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Jul 19, 2016 12:13 AM
#251
[quote=SH4kun]RIP Asahina. It was nice knowing your brown melons. Actually Naegi in my opinion woke up in a dream and thought she was dead, because if he woke up why didn't anyone else?????? |
Jul 19, 2016 12:17 AM
#252
amc9988 said: KaiserNazrin said: ''Would be funny if Naegi really is the traitor and we are being played too. Maybe he's not the real one. Hahaha, I wonder if this will be possible, after all in Danganronpa Gaiden Killer Killer, the main character supposed to discover Naegi's dead body. Also Kodaka said this manga is directly liked with this anime, so there's that http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-05-09/killer-killer-manga-is-revealed-as-danganronpa-spinoff-in-3rd-chapter/.101865 Also why does everyone here says they are in a different building? About Naegi's dead body It's a doll or something like that |
Jul 19, 2016 12:21 AM
#253
Does anyone know exactly, HOW long they've been asleep/knocked out for? |
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Jul 19, 2016 12:21 AM
#254
Oh Im gonna read this new Spin-off series. Was the whole chapter finished translation? I enjoy the Danganronpa:Zero before. So much mindf*ck xD |
Jul 19, 2016 12:22 AM
#255
Yehart said: Does anyone know exactly, HOW long they've been asleep/knocked out for? Yehart said: Does anyone know exactly, HOW long they've been asleep/knocked out for? So far we don't know yet.. |
Jul 19, 2016 12:23 AM
#256
Alright, cool. I thought it was simply information I just missed, but I guess not. I guess it's okay to take that into consideration. |
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Jul 19, 2016 12:23 AM
#257
Rayster said: Well, it's still ongoing. So it's not finished yetOh Im gonna read this new Spin-off series. Was the whole chapter finished translation? I enjoy the Danganronpa:Zero before. So much mindf*ck xD |
Jul 19, 2016 12:47 AM
#258
Much better than 1st episode I did not expect Asahina to die early because she is listed as main character in MAL |
Jul 19, 2016 1:30 AM
#259
I hated this episode. Like, of course not EVERYTHING, there were some things I really liked, but everyone acted so stupid and kept reminding me how HIGH SCHOOLERS were smarter than grown ass adults. Also the guy and Asahina were so obviously gonna die. Jesus. Also fuck that Other Hope Guy. I have been given no reason to like him or his dead love interest. Sure they may explain it but I feel it'll be hella clichéd and not enough to make me alright with their bullshit. Phew, other than that it was pretty good. They could've improved it if they at least made the effort to have them talk like normal people or have the assholes make more compelling points. Sure it may all be better when stuff is explained but that doesn't take away the pain I went through yelling at the screen in this episode. Also, RIP guy with annoying anime girl voice, forever will he be left underdeveloped, and Asahina who can at least be together with her girlfriend in heaven away from these idiots. |
Jul 19, 2016 3:39 AM
#260
Thanks Kodaka. No, seriously cancel the last two minutes. |
Jul 19, 2016 4:04 AM
#261
Well fuck... The despair is crushing me... RIP Asahina ;-; You will always be our fav donut girl. Seriously though, why did Asahina have to die??? I thought she would have the protection of the plot armor... I'm crying so hard rn T_T Poor Asahina, first they kill off her best friend, then they kill off her brother, then they kill her off? Wtf, she does not deserve such cruelty. I hope that Juzo guy gets killed off tbh, he's seriously such a dick. Kyosuke too. And istg, if they dare touch my beloved Kirigiri I will rage so freaking hard. I'm liking Gozu and that computer girl too. They both seem pretty awesome. I feel like the computer girl is the traitor, though. She seems pretty suspicious to me, for some reason. 5/5 |
Jul 19, 2016 4:28 AM
#263
My theory: The traitor isn't allowed to kill the MC directly, so he kills everyone who is likely to defend him. Leaving blood on his hand gives me this impression. It looks like that the guy with a sword (was he one of the survivor from the first season?) can't open doors. What about the other girl? She follow the MC when she created the opportunity for them to escape. Maybe she's not allowed to sleep in the same room as him or something? I hope she lives (and is not the killer). Back in S1, they were my ship :( |
Jul 19, 2016 4:36 AM
#264
The more I grow attached to Ryouta and Miaya, the more I suspect them. Fml. So I bought a box of donuts and ate them to mourn the loss of Asahina-san. Too bad, I had nothing to mourn Bandai. Sorry Bandai. |
Jul 19, 2016 4:38 AM
#265
The jerks need to die next. They're stupid. It's so obvious Asahina is so dead, so much that her surviving will be a surprise, too bad didnt happen. don't tell me the jerks will be the survivors. At least don't kill Kyoko. I like Persona but the Yu lookalike needs to die. Don't tell me those jerks won't at least think that Naegi's being framed and why would he kill someone who will just cast more suspicions on him. Is crystal ball guy with them? he's in OP. |
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Jul 19, 2016 4:43 AM
#266
I guess you could say Asahina was... (•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) Asahinated. YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAH |
Jul 19, 2016 5:14 AM
#267
Jul 19, 2016 5:17 AM
#268
Sherlupin said: It's brown though. And Chisa is the one who die firstOf course the two black characters die first... |
