactly did you see in this post that made you townread Coro? I liked her explanation. Her earlier post that said she agreed with me about you being scummy was a little strange, but she did have reasoning behind that as well as why she changed her mind. |
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RE1031 said: At this point, I'm probably just going to move my vote back to grrr at the end of the day. As risky as it is for scum to claim TPR, and on top of it, counterclaim, it's just weird that he's encouraging a lynch. I don't want this to come bite in the back when it's down to a smaller group and we're stuck wondering who's scum. Impression of TheConquerer isn't much better, I don't know what to make of them switching back to grrr (like, I agree, but it doesn't give me any new information). You're thinking in an end-game mindset, which isn't necessarily bad, but this isn't end-game. I mentioned earlier that if we shift our focus away from Grr/Zymf, there's a decent chance power roles or other in-game events will end up sorting the situation between those two. We can utilize day phases to catch/sort group-scum more effectively that way. |
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lastwhisper31 said: logic340 said: let's talk about kit, floofs, and whisper. They're all kind of under the radar to me. I'm uncomfortable with kit and not in the usual sense. I just witnessed hee live scum game and I would liken her game to that one but they are completely different beasts and can't base a read solely on that.That being said her posts haven't most recent post she states she has town in neutral reads but doesn't list any of them. I'm null leaning scum at the moment. I have never seen floofs Town game. First Gabe they were tpr loved them for newnie town doe to lack of info (I was scum). Second Gabe be was obvious scum to me. Here nothing telling just kind of sitting there unnoticed. Whisper as I told him feels more like cometary over analysis. I asked him to help get Abu engaged by asking him questions and I haven't seen that. Not seeing the game solving, he wanted to see where voting Zymf would go, it's gone, he's not told us what's he gained from it, and he's still voting zymf? Well I was teaching Abu about morse code if that counts lol, and ya nothing techincally has come from keeping my vote on zymf, but I mean he doesnt have to say much now that his train isnt the currently being lynched train, so idk. I mean out of all the people that talked there really isnt much I see out of the ordinary, like I understand @TheConqueror originally reason for voting zymf, and I liked the thought which is why I put my first vote on zymf. I also understand why he switched to Grrr. Right now Grrr isnt really saying much even tho hes the top train which makes me feel as if he thinks hes gunna be safe in the end. Then theres you and Roy, I already believe you are town, tbh your my heaviest town lean right now and Roy is kinda in between town and neutral. I also could switch to Abu, but I mean all I have on him is his post about questioning peoples rvs votes which made no sense because an rvs doesnt really need an explanation. I also dont like how lamby comes in and just completely disses on other peoples reasonings for their votes. Like I get it you think the vote on Zymf is stupid, but if I was gunna keep my vote between Grrr or Zymf, then to me Zymf is my choice. So idk, idk who to vote for right now. I'm more comfortable keeping Abu than other less active players as I feel he's somewhat easy to nail down when he gets talking. grrr I'm back at neutral theconq made some good points about lyncher which made me think possible Hitman. I'd be more willing to lynch here than Zymf but I think they'll both work themselves out. Not sure if he was serious about the replacement either? Laby is very hard to read there's content there but it's not surface level. He has a good understanding of the game and a great grasp of mechanics. Don't key hos posting style keep you from seeing his contribution like I have in the past. That said I'm still slowly working on that read neutral. How do you feel about coro/RE? They've both delivered content. Idrk who to vote either. I'm just not liking the top the options so based on my current level of discomfort kit I made her a fourth for now to see where others will start to move. edit: typos |
