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Arcanix said: He obviously isn't alone if he indeed is Floppy. Wait is Amon supposed to be with Aogiri? If so, that's not a happy environment. I mean if he escaped from Aogiri they wouldn't let him stay alive, and Eto clearly said to Ayato to kill "Floppy" if he shows up. Damn where's chapter 59.. |
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Arcanix said: Thanks for your concern, but i'm already swimming through cold water and can't function properly. I need a bit of sun, but we are heading into a long night and i don't think that i can survive that long. It's dark as hell, there's fog and it's full of sharks. How will i be able to reach "the island". I guess you can't be helped, then. |
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Arcanix said: Help yourself and stop reading these threads or tg discussions in general, if you know what is good for you. I'm too deep down the rabbit hole to return. I think you should debate instead of replying shit, that said I have nothing against you but jesus sometimes you are annoying. |
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SleighBells said: Arcanix said: Help yourself and stop reading these threads or tg discussions in general, if you know what is good for you. I'm too deep down the rabbit hole to return. I think you should debate instead of replying shit, that said I have nothing against you but jesus sometimes you are annoying. "The night is dark and full of terrors..." that is what I expect every time I come onto these forums. You either get the annoying smartass, the tolerable ones, and the ones that can't seem to read a chapter for the life of them. deadoptimist said: *sigh* Ppl around here like to nitpick so much. The point is that arata would move Amon to the ghouls' side and possibly make Touka or her brother involved. Also, really, Kaneki sees Rize and talks to her in his hallucinations, Eto's kagune talk, Kaneki's kagune get mouths of their own after he eats Eto's, CCG members have strange relationships with their quinques, eating one's kakuhou gives one's strength to the cannibal - it's obvious that ghouls' lives are somewhat transferred and prolonged through kakuhou and kagune. Plot-wise they act similarly to blood in vampire fiction. And Amon basically gets a very strong version of that. Though you could've noticed that I stated options broadly. I hope no one would insist that it's completely unrealistic for their world that he is heavily affected by a full-kakuja armor. Or it could work in reverse - Touka would be interested in him, cause he looks like her dad. It's speculation, I don't try to prove "scientifically" the color of someone's hair. Well while I think it would be cool to see some Arata in action with other characters, it just doesn't make sense at this point in time. It would be a good way to reintroduce Touka into the story but how would Floppy break into a CCG headquarters by himself? They haven't mentioned it and you have got to know damn well that Ishida woulda foreshadowed it by now if Arata had been stolen. And at this point in time, speculation, Amon/Floppy seems to be on his own side as he was a failed experiment in the eyes of Aoigir and he may know the fucked up side of the CCG from Kanou. |
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bobzanny said: Well while I think it would be cool to see some Arata in action with other characters, it just doesn't make sense at this point in time. It would be a good way to reintroduce Touka into the story but how would Floppy break into a CCG headquarters by himself? They haven't mentioned it and you have got to know damn well that Ishida woulda foreshadowed it by now if Arata had been stolen. And at this point in time, speculation, Amon/Floppy seems to be on his own side as he was a failed experiment in the eyes of Aoigir and he may know the fucked up side of the CCG from Kanou. I am already kinda scared to cite the manga, but wasn't Arata II on Amon, when he was lost? (During the owl fight at the end of TG.) I mean I definitely remember him using it. And yeah, it's obvious that something keeps him from returning to CCG, that's the one thing we know. Maybe it's his condition, maybe it's some secrets he knows. At the end of TG he was willing to look into things himself too, so he may be in no hurry. |