Jul 19, 2016 5:26 AM
#269
Jul 19, 2016 5:41 AM
#270
Too bad for Asahina, there was no way for her to survive this one as well. Gozu is pretty suspicious, maybe his fobidden action is not letting anybody get killed in front of him. I'm really curious what is Kirigiri's, maybe not leaving the conference room? The game is getting more and more interesting so far. I hope they stop suspecting Naegi and start working together. |
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Jul 19, 2016 6:00 AM
#271
Shimai_ni said: Too bad for Asahina, there was no way for her to survive this one as well. Gozu is pretty suspicious, maybe his fobidden action is not letting anybody get killed in front of him. Wouldn't he die at the beginning then aswell? Also I think the traitor's forbidden action is; Don't tell anyone you're the traitor Which would mean he has the most freedom of all characters lol |
Jul 19, 2016 6:02 AM
#272
Gaffern said: Shimai_ni said: Too bad for Asahina, there was no way for her to survive this one as well. Gozu is pretty suspicious, maybe his fobidden action is not letting anybody get killed in front of him. Wouldn't he die at the beginning then aswell? I don't think that would count. Bandai's death was completely out of his power. Bandai died because of his Forbidden Action, so I think that wouldn't count if that was Gozu's. |
Jul 19, 2016 6:07 AM
#273
YESSSSS!!!! Finally the story just get real!!! I didn't expect they would kill major character from the 1st season so early but that's Danganronpa for you~ I like Aoi but her death just set my standard high for this series. That afro guy with Kugimiya Rie's voice finally dead. I don't know why but seeing a bulky guy with a tsundere voice cracks me up XD |
Jul 19, 2016 6:32 AM
#274
fkin last scene. RIP Asahina </3 |
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Jul 19, 2016 7:01 AM
#275
Despair_Queen said: Well fuck... The despair is crushing me... RIP Asahina ;-; You will always be our fav donut girl. Seriously though, why did Asahina have to die??? I thought she would have the protection of the plot armor... I'm crying so hard rn T_T Poor Asahina, first they kill off her best friend, then they kill off her brother, then they kill her off? Wtf, she does not deserve such cruelty. I hope that Juzo guy gets killed off tbh, he's seriously such a dick. Kyosuke too. And istg, if they dare touch my beloved Kirigiri I will rage so freaking hard. I'm liking Gozu and that computer girl too. They both seem pretty awesome. I feel like the computer girl is the traitor, though. She seems pretty suspicious to me, for some reason. 5/5 I agree except I hope that computer girl is not traitor I really start to like her lol. Yeah I really hate Juzo Sakakura I want him to die lol and I am losing respect over Kyosuke. I wonder who is going to die next hope Its anyone by Kirigiri chan |
Jul 19, 2016 7:01 AM
#276
fatina said: Naegi is still as lucky as ever: I mean be able to escape with a "gentle" rule and not be killed by the traitor because Monokuma is playing with him as the symbol of hope. Hope (Naegi) never die ... Still, despair never die is also true (sorry Munakata). I love the building swap as induce by Kirigiri: it make Hakagure just useful because he can found out the trick (because he is still in the original building). I hope they will show some informations and hints about who know this building in Zetsubou-hen (because to reproduce it, you have to know it in the first place/ and no Munakata is too obvious to be the mastermind here). This also explain how Chisa end in the chandelier (because they have plan the step up beforehand) because i don't see any ladder for now. His rule is anything but "nice". It's just like a supposed rule not too open door. It's "nice" as long as everyone is going along together, but here it's obviously not the case. It may be a basic rule but when you look at the fact it's a rule that gets him trapped since if he confront the killer at any moment he just can't escape. The traitor isn't allowed to kill the MC directly, so he kills everyone who is likely to defend him. Leaving blood on his hand gives me this impression. Why wouldn't he be allowed to? The real question is why he didn't kill Naegi. The motive. We can rule out people who really hate Naegi like the boxer dude, because te first that died was Yukizome; and even if she saw him trying to kill anyone since the killing game didn't start yet and nobody knew about the traitor it wouldn't have been a death setence. So yeah. The killer is someone who want to lead both Naegi and Munakata into despair, not only Naegi. And Asahina had more or less the same use as Yukizome for Naegi in their dynamics (Yukizome/Boxer/Munakata were friends since their school days just like Aoi/Naegi/Kiri, with Munakata/Naegi being "hope" and Aoi being "the hearth" of their group. Kiri and boxer are different in their MO, but both act as sidekick.) In the two cases the "hearth" of the group was killed; the why" is easy enough to guess; which leaves the question; who would could have something against BOTH Naegi and Munakata. I don't think Gozu is suspicious. Countless people were gueninely "good" in DR; See, Sakura. It's not impossible, but it isn't nearly enough as a proof. Kiri being suspicious is probably related to the fact that there's more about this than meet the eye. Again her not looking at the corpse or following Naegi is damn strange. But not enough to explain everything or to be really suspicious; especially now that everyone has their own rules. What I find interesting is the "what A bunch of idiots... No, I mean of talented people" of Monokuma. That's a goddamn slip of tongue showing how the person controling it will usually behave.Let's say that Yukizome s alive for the sake of the argument and that she's the one controling him, there's no way she would tell this. So yeah. I just hope the new building isn't a "VIRTUAL REALITY AGAIN MEH". That would be stupid. But I think it will not be the case. |
