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| @Fappa I know i know. Subaru fails pretty hard sometimes and pays the bill for that. He is not on the mind level of a Light(DeathNote) or NGNL Blank But that people can't understand him and his extreme situation at all..... -_- |
MonoReaper said: @Fappa I know i know. Subaru fails pretty hard sometimes and pays the bill for that. He is not on the mind level of a Light(DeathNote) or NGNL Blank But that people can't understand him and his extreme situation at all..... -_- Rather than not being able to understand his situation, I believe that Fappa actually explained my mindset perfectly. I'm more into shows that portray things realistically, and for this one, even I have to admit that they do when showing Subaru's character. I think it's a personal thing that it irks me when I see Subaru act out irrationally in subsequent iterations, especially when you know for a fact just how the revival works and that he is suppose to retain his memories of his deaths. I do know that the author wrote him in as an impulsive character who is slow to pick up on clues and such, yet some of the things that he does even after dying the first few times really defies logical problem-solving and annoys the heck out of me. The only good thing that I feel comes around at those points is that the author shows to the audience that even he knows those actions are dumb, and deservedly punishes Subaru for it (kind of like this episode when he shows a lack of caution and blurts out what he wants to do with the insignia, even though he knows and has experienced death before at that very building). I don't necessarily need an OP Genius MC who thinks at the speed of a super computer or anything, but as extreme as his situation is, there are certain things that come second-nature to us all (like distrust of strangers and caution in a place where you've actually experienced death before), and when you see him acting irrationally, sometimes you just feel good when such characters aren't saved by "dumb luck" and actually get what they deserve. I guess that too can also be seen as a reason as to why I enjoy watching/reading this. I'm not that big of a fan of MCs getting saved "just because". |
L-RyoshiApr 7, 2016 1:58 PM
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L-Ryoshi said: MonoReaper said: @Fappa I know i know. Subaru fails pretty hard sometimes and pays the bill for that. He is not on the mind level of a Light(DeathNote) or NGNL Blank But that people can't understand him and his extreme situation at all..... -_- Rather than not being able to understand his situation, I believe that Fappa actually explained my mindset perfectly. I'm more into shows that portray things realistically, and for this one, even I have to admit that they do when showing Subaru's character. I think it's a personal thing that it irks me when I see Subaru act out irrationally in subsequent iterations, especially when you know for a fact just how the revival works and that he is suppose to retain his memories of his deaths. I do know that the author wrote him in as an impulsive character who is slow to pick up on clues and such, yet some of the things that he does even after dying the first few times really defies logical problem-solving and annoys the heck out of me. The only good thing that I feel comes around at those points is that the author shows to the audience that even he knows those actions are dumb, and deservedly punishes Subaru for it (kind of like this episode when he shows a lack of caution and blurts out what he wants to do with the insignia, even though he knows and has experienced death before at that very building). I don't necessarily need an OP Genius MC who thinks at the speed of a super computer or anything, but as extreme as his situation is, there are certain things that come second-nature to us all (like distrust of strangers and caution in a place where you've actually experienced death before), and when you see him acting irrationally, sometimes you just feel good when such characters aren't saved by "dumb luck" and actually get what they deserve. I guess that too can also be seen as a reason as to why I enjoy watching/reading this. I'm not that big of a fan of MCs getting saved "just because". It is not like i don't understand your opinion/point. Just reading so much "hate/rant"overall about Subaru and his "cluelessness" is frustrating. Of course, he has the memories of the first run. He's simply unsure if it happened and it is not just a vision or precognition. Yeah that was really stupid casually telling he returns the stolen item. His face after realizing what he just said was priceless^^. |
| At the first moment I thought this is another KonoSuba (what I already liked because was great), but after the action scene and the resets I've changed my mind. This anime has potential. I'll be waiting for the next episode. Great news this anime will have 26 episodes. Great animation, likeable characters and an involving story. Amazing first episode/s. |
| Part A was terrible, B was an improvement. We'll see how it goes, the rating makes me laugh tho. |