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RE1031 said: floofsc was so inactive I forgot they were in that game. Sorry about "Gabe" auto correct on swype be killing me. So meta wise this game is most like their town game, hm...logic340 said: let's talk about kit, floofs, and whisper. They're all kind of under the radar to me. I'm uncomfortable with kit and not in the usual sense. I just witnessed hee live scum game and I would liken her game to that one but they are completely different beasts and can't base a read solely on that.That being said her posts haven't most recent post she states she has town in neutral reads but doesn't list any of them. I'm null leaning scum at the moment. I have never seen floofs Town game. First Gabe they were tpr loved them for newnie town doe to lack of info (I was scum). Second Gabe be was obvious scum to me. Here nothing telling just kind of sitting there unnoticed. Whisper as I told him feels more like cometary over analysis. I asked him to help get Abu engaged by asking him questions and I haven't seen that. Not seeing the game solving, he wanted to see where voting Zymf would go, it's gone, he's not told us what's he gained from it, and he's still voting zymf? Wasn't floof town in Pyro's Rainbow Six? (also when you type "gabe" it sounds like you're speaking with a bloody nose.) I don't think I'm going to vote for her today, but if her lack of activity continues, we may have to. As for Kit, she's kind of in the same position as Floofs but for some reason I had her under town lean on my list. Her latest post actually gave me a little bit of town vibes because she advised against the tpr talk, which is something I wouldn't expect coming out of mafia, at the least. I don't know what lastwhisper is doing... The vote for Zymf is confusing. I can sort of see it as beneficial because I'd sooner lynch known TPR over potential town, but it's something that can easily be dealt with later on. I haven't gotten those town vibes from kit but I'll look back at that post and see if I can feel what you're feeling. I totally agree we can always move back to the third party claims later if need be but sitting on them now feels like a waste. |
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RE1031 said: LucianRoy said: Do you have any specific reasons you think Coro's push on Yurkin was good? What do you think of her vote on Conq? It's mostly because I recently came out of a scum!yurkin game, and I thought I saw some of the same signs (tone specifically) in this game. It's not enough to make me want to lynch yurkin right now, but I liked that someone was pressuring her. I voted for Conq for similar reasons I believe, so nothing strange there. What exactly did you see in this post that made you townread Coro? I liked her explanation. Her earlier post that said she agreed with me about you being scummy was a little strange, but she did have reasoning behind that as well as why she changed her mind. I see. I ask because I looked back at her vote on conqueror. coromandel said: TheConquerer said: No thats what I mean, it doesn't really seem to make sense that grr would be lying since he's only drawn attention to himself and doesn't benefit. Thats also why zymf over grrr, I don't necessarily see zymf as having a poor explanation of his role, its quite sound but its easy for mafia to list a possible tpr using the wiki. So for me between the two I see grrr as the more truthful. The way I see it, as lovers he just needs to survive till the game ends, helping town is the fastest way to that goal especially if he thinks he's spotted mafia. And if grrr fake-claimed, would you still suspect Zymf? Or is it just because these two are both claiming to be TPR? "No thats what I mean, it doesn't really seem to make sense that grr would be lying since he's only drawn attention to himself and doesn't benefit." But the same could be said about Zymf - why would mafia-Zymf claim to be TPR at the beginning of D1 when no one suspects him and the real TPR could counter-claim anytime? Both have drawn attention to themselves by claiming. Vote change: theConquerer I'm having trouble understanding her thought process on why she read Conqueror scum for this. Incorrect logic in and of itself isn't scummy, it's the intent behind it/ the scum motivation that makes it scummy. Care to explain further @Coromandel? |
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LucianRoy said: I'm having trouble understanding her thought process on why she read Conqueror scum for this. Incorrect logic in and of itself isn't scummy, it's the intent behind it/ the scum motivation that makes it scummy. Care to explain further @Coromandel? The thing about incorrect logic is you have to wonder where it comes from. There is a certain degree of "opinion" to it all, but going after Zymf instead of grrr is something very strange and it's not terribly uncommon for someone to doubt a player because they have information unavailable to town. However, that's not what I'm seeing in coromandel's explanation. |
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RE1031 said: LucianRoy said: I'm having trouble understanding her thought process on why she read Conqueror scum for this. Incorrect logic in and of itself isn't scummy, it's the intent behind it/ the scum motivation that makes it scummy. Care to explain further @Coromandel? The thing about incorrect logic is you have to wonder where it comes from. There is a certain degree of "opinion" to it all, but going after Zymf instead of grrr is something very strange and it's not terribly uncommon for someone to doubt a player because they have information unavailable to town. However, that's not what I'm seeing in coromandel's explanation. That isn't what I see either. Which is now part of why I want to pry further. |