Jul 19, 2016 7:55 AM
#277
My question now is, with everyone splitting into their own groups: Ryota, Tengan and Kirgiri Naegi, Gozu and Miaya Munakata and Sakakura Ruruka and Sonosuke Where did Seiko and Kizakura go? We haven't seen them since everything went to shit with Gozu, Sakakura and Munakata fighting. |
Jul 19, 2016 9:51 AM
#278
I really wish that I wasn't spoiled about the ending of this episode before I watched it -.- I was at least surprised by Bandai, so I guess that's cool? I was expecting Bandai to last a little bit longer, but I guess that's just how it goes. I have a feeling that the SHSL therapist's bracelet says that she cannot be touched by others which is why she dodge Asahina's hand. I'm guessing that the SHSL Student Council President is probably unable to open doors since he opted to not go for Naegi after throwing the sword. I'm going to guess that Yasuhiro is the traitor this time since he's in the OP and the only "main cast chara" not in the killing game. ((Genocyder and Togami are off doing "DR: Another Episode" stuff so I'm giving them a pass this time)) I have a feeling Yasuhiro is going to show up in the later episodes and then throw everything off. There's also a possibility that the SHSL Homemaker has something to do with this too. (Also, I wish she was still around rn because she was so adorable!) Just throwing some theories around. Definitely looking forward to next week and I'll be sure to stay off all other sites until I watch the ep. |
Jul 19, 2016 9:59 AM
#279
the only thing that good about this episode is, the death of Bandai Daisaku. The death of Asahina Aoi is really </3 its not like I biased but she doesnt deserve it, well here, even tho u dont deserve it you'll die anyway. and we back to square one, this got some serious plot, everyone can be the traitor. the member that I suspect are quite many. 1.Great Gozu --- well, hes quite a gentleman, and I didnt see he will kill others just cause he needs to, but on the other side also, hes kinda suspicious, very. I cant describe why but thats what I feel. 2.Miaya Gekkougahara --- maybe I'm a bit unfair, but shes on control of Monomi, anything can happen. + I know shes shy and all, but thats whats make me think she's got quite a disguise. 3.Kyousuke Munakata --- I don;t know why, I'm thinking maybe his forbidden rules have something to do like, he needs to kill someone, cause when the time Makoto closed the door, and his sword is stuck on there, hes checking the bracelets. Also, cause hes the one who bringing the talk about voting whos probably the traitor, and if the one whos killed not the traitor, he just need to keep killing someone. 4.Chisa Yukizome --- OR maybe, shes the traitor. shes faking her own death, shes still alive inside that building, somewhere, eating popcorn and said "there you go, I'm dead.". She maybe the imposer all along also, shes the one whos taking control. All of that is just what I'm thinking, but seriously, theres some of them that I didnt write in here, that looks suspicious. but well these are the top 4 //LOL. Well, I'm looking forward for next week, who do u think that'll die next episode? I'm up for Andou Ruruka, hahaha //Sorry for my bad grammar and english. seriously rip. |
Jul 19, 2016 10:29 AM
#280
AzureAceOfficial said: Gaffern said: Shimai_ni said: Too bad for Asahina, there was no way for her to survive this one as well. Gozu is pretty suspicious, maybe his fobidden action is not letting anybody get killed in front of him. Wouldn't he die at the beginning then aswell? I don't think that would count. Bandai's death was completely out of his power. Bandai died because of his Forbidden Action, so I think that wouldn't count if that was Gozu's. Of course it would count. Bandai's death was also completely out of his power. How was he supposed to prevent the others from fighting? If he told the others about his forbidden action the killer could then use it against him to kill him easily, so his death was extremely unfair (which I suppose is the point). If Gozu's was related to witnessing someone's death, then he would have died after seeing Bandai die right in front of him. Besides, he gave the whole "I will never watch my friends die" cliche line, so it's likely just part of the guy's personality. |
Jul 19, 2016 10:33 AM
#281