deadoptimist said: bobzanny said: <br />Well while I think it would be cool to see some Arata in action with other characters, it just doesn't make sense at this point in time. It would be a good way to reintroduce Touka into the story but how would Floppy break into a CCG headquarters by himself? They haven't mentioned it and you have got to know damn well that Ishida woulda foreshadowed it by now if Arata had been stolen. <br /> And at this point in time, speculation, Amon/Floppy seems to be on his own side as he was a failed experiment in the eyes of Aoigir and he may know the fucked up side of the CCG from Kanou. <br /> I am already kinda scared to cite the manga, but wasn't Arata II on Amon, when he was lost? (During the owl fight at the end of TG.)<br /> And yeah, it's obvious that something keeps him from returning to CCG, that's the one thing we know. Maybe it's his condition, maybe it's some secrets he knows. At the end of TG he was willing to look into things himself too, so he may be in no hurry. He could have discovered some dirty secrets about CCG but idk, let's wait for the next chapters to judge. |
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deadoptimist said: Also, really, Kaneki sees Rize and talks to her in his hallucinations Kaneki also sees this kid in his hallucination. Impossible for him to be there in the hallucinations since you can't eat the kid version of yourself right?  Eto's kagune talk, Kaneki's kagune get mouths of their own after he eats Eto's, There's already a reasonable explanation for it  Ghoul's life aren't transferred through the kakuhou. If that were the case then Yoshimura is probably drinking coffee right now and talking about how taking a life is an act of evil right behind Takizawa whenever he kills someone. |
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SleighBells said: He could have discovered some dirty secrets about CCG but idk, let's wait for the next chapters to judge. Yeah, sure. As I say that's what I expected around the beginning of TG:re, but it's nowhere in sight, so maybe there will be something completely different. ----- Btw, now that I check it, Arata - 2 was given to him during the last fight in chapter 133. Takizawa later sees him lying on the ground in his usual battle garb, but it's unclear whether someone could take it from him. On the other side, there's this detail I forgot about - Tatara appears on the scene. But we'll see. I hope the story will finally get to him too. Z4k said: Ghoul's life aren't transferred through the kakuhou. If that were the case then Yoshimura is probably drinking coffee right now and talking about how taking a life is an act of evil right behind Takizawa whenever he kills someone. Z4k said: There's already a reasonable explanation for it That’s reasonable?.. She basically says “cuz I’m cool”. TG is not a sci-fi. TGs often make symbols reality too, Otherwise Kaneki wouldn't change his hair color based on his inner state. And it's logical that he sees his own stuff - his younger self - in his dreams/visions during torture. I'd say the fact that Rize appears there is indicative that kakuhou transplantation gives some connection with the previous owner. With all the emphasis put on inheriting certain kagune, named quinques etc. it does seem to me that kagune are the soul of a ghoul. Also it's a story with its own storytelling purposes. It won't take much to create a plausible explanation for kakuja quinque to affect it's wearer. If anything it was already said that an arata poses a huge strain on a CCG fighter. Let's say that, I dunno, it modifies it’s wearer brain activity to better resemble the original carrier, and being changed by arata will be also “reasonable”, or at least not much worse than a flesh-tree growing out of a mole. (Ex. it may stop an officer from killing a ghoul connected to arata's source.) Also, please, note that I don’t claim that this idea is true already. It’s a version. Maybe he is a failed one-eye, but I still put more weight on arata. On the other hand, merging is a pure (hopeful) speculation. It would be interesting, but maybe he just has turned into ghoul ,without a baggage from other one’s past. |
deadoptimistDec 24, 2015 4:25 PM
deadoptimist said: That’s reasonable?.. She basically says “cuz I’m cool”. What? No it literally explains why Kaneki is capable of doing this  Kaneki never ate Tsukiyama's kakuhou or whatever you're suggesting but in the pic you can clearly see him imitating his kagune. Also it's not just him and eto who have been using their kagune creatively. Matsumae using it as a shield and sword  Ayato hardening the kagune and using it as a huge blade  deadoptimist said: TG is not a sci-fi. TGs often make symbols reality too, Otherwise Kaneki wouldn't change his hair color based on his inner state. And it's logical that he sees his own stuff - his younger self - in his dreams/visions during torture. I'd say the fact that Rize appears there is indicative that kakuhou transplantation gives some connection with the previous owner. With all the emphasis put on inheriting certain kagune, named quinques etc. it does seem to me that kagune are the soul of a ghoul. Also it's a story with its own storytelling purposes. It won't take much to create a plausible explanation for kakuja quinque to affect it's wearer. If anything it was already said that an arata poses a huge strain on a CCG fighter. Let's say that, I