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| You have no idea how I love 50 minutes episodes, and this is one of them! Just as I expected, this anime looks to be very good and to have a proposal that would not disappoint. Since now you are explained the basic plot, basic mechanics and some characters. The factor of repeating to a check point upon death will be the interesting thing. Not like time travel but more like "Live, Die, Repeat". Learning of your mistakes, die, and then do it over again. Like a videogame. What's wrong with the Satella name? What's up with the talisman thing? Who and why summoned Subaru? Oh, this is the first anime I learn 3 different character names in the first episode xD
Subaru really accepted his summoning to a very new world very quickly, and gladly... I don't know what to think about it...It's not... IMMERSIVE. jaja Some funny moments, and some censored violence moments, some cliché moments, but overall, the episode was good. PD: That CG random characters =_= oh god why |
HumbertoZeroApr 7, 2016 7:12 PM
| Holy shit!!! I'm so happy I decided to watch this.....this might be my favorite anime of the season. |
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| Holy shit episode 1b was amazing! really excited to see what this series has too offer 5/5 |
| Good episode (A and B) that seemed to be paced just fine for me to enjoy. Elsa is hot and I love the voice of Noto, Mamiko (including her many characters over the years). 8/10 |
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| Only decided to check this out because I saw a friend of mine was watching it, I have no prior history with this series but I'm already hooked. 9/10 Definitely |
Fappa said: If people thought this will be your generic "another world fantasy harem" then they know that this isn't the case at all by now. What idiots would think this? Oh wait, idiots that don't read the synopsis of an anime and go in blind, only to complain about what's clearly pointed out in that snippet. Seriously, it takes less than a minute to read a short paragraph. If anyone actually ends up thinking this is another fantasy harem because they didn't bother taking a second to read, they should get nurtured like Natsu. Granted, they did a weird 2 episode first episode kind of thing here. What a fucking bait, lol. Other than that, this was great. I'm just an anime viewer but I definitely want to check out the LN/manga after (even if the anime covers it all). Kinda feels weird seeing that the MC's only ability is to rewind back to a save point to change the future. It'd be cool if he used his strength and learned how to fight in the future. That would certainly help him in situations like the one he's currently in, lol. |
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| Awesome start. The first part kinda reminded me about KonoSuba but the second part blew me off. The first half is very misleading. This anime has the potential to be AOTS. Reminded me of Eased and Stein's Gate. |
obsidian_stormApr 8, 2016 2:10 AM
 Fake people have an image to maintain. Real people just don’t care. |
| @Kerouyigami YenPress licensed it so any attempt for a translation got show down quickly. The first volume drops in July though :)! AthrunZ29 said: What idiots would think this? Oh wait, idiots that don't read the synopsis of an anime and go in blind, only to complain about what's clearly pointed out in that snippet. Seriously, it takes less than a minute to read a short paragraph. If anyone actually ends up thinking this is another fantasy harem because they didn't bother taking a second to read, they should get nurtured like Natsu. Granted, they did a weird 2 episode first episode kind of thing here. What a fucking bait, lol. Other than that, this was great. I'm just an anime viewer but I definitely want to check out the LN/manga after (even if the anime covers it all). Kinda feels weird seeing that the MC's only ability is to rewind back to a save point to change the future. It'd be cool if he used his strength and learned how to fight in the future. That would certainly help him in situations like the one he's currently in, lol. You won't believe how many people didn't do that. Or they did do that but from the cover and synopsis they thought that. Yeah I'm kinda mad at CR for splitting it in half because it clearly supports the impatience that people have nowadays. Oh the anime shouldn't cover even half of the current content ( Web Novel wise ) If we talk about the light novel it will cover most of them but they get released pretty fast anyway. Oh you just wait, he undergoes various interesting developments :) |
| i was ready to drop it in the first half (even tho i liked it more than other shows similar to this, i wasn't ready for another sao type of anime), i'm glad i watched second half because it seems so interesting |
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| Episode 2 PV |
Seems like they won't adapt as much content in the second episode as I expected ( if this PV gives any indication on where this episode will end ). I hope they finish the first arc with this episode but now I won't be surprised if they don't. Well in the end it's better if they take their time instead of rushing it. |