nobody199 said: MightyM16 said: nobody199 said: What really shocked me wasn't the deaths, but the weak logic and salvage behavior of the members. A man who is willing to kill everyone to kill despair, its fucking ridiculous because that's what the bear wants. At this point it doesn't matter if he is or not the assassin he's a danger to society, he needs to be killed! The same goes for the fucking boxer, he killed indirectly his companion and he didn't flinch or anything, for god's sake. He also isn't ashamed of using violence on women or anyone else for that matter. Let's no forget the couple(sort of...) who threatned kill Aoi if she kept questioning. How can this psychopats represent hope? They are no better than the guys they kill. The rest of the member doesn't do shit to stop munakata and the boxer( that by the way should be considered suspects for even sugest killing as a first option) and start a decent DEBATE for who the traitor is! Just to be clear, aside from the fact that by having most influence around the members, if munakata is the traitor then that makes some sort of sense because nobody would question him and he could kill whoever he wants two times each round, but someone smart enough would figure it out. If not than he's a fucking idiot, because the real traitor knows who he have to manipulate so he cannot be killed.Chisa was impaled(sort of...) in chandelier, at least there has to be someone strong and big to do that... also, funny munakata, an example of human being, didn't said he would be willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good.Awfull episode, really wasn't expecting this: 2/10. WARNING: this my critic, that means, nobody needs to agree with me or talk bad about me, just reply and we will discuss our ideas with respect of course, like normal people Did you play the games? Some people in the FF are radical like that, they operate in a policy of killing despairs no matter what, even if it's at the cost of their own members In the view of these guys, Makoto is most likely the traitor considering that he protected the remnants so tehy're trying to get rid of him first Someone already said the same things and I admit that I didn't wacth nor played the game so there is a lack of information about the foundation that gave my opinion, but not enough to change it. I would ask: how this people were able to become members in the first place? And the answer is probably: "desperate times calls for desparate measures".It is the most certain answer, however it will only deepen the problem. an example to clarify where i want to get is : when you gaze at the abyss, the abyss gazes at you too, meaning the same persons that fight despair have the potential to become them, and so the cycle continues... The Future Foundation isn't meant to be something entirely nice and just to begin with so I'm not sure why do you think it is a problem for the series theUniverse said: I hated this episode. Like, of course not EVERYTHING, there were some things I really liked, but everyone acted so stupid and kept reminding me how HIGH SCHOOLERS were smarter than grown ass adults. Also the guy and Asahina were so obviously gonna die. Jesus. Also fuck that Other Hope Guy. I have been given no reason to like him or his dead love interest. Sure they may explain it but I feel it'll be hella clichéd and not enough to make me alright with their bullshit. Phew, other than that it was pretty good. They could've improved it if they at least made the effort to have them talk like normal people or have the assholes make more compelling points. Sure it may all be better when stuff is explained but that doesn't take away the pain I went through yelling at the screen in this episode. Also, RIP guy with annoying anime girl voice, forever will he be left underdeveloped, and Asahina who can at least be together with her girlfriend in heaven away from these idiots. High schoolers? You do know that Naegi, Asahina and Kyoko are already adults don't you? |
MightyM16Jul 19, 2016 10:59 AM
Jul 19, 2016 10:57 AM
#282
I think the killer is not Great Gozu, for logical reasons. If he needed to kill it would make him less suspicious if the victim was someone not in the same room. He could walk out with ease, do the kill and then arrange the barricade again like nothing happened. Gekko is slightly suspicious: - scouter guy pointed at her, I expect he would know peoples faces well and have good intuition. If something is off with Gekko, who we assume he scouted for Hope's Peak, there might be something about it. - Her wheelchair is being able to do handy things. But moving a heavy cabinet and a heavy man as Gozu, might be difficult. That gives her no choice within the timelimit and she has to kill someone inside the room. - Hiding behind a cute pink bunny simulator makes her look innocent, that's her plan. |
Jul 19, 2016 11:07 AM
#283
Rayster said: Anyone noticed this too? It's just funny everyone has a round bracelet while Hagakure has a beads one. Makes him different from the OP :P WOW NICE CATCH! So yeah, he is NOT playing the game...so what will be his purpose on the show, I wonder. |
Jul 19, 2016 11:20 AM
#284
"The Future Foundation isn't meant to be something entirely nice and just to begin with so I'm not sure why do you think it is a problem for the series" You got that wrong. I never said in any moment that the problem was that the future foundation was nice. They shouldn't be nice, this is a serious situation with a lot of things in stake. You don't have to be entirely nice, but also not entirely wrong. Something not entirely nice doesn't have to be a suggestion of killing your co-worker, beating them senselessly because you want. This is not being nice, but totally in a irrational way. But that's okay, let's go with what you said, what happens when Munakata suspects Gozu for having defended Naegi from certain death and kills him, then he suspects the old man because he knows the entire bulding and is the traitor, and kills him along with everyone who tries to defend him? That's what I was trying to say using Nietzche's phrase: Are you willing to contradict your own principles, do everything you fought against to kill the enemy? Dark Knight is perfect example of what I'm saying. Munakata is Harvey Dent, lol! and he just lost his Rachel(Chisa). "High schoolers? You do know that Naegi, Asahina and Kyoko are already adults don't you?" I think definitely knows that, he's saying that in first show they were much more rational and actually worked together to solve who did this instead of killing whitout thinking twice. |
