DateYutaka said: why would be a good idea Because its getting annoying that i see alot of people calling kids anime not kids anime and aime tthat quite clearly airs at Child friendly time slots as not Kids anime What defines an anime as a 'kids' or 'childrens' show in the context you've complained about it being used 'wrong' in is not the actual rating the television broadcaster or home distribution people give it. Yes, a show literally "for all ages" can be a kids show - however this is not what was being discussed in ANY OF THOSE THREADS. It's the feeling and ideas behind it, the writing, the development, and so on, which is subjective. When someone says "recommend me some childrens anime" they do not mean the broadcasting rules definition of what that means, they just mean shows that would generally be liked by kids. Whether a show is rated "R" or 13+ or whatever the fuck else or G/All-ages doesn't matter, it can be a kids show in all those situations. Television ratings are not based on the style of the series - they are based on hilariously stupid broadcasting rules - however when someone asks for 'kids shows' they are not speaking of "shows that would be legally broadcast as an all ages series". For example, in the US, the moment something has a cigarette in it at all, even if it's in the background or just in passing, the rating goes up. If anyone drinks a sip of alcohol, the rating goes up. If there's a single vulgar term, reference to sex, or a car crash - the rating goes up. Japan has the same overall stupid shit that decides the ratings of shows because of broadcast and home entertainment rules on what is allowed. If Pokemon had a single shot of a character flipping someone off the show would suddenly become something higher than a kids rating. When someone says "recommend me some childrens anime" they do not mean the broadcasting rules definition of what that means, they just mean shows that would generally be liked by kids. Aside that - the database still lists DEMOGRAPHICS as a GENRE, which if they can't fix that there's no way they are going to go around changing the entire system for this. And again: When someone says "recommend me some childrens anime" they do not mean the broadcasting rules definition of what that means, they just mean shows that would generally be liked by kids. |
TallonKarrde23Apr 15, 2013 2:51 AM
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DateYutaka said: i wab to use the Home vdieo ratings system so the ratins are easir to follow and its how i most commno shw ratings of anime and in the us that would be the same iw waht the Film bord woild give it i lknow broadcasting rules rules are stupid thaat why i want Film bord ratings yes tv ratitns are the same but thay are very different criteria to movie board the movie bord in Japan runs on the same style of Ratings criteria CERO runs on for video games TV casting and DVD Ratings rules are very diffrent every were i think You missed the most important part: When someone says "recommend me some childrens anime" they do not mean the broadcasting (okay, OR the film board) rules definition of what that means, they just mean shows that would generally be liked by kids. You admitted in the first post when you made this thread because you're annoyed that people are claiming kids shows aren't kid shows, or claiming non-kid shows are kid shows. Changing the rating on pages would literally not mean a single shit to anybody in that context because when someone says "recommend me a kids show" or something remotely similar to that they are just referring to shows KIDS WOULD ENJOY - not shows with a rating of being okay for children ( NO MATTER WHO RATED IT). Nobody in any context ever on the entirety of the history of the MAL forums has asked for kids shows and meant THE RATING - even in the situations where they are asking to show a kid something they STILL don't mean the rating and just a show that would generally be okay for a kid to watch (and yes, kids can watch things that aren't sold specifically for fucking 8 year olds only) and that they might enjoy. NOBODY FOLLOWS THESE RATINGS AT ALL, IT'S A FORMALITY SO COMPANIES DON'T GET SUED. So two things to remind you of; 1. YOU stated very clearly that the entire reason you're making this suggestion is because you're upset that people keep "misusing" the phrases "childrens show" and "kids show" while referring to things that are not rated as all ages or for very young ages (children). 2. That is irrelevant because, whatever fucking langauge is your native tongue, there is context in ALL languages and there are social uses of terms, phrases, and words in ALL languages. In English, and in this context, a kids show or children's show simply means a series that would appeal to a younger audience - which makes your entire reason for creating this thread fucking moot. |
TallonKarrde23Apr 15, 2013 3:04 AM