Fappa said: Seems like they won't adapt as much content in the second episode as I expected ( if this PV gives any indication on where this episode will end ). I hope they finish the first arc with this episode but now I won't be surprised if they don't. Well in the end it's better if they take their time instead of rushing it. The anime has 25 episodes. A fast pacing wouldn't make sense at all |
| That blatant Ministop advertising in the beginning lol. I used to buy meat buns from there everyday. Those were the days. People who have seen Konosuba definitely saw the similarities in the beginning. Both main protagonists even wears tracksuits. Then after the first half, it suddenly shifted into Steins;gate mode. Those CGI background characters were pretty shitty. They weren't even trying to disguise it. Which made me think Gonzo is the one behind this anime but it turns out it's whitefox the studio behind the edgiest shit I know, Akame ga kill, and Steins;gate, one of my favorite anime of all time. I actually just found out like two minutes ago that whitefox made steins;gate so my expectations for this anime just grew. Although to be honest, the chances of this anime turning into shit is pretty high. Well I do have a good first impression of this show although the premise isn't exactly very original. I just hope whitefox dont screw this up. |
"I have been wielding a blade since before your were swimming around your father's scrotum." - Kurou |
| Easily the worst part was those CG extras. Everytime I watch the ending scene I'm annoyed that the still eye reflection scene at the end is ruined by one/two extras waddling in the background for no reason. Gotta clean that shit up >.< |
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Jagd84 said: Yes, and there are even more games that don't but still incorporate the time travel element but didn't bother to list. I never said I expected MC to have played the games I listed either, but since they belong to some of the most well-known fantasy franchises in the West and Japan alike, it's pretty unlikely MC never at least heard of them. All you did was just post some exceptions and those games dealt as they primary plot points. But, that's well beside the point I was trying to make (cause there are literally thousands of other ways he would've been exposed to the time travel gimmick in the media he consumes). Like I said, my problem resides in MC remaining apparently clueless as to whatever happened to him back in the warehouse even after his second rerun and neglecting all the clues that were presented to him in the first one as if solving this mystery it wasn't of any importance, while it's been shown time and time again that he's smart and self-aware. If you're trying to tell me that just because he found himself in what he believed to be a generic fantasy setting, the idea of him going back in time couldn't have possibly crossed his mind even though all his encounters with the people he'd previously met in the first timeline seemed to indicate as such, then I will ask you kind of selective self-awereness is that? A guy would be clever enough to pretty much improvise himself into a rare goods trader with just a cell phone and a bag of chips but recognizing the patterns of time looping would be beyond his realm of understanding? When pattern recognition is at the core of self-awareness? I ain't buying it. Just because a setting has magic does not mean it has no rules or structure for what it can or can't do. He has no idea magic world is capable or what is happening to him is even magic to start with. He's already been getting punished making assumptions about his situation the last thing he needs to do make more without concrete proof. And o0nce again he's currently saddled with other business. Of course he doesn't know how the magic in this world works, but he still made the assumption that somehow the idea of a magical device that produces time magic wouldn't seem outlandish when he had no concrete proof for it. And it paid off. So yeah, not sure what you're on about, there. I also don't see how he's been punished for making assumptions: his first death was a pretty standard case of being at the wrong place at the wrong time and pretty much beyond his control: there wasn't much he could've done to save himself, even if he went in with Satella-chan. And what other business was he saddled with, exactly? etting back the insignia? Again, how is that more important?Then you would realize he no idea or proof make sense of what is going on. The entire sequence came off like sudden bad acid trip. Just being subconsciously aware of something isn't proof of anything is actually going on. Your mind complex is fully capable of play tricks on you, I know myself I've dream of this I thought were real, but turned out it wasn't. Futhermore it's not like he follow the same steps he took in the first loop Proof =/= clues; just because clues as to what happened aren't undeniable proof doesn't mean your mind won't or shouldn't start connecting the dots. And, again, it's not like MC actually dismissed the warehouse incident as some kind of hallucination: during all of part B he pretty much acted as if he had fast-forwarded to the next day.With how fast whole thing happened and fact his stomach has just been slice opened and friend of his been killed secs later there no way he concertinaing on some random voice he's in a intense amount of pain and barely conscious at that. Subaru was perfectly conscious when he heard the voice, because Elsa spoke before stabbing him. |
