OneFreeEmiya said: truisms said: @OneFreeEmiya but if that argument is based on the false premise that child porn doesn't harm children it's not asking the tough questions, it's making a statement based on a premise which is untrue. i agree that it's worth questioning whether loli is actually harmless just because it doesn't directly necessitate harming children in its production. What if the child willingly participates in it or experiments with it? While highly unlikely, would the child in question be in harm? Does that eliminate the false premise? That's an entirely irrelevant question to the question of whether lolicon harms children and is a bigger leap than the original false premise, since the classification of child porn depends on fact children do not have adequate faculties to consent. It's actually easier to believe that secondary viewers of child porn do not cause harm than to believe that children 'consent' to being sexually abused. But again, this is so far away from original topic - is lolicon wrong despite not actively harming children - that you're clearly arguing just to argue. Debating whether or not child porn harms children by stacking false premises is a much more difficult way to ask that question than to just bluntly state "What if lolicon could be wrong regardless of its harm to children' |
Mayuka said: did you call holier than thou bitch right here last.fm |
| [quote=Kofrine message=46546371] Loliholic said: But does age really matter in drawing? they are draw as 8 years old all the time/most of time.Kofrine said: Will there always be a stigma to want to wack off to your little cartoon 6 year olds in peace? In most cases Lolis are between 12 and 14 years old and at the beginning of puberty. [quote] Wouldn't you say that depends on the artstyle? Have you ever watched Nichijou? If you have, tell me how you could tell that sakurai sensei is even a bit older than her students. Same head-to body ratio, same facial structure. Saying they all look like they're 8 makes you sound no better than the stereotypical anime-hater ( not saying that you're one, since you wouldn't be here if you were ). Look at any western cartoon with strong stylization in it's art. Now tell me, can you distinguish the characters age, without comparing themto one another? Probably not. Same goes with anime. |
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Kofrine said: truisms said: it's the same, if kid photo demean the kid viewpoint, then fiction drawing that interpret as kid should also be the same.not sure if you're serious or not but this is stupid. you're not literally harming children, no, but it feeds demand for those photos and encourages the people who create child porn in the first place. i'm not pro-loli but in those cases the first or initial instance doesn't require harming children. not the same. uh, no. 'demean the kid viewpoint?' i never said anything about that. furthermore what child is a fictional work demeaning? a fictional one? the issue with lolicon isn't its demeaning nature, it's the fact that people believe it could lead to actual offenses against children by acclimatizing people to pedophilic behavior. |
Mayuka said: did you call holier than thou bitch right here last.fm |
| Can't believe how many replies this got in such a short time. Yeah it's ok, noone is harmed directly by it. I've seen a poll on lolicon site before where roughly half were pedophiles and half weren't. I do believe there is a difference. People like other things in hentai but not in real life, so i see no reason this would be an exception. Doesn't matter if it encourages bad behavior. It wasn't enough to ban alcohol, cigarettes, gambling, etc so why would it be for this? You can't say that there will always be a stigma for anything really. Sexualization doesn't require justification. I can look at a child without thinking sexually. For one i'm not attracted to boys, and if a little girl is ugly i won't fantasize about them. Do you think sexually about every grown woman? No, so why would pedophiles think of every kid sexually, it's just a lie people believe. I don't lie to myself because i know i'm both, doesn't make everyone both. In small ways fiction can affect a person. Why? For many reasons. If you look at hentai and get a boner, fiction just affected reality. I rest my case. |
| Well I mean, I've seen rape in hentai and I've not become a rapist. So yeah w/e, just let ppl fat to w/e they want. Nobody chooses what they like, that's the reason why the therm "Guilty pleasure" exists and I don't think I've ever heard of anyone who didn't have a guilty pleasure. |
| If you like violence in your shows, does that mean you like violence in real life? No, you fucking philistines. |