dunno, it modifies it’s wearer brain activity to better resemble the original carrier, and being changed by arata will be also “reasonable”, or at least not much worse than a flesh-tree growing out of a mole. (Ex. it may stop an officer from killing a ghoul connected to arata's source.) Also, please, note that I don’t claim that this idea is true already. It’s a version. Maybe he is a failed one-eye, but I still put more weight on arata. On the other hand, merging is a pure (hopeful) speculation. It would be interesting, but maybe he just has turned into ghoul ,without a baggage from other one’s past. You're outright denying my statements that are backed up by facts from the manga with baseless assumptions here. Not that I disagree with the possibilities of Arata fusing but kakuhous don't transfer memories, souls or anything. There's nothing that implies that in the manga. |
Kaneki doesn't change his hair color based on his inner mental state. It turned white because of the torture, then it gradually turned black again. If it changed color based on his mental state, shouldn't it be turning a different color than black right now, considering Haise's hair was turning black as well? deadoptimist said: TG is not a sci-fi. It fits more in the Science Fiction genre than it does in the Fantasy genre, that's for sure. Everything that happens in Tokyo Ghoul is (in that universe) scientifically possible. Nothing impossible / supernatural happens or exists, such as magic or whatever. Anyway, nothing has even been shown that inclines us to believe that getting a ghoul's kakuhou transplanted to you gives you a connection to that certain ghoul. Kaneki hallucinates about Rize because she played a major part in his life. |
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Arcanix said: Help yourself and stop reading these threads or tg discussions in general, if you know what is good for you. I'm too deep down the rabbit hole to return. If you say so. I can't see what's wrong with respecting other people's opinions and thoughts about the manga, even though they're silly sometimes. |
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Nuvviveji said: Silly is quite an understatement. Let's not discuss this anymore. After all, this is chapter discussion |
| This is a Manga after all, it has its own "logic" and "scientific explanations" but still a Manga, you'll never know what could happen this is why I like to read theories even if they sometimes sound silly and unrealistic. Most likely Amon had a traumatic experience after Tatara wounded and presumably took him away, that said I wouldn't rule any theory out coz only Ishida knows. |
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Kajmakk said: Let's not discuss this anymore. After all, this is chapter discussion Yep, you're right. Anyway back to the topic, I'm quite surprised that Ishida hasn't revealed how Kaneki's soul and memories entered in Haise. I wonder if the quinx are going to turn into Kaneki clones too. But now that we found out that this Kaneki clone is actually an Arima clone, i can't help but wonder how does the CCG do that? Is this Haise guy the only clone that they have? Do they plan on doing more? Is there something that stops them from creating more? Ishida once again is forgetting to tell us important things. I actually believe that Urie is going to regain the memories of Kaneki, he's going to get white hair from all the stress that he'll be put to and then they're going to use Arima to make a another Arima clone. Now that Aogiri can actually make many owl clones(we found this in this chapter), the CCG do need to do something to actually have a chance in the war against them. Arima + Arima clone(Haise) + the quinx that can potentially can become Arima/Kaneki clones could stand a chance against Aogiri. Maybe V is behind all of this and they actually have Kaneki's real body and maybe this Arima is just another Arima clone. The real Kaneki may actually be an Arima clone that actually has grown up. They probably implanted his mom with Arima cells and she has given birth to this Arima clone and now that it's all grown up(this is why Kaneki doesn't remember his father, he never had one)... V probably worked with the clowns so that they can guide this Arima clone back to CCG/V, so they can use it against other ghouls. Can't wait for Ishida to actually show us the real Arima and i can't wait for them to show us the real Kaneki(first Arima clone)'s real body and what has happened to it after the fight against the Arima clone. Man, this is all such a big mistery, can't wait for Ishida to unveil it to us. |
ArcanixDec 25, 2015 2:31 AM
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deadoptimistDec 25, 2015 2:15 PM
