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Sep 4, 2016 10:55 AM
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When I ask this, I don't mean opening or endings songs. I'm talking about when a musical number or song appears in the middle of the actual show. For example, in Toradora two of the girls start singing at the end, but they start singing in Japanese out of nowhere. A recent example would be Handa-kun where Miyo starts singing about an eraser and she just goes straight from speaking in English to Japanese. Anyone know why they do this?
Sep 4, 2016 11:02 AM
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Because:
1-Translating music to another language is really hard.
2-When you translate the music to another language it lost it's meaning most of the time.
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There are definitely a few dubbed inserts and opening/ending sequences out there, but you're right in that they are few.

dubbing is a lot of work, and my guess is making a decent dubbed song may not be worth the effort. I mean, english words, or other languages for the matter are really hard to fit into the flow of japanese songs and their original lyrics.

Let's also not forget that some of the dubbed over songs are... lackluster in comparison to the originals.
Sep 4, 2016 11:09 AM
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They used to do it more often but the results were often not great. As mentioned above, the translation is often problematic and not all VA's can actually sing. For some particularly horrible examples see here: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/buried-treasure/2007-12-27
Sep 4, 2016 11:16 AM
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Beck Mongolian Chop Squad doesn't exactly dub the songs but they re-recorded them with the English voice actors. And yes, they are way better in the re-recordings because it's actually native English speakers singing.

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Sep 4, 2016 11:17 AM
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PaperCutAssassin said:
When I ask this, I don't mean opening or endings songs. I'm talking about when a musical number or song appears in the middle of the actual show. For example, in Toradora two of the girls start singing at the end, but they start singing in Japanese out of nowhere. A recent example would be Handa-kun where Miyo starts singing about an eraser and she just goes straight from speaking in English to Japanese. Anyone know why they do this?


I'm glad they don't do it because there's a 99% chance it wouldn't sound right.
English dubs are iffy as is. Throw in singing and you've got a whole other ball game.
One dub that did it really good however is Space Dandy.



Finding voice actors who have a distinguished sound is hard enough. Finding VAs with a distinct sound AND singing capabilities is probably very difficult I can imagine.
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Sep 4, 2016 11:21 AM
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I know Dragon Ball has done it and I'm sure several other shows have had this happen
Sep 4, 2016 11:24 AM
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False. Many old anime have their songs dubbed.
Sep 4, 2016 11:43 AM
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Because it's harder to find people who can both voice act AND have a talent for singing. With the exception of the English dubbed songs in BECK: Mongolian Chop Squad which are amazing, when you try to make a VA sing the results are....not pretty most of the time. That and differences in languages often make the song sound awkward and unnatural in another language.

I know music rights (opening, ending, and insert songs) are also expensive and usually must be licensed separately from the anime also, by dealing with the record company. I wonder if they have to pay more if they want to create a cover of the song(s) in another language? If so, that might also be a factor.
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Because it would sound even more retarded than the actual dub...
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Because the Ö-tier voice actors FUCKERYmation & c:o hire can't sing 4 shit
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Haruhi did it, it didn't work out very well despite the dub being amazing.
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I'm not a dub watcher, but I believe there's also the question of song rights. Sometimes the dubbing companies can't get the rights to change a certain song.

(I heard a panel in which the dub producers of Sailormoon Crystal talked about how pleased they were to have been able to get the rights to do so.)
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The Japanese language is structured in a very different way and naturally it's quite difficult to translate a song from Japanese to English without losing most of the meaning or sounding super cringy. It may actually be easier to just record a new song, but that's a bit difficult too so it's best just to leave it alone. In Haruhi they did translate the one insert song. In K-On! there was a bit of a disconnect since the concerts are in Japanese but when the girls sing their own songs casually they use the English lyrics. Love Live! would be a bit odd with all English songs and it would be also more expensive to have to rewrite all of the songs to work in English and record them with English singers since a lot of voice actors can't sing.
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Rei said:
They can't even dub dialogue properly, what do you expect from them dubbing a song?


Well, that is not to say that good English versions of Japanese songs aren't possible. EX this unofficial one:


KruszerSep 4, 2016 12:07 PM
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Kruszer said:
Rei said:
They can't even dub dialogue properly, what do you expect from them dubbing a song?


Well, that is not to say that good English versions of Japanese songs aren't possible. EX this unofficial one:

The fuck? Link the video properly man.
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I already did, but you ninjaed the edit.
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For one of several reasons:

1) Dubbing songs may take more time money, and talent than is available for a given project. Though many dub VAs do have experience with theater and musicals, and can sing reasonably well if given the chance.

2) Technical barriers -- if insert songs are on the "music and effects" audio track instead of the vocal track, they can't be dubbed.

3) Licensing issues -- Japanese music labels may want their songs exposed to a wider audience, especially with singing-based shows like Love Live. Funimation's Guilty Crown discs even have a disclaimer saying that the insert songs were left undubbed at the request of the licensor.

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Because it is really bad most of the time.
Now that Dragon Ball Super started airing in my country (Israel) and we just got dubbing for the opening song... And it sounds like shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWJPPT8yCZc
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