JustAMangaFanJul 19, 2016 11:27 AM
Jul 19, 2016 11:21 AM
#285
Andrewapps said: AzureAceOfficial said: Gaffern said: Shimai_ni said: Too bad for Asahina, there was no way for her to survive this one as well. Gozu is pretty suspicious, maybe his fobidden action is not letting anybody get killed in front of him. Wouldn't he die at the beginning then aswell? I don't think that would count. Bandai's death was completely out of his power. Bandai died because of his Forbidden Action, so I think that wouldn't count if that was Gozu's. Of course it would count. Bandai's death was also completely out of his power. How was he supposed to prevent the others from fighting? If he told the others about his forbidden action the killer could then use it against him to kill him easily, so his death was extremely unfair (which I suppose is the point). If Gozu's was related to witnessing someone's death, then he would have died after seeing Bandai die right in front of him. Besides, he gave the whole "I will never watch my friends die" cliche line, so it's likely just part of the guy's personality. As @AzureAceOfficial said, my point was that he would die if he saw someone kill somebody else, not dying itself. If Gozu's forbidden action is to witness killing, not death, than he wouldn't have died after seeing Bandai being eliminated because of witnessing violence. |
Noir… It is the name of an ancient fate. Two sisters who watch anime. The peace of the newly born, their black hands protect. |
Jul 19, 2016 11:29 AM
#286
I've been doing my own digging around and have come up with some theories in regards to the scene below. Here we see Koichi pointing at Miaya in response to who he believes is the traitor. This scene goes by quick, so it's no wonder that it's not brought up too often, but when he said "Just a hunch", it got me thinking. I looked around for information on Koichi and what I found was at the very least, intriguing. On the wiki, his character bio states this: (Here's the link to the bio if you'd like to check yourself: http://danganronpa.wikia.com/wiki/Koichi_Kizakura) Isn't that interesting? He has "sharp intuition, which allows him to assess people for their talents, and true character." He's super casual and nonchalant when he chooses her instead of Naegi, the latter being the person whom a lot of people have suspected for being the traitor. Koichi most likely doesn't believe at all that Naegi is guilty due to his sharp intuition, being able to see Naegi for the good person that he really is. With this, I feel like theories that claim that Naegi is somehow killing people after he falls asleep under the gas start to crumble apart. Considering Koichi's ability of being able to assess people for their true character, he would have been able to see Naegi's malicious intentions. One may argue that if Naegi is being possessed that Koichi wouldn't be able to notice this, but I digress. This all definitely begs for more speculation on Miaya, considering that Koichi suspects her on the account he's able to assess her talents and true character. What do you guys think? |
ZoomZikeJul 19, 2016 12:01 PM
Jul 19, 2016 11:31 AM
#287
Jul 19, 2016 11:36 AM
#288
velvetprayer said: Oh boy I'm glad someone else thinks Gekkogahara is suspicious! I can't help feeling something was off about her but there isn't much evidence against her so far. I actually think she might be Monaka Towa in disguise. They have very similar hairstyles. The Gekkogahara in the original illustrations was shown standing, and not sitting on a wheelchair. And what if Gekkogahara isn't talking because it would have revealed Monaka's identity? Monaka could have easily killed off the real Gekkogahara and assumed her identity. In the past two DR games, the mastermind was always hiding behind the screen. What if this time the mastermind is already in their midst and right next to Naegi? Yes, her traits that are similar to Monoka raise flags for me too, but at times I think they might actually be red herrings. It seems all a little too masked for a good reason such as how her voice actress is not mentioned, the class she graduated is not mentioned. I think you make a very good point in that all these "mysterious" traits about her are all obvious ways to hide her identity. I would argue even the scarf might be intentionally there to block more of her face and hide. So it makes me think that she can be one of two people in disguise: Monoka or Nanami Chiaki (the real one). None of their actual whereabouts has been addressed yet, so that's why I chose these two. She remains suspicious, however she is sort of giving me strange vibes... In Danganronpa 2, the most "suspicious characters" in the game was Nanami Chiaki, because she was not a real person in the game...while it turned out everyone else was guilty (remnants of despair) and she was innocent. In that sense, it's making me definitely be wary in trying to assume that just because a character is suspicious does not make the character necessarily bad. But it does indicate importance of their role. Which is why many people feel like Chisa is not dead, and therefore the traitor. Personally, I think that even if she did fake her death, that doesn't necessarily make her guilty. Just because Gekkogahara looks and acts a little too innocent, I think all we can really do is