| I feel this is one of those things where the line between reality and fiction is pretty important. As a real child or what we would consider a loli in real life is definitely different than an animated one in both physical, mental, and rearing. An animated character or even one that is simply a picture (that isn't based upon a real person) have different aspects. While 'getting off' to something like this can easily be something looked down upon it should be understood why. The huge fear of video games turning kids violent because video games are violent was/is a debate that people make stating that reality and fiction blur together and we can't tell them apart. The issue here is that this isn't the case for a lot of people. While I'm terrible at explaining things I'll finish with my 2 cents and an example. Are Loli okay? Yes- in fact several anime purposefully make characters that look like lolis that they claim to be 21+. It is a fake world that shouldn't be held up to our standards. My example I can give is the furry fandom. They like anthropomorphic animals, some want to 'get off' from them- but, not all of them are into bestiality or even into dressing up as animals. |
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YayaChibi said: r34 was actually created by a children's cartoonist who saw porn of the 2 main characters from his children's show, so he made r34.... The show he made was with this blonde kid and a tiger....i forgot the name Calvin and Hobbes? (I googled Calvin and Hobbes rule 34...and immediately regretted it) |
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The Japanese like their women like they like their whiskey, twelve-years-old and mixed up with coke. I don't understand how someone can masturbate to feminine hentai child pornography AKA LOLIS. It's nasty af. |
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Kofrine said: Like I said, 2% go get help. And this whole thing about fiction's message and stuff, it's our choice whether or not we pay attention to the message. And even looking at sexualizing lolis in a positive way it can be seen as an attempt to keep paedophiles from committing any physical acts.amk_2397 said: But i'm sure you know fiction's message and affect reality viewpoint.NO, jerking off to lolis does not make somebody a paedophile. Is it weird? Yes, but I'm confident that 98% of anime/manga fans are sane enough to know the difference between fiction and reality. As for the other 2%, go get some help. and pedophile isnt about fucking underage girl(sorry for vulgar language) but it's about getting aroused on young girl. it's psychologically not physically. |
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Golly, you sure do make some excellent points. All of which I didn't bother to remember because: |
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| *is resisting posting a bait pic* tabernac said: Okay I feel like changing tacks... How about young girls killing people...such as with Gunslinger Girls. I mean they fucked shit up but they were very young girls. Is violence more 'acceptable' than sex? yes |
Kofrine said: Deknijff said: Ain't nothing wrong with sexy lolis man what about a baby then? you mean just because it's fiction everything should always be fine? [img*]http://anime-sk.ru/wp-content/uploads/69.-Kodomo-no-Jikan-17.jpg[/img] Wouldn't you rather anime kids be used for fapping material instead of real children? Who would find a baby sexy anyway? lol, are you sure you're not thinking too much about it? And seriously, again with this kind of thread? Was this one not enough? http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1523388 |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
| It does not mean child. You dont have parents in Japan calling thier kids lolis. Loli is short for lolita. Lolita was a novel written about a man attracted to a 12 year old girl named Lolita. A loli is a sexualized early pubecent or prepubecent girl. It only has one meaning. All other meanings is just a change from the original meaning to describe any anime character that is a child or just has a certain body type. These are fictional characters and fictional characters do not have real ages. They only are as old as the day they were imagined. So there is no such thing as a legal or illegal age because you can not sex them up, they dont exist. You might as well be asking if people who like slasher films are serial killers and that the serial killers in the film are real so police should arrest the characters and the people who enjoy the films. |