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DateYutaka said: TallonKarrde23 said: DateYutaka said: i wab to use the Home vdieo ratings system so the ratins are easir to follow and its how i most commno shw ratings of anime and in the us that would be the same iw waht the Film bord woild give it i lknow broadcasting rules rules are stupid thaat why i want Film bord ratings yes tv ratitns are the same but thay are very different criteria to movie board the movie bord in Japan runs on the same style of Ratings criteria CERO runs on for video games TV casting and DVD Ratings rules are very diffrent every were i think You missed the most important part: When someone says "recommend me some childrens anime" they do not mean the broadcasting (okay, OR the film board) rules definition of what that means, they just mean shows that would generally be liked by kids. You admitted in the first post when you made this thread you're annoyed that people are claiming kids shows aren't kid shows, or claiming non-kid shows are kid shows. So this is the most important part of what I replied with. yes but how the US handles some kids anime make the us users of this site make the idea that some kids anime is not kids anime cause the Ratings that the US system this site uses gave them yes there is one big dagger in the soul of me that i brong up a lot that is 100% a kids anime that i stll watch to this day and have done since it began but the US made an adult anime o kids cannot watch it I'm so done with this fucking thread before I end up posting shit that gets me banned, and you always manage to push me close to saying some things really easily. I tried giving you real responses but you're doing your usual pretend terrible English and ignoring everything I say bullshit act. This suggestion is not only worthless but it's just incredibly stupid (it, not him, so don't go yelling at me mods), and there is nobody who gives a single shit about the ratings. This would be a hilarious waste of time to implement and serve no purpose to anybody. Even the few people who do care about ratings? Guess what: THIS IS AN AMERICAN RUN WEBSITE - so it will continue having the US ratings, because where YOU are from is IRRELEVANT. That's the same reason you have to write that godawful English of yours in every post and why it's against the rules not to. Changing the system to Japanese would be making the ratings 100% useless to 98% of the userbase of the website. There are a handful of Japanese users, nothing on the site should be catered to them when it would alienate everyone else, given they are one of the smallest minorities on the entire site. And again, your entire point for changing it is your own WHINY BULLSHIT about someone using a term in a way YOU DONT LIKE. That is not a valid reason to fuck with the database. |
TallonKarrde23Apr 15, 2013 3:17 AM
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| I was reading this little exchange and I was like "Woah what's with this guy who complains about proper term usage but can't form a coherent sente-- Oh wait, it's DateYutaka. Nevermind." Anyway, I agree withTallon. I'm sure Japan has their own anime database site that using the Japanese rating system. MAL is US based. Our rules are different here. |
| While I disagree with (or consider irrelevant) every single point in the initial post, I find myself in agreement with this as a whole. The point that most anime don't get US releases is a very valid one - the fact that the majority of anime are given ratings on guesswork basically makes the entire "rating" system meaningless (and thus useless) as there is no standards which are consistently applied. Using the Japanese ratings would enable the site's ratings to be far more consistent between anime than they are at present. And, at the end of the day, is not consistency the most important thing for something like that? This is, of course, assuming that ratings are consistently applied in Japan to every series - I know nothing about how the Japanese rating system works. |
kuuderes_shadowApr 16, 2013 11:46 AM
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
Amberleh said: Oh wait, it's DateYutaka. Nevermind. My opinion of this thread. Stop trying to rework a system that functions perfectly fine. |
| I agree with everyone who thinks it's pointless does the US rating system make sense to me 100%, no I think it's ridiculous to have something be rated R just because of a little violence and profanity, no nudity, just over use of "curse words" and violence on the other hand...seriously how many people actually even pay attention to the rating system on this site or even give a damn about it |
KaimeiApr 17, 2013 4:25 PM
| "I reject your reality and substitute my own" |
| I don't think the rating actually effects anyone, so it really doesn't matter. And this isn't a Japanese sight, so why should they set the ratings to Japanese? That sounds like nothing more than someone getting butthurt over everyone not sharing the same obsession they do with Japan. |
OverlordMastemaApr 17, 2013 3:16 PM
KaceSpace said: you never stated why it was ridiculous, we need trees to breath yet people take no heed, they always smoke weed. it's your choice to make, which is worse, using paper to smoke weed or using paper to draw little girl's panties |