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Nuvviveji said: Mother of speedreading.... Man I started reading Tokyo Ghoul the 12th of December, finished first 143 chapters in 4 days and :re in 2, subscribed to this site the 18th. Regarding who is right between Humans or Ghouls, if we follow the human logic then Ghouls are right. I don't remember who said it (tell me if you do) but Humans eat Cows, Chickens and so on, why shouldn't Ghouls eat Humans? It's the circle of the life... |
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SleighBells said: Well getting hyped to finish a series is okay and all but the problem with speedreading is that you miss out on a lot of stuff.......and then come and spout nonsense like that African lad.Nuvviveji said: Mother of speedreading.... Man I started reading Tokyo Ghoul the 12th of December, finished first 143 chapters in 4 days and :re in 2, subscribed to this site the 18th. Regarding who is right between Humans or Ghouls, if we follow the human logic then Ghouls are right. I don't remember who said it (tell me if you do) but Humans eat Cows, Chickens and so on, why shouldn't Ghouls eat Humans? It's the circle of the life... Although some people have low reading comprehension as is and that gets more noticeable as the manga gets more popular. In the same time I'm glad for Ishida that his manga is doing great and am not glad because it attracts some people it shouldn't. |
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Hawk_Knight said: Hmm, forgot to comment on that.Why was Touka not wearing any mask this chapter? That really threw me of in this chapter... It's like she left it home on purpose, because fuck it, Ayato will take the blame. |
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Nuvviveji said: SleighBells said: Well getting hyped to finish a series is okay and all but the problem with speedreading is that you miss out on a lot of stuff.......and then come and spout nonsense like that African lad.<br /><br /> Man I started reading Tokyo Ghoul the 12th of December, finished first 143 chapters in 4 days and :re in 2, subscribed to this site the 18th.<br /> <br /> Regarding who is right between Humans or Ghouls, if we follow the human logic then Ghouls are right.<br /> I don't remember who said it (tell me if you do) but Humans eat Cows, Chickens and so on, why shouldn't Ghouls eat Humans? It's the circle of the life... <br /> Although some people have low reading comprehension as is and that gets more noticeable as the manga gets more popular.<br /> In the same time I'm glad for Ishida that his manga is doing great and am not glad because it attracts some people it shouldn't. Hmm I don't agree, speedreading =/= missing a lot of stuff, I understood almost everything about the Manga, while I was reading I was keeping notes of the things I didn't understand and in the end I "studied" the entire Wiki. Am I one of those who shouldn't be attracted by TG? |
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SleighBells said: I'm not talking about you. I think you read it in a reasonable amount of time. Also I still stick to my claim that speedreading is bad, most people don't bother to check the Wiki, not even mentioning writing stuff down. They just skim through the chapters looking for 'cool' stuff like fighting and such, not giving two shits about the 10 or so chapters of buld-up that caused the 'cool' stuff to occur.Nuvviveji said: Well getting hyped to finish a series is okay and all but the problem with speedreading is that you miss out on a lot of stuff.......and then come and spout nonsense like that African lad.<br /> <br /> Although some people have low reading comprehension as is and that gets more noticeable as the manga gets more popular.<br /> In the same time I'm glad for Ishida that his manga is doing great and am not glad because it attracts some people it shouldn't. Hmm I don't agree, speedreading =/= missing a lot of stuff, I understood almost everything about the Manga, while I was reading I was keeping notes of the things I didn't understand and in the end I "studied" the entire Wiki. Am I one of those who shouldn't be attracted by TG? No, you're not the type of people I was talking about. I'm sorry if my post offended you. |
UltvejDec 25, 2015 10:51 AM
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pretentiousgabby said: I wonder if mutsuki will become a greater aid in combat and how shirazu and haise bieng gone will effect her (him). Saiko as well Yea Ishida will probably begin to develop them more in the coming chapters. Which will be gladly welcomed from me. |
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pretentiousgabby said: I wonder if mutsuki will become a greater aid in combat and how shirazu and haise bieng gone will effect her (him). Saiko as well He (I'll stick with this one for the sake of clarity) has advanced a lot, and even got guidance from Juuzou. I think he is already pretty strong. Though, probably, it's not the top form, and there's a long road ahead, especially in terms of self-confidence. I look forward to seeing his relationships with new Urie, they have a good chemistry, though the squad will be a bit boring and straight-faced without Shirazu. But, yeah, it's interesting what will become of Saiko. There's no time left for her to play weak, no protection from Haise too. I think she'll become considerably strong. It seems that she is one of Ishida's darlings. |