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| quick read list (Willing to lynch anyone below Abu): Town: logic340 Town Read: LucianRoy, RE1031 Town Lean: TheCoquerer Independent: zymf Neutral: yurkin, Laby-Gaga, AbuHumaid, lastwhisper31, grrr, Floofs, coromandel Not Enough Info Karote, MrSkittles, Scum Lean: Kit |
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Shinichi-Kun said: A noon EST phase change would work wonderful with my work schedule tomorrow. I can take my lunch break from 11-12 so I'll have no interruptions.Announcement: Maximum of 2 hours before phase change if 6 people vote to increase the phase by an extra 1-2 Ill do it to help with those who have to wake up early |
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logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: A noon EST phase change would work wonderful with my work schedule tomorrow. I can take my lunch break from 11-12 so I'll have no interruptions.Announcement: Maximum of 2 hours before phase change if 6 people vote to increase the phase by an extra 1-2 Ill do it to help with those who have to wake up early Yeah, I second this |
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| I'm thinking of turning in soon, but I'd hate to leave the thread without a vote. Vote: Coromandel buenos noches |
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LucianRoy said: logic340 said: A noon EST phase change would work wonderful with my work schedule tomorrow. I can take my lunch break from 11-12 so I'll have no interruptions. Yeah, I second this ok so thats 4 votes then we need 2 more |
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Vote Count 1.5 grrr (2): Zymf, TheConquerer Zymf (2): grrr, lastwhisper31 Kit (2): yurkin, Logic TheConquerer (1): coromandel yurkin (1): Laby-Gaga Karote (1): AbuHumaid Coromandel (1): Lucian Not Voting: Karote, MrSkittles, Floofs, Kit If this isnt correct let me know ill fix it in the morning XD |
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Shinichi-Kun said: 3 votes so far for the 2 hour increase to phase change 4 I'm for longer phase as well. |
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| Guess Ill end the night by moving my vote to someone I feel ok with voting. Lynch: Coro |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Vote Count 1.5 grrr (2): Zymf, TheConquerer Zymf (2): grrr, lastwhisper31 Kit (2): yurkin, Logic TheConquerer (1): coromandel yurkin (1): Laby-Gaga Karote (1): AbuHumaid Coromandel (1): Lucian Not Voting: Karote, MrSkittles, Floofs, Kit If this isnt correct let me know ill fix it in the morning XD False, I exist. |
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| town to scum logic - town logic, shows a lot of effort for solving the game re - it's easy to follow her mindset and seems to have town thinking coro - don't understand the votes here i think her posts show reason although i dont remember her posting a lot abu - not so active, so he must be bored cause he got town --will vote below here-- wisp - here n there with him but like that he is active at least, could just need more time skittle - ??? conq - under my radar but i dont immediately think he's scummy karote - ???? lamby - confusing and abrasive as usual grr - tpr probably lying, but could be town fake claiming zymf - tpr, if lying then not town yurk - bad feeling floof - they went back to talking about the mechanics stuff that happened at the very beginning , not really alignments. appearance of doing something? lucianroy - ok, the more i read from him the more susp i feel about him. I think he nudged logic in the beginning as a way to test the waters, look like he's doing something, and to turn around on logic and end up buddying him and ever since then they are like a pair that everyone automatically town reads. It makes me think of other games i've played where scum buddy a town after pushing them and backing off :s Vote: LucianRoy @logic340 @RE1031 can you tell me why lucian is town, since this seems to be the consensus? also what do you think of floof? @lastwhisper31 @lucianroy why vote coro? @karote @floofs @mrskittles94 you guys going to vote at all? we have less than half a day left. you have even 1 scum read? @grrr @zymf you guys are just voting each other.. do you not have better scum reads than just your opposite claim? |
RE1031 said: where's you're vote? asking cause i dont rememberShinichi-Kun said: Vote Count 1.5 grrr (2): Zymf, TheConquerer Zymf (2): grrr, lastwhisper31 Kit (2): yurkin, Logic TheConquerer (1): coromandel yurkin (1): Laby-Gaga Karote (1): AbuHumaid Coromandel (1): Lucian Not Voting: Karote, MrSkittles, Floofs, Kit If this isnt correct let me know ill fix it in the morning XD False, I exist. |