continue to watch her interactions. I think this game really questions the judicial stance of "innocent until proven guilty" since it is often the ones that are actually guilty that feign innocence...and there's BARELY any evidence against this person since they're extremely good at faking innocence and covering up after themselves. In this case, you're innocent unless someone can find an ounce of evidence against you, and if you're really good u cover ur tracks completely. That's why I think if someone in a time of chaos can stay somewhat composed + collected, they are trying so hard not to make one wrong move. Trying a little too hard. ZoomZike said: This all definitely begs for more speculation on Miaya, considering that Koichi suspects her on the account he's able to assess her talents and true character. What do you guys think? I noticed this scene in the episode too, and I definitely agree with you. It was not random for him to go and point at her. As I explained above (in my other response), she definitely has certain traits that draw people to her even though her 'personality' is one that gets hidden by other vibrant, very bold characters. I think that the fact that you pointed out that how Koichi is great at assessing people's talents and true character points at one truth for me. Which I'll have to thank you for. Gekkougahara is not who she claims to be. Her name, and her disguise is all set up to hide who she really is. I think that's all we can really conclude from Koichi's accusation. They literally just started the game and are still confused about what's going on. Koichi acts on intuition, and it tells him that this person in front of him is full of lies. This causes him to point at her as the traitor, but this doesn't necessarily point at the fact that Gekkougahara is, indeed, the traitor. Just that it's not her true character. I think that based on what we know so far, there is really one person who I think she really is: Nanami Chiaki This theory makes sense to me because they did not reveal the class she graduated in her profile. They say it's "unknown". Is it really unknown, since if it INSTEAD said 77th class (the same class the Remnant of Despair graduated from), her identity would immediately be revealed. I believe this is why she chose to hide it. Similarly, another reason that causes me to believe that Gekkougahara is Nanami Chiaki, is the fact that she worked on the Neo World Program and had a role in creating it. From the information we have, she is in the same class as the Remnants of Despair and they all fell into despair, yet her whereabouts are "unknown". I feel that if she mysteriously "dies" in the Zetsubo-hen, this will support my theory. It would make sense since her A.I. was probably based off the real Nanami Chiaki, who wants to save her friends. It would also make sense why she worked on the program, to save them. People think that Chisa is Monomi in SDR2, but I would like to argue that since Chisa is ALIVE, and we all know how the despair-hen is going to end...the teacher in the end could do nothing for them. And she continuously, I would argue, followed Munakata in moving forward rather than going back and changing the past. Nanami however did not lose hope in them, the same way naegi did not lose hope in them. We have to remember that Gekkougahara is probably one of the few people in the future foundation that actually believe Naegi is innocent. Why would she not? She helped create the program, and was probably aware of it when Naegi used it to try and help save the Remnants of Despair. It's true that the killer would try to side with Naegi to appear less suspicious to US, but to Naegi he most likely trusts Gekkougahara due to this fact. People are talking about how Miaya stays way too close to Naegi, which adds suspicion to her character, however I think she is trying to protect him from up close in some way. Most people would point fingers and believe she is Monaka, however I am not fully convinced the similarities to Monoka are red herrings. I believe that this game probably actually took quite some time to prepare, and I would argue that according to the official Danganronpa timeline, Monoka would not have been able to join the Future Foundation since she is a kid...in elementary school and she had to have SOME role in creating the Neo World Program. I believe it's a known fact that although Miaya is mysterious, one known fact of her by the future foundation (which causes them to trust her) is that she worked on this program. These are the reasons against people who suspect her of being Monaka. |
EarlCielJul 19, 2016 12:09 PM
Jul 19, 2016 11:52 AM
#289
ZoomZike said: I've been doing my own digging around and have come up with some theories in regards to the scene below. Here we see Koichi pointing at Miaya in response to who he believes is the traitor. This scene goes by quick, so it's no wonder that it's not brought up too often, but when he said "Just a hunch", it got me thinking. I looked around for information on Koichi and what I found was at the very least, intriguing. On the wiki, his character bio states this: (Here's the link to the bio if you'd like to check yourself: http://danganronpa.wikia.com/wiki/Koichi_Kizakura) Isn't that interesting? He has "sharp intuition, which allows him to assess people for their talents, and true character. He's super casual and nonchalant when he chooses her instead of Naegi, the latter being the person whom a lot of people have suspected for being the traitor. Koichi most likely doesn't believe at all