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| Good opening episode--got hooked. Was long, but it went by in a flash. The only thing is, given the premise that the MC is a NEET who is familiar with the "trapped in a parallel world" storyline--shouldn't he have caught on earlier that he went back in time? |
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Pknoctis said: Good opening episode--got hooked. Was long, but it went by in a flash. The only thing is, given the premise that the MC is a NEET who is familiar with the "trapped in a parallel world" storyline--shouldn't he have caught on earlier that he went back in time? Fappa said: Okay it was easy to miss but after his first death you can see that he's actually realized that something is weird, he's still skeptical though. At multiple times he tries to get indirect confirmation that the things he clearly remembers in his memories actually haven't happened yet. ( asking Rom whether he has died yet, asking Felt if she has met him yet , asking the thugs if they want revenge ). He also acknowledges that something is weird and that he has experienced this already because he has learnt from his previous loop. The second time he meets those thugs he goes for the guy with the knife first. He also decides to not repeat the same actions but rather take on the problem at its roots, the warehouse. He tries to get the insignia so that both of them don't even have to show up there if this whole reset thing is actually true of course. At scene where Elsa kicks him back he has a short flashback and he looks even more shocked because he now has the confirmation that all the things in the first loop have actually happened. He learns from this first loop by protecting his belly at all costs but it wasn't enough. After his second death and revival he finally realizes that he starts over here when he dies but he can't comprehend how this is even possible. Combine that with the traumatizing experience of being killed alongside with the pain -> blacks out Then he sees Satella and don't misunderstand he isn't surprised that she doesn't remember him. He has realized that already. He's surprised that she is upset about him calling her name ( normally you would expect a normal and probably friendly "How do you know my name?" ) and that she obviously didn't trust him enough to give him her real name. Add to this the fact that this name is the name of a witch who seems to be feared by the people. This needs to be pinned so people stop bringing this up |
| Q: The world won't change, you must change yourself in this world. Now, how will you change yourself? A: Become the god of the new world. |
arms98 said: Thanks. I see now. I was waiting for a verbal exclamation of his realizing the fact, rather like how he'd done so for the other cliches. I guess the lack of one can be attributed to shock?Pknoctis said: Good opening episode--got hooked. Was long, but it went by in a flash. The only thing is, given the premise that the MC is a NEET who is familiar with the "trapped in a parallel world" storyline--shouldn't he have caught on earlier that he went back in time? Fappa said: Okay it was easy to miss but after his first death you can see that he's actually realized that something is weird, he's still skeptical though. At multiple times he tries to get indirect confirmation that the things he clearly remembers in his memories actually haven't happened yet. ( asking Rom whether he has died yet, asking Felt if she has met him yet , asking the thugs if they want revenge ). He also acknowledges that something is weird and that he has experienced this already because he has learnt from his previous loop. The second time he meets those thugs he goes for the guy with the knife first. He also decides to not repeat the same actions but rather take on the problem at its roots, the warehouse. He tries to get the insignia so that both of them don't even have to show up there if this whole reset thing is actually true of course. At scene where Elsa kicks him back he has a short flashback and he looks even more shocked because he now has the confirmation that all the things in the first loop have actually happened. He learns from this first loop by protecting his belly at all costs but it wasn't enough. After his second death and revival he finally realizes that he starts over here when he dies but he can't comprehend how this is even possible. Combine that with the traumatizing experience of being killed alongside with the pain -> blacks out Then he sees Satella and don't misunderstand he isn't surprised that she doesn't remember him. He has realized that already. He's surprised that she is upset about him calling her name ( normally you would expect a normal and probably friendly "How do you know my name?" ) and that she obviously didn't trust him enough to give him her real name. Add to this the fact that this name is the name of a witch who seems to be feared by the people. This needs to be pinned so people stop bringing this up |