DateYutaka said: Firestar0513 said: I don't think the rating actually effects anyone, so it really doesn't matter. And this isn't a Japanese sight, so why should they set the ratings to Japanese? That sounds like nothing more than someone getting butthurt over everyone not sharing the same obsession they do with Japan. UM Im Japanese and i Care about how anime is viewed world wide ...So the entire site should change its rating system because you aren't from the same place as them? That seems stupidly ignorant. Also, your signature makes it way too hard to take you seriously. Why would you rate a show on how much merchandise it has sold? Why would you rate it on other people's ratings? Why would you rate it on its impact on other people? Why would you rate it on what the people who produced it have done to impact the industry...I should stop here. I could go on about this for hours. Basically, none of those should effect your opinion or rating on it. Such stupidity in your signature makes everything you say seem about 10 times less intelligent. |
KaceSpace said: you never stated why it was ridiculous, we need trees to breath yet people take no heed, they always smoke weed. it's your choice to make, which is worse, using paper to smoke weed or using paper to draw little girl's panties |
DateYutaka said: Firestar0513 said: DateYutaka said: Firestar0513 said: I don't think the rating actually effects anyone, so it really doesn't matter. And this isn't a Japanese sight, so why should they set the ratings to Japanese? That sounds like nothing more than someone getting butthurt over everyone not sharing the same obsession they do with Japan. UM Im Japanese and i Care about how anime is viewed world wide ...So the entire site should change its rating system because you aren't from the same place as them? That seems stupidly ignorant. Also, your signature makes it way too hard to take you seriously. Why would you rate a show on how much merchandise it has sold? Why would you rate it on other people's ratings? Why would you rate it on its impact on other people? Why would you rate it on what the people who produced it have done to impact the industry...I should stop here. I could go on about this for hours. Basically, none of those should effect your opinion or rating on it. Such stupidity in your signature makes everything you say seem about 10 times less intelligent. i do that cuase i care about the industry if it did not be i would be out of a Job so would the 80 plus people who work with me For the sake of staying on topic I won't take it any farther than this but that seems ridiculous. Ratings should be based on how it effects you, not everyone else. If it is indeed your job to rate them, some of those make a bit more sense, but there is no logic behind rating a show off the companies previous works, because in no way does that change the quality of their newer ones. ...Then again there is no way you could have a job like...cuase u cnt even Form a sipmle Sentence... |
KaceSpace said: you never stated why it was ridiculous, we need trees to breath yet people take no heed, they always smoke weed. it's your choice to make, which is worse, using paper to smoke weed or using paper to draw little girl's panties |
DateYutaka said: Firestar0513 said: DateYutaka said: Firestar0513 said: DateYutaka said: Firestar0513 said: I don't think the rating actually effects anyone, so it really doesn't matter. And this isn't a Japanese sight, so why should they set the ratings to Japanese? That sounds like nothing more than someone getting butthurt over everyone not sharing the same obsession they do with Japan. UM Im Japanese and i Care about how anime is viewed world wide ...So the entire site should change its rating system because you aren't from the same place as them? That seems stupidly ignorant. Also, your signature makes it way too hard to take you seriously. Why would you rate a show on how much merchandise it has sold? Why would you rate it on other people's ratings? Why would you rate it on its impact on other people? Why would you rate it on what the people who produced it have done to impact the industry...I should stop here. I could go on about this for hours. Basically, none of those should effect your opinion or rating on it. Such stupidity in your signature makes everything you say seem about 10 times less intelligent. i do that cuase i care about the industry if it did not be i would be out of a Job so would the 80 plus people who work with me For the sake of staying on topic I won't take it any farther than this but that seems ridiculous. Ratings should be based on how it effects you, not everyone else. If it is indeed your job to rate them, some of those make a bit more sense, but there is no logic behind rating a show off the companies previous works, because in no way does that change the quality of their newer ones. ...Then again there is no way you could have a job like...cuase u cnt even Form a sipmle Sentence... i work at animage thank you You're quite welcome. I'm not sure what exactly you do there(It obviously doesn't involve any sort of writing or spelling), nor do I know anything about the company, but your suggestion is like me storming into their offices and demanding they start printing all their magazines in English(assuming they are all in Japanese) because I am trying to read something not focused on my country and I think my language is superior to yours. |