that Naegi is guilty due to his sharp intuition, being able to see Naegi for the good person that he really is. With this, I feel like theories that claim that Naegi is somehow killing people after he falls asleep under the gas start to crumble apart. Considering Koichi's ability of being able to assess people for their true character, he would have been able to see Naegi's malicious intentions. One may argue that if Naegi is being possessed that Koichi wouldn't be able to notice this, but I digress. This all definitely begs for more speculation on Miaya, considering that Koichi suspects her on the account he's able to assess her talents and true character. What do you guys think? Well there's always the fact that she is the spitting image of Monaca. Same hairstyle. Both have a hairband. Both wear black knee highs. Both wear whites shoes. Both need wheelchairs because their legs are broken? You see what I'm getting at? Plus, there's the fact that Kodaka hasn't disclosed her voice actress. If she WAS in fact Monaca, then she would have the same voice actress, right? So keeping it a secret would hide that fact. |
Jul 19, 2016 12:03 PM
#290
AzureAceOfficial said: Well there's always the fact that she is the spitting image of Monaca. Same hairstyle. Both have a hairband. Both wear black knee highs. Both wear whites shoes. Both need wheelchairs because their legs are broken? You see what I'm getting at? Plus, there's the fact that Kodaka hasn't disclosed her voice actress. If she WAS in fact Monaca, then she would have the same voice actress, right? So keeping it a secret would hide that fact. You know,the first time I've seen Miaya's character design made me think of Monaka. But holy cow, now THAT'S interesting. The idea of her actually being Monaka in disguise is nice but it makes me feel like I've been spoiled lol. |
Jul 19, 2016 12:05 PM
#291
SirMaddy said: So let us go over the evidence that makes Chisa still alive. - Asahina got shaky cam when discovered, Chisa didn't - Asahina and Bandai's deaths parallel their deaths in the OP, Chisa didn't - Asahina was just found in a normal place, Chisa was found on the Chandelier - Asahina was also stabbed through the heart and was surrounded by a pool of blood, Chisa didn't Makes sense since she was the Ultimate Despairs' teacher |
Jul 19, 2016 12:20 PM
#292
Oh my. Hina was my fav girl amongst the DR1 surviviors. But I guess her death worked well in establishing that not even the ex-MCs are immortal. I wonder if Makoto will get offed in the middle of the show and leave all to Kirigiri. That'd be fun to watch. Anyway for now I have 3 candidates for a traitor 1. Chisa (since she was seen watching the show in the beginning of Despair arc. And knowing how heavy the games were with foreshadowing it can't be dismissed as just a random clip) 2. Ryota - since during his short screen time he looked like Makoto-lite and that can set an interesting battle o opposites in the end 3. Hiro. CAuse he was so useless in the entire DR1 and completely blends with the envronmet in the anime. I mean there must be a reason for him to exist |
Jul 19, 2016 12:41 PM
#293
As soon as Makoto's speech started, Asahina's death flags were raised. It was either her or Great Gozu. Now let's see how Naegi 'The Ultimate Did-Nothing-Wrong' Character will handle this, his friend died and he's literally got her blood on his hands, the despair is R E A L. Also gdi, the farmer died because of that fucking asshole boxer, pisses me off, I tell ya. Also is it actually possible that Munakata's Forbidden action is that he can't kill Naegi and that's why he proposed to Naegi to kill himself? |
ResiverenceJul 19, 2016 12:59 PM
Jul 19, 2016 1:06 PM
#294
Shimai_ni said: Andrewapps said: AzureAceOfficial said: Gaffern said: Shimai_ni said: Too bad for Asahina, there was no way for her to survive this one as well. Gozu is pretty suspicious, maybe his fobidden action is not letting anybody get killed in front of him. Wouldn't he die at the beginning then aswell? I don't think that would count. Bandai's death was completely out of his power. Bandai died because of his Forbidden Action, so I think that wouldn't count if that was Gozu's. Of course it would count. Bandai's death was also completely out of his power. How was he supposed to prevent the others from fighting? If he told the others about his forbidden action the killer could then use it against him to kill him easily, so his death was extremely unfair (which I suppose is the point). If Gozu's was related to witnessing someone's death, then he would have died after seeing Bandai die right in front of him. Besides, he gave the whole "I will never watch my friends die" cliche line, so it's likely just part of the guy's personality. As @AzureAceOfficial said, my point was that he would die if he saw someone kill somebody else, not dying itself. If Gozu's forbidden action is to witness killing, not death, than he wouldn't have died after seeing Bandai being eliminated because of witnessing violence. Isn't that up to interpretation? Since Bandai's forbidden action is to witness violence between others, did the Ultimate Boxer not cause his death? Especially since Bandai was trying to warn him not to? If so, that would trigger Gozu's bracelet, no? Hmm... I'm not ruling out the possibility, it just seems somewhat of a leap. Say both Gozu and Bandai were in the same room, and Munakata killed Naegi. That would cause both of their deaths, which is kinda insane. But I suppose we'll find out soon enough. |
Jul 19, 2016 1:21 PM
#295