logic340 said: I think he's playing rather relaxed, though I suppose he's always like that.. I can't recall if I've ever played with him besides when he was scum. I don't think he seems to be forcing a lynch though, more like exploring optionsHow do you feel about TheConquerer's playing so far this game? |
logic340 said: Yeah I'm honestly disappointed I've been playing less than I hoped I would but I have a lot going on. Thank you for the concern, I just have a lot going on. Posted some reads up there ^@Kit 4 pages into our last game together I was willing to put you in my town block here I feel like I have nothing. I hope everything is ok with you..please share some reads when you can? |
RE1031 said: Shinichi-Kun said: Vote Count 1.5 grrr (2): Zymf, TheConquerer Zymf (2): grrr, lastwhisper31 Kit (2): yurkin, Logic TheConquerer (1): coromandel yurkin (1): Laby-Gaga Karote (1): AbuHumaid Coromandel (1): Lucian Not Voting: Karote, MrSkittles, Floofs, Kit If this isnt correct let me know ill fix it in the morning XD False, I exist. Haha |
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| kit's #577 I can see reasons for voting coro, rather i disagree with placing her in town block. And while rereading the game lucianroy seems more and more townish to me. Yeah glad there will be increased time for phase change. |
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yurkin said: perhaps im being too relaxed on my read of her. Though I wouldn't say i put her in "town block" since i'm not super confident in my town readskit's #577 I can see reasons for voting coro, rather i disagree with placing her in town block. And while rereading the game lucianroy seems more and more townish to me. Yeah glad there will be increased phase change. |
logic340 said: nope.. though i haven't been much help myselfKit said: only if we use it properly. To this point by the way the VC looks I'd say we're not achieving that?yeah 3 days is plenty of time edit: Typos CFD is truly the MS way |
Kit said: town to scum logic - town logic, shows a lot of effort for solving the game re - it's easy to follow her mindset and seems to have town thinking coro - don't understand the votes here i think her posts show reason although i dont remember her posting a lot abu - not so active, so he must be bored cause he got town --will vote below here-- wisp - here n there with him but like that he is active at least, could just need more time skittle - ??? conq - under my radar but i dont immediately think he's scummy karote - ???? lamby - confusing and abrasive as usual grr - tpr probably lying, but could be town fake claiming zymf - tpr, if lying then not town yurk - bad feeling floof - they went back to talking about the mechanics stuff that happened at the very beginning , not really alignments. appearance of doing something? lucianroy - ok, the more i read from him the more susp i feel about him. I think he nudged logic in the beginning as a way to test the waters, look like he's doing something, and to turn around on logic and end up buddying him and ever since then they are like a pair that everyone automatically town reads. It makes me think of other games i've played where scum buddy a town after pushing them and backing off :s Vote: LucianRoy @logic340 @RE1031 can you tell me why lucian is town, since this seems to be the consensus? also what do you think of floof? @lastwhisper31 @lucianroy why vote coro? @karote @floofs @mrskittles94 you guys going to vote at all? we have less than half a day left. you have even 1 scum read? @grrr @zymf you guys are just voting each other.. do you not have better scum reads than just your opposite claim? Why thank you, would also vote below bin.... someone needs to get necked :'< Vote: Kit |
lastwhisper31 said: Guess Ill end the night by moving my vote to someone I feel ok with voting. Lynch: Coro Reason? |
yurkin said: Shinichi-Kun said: 3 votes so far for the 2 hour increase to phase change 4 I'm for longer phase as well. Me too. @Shinichi-Kun I'll be back in about an hour or two. |
LucianRoy said: RE1031 said: It's mostly because I recently came out of a scum!yurkin game, and I thought I saw some of the same signs (tone specifically) in this game. It's not enough to make me want to lynch yurkin right now, but I liked that someone was pressuring her. I voted for Conq for similar reasons I believe, so nothing strange there. I liked her explanation. Her earlier post that said she agreed with me about you being scummy was a little strange, but she did have reasoning behind that as well as why she changed her mind. I see. I ask because I looked back at her vote on conqueror. coromandel said: And if grrr fake-claimed, would you still suspect Zymf? Or is it just because these two are both claiming to be TPR? "No thats what I mean, it doesn't really seem to make sense that grr would be lying since he's only drawn attention to himself and doesn't benefit." But the same could be said about Zymf - why would mafia-Zymf claim to be TPR at the beginning of D1 when no one suspects him and the real TPR could counter-claim anytime? Both have drawn attention to themselves by claiming. Vote change: theConquerer I'm having trouble understanding her thought process on why she read Conqueror scum for this. Incorrect logic in and of itself isn't scummy, it's the intent behind it/ the scum motivation that makes it scummy. Care to explain further @Coromandel? I know that, which is why I asked him these questions above the quote. Bad logic doesn't necessarily mean someone's scum, but scum do often use weak reasoning to justify their vote. Because they don't actually analyze, they're trying to come up with a reason to vote someone. |