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Okay your seriously stretching this. I'll put plain, no matter how genre savvy someone my might be from watching TV or reading manga there no way in hell any of that willever prepare you for going through it first hand. Reading Berserk won't turn into stone cold badass who can fight and deal with demons in anyway shape or form. The one of key points the first episode has trying to make is that his meta-knowledge means shit in this world. If you suddenly die in one moment then suddenly come back the next you aren't going to rational or come to terms with it just like that period, hell you won't WTF is going on. So yes being confused in the beginning, is an entirely normal reaction. |
Iron_MawApr 8, 2016 9:31 PM
| Oh this is a wonderful start. The art and animation not amazing but not bad. The mc is a bit average but I like all the side characters. He's quite slow to not notice nobody remembers what happened beforehand. Anyway they have some decent girls though.. cute, sexy and deadly ones LOL. I'm glad the adaption is for two cours.. this will help the pacing hopefully. That ED song was bamm !! I'm totally hooked. |
| What a freaking start. I loved everything going into this anime. The characters are good,the sounds are okay & the art was pretty likable. The MC is pretty likable too lol I absolutely adore this voice cast too. My favorite newcomer Takahashi Rie is voicing Satella! x3 Plus this anime is being done by one of my fave studios! :O It just keeps getting better & better xP I wonder how many more times is he gonna die lol, and who the hell is Satella? this 24 more episodes are gonna be a fun ride. |
Kotarou_Apr 8, 2016 11:41 PM
Jagd84 said: And like I already told you several times, my complaint has nothing to do with Subaru not being a "stone cold badass" who's prepared to face anything and everything (no one should be prepared to be sent to another world and even less to get killed, that much is not in question, the first post you replied to made that clear). Okay your seriously stretching this. I'll put plain, no matter how genre savvy someone my might be from watching TV or reading manga there no way in hell any of that willever prepare you for going through it first hand. Reading Berserk won't turn into stone cold badass who can fight and deal with demons in anyway shape or form. The one of key points the first episode has trying to make is that his meta-knowledge means shit in this world. If you suddenly die in one moment then suddenly come back the next you aren't going to rational or come to terms with it just like that period, hell you won't WTF is going on. So yes being confused in the beginning, is an entirely normal reaction. What my problem is, is that if being sent to another world left MC-kun unfazed to the point of even being to adapt himself as well as he did in the first timeline, then the idea of time travel/time loop shouldn't be so outlandish that it wouldn't cross his mind once until well after his second rerun, even though plenty of obvious important details were presented to him throughout the entire episode 1B. Being confused is perfectly fine. Glossing over every single clue as to what might've happened to make his second death as unexpected/shocking as possible isn't: it's weird and makes me question what the author really intended for his protagonist to be. I have an issue with consistency, not with what i wanted MC to do or what I would've done in his place. PS: also, his self awareness does certainly mean shit: thanks to his clever use of it he was able to enter negotiate with Felt and Elsa and as a result learn about the existence of metia (which will certainly become an important element later on). Sure he doesn't know the specificities of this particular world, but his basic knowledge and his smarts did come in handy. |
SapewlothApr 9, 2016 1:25 AM
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| Dang that was sorta interesting |
Sapewloth said: And like I already told you several times, my complaint has nothing to do with Subaru not being a "stone cold badass" who's prepared to face anything and everything (no one should be prepared to be sent to another world and even less to get killed, that much is not in question, the first post you replied to made that clear). What my problem is, is that if being sent to another world left MC-kun unfazed to the point of even being to adapt himself as well as he did in the first timeline, then the idea of time travel/time loop shouldn't be so outlandish that it wouldn't cross his mind once until well after his second rerun, even though plenty of obvious important details were presented to him throughout the entire episode 1B. I don't think you really getting my point. You keep tying to bring up his knowledge of generic tropes or the fact he was existed to live in the world of his dreams as reason he should be aware what's going and I'm telling you no wouldn't. His happiness at being able live his personal fantasy as a hero is irrelevant to knowing about unexpected things happening. Do you think he's a detach robot or something? Furthermore most fantasy stories do not have time looping plots and you making assumptions about his knowledge and experience you can't back up. You do not go through something like he did then sudden understand the situation on the first go. Him being excited to being a in fantasy doesn't mean he actually understands anything that goes on in or will accept anything that will happen to him. Most anyone in his shoes would have prefer to think of that whole sequence as bad dream even if they're subconsciously aware of their situation and with the way his ability works it's pretty easy to think that. Especially when he's not retracing his steps. |