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| Can't believe I didn't notice this thread until now. pkKodama said: That's like asking 'who would find a 10years old child sexy?' well they exist, person who finds them sexy.Kofrine said: what about a baby then? you mean just because it's fiction everything should always be fine?but will that affect your view point on real word? how do you view kid now? does anything change before and after you seen all these sexualized lolis? Who would find a baby sexy anyway? lol, pkKodama said: The core of debate is kinda different, so i can see why this is a separated thread.And seriously, again with this kind of thread? Was this one not enough? http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1523388 amk_2397 said: and where do you get that statistic?Kofrine said: Like I said, 2% go get help. And this whole thing about fiction's message and stuff, it's our choice whether or not we pay attention to the message. And even looking at sexualizing lolis in a positive way it can be seen as an attempt to keep paedophiles from committing any physical acts.But i'm sure you know fiction's message and affect reality viewpoint. and pedophile isnt about fucking underage girl(sorry for vulgar language) but it's about getting aroused on young girl. it's psychologically not physically. GoldNautilus said: how do you know people who like violence didnt have the thought of punching s/o IRL? it's not physically but mentally issue here.If you like violence in your shows, does that mean you like violence in real life? No, you fucking philistines. |
| [quote=Zilf message=46556031]Can't believe I didn't notice this thread until now. [quote=pkKodama message=46555637] Kofrine said: I just made up the statistic as a way to frame my thoughts. Like I believe most people are in a right enough mind to differentiate fiction and reality.Deknijff said: Ain't nothing wrong with sexy lolis man what about a baby then? you mean just because it's fiction everything should always be fine? [img*]http://anime-sk.ru/wp-content/uploads/69.-Kodomo-no-Jikan-17.jpg[/img] Wouldn't you rather anime kids be used for fapping material instead of real children? |
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| 7 pages of lolicons, waifu wars, and loli haters all in one day. I think op is today's king of MAL. |
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truisms said: OneFreeEmiya said: What if the child willingly participates in it or experiments with it? While highly unlikely, would the child in question be in harm? Does that eliminate the false premise? That's an entirely irrelevant question to the question of whether lolicon harms children and is a bigger leap than the original false premise, since the classification of child porn depends on fact children do not have adequate faculties to consent. It's actually easier to believe that secondary viewers of child porn do not cause harm than to believe that children 'consent' to being sexually abused. But again, this is so far away from original topic - is lolicon wrong despite not actively harming children - that you're clearly arguing just to argue. Debating whether or not child porn harms children by stacking false premises is a much more difficult way to ask that question than to just bluntly state "What if lolicon could be wrong regardless of its harm to children' Fair enough. While these questions seem irrelevant, they still are different angles to look at this argument. But I can understand why you would choose to ask the question more directly. FontSize72LOL said: Gensan said: > It doesn't change the fact that you're wrong this make you look like cherrylover, lmao. "my belief always right". and how do you prove him wrong? because you're always right? Well, not like i'd care for this kind of thread anyway. Making an emotional arguement without the support of facts pretty much makes him wrong. He also made the claim so its his responsiblity to prove his own point, not rely on me to refute it. The fact you are attempting to "refute" means the OP already won, if he truly is a troll. His thread has garnered hundreds of response, after all. @Shrimperor: Oho, well if you don't wish to, then I will.  |
Zilf said: Can't believe I didn't notice this thread until now. That's like asking 'who would find a 10years old child sexy?' well they exist, person who finds them sexy. pkKodama said: The core of debate is kinda different, so i can see why this is a separated thread.And seriously, again with this kind of thread? Was this one not enough? http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1523388 amk_2397 said: and where do you get that statistic?Like I said, 2% go get help. And this whole thing about fiction's message and stuff, it's our choice whether or not we pay attention to the message. And even looking at sexualizing lolis in a positive way it can be seen as an attempt to keep paedophiles from committing any physical acts. GoldNautilus said: how do you know people who like violence didnt have the thought of punching s/o IRL? it's not physically but mentally issue here.If you like violence in your shows, does that mean you like violence in real life? No, you fucking philistines. Yes, but we know about the existence of lolicons, that's a clear thing. But people who find baby sexy? That's unheard of. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