LucianRoy said: RE1031 said: Definitely scummier than a lot of the other players. The only thing suggesting otherwise is his flavor claim. It did turn out to be a mistake, but I'm not sure scum would automatically admit to that if they were already receiving heat. Yeah, now that you bring that up, that actually makes a lot of sense. If Conq was scum, what would he have to gain by disputing my flavor? It really would just turn into a my word vs his word situation, and I don't feel like scum would want to put that kind of attention on themselves in any way shape or form. That's like, 100% townie conviction. Ok, I see you. Unvote hm.. I thought that maybe he's the GF, or he could have a Disguiser-like ability. |
| @Shinichi-kun and everyone - I am in summerhouse with my family untill late saturday and will therefore not be very active until I'm back home. I will try to make a reads list when I do come back, but for today, I am fine lynching lastwhisper or TheConqueror (for their sheep votes on me), for yurkin (slightly suspicious posts noticed by me and coromandel) or for grrr (for counterclaiming me). I hope you won't end up lynching me, but if you do have burning questions, then tag me and I might respond. |
| I'm all for 2 hour extension! Otherwise I just know I won't be able to read over everything one last time. |
| I've been here way too long... |
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| I dont mind draw votes. My ability has condition for draw votes. If we have draw votes (and zymf is one of the draw ones, I kill him tonight. |
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Kit said: town to scum logic - town logic, shows a lot of effort for solving the game re - it's easy to follow her mindset and seems to have town thinking coro - don't understand the votes here i think her posts show reason although i dont remember her posting a lot abu - not so active, so he must be bored cause he got town --will vote below here-- wisp - here n there with him but like that he is active at least, could just need more time skittle - ??? conq - under my radar but i dont immediately think he's scummy karote - ???? lamby - confusing and abrasive as usual grr - tpr probably lying, but could be town fake claiming zymf - tpr, if lying then not town yurk - bad feeling floof - they went back to talking about the mechanics stuff that happened at the very beginning , not really alignments. appearance of doing something? lucianroy - ok, the more i read from him the more susp i feel about him. I think he nudged logic in the beginning as a way to test the waters, look like he's doing something, and to turn around on logic and end up buddying him and ever since then they are like a pair that everyone automatically town reads. It makes me think of other games i've played where scum buddy a town after pushing them and backing off :s Vote: LucianRoy @logic340 @RE1031 can you tell me why lucian is town, since this seems to be the consensus? also what do you think of floof? @lastwhisper31 @lucianroy why vote coro? @karote @floofs @mrskittles94 you guys going to vote at all? we have less than half a day left. you have even 1 scum read? @grrr @zymf you guys are just voting each other.. do you not have better scum reads than just your opposite claim? Point to any specific post from me in which you believe it's prevalent that I'm attempting to pocket Logic. Please also explain the scum motive behind said post. I voted Coro because I didn't like their vote on Conq when I looked back. I reasoned that Conq was more likely to be town than scum by counter-claiming my flavor as opposed to keeping quiet about it. Kit said: logic340 said: I think he's playing rather relaxed, though I suppose he's always like that.. I can't recall if I've ever played with him besides when he was scum. I don't think he seems to be forcing a lynch though, more like exploring optionsHow do you feel about TheConquerer's playing so far this game? Again, you say a lot of nothing here. I feel as if this is a reocurring theme in the game because I have definitely brought it up before. It rubs me the wrong way. Your post just comes off as non-committal when you just pointed out conqueror being a townread of yours. Why not say, "I read him as a TL for ____ reason" instead of making overarching statements like these? @Logic, thoughts on the above posts by Kit. --- coromandel said: LucianRoy said: I see. I ask because I looked back at her vote on conqueror. I'm having trouble understanding her thought process on why she read Conqueror scum for this. Incorrect logic in and of itself isn't scummy, it's the intent behind it/ the scum motivation that makes it scummy. Care to explain further @Coromandel? I know that, which is why I asked him these questions above the quote. Bad logic doesn't necessarily mean someone's scum, but scum do often use weak reasoning to justify their vote. Because they don't actually analyze, they're trying to come up with a reason to vote someone. I realize this, but why do you think scum!conqueror would be attempting to do that in this situation? |