Iron_MawApr 9, 2016 4:19 AM
| Thats very good 1st episode. One of the best in this season Anyone know why the MC started sweating when he said that he will return insignia to its owner ? (before the black hair woman attacked them) |
| My anime of the season |
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| Just did it happen that there are so many good animes in one season! You get the feeling that anime may be actually reviving! There are a lot unique shows this season ^_^ There isn't fanservice, the characters are not your typical ones, however the mc is an idiot and can't understand what's going around him, can't read people's reactions etc.. Well he basically said he don't comunicate much with people so it's kind of understandable The concept with timeback isn't that unique anymore thou... I really liked the character designes. Still, I don't know where is this show going to go, like the only thing happening now is looping one day...it kind of doesn't have a direction to go. I hope White Fox handle it well |
ani147Apr 9, 2016 10:50 AM
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| @Jagd84 And I don't think you ever got my initial point to begin with. We've been arguing past each other since the beginning of that discussion and it's getting us nowhere: every claim I made is supported by with what I saw in the episode and nothing else. My original argument was that as a smart & self-aware guy it makes little sense for MC to have missed literally every hint at him being sent back in time during part B and I explained why (as well as the connection I made between MC's self awareness and his ability to recognize the patterns of time looping) at least three or four times already. But you kept coming back to that "do you think he's some kind of robot?" or "but he couldn't have predicted it" argument when this had nothing to do with my complaints in the first place. Let's just agree to disagree and call it a day, cause there really isn't a point in going around in circles like we're doing atm. @crx07 Thanks for the insight, mate. This is precisely the kind of response I needed to help me start reconsidering my point. I still think the fact that every single of those clues was missed was way too convenient (especially Elsa's voice, I think: even if everything else went over Subaru's head, him at least reacting to hearing her voice would've made all the rest excusable). But your comment does make a lot of sense. |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| So far my favorite premiere of the season. <3 Also, I didn't expect to like the protagonist so much. |
| better than expected tbh... |
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| I was wondering why this had such a high note in so little time and now i see why. This has the potential to be AotS. |
crx07 said: Sapewloth said: I cannot say more of this. He should remember her voice, especially if it is a traumatizing moment. But if I am in his situation, I would also not react into Elsa's voice because I suck at distinguishing voices. But I believe the "logical problem" can be corrected by having Elsa's voice actress speak with a normal intonation when she speaks during normal conversation and speak with different intonation when she speaks with the intent to kill. In this episode, she speaks with a weird intonation throughout, so Subaru should notice it. But if the VA changes her manner of speaking, it would really give us an excuse, even a weak one.I still think the fact that every single of those clues was missed was way too convenient (especially Elsa's voice, I think: even if everything else went over Subaru's head, him at least reacting to hearing her voice would've made all the rest excusable). She literally said one line and he was dead in secs and in shit load of pain. Are guys serious? How can anyone even say something like this when somebody is DYING? The only he could even think about was Satella beyond the pain! It's like even he would even comeback. Holy hell he's not a robot. It's amazing how inconsiderate and unrealistic some people think others should act when they are in beyond horrible critical situations. |
Iron_MawApr 9, 2016 11:08 PM
| @crx07 Pretty much this. Elsa having a different, not so "hey-bruh-im-totally-the-one-who-killed-you" kind of tone during their second encounter would've been a somewhat plausible explanation for MC's complete lack of reaction. @Jagd84 not sure how you're remembering the scene but you srsly need to rewatch it. Elsa spoke twice: Subaru was visibly startled the first time he heard her, but he was paying close attention to her second line before she stabbed him. |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
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