KaceSpace said: you never stated why it was ridiculous, we need trees to breath yet people take no heed, they always smoke weed. it's your choice to make, which is worse, using paper to smoke weed or using paper to draw little girl's panties |
DateYutaka said: Firestar0513 said: DateYutaka said: Firestar0513 said: DateYutaka said: Firestar0513 said: DateYutaka said: Firestar0513 said: I don't think the rating actually effects anyone, so it really doesn't matter. And this isn't a Japanese sight, so why should they set the ratings to Japanese? That sounds like nothing more than someone getting butthurt over everyone not sharing the same obsession they do with Japan. UM Im Japanese and i Care about how anime is viewed world wide ...So the entire site should change its rating system because you aren't from the same place as them? That seems stupidly ignorant. Also, your signature makes it way too hard to take you seriously. Why would you rate a show on how much merchandise it has sold? Why would you rate it on other people's ratings? Why would you rate it on its impact on other people? Why would you rate it on what the people who produced it have done to impact the industry...I should stop here. I could go on about this for hours. Basically, none of those should effect your opinion or rating on it. Such stupidity in your signature makes everything you say seem about 10 times less intelligent. i do that cuase i care about the industry if it did not be i would be out of a Job so would the 80 plus people who work with me For the sake of staying on topic I won't take it any farther than this but that seems ridiculous. Ratings should be based on how it effects you, not everyone else. If it is indeed your job to rate them, some of those make a bit more sense, but there is no logic behind rating a show off the companies previous works, because in no way does that change the quality of their newer ones. ...Then again there is no way you could have a job like...cuase u cnt even Form a sipmle Sentence... i work at animage thank you You're quite welcome. I'm not sure what exactly you do there(It obviously doesn't involve any sort of writing or spelling), nor do I know anything about the company, but your suggestion is like me storming into their offices and demanding they start printing all their magazines in English(assuming they are all in Japanese) because I am trying to read something not focused on my country and I think my language is superior to yours. JR Editor is my roll and if my english s not very good do not be to harsh I may have been somewhat harsh however you were only making yourself look ignorant. I'm going to stop before this turns into the comment section of every YouTube video ever, but honestly, it just seems like a bad idea in general. |
KaceSpace said: you never stated why it was ridiculous, we need trees to breath yet people take no heed, they always smoke weed. it's your choice to make, which is worse, using paper to smoke weed or using paper to draw little girl's panties |
| I honestly don't care, have it either way is fine by me. I actually agree that using the japanese rating system would make sense, but it's not like it's really any different. Everyone else have voiced their dislike of the idea anyway though so there's no chance of it happening. |
| Why not having the Japanese rating AND the English rating when the anime/manga is licensed in US? Not that I really mind... but I often ask myself WHY did this anime have this rating? O_o (but but but... Card Captor Sakura shouldn't be NC17?? they is at least one gay? if I'm not mistaken, a American guy told me that "Water Boys" movie get the NC17 rating because one guy TELL to an other that he loved him and hug (only hug!!!!!!) him...) |
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amayih said: Why not having the Japanese rating AND the English rating when the anime/manga is licensed in US? Not that I really mind... but I often ask myself WHY did this anime have this rating? O_o (but but but... Card Captor Sakura shouldn't be NC17?? they is at least one gay? if I'm not mistaken, a American guy told me that "Water Boys" movie get the NC17 rating because one guy TELL to an other that he loved him and hug (only hug!!!!!!) him...) This. You should be able to select which rating you want to use, it's not like it has any negative effects. |
| On top of this, I think the age rating should have a vote, and the MAL age rating would be the average of all the votes. It wouldn't even have to be all numbers from one age to another... it could be a general 7, 10, 13, 16, 18... and it would still average out. Also, it's odd when an anime gets 17+ for "mild nudity" when sometimes, the nudity is so tame, a 15+ or even 13+ would be okay. Even anime with harsher sexual content (such as Rin) gets "mild nudity". It would also be better to have descriptors for each anime; not just one. Such as... Gunbuster: 15+ Violence, Nudity Rin: 18+ Extreme Bloody Violence, Nudity, Strong Sexual Content Whereas those two anime currently have the same rating. Etc. Or not even that specific... maybe I have too much of an interest in these things ;) |