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Karote said: I catched up. Who's scum? |
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coromandel said: TheConquerer said: No thats what I mean, it doesn't really seem to make sense that grr would be lying since he's only drawn attention to himself and doesn't benefit. Thats also why zymf over grrr, I don't necessarily see zymf as having a poor explanation of his role, its quite sound but its easy for mafia to list a possible tpr using the wiki. So for me between the two I see grrr as the more truthful. The way I see it, as lovers he just needs to survive till the game ends, helping town is the fastest way to that goal especially if he thinks he's spotted mafia. And if grrr fake-claimed, would you still suspect Zymf? Or is it just because these two are both claiming to be TPR? "No thats what I mean, it doesn't really seem to make sense that grr would be lying since he's only drawn attention to himself and doesn't benefit." But the same could be said about Zymf - why would mafia-Zymf claim to be TPR at the beginning of D1 when no one suspects him and the real TPR could counter-claim anytime? Both have drawn attention to themselves by claiming. Vote change: theConquerer @theConquerer You didn't reply to this. Your opinion has changed from suspecting Zymf to grrr, though. But how did you come to the conclusion that grrr is bad, despite think this: "No thats what I mean, it doesn't really seem to make sense that grr would be lying since he's only drawn attention to himself and doesn't benefit." Isn't this still valid? TheConquerer said: LucianRoy said: Unfortunately, you're justifying your vote with a hypothetical: "Maybe he has to get zymf lynched in this case" and it doesn't hold water. Could you possibly explain how you came to this conclusion more in-depth? Well my reasoning follows by taking what I know and then trying to construct different scenarios based on that, I pick the one I seem the most likely and form the argument around that. In this case I knew zymf and grrr have both claimed tpr zymf says he is the anti lyncher grrr says he is the lover neither of these can coexist (okay they could but like I'm just gonna say they cant) so one is lying Since grr called out zymf first, in my eyes a grr who was lying would have no reason to do that Hence my vote on zymf since that left him as the liar However then I realized that I forgot a crucial piece of info the host said that mafia had to eliminate town AND evil tpr so there's gotta be an evil tpr since lovers just need to protect each other thats not really evil HENCE grrr must be the one lying thats why I voted grrr just now QED But the question is: why would he say all of those things and make us suspect him if he's bad? No one called him out, he just started claiming all of these things without proving them, and they sounded bad from the start! Does that sound like something that scum would do? Aren't they usually trying to disguise that they're bad? I just can't comprehend how you could possibly think he's scum. You didn't actually think through what grrr's motivation could be for claiming, your read is too shallow to come from a townie's mind imo. To me, it looks like you're focusing on these two (Zymf, grrr) because it's convenient, an easy lynch. TheConquerer said: LucianRoy said: Wait, slow down. I feel like there's a jump in your logic here. Both of them claimed "good" tpr by your standards. But you're confident one of them is evil. At first, you thought it was Zymf. Now you believe it's Grr. Both are voting eachother, but you're making the case that Grr is actually group-scum, (mafia) who wants to eliminate the evil tpr, correct? How are you confident Grr is really group-scum even if he is lying, and if Zymf is one of the real tpr, who's to say the other tpr is still among those who have not claimed? What other scenarios have you considered for Grr/Zymf? Well I just see it that grr has to be lying from the logic I employed. So either they're evil tpr and want zymf lynched or they're mafia and want tpr lynched. I can't see any other logical scenario, if grr was town they've gained nothing by lying, if zymf is town neither has he. If zymf is mafia maybe he's tried to protect himself by claiming but he's just left himself open to counterclaim which has just happened. So I'm left with grr being either the evil tpr and zymf being the good, or grrr being mafia and zymf being the good tpr. Atm I haven't focused much on other players. This has sort of been my only lead. You forgot: If grrr was scum he's gained nothing by lying . . . Or what is it that he's gained in your opinion? |