| so that mean your statistic is just a joke, it can reverse in OP's favor too. |
pkKodama said: Obligatory Umineko "Devil proof"Zilf said: Can't believe I didn't notice this thread until now. That's like asking 'who would find a 10years old child sexy?' well they exist, person who finds them sexy. The core of debate is kinda different, so i can see why this is a separated thread. and where do you get that statistic? how do you know people who like violence didnt have the thought of punching s/o IRL? it's not physically but mentally issue here. Yes, but we know about the existence of lolicons, that's a clear thing. But people who find baby sexy? That's unheard of. just because we didnt see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist (nor mean it exist) |
KonaKoffee said: He addresses the issues more than that, but if that is what you want to think then ok.7 pages of lolicons, waifu wars, and loli haters all in one day. I think op is today's king of MAL. |
OneTrueLolicon said: pkKodama said: Yes, but we know about the existence of lolicons, that's a clear thing. But people who find baby sexy? That's unheard of. Go to fanfiction.net. You would be surprised... Fanfiction is for written stories, no image as far as i know, can you show me an example to prove your point? I doubt there's even one love story with a newly born baby lol |
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Zilf said: KonaKoffee said: He addresses the issues more than that, but if that is what you want to think then ok.7 pages of lolicons, waifu wars, and loli haters all in one day. I think op is today's king of MAL. Indeed he does, desu. His questions have made me ponder the meaning of lolis. He may be arrested for such a deed, yet we can't help but thank him. |
Zilf said: KonaKoffee said: He addresses the issues more than that, but if that is what you want to think then ok.7 pages of lolicons, waifu wars, and loli haters all in one day. I think op is today's king of MAL. lmao seriously? I was pointing out the fact that op's thread was this popular in just a day, wasn't trying to go into detail on all the individual points being discussed throughout it. -_- |
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OneFreeEmiya said: The fact you are attempting to "refute" means the OP already won, if he truly is a troll. His thread has garnered hundreds of response, after all. only a troll like you would call other people troll. In the first if he's a troll, what is the purpose of troll? Baiting for reaction. but he didn't. so that mean even if he's a troll, the whole lose-profit-ratio is unbalance and doesn't make sense for a troll. |
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OneFreeEmiya said: how about you trying to talk instead of using sarcasm and joke in every of your reply?Zilf said: He addresses the issues more than that, but if that is what you want to think then ok. Indeed he does, desu. His questions have made me ponder the meaning of lolis. He may be arrested for such a deed, yet we can't help but thank him.  You must think you're some funny sarcastic comedian in real life, don't you? News flash, you aren't. Get off your high horse and get off that alt. I don't know who you are, but you lead a sad, sad life. |
Zilf said: OneFreeEmiya said: The fact you are attempting to "refute" means the OP already won, if he truly is a troll. His thread has garnered hundreds of response, after all. only a troll like you would call other people troll. In the first if he's a troll, what is the purpose of troll? Baiting for reaction. but he didn't. so that mean even if he's a troll, the whole lose-profit-ratio is unbalance and doesn't make sense for a troll. And you know his motivations how? Do tell. :3 Fact remains he did a marvelous job stringing all you folks along into this madness. KonaKoffee said: Zilf said: He addresses the issues more than that, but if that is what you want to think then ok. lmao seriously? I was pointing out the fact that op's thread was this popular in just a day, wasn't trying to go into detail on all the individual points being discussed throughout it. -_- Don't bother. Just take your frustrations out on a loli. |
Zilf said: KonaKoffee said: He addresses the issues more than that, but if that is what you want to think then ok.7 pages of lolicons, waifu wars, and loli haters all in one day. I think op is today's king of MAL. Honestly who cares? Makes a loli thread on MAL --> This. Side note your post count is scandalous |
Zilf said: how about you trying to talk instead of using sarcasm and joke in every of your reply? You must think you're some funny sarcastic comedian in real life, don't you? News flash, you aren't. Get off your high horse and get off that alt. I don't know who you are, but you lead a sad, sad life. Stop yelling at us, our feelings are delicate and we get offended easily. Plz be nice to Emiya. thank you You're right fam, they're the perfect stress ball. *strangles a shitty loli* come at me, hoe! |