| For a different type of consistency this would make sense. A lot of the users on MAL aren't American so using the American system is just as foreign as the Japanese system to a large portion of the userbase. Anime that haven't been licensed are given arbitrary age ratings that may as well be assigned by an auto-randomizer in terms of how useful they are. Anime titles are written in romaji with some exceptions and air dates are based on JST so it would make sense that this would be the same way. Wikipedia lists Japan as a country without TV content ratings, so I'm not completely sure what Date is talking about. If that actually is the system that Japan uses then by all means that would be the most logical system to use. Using air times isn't a perfect system, but it could still be put into consideration (obviously something aired in the day is meant for children). On MAL there are shounen/shoujo (8-18) anime rated R and kodomomuke (4-12) anime rated PG-13, which doesn't make much sense. |
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| How is this rating even decided? I mean if the anime is realeased in the US it is obviously - you could just take the official western rating. But what about anime that are released only in Japan? Do people then look how it was rated in Japan and then chose the western/US rating that would be most similar to that? Or to they just completely use only their own opinion about this and decide it based on that? (That obviously would be wrong! Because anyone could just decide whatever he wanted and rate some that he did not like as children-anime or the other way round.) Edit: But tbh: I don't really give a f*ck about ratings since I am from Europe and old enough to watch all the stuff I want. And even lots of children here just download stuff for which they aren't old enough yet. The only that really might be important is if it is hentai or not (SFW or NSFW if you migt try watching it at certain places and want to avoid NSFW). And maybe violence ... lots of blood or gore. A bit ecchi or panties obviously are - at least from an European point of view - not a problem. Such stuff could even berunning on normal tv without restrictions here. (I know for the US it is vice versa they are more open towards violence/gore and more conservative regarding nudity where even ecchi might be a problem.) Such ratings are probably more important for websites that are selling anime cause they are required by law to check the age of the buyer. If it is about database and correct info maybe really the best way would be to only use official stuff (only if it is officially rated by some western rating institution add it to the database - otherwise maybe some officially japanese rating as well but not stuff users here decide which is not official.) |
LuthandoriusMay 24, 2016 2:50 AM
| Wasn't it based on Anime Mod/Dev team discretion? |
| Haters always gonna hate. |
Luthandorius said: How is this rating even decided? I mean if the anime is realeased in the US it is obviously - you could just take the official western rating. Being from Germany, you should know the US age-ratings are not "official western ratings". Nevertheless, also as a German I have learnt to have a rough idea what the US-based age-ratings mean. And I think those interested can be demanded to educate themselves about it, if they really care. To know how to take US-based age-recommendations/ratings is part of this often demanded "media literacy" we all should develop. ---------------- And lacking any "better alternative" I do find those US-based ratings sometimes useful - even though with anime it is somewhat messy. I usually do not even know what version was rated - the Japan-censored TV-version, the uncensored TV-version, or the blueray version (which btw. over here is sometimes or often the one on TV :D) |
| *darn, using my right hand is off-limits for a while. Typing with my left hand only is ... eww.* |
| Honestly i think both ratings should be present. Its a database site, and many shows do not have any sort of western release. It doesn't make sense to try to convert things over because alot of ratings don't accurately reflect the demographic the show was initially targeted towards. Also, nice Necro lol. |
| Bumping this because I still think it's important, and I think the ratings are still inconsistent/not well-implemented. Just replacing it with numbers could be good. 7+, 10+, 13+, 16+, 18+, or something of the sort. |
| I would list all ratings a show received from various countries. Different countries have different standards, so the ratings will be different. Also, editing and dubbing can change a show to point where what is seen and heard can affect the ratings. One example is Yu-Gi-Oh Duel Monsters. A straight translation would probably net it a PG-13, but 4Kids made enough changes to drop it to a Y7 rating and was able to air on Saturday Mornings. |
| I believe listing all ratings would be a good idea. The problem with OP's is that a lot of these shows don't have ratings, as Japanese doesn't have a TV rating system. Only movies are rated using the G, PG-12, R-15 system in theaters. On very rare occasions such as Shuffle!, an "R-15" or "R-18" disclaimer will appear on television, but the majority of anime have never received a Japanese rating. |
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