coromandel said: yurkin said: coro's #365 "if pressure is not you thing how do you look for the mafia? What's your playstyle like? Because i believe this is the first time we've played together." Or more like you have some set expectations of what is "red flag" and what not, i dislike that, for me they are no definite universal tells. i d say these questions of yours show how diffrent we are. Like lucianroy described your questioning on me as a push, maybe i just dislike using the words itself - push and pressure; thats it a difference in the wording probably. I' can't see asking someone outright about their playstyle either, even if i have not played previously with them, id enjoy finding out by myself how each player playstyle looks like. If youre more interested in sheer meta data you can ask logic, he had played many games with me. ;3 Or do you really want me to give you specific explanation of whats my playstyle like, coro? I'm not going to lynch someone because I disagree with their approach, it's more like I want to figure out *why* you're doing things the way you do to find out what your intentions are. But it seems you don't want to reveal anything about yourself..? Nah, I wanted to hear how you'd describe yourself. I don't need a detailed explanation, and I'm not interested in tells either. You're right that I'm someone who likes to pressure other players with my vote for example, that's just one way of trying to find out who's scum and who's not. Basically, I'd like to know how you're approaching a mafia game when you're town, what your mindset is when you're looking at all the players to figure out who's bad. And like I said, I'm not asking you to put all your cards on the table, I'd just like to take a glimpse into your mind. :3 ^ please reply to this post, @yurkin |
Kit said: Well it doesn't have to be. We can elicit change but it will take a combined effort, we just have to work hard at it. logic340 said: nope.. though i haven't been much help myselfonly if we use it properly. To this point by the way the VC looks I'd say we're not achieving that? edit: Typos CFD is truly the MS way Kit said: @logic340 @RE1031 can you tell me why lucian is town, since this seems to be the consensus? also what do you think of floof? @lastwhisper31 @lucianroy why vote coro? To borrow from you "town lucian, shows a lot of effort for solving the game" This makes me question where the motivation in the read comes from. I definitely don't get the feeling he is trying to look busy. His push on me made me think scum but after stepping back I see it more like coro does. That and it feels so much like his town game from BSD mafia where he did pretty much the same thing with Ruu as he did with me here. He pushed his ideas and asks people to join him in an effort to creat pressure. He isn't concerned with how he looks to other just with trying to figure out alignments and motives which points to trying to solve the game if you ask me. Floofs scum game was obvious scum to me. So maybe they are just tyring to lay low. Meta wise this feels more like the town game from Rainbow Six than anything else I have seen from them. Wish they gave me more to go on. Their limited interactions makes it hard to feel comfortable with them but doesn't really give me a valid reason to vote there either. Not that your question implies this but why not vote coro? I haven't been able to get a solid town vibe form her. Honestly feel like this is similar to Sailor Moon mafia but without a town game to compare it against I have to think a little harder about it. What do you think of Laby and his vote on you? He's in neutral but he's gained some town equity. I was hoping for one last info dump to help me with this read but the one post leaves a bit to be desired though I am not mad at the vote. |
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Karote said: I was really hoping that you would share your thoughts and maybe place a vote once you caught up rather than just saying "I catched up" we have about 3 hours until phase change and you have no posts that would count towards the actual post requirement. I catched up. • Players will be expected to post 5 times each Day Phase. Players who fail to meet this requirement will be prodded during night phase, and failure to respond will result in a modkill or replacement the following day. @Karote You are already hard to read this isn't making it any easier. Is there anyone worth voting? What are your thoughts on Abu still voting you with his RVS this late in the stage? Thoughts on Zymf and whether we should lynch or let him live another day? Do you see Lucian as town or scum? |
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