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OneTrueLolicon said: Right you are. He is not even a good alt at that. At least I recognize the facts about lolis and how great they are instead of pretending to be the "Emiya" we all know and love. Screw you! Emiya is best girl, you don't even know. |
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OneFreeEmiya said: Madness? there's no madness before you've arrived here, OP has been polite but then you came and stir up all this shit.Zilf said: only a troll like you would call other people troll. In the first if he's a troll, what is the purpose of troll? Baiting for reaction. but he didn't. so that mean even if he's a troll, the whole lose-profit-ratio is unbalance and doesn't make sense for a troll. And you know his motivations how? Do tell. :3 Fact remains he did a marvelous job stringing all you folks along into this madness. You must think it's funny to push the blame on OP right? |
KonaKoffee said: Zilf said: how about you trying to talk instead of using sarcasm and joke in every of your reply? You must think you're some funny sarcastic comedian in real life, don't you? News flash, you aren't. Get off your high horse and get off that alt. I don't know who you are, but you lead a sad, sad life. Stop yelling at us, our feelings are delicate and we get offended easily. Plz be nice to Emiya. thank you You're right fam, they're the perfect stress ball. *strangles a shitty loli* come at me, hoe! H-how could you?! ;___; Don't touch!  |
Gesu- said: If wouldn't have been like this if you sheeple didnt came and baiting and stir up all this.Zilf said: He addresses the issues more than that, but if that is what you want to think then ok. Honestly who cares? Makes a loli thread on MAL --> This. Side note your post count is scandalous and i hope mal has a feature to hide my post count. i got harassed by that a few times already. |
KonaKoffee said: OneTrueLolicon said: Right you are. He is not even a good alt at that. At least I recognize the facts about lolis and how great they are instead of pretending to be the "Emiya" we all know and love. Screw you! Emiya is best girl, you don't even know. But Kona... He is not even the real Emiya. That title belongs to me desu. |
Zilf said: If wouldn't have been like this if you sheeple didnt came and baiting and stir up all this. and i hope mal has a feature to hide my post count. i got harassed by that a few times already. Do you need a hug? I can give you a hug if you want. COME HERE BUDDY! OneTrueLolicon said: Quit fooling around. Must I educate you on what it really means to be the One True Emiya? Jesus fucking christ, who's the real Emiya?! I don't believe anything, anymore. |
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lmao no you're just a free Emiya from a bargain sale.. Zilf said: Gesu- said: If wouldn't have been like this if you sheeple didnt came and baiting and stir up all this.Honestly who cares? Makes a loli thread on MAL --> This. Side note your post count is scandalous and i hope mal has a feature to hide my post count. i got harassed by that a few times already. I'll just assume that you don't know how things are done here.. |
KonaKoffee said: @Gesu- @OneTrueLoliconZilf said: how about you trying to talk instead of using sarcasm and joke in every of your reply? You must think you're some funny sarcastic comedian in real life, don't you? News flash, you aren't. Get off your high horse and get off that alt. I don't know who you are, but you lead a sad, sad life. Stop yelling at us, our feelings are delicate and we get offended easily. Plz be nice to Emiya. thank you you guys sound like you know this Emiya guys, are you teaming up and ganging on me? How original. Conjure up a more creative bait next time, and maybe you can garner a better result. |
ZilfJun 19, 2016 8:13 PM
| @Zilf You are an entertaining fellow, I must say. Is this your first trip here to the MAL forums? This place breed madness, filth, bait, salt, etc. If you have not realized that much, then you are sadly mistaken. Loli threads are the grandest of bait threads. Summoning madness from all sides. OP was clearly baiting. |
Zilf said: KonaKoffee said: @Gesu- @OneTrueLoliconStop yelling at us, our feelings are delicate and we get offended easily. Plz be nice to Emiya. thank you you guys sounds like you know this Emiya guys, are you teaming up and ganging on me? How original. Conjure up a more creative bait next time, and maybe you can garner a better result. lol what? we're just trying to have fun.. You can leave if you want to. Or probably not because you've already been sucked into the world of lolis.. |