Nuvviveji said: No, you're not the type of people I was talking about. I'm sorry if my post offended you. Nothing to be sorry about. Oh and I agree with the "speedreading without paying attention to the little things " part. |
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bobzanny said: Same pretentiousgabby said: I wonder if mutsuki will become a greater aid in combat and how shirazu and haise bieng gone will effect her (him). Saiko as well Yea Ishida will probably begin to develop them more in the coming chapters. Which will be gladly welcomed from me. [quotl[/quote] He (I'll stick with this one for the sake of clarity) has advanced a lot, and even got guidance from Juuzou. I think he is already pretty strong. Though, probably, it's not the top form, and there's a long road ahead, especially in terms of self-confidence. I look forward to seeing his relationships with new Urie, they have a good chemistry, though the squad will be a bit boring and straight-faced without Shirazu. But, yeah, it's interesting what will become of Saiko. There's no time left for her to play weak, no protection from Haise too. I think she'll become considerably strong. It seems that she is one of Ishida's darlings.[/quote] yeah shirazu brought a dynamic to the team. And I agree with what you said about mutsuki. I doubt it'll happen but I wouldn't be suprised seeing a slimmer saiko in the coming chapters. |
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Tyizor said: TG is more like a realistic fantasy. There is no such thing. I hope you realize how contradictory that statement is, and how stupid it sounds. |
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Kvothe51 said: cmon you know what he means Tyizor said: TG is more like a realistic fantasy. There is no such thing. I hope you realize how contradictory that statement is, and how stupid it sounds. It's a realistic type of story with fantasy elements(ghouls and such) |
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pretentiousgabby said: I doubt it'll happen but I wouldn't be suprised seeing a slimmer saiko in the coming chapters. That would be cool and logical, but I also don't yet see it - changing design so much is somewhat rare for a manga, I think. On the other hand, there's not much choice, if she is going to fight more. Either she abandons CCG or changes a lot. The one thing I am sure of - she won't die soon. She is a largely unexplored character, and she is geeky and bookish enough to become prominent. Ishida seems to like giving power to the bookish characters in his fighting world - Kaneki and Eto are like this. Saiko is not a reader, she is geeky, but she is very close to the type. |
pretentiousgabby said: Kvothe51 said: cmon you know what he means There is no such thing. I hope you realize how contradictory that statement is, and how stupid it sounds. It's a realistic type of story with fantasy elements(ghouls and such) The fact that every ''fantasy element'' can be scientifically explained in the story deviates it from the Fantasy genre. |
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Yeah I get what you're saying. And she has the strongest kagune to go along with her geek and book qualities. Kvothe51 said: guess you learn something new everyday. I thought fantasy no matter how well explained in a story was still fantasypretentiousgabby said: cmon you know what he means It's a realistic type of story with fantasy elements(ghouls and such) The fact that every ''fantasy element'' can be scientifically explained in the story deviates it from the Fantasy genre. |
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Reeza said: Question, why wasn't touka wearing a mask? becuz she wanted to look cool |
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Reeza said: Question, why wasn't touka wearing a mask? It could be a clue that they WANT to get involved in the storyline and they don't care anymore about being discovered. |
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SleighBells said: Reeza said: Question, why wasn't touka wearing a mask? It could be a clue that they WANT to get involved in the storyline and they don't care anymore about being discovered. That doesn't make any sense. She can get involved while wearing a mask, no need to give away her identity. Unless she, for some reason, wants to be chased down by the CCG. And if they both wanted that, Yomo wouldn't be wearing a mask at all. |
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