Miaya said: Actually if you've played the DR1 Game, I'm sure you noticed the large screen TVs on the buildings in the outside world, that makes it pretty probable that he can watch it, though since all the entrances and exits are blocked, how is Hagakure going to get inside - THAT is the real question.Tamura said: Miaya said: Qlonoa said: hm.... Where is Hagakure?? He does not appear the whole episode Remember episode one he is outside. So maybe that means maybe he is the savior or the traitor ? Logically he knows about the killing because it's broadcasted worldwide. Who knows ? Everything is possible in the world of Danganronpa. :D Or maybe it's not only broadcasted via tv ? I honestly don't know I was just saying my thoughts. |
Jul 19, 2016 1:27 PM
#296
taynis said: The opening changed a little bit, it is more bloody now. Still really good, love it. And of course shows just 15 survivors. MONOMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII <3 And yeah, Gekkogahara (?) is the same who helped with the program on the second game, I remember they just mention a "Ultimate Therapist", but it is really her. So yeah, they were hacked from inside, that explain why it was so easy to begin with. (AND I DO THINK SHE IS REALLY SUSPICIOUS, BUT THAT ULTIMATE SCOUTER IS TOO) Wow, there is no words to describe how much I hate that Ultimate boxer D: THEY WERE SO CHILL WHEN BANDAI DIED HAEHAEIAHEHAEIH It was like "Oppsie, he died". So, each one have a rule. Bandai could't witness violence against one of the participants. The best course of action would tell each other their rules, but nah. It would never happen, let's be honest. Dude, they have the freaking ULTIMATE DETECTIVE between them. I would be all "IT IS TIME FOR U TO SHINE, GUUURL. PUT UR ASS TO WORK" So apparently Seiko has betrayed them in the past. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I CAN'T BELIEVE ASAHINAAAA *flipping tables* Didnt even notice they changed all the character death sides to a plain black tone for the charas |
Jul 19, 2016 1:35 PM
#297
Something I want everyone to note here. I don't think anyone has noticed this but major credit goes to WeebyNewz on YouTube for this find. In this episode. The counter at the beginning says "Remaining Survivors 15 People" However, in the Monokuma Hunter game, there are 15 people. But one of them is dead, being Chisa. Leaving 14 people left. I doubt they'd include Hagakure since he doesn't have a sleep bangle on. So that means... There's a hidden character in the Future Foundation's ranks, like with how Mukuro Ikusaba was a hidden character in the first game. Again, huge props to WeebyNewz for that find. |
Jul 19, 2016 1:35 PM
#298
coolyoyo33 said: Also is it actually possible that Munakata's Forbidden action is that he can't kill Naegi and that's why he proposed to Naegi to kill himself? He threw a blade at Makoto. I think he still tries to kill Makoto. Also knowing him (2+1 episodes so far but he is so stereotypic character) he would kill Makoto anyways even if it meant his own death. I go with the "SHSL Scout is the traitor" theory. Then again, there is the possibility that Alter Ego Junko actually uploaded herself into Makoto, Byakuya or Kyoko. Also I think there is a possibility that Ultimate Imposter is hidden among them and he (she?) is the traitor. One important thing to notice is, Junko will be coming back. It may be through computer, necromancy, reincarnation, ressurection, "actually she is not dead" setting etc... Figuring out how it will be is the key to solve this. |
Jul 19, 2016 1:38 PM
#299
AzureAceOfficial said: Something I want everyone to note here. I don't think anyone has noticed this but major credit goes to WeebyNewz on YouTube for this find. In this episode. The counter at the beginning says "Remaining Survivors 15 People" However, in the Monokuma Hunter game, there are 15 people. But one of them is dead, being Chisa. Leaving 14 people left. I doubt they'd include Hagakure since he doesn't have a sleep bangle on. So that means... There's a hidden character in the Future Foundation's ranks, like with how Mukuro Ikusaba was a hidden character in the first game. Again, huge props to WeebyNewz for that find. That or Hagakure count somehow. Which would be an even biggr "wut?" Also I think there is a possibility that Ultimate Imposter is hidden among them and he (she?) is the traitor. One important thing to notice is, Junko will be coming back. It may be through computer, necromancy, reincarnation, ressurection, "actually she is not dead" setting etc... Figuring out how it will be is the key to solve this. It's been a while so I'll still ask; aren't the despair kid supposed to be into coma? |
Jul 19, 2016 1:40 PM
#300
willardhwright said: AzureAceOfficial said: Something I want everyone to note here. I don't think anyone has noticed this but major credit goes to WeebyNewz on YouTube for this find. In this episode. The counter at the beginning says "Remaining Survivors 15 People" However, in the Monokuma Hunter game, there are 15 people. But one of them is dead, being Chisa. Leaving 14 people left. I doubt they'd include Hagakure since he doesn't have a sleep bangle on. So that means... There's a hidden character in the Future Foundation's ranks, like with how Mukuro Ikusaba was a hidden character in the first game. Again, huge props to WeebyNewz for that find. That or Hagakure count somehow. Which would be an even biggr "wut?" I would doubt it, he isn't a part of this killing game. At least that's what we think right now. |
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