Holy shit, you guys, our plan has been foiled. He found out that we have created our accounts just so we can troll him and him alone. Damn, and I thought we were going to get away with it... |
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OneTrueLolicon said: Zilf said: @Gesu- @OneTrueLolicon you guys sounds like you know this Emiya guys, are you teaming up and ganging on me? How original. Conjure up a more creative bait next time, and maybe you can garner a better result. The patronizing speech has arrived. You are so smart, you have us figured out! @Gesu: Don't listen to what that plebian says. I am the true Emiya and hence the true lolicon. There's only one true emiya that I know of: http://myanimelist.net/profile/OneTrueEmiya Where is he and what did you guys do to him!?? >:( |
OneFreeEmiya said: Yea, this is the first time i'm talking to you Mr.Clown Alt.@Zilf You are an entertaining fellow, I must say. Is this your first trip here to the MAL forums? This place breed madness, filth, bait, salt, etc. If you have not realized that much, then you are sadly mistaken. Loli threads are the grandest of bait threads. Summoning madness from all sides. OP was clearly baiting. Forum is for discussion, i have discussed here alot too, just not AD, It's a nice and friendly forum but you people makes it looks like a cesspool, don't you ashamed of yourself? |
| Honestly, I'm a bit surprised that the discussion went from 'sexualization of lolis' to 'Who's the real Emiya' so quickly... |
| ...And on the pedestal, these words appear: "My name is Ozymandias, king of kings; Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" Nothing beside remains... |
TheRedGamer said: Honestly, I'm a bit surprised that the discussion went from 'sexualization of lolis' to 'Who's the real Emiya' so quickly... The real Emiya doesn't exist. The sooner we can all admit that, the sooner we can move on with our lives. |
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Gesu- said: So that is the real account huh?OneTrueLolicon said: The patronizing speech has arrived. You are so smart, you have us figured out! @Gesu: Don't listen to what that plebian says. I am the true Emiya and hence the true lolicon. There's only one true emiya that I know of: http://myanimelist.net/profile/OneTrueEmiya Where is he and what did you guys do to him!?? >:( @OneTrueLolicon @OneFreeEmiya why dont you use your real account instead of hiding behind an alt? you've been exposed, there's no point to hide anymore. Just wait until mod online and ban you. |
KonaKoffee said: TheRedGamer said: Honestly, I'm a bit surprised that the discussion went from 'sexualization of lolis' to 'Who's the real Emiya' so quickly... The real Emiya doesn't exist. The sooner we can all admit that, the sooner we can move on with our lives. How could you say that? There is only one conclusion to this matter. And the conclusion that I am the rightful Emiya. TheRedGamer said: Honestly, I'm a bit surprised that the discussion went from 'sexualization of lolis' to 'Who's the real Emiya' so quickly... MAL desu Zilf said: OneFreeEmiya said: Yea, this is the first time i'm talking to you Mr.Clown Alt.@Zilf You are an entertaining fellow, I must say. Is this your first trip here to the MAL forums? This place breed madness, filth, bait, salt, etc. If you have not realized that much, then you are sadly mistaken. Loli threads are the grandest of bait threads. Summoning madness from all sides. OP was clearly baiting. Forum is for discussion, i have discussed here alot too, just not AD, It's a nice and friendly forum but you people makes it looks like a cesspool, don't you ashamed of yourself? Ah, then might I ask you: How serious can one take the discussion of Japanese cartoons? Gesu- said: OneTrueLolicon said: The patronizing speech has arrived. You are so smart, you have us figured out! @Gesu: Don't listen to what that plebian says. I am the true Emiya and hence the true lolicon. There's only one true emiya that I know of: http://myanimelist.net/profile/OneTrueEmiya Where is he and what did you guys do to him!?? >:( Nothing. I am merely operating with the power of all my alts. I spoke of a day I would reveal my true Noble Phantasm, and thus, that day has come... I have no regrets. This is the only path. Unlimited Alt Works. |
Zilf said: Gesu- said: So that is the real account huh?There's only one true emiya that I know of: http://myanimelist.net/profile/OneTrueEmiya Where is he and what did you guys do to him!?? >:( @OneTrueLolicon @OneFreeEmiya why dont you use your real account instead of hiding behind an alt? you've been exposed, there's no point to hide anymore. Just wait until mod online and ban you. HAHAHAHAAHAHAA You think one measley mod can take down this big of a cancer? It's been over a day.. "HAGEL EMIYA UND SEINE ALTS!!!" |
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