| Hi, I'm making this thread so y'all can stop derailing my other thread. Discuss your shit here. Thanks! List pros and cons of both sides and no aggressiveness or I'll report cha. |
| scanlation: the quality (or QUALITY) can vary significantly. some scanlators might opt to use honorifics "weeb speech", while others will simply drop the honorifics when translating. i believe the official translations do not use honorifics. could be wrong tho. |
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| I actually like keeping honorifics. I think it's kind of important to the character relationship. Like someone using -san because they aren't close enough with the other character and respect them. I hate it so much when they change it in Anime. Like in Dance with Devils, whenever MC says "Onii-san!", the subs change it to his actual name and it really confuses me each time. Oh, also I have a huge pet peeve with scanlations (and some legit translations). It's when they use Japanese romanji like... "Arigatou!" or "Itadakimasu~" I die a little on the inside each time they keep the weebiest words. |
DateYutaka said: Itadakimasu has no real translation I know, but "Thanks for the food!" sounds infinitely better than it. |
DateYutaka said: Like I said, I know, but it makes sense in context and doesn't make a big difference to the content overall.mayukachan said: I know, but "Thanks for the food!" sounds infinitely better than it. that is not what it means at all That's the only time when localization is OK. |
Mazaev said: Jesus the cringe continues. Thanks for the food! No! Thank you :-) |
| this thread is really another sub vs dub, except that it's in manga rather than anime. pick your poison. as for me, i 'd rather savour my mango raw. |
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DreamingBeats said: this thread is really another sub vs dub, except that it's in manga rather than anime. pick your poison. as for me, i 'd rather savour my mango raw. actually it's more of a "purchase ur anime or die, pleb" thread i hate these threads but they need to be made lol |
| I'm surprised there aren't more troll scans, and the weeb scans aren't that common too. |
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| The people who translate all the big shounens each week are way better than the professionals. |
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ReaperCreeper said: It's probably because making them is so time consuming lol Like it takes more than an hour just to typeset one chapter of something and clean itI'm surprised there aren't more troll scans, and the weeb scans aren't that common too. ichii_1 said: The people who translate all the big shounens each week are way better than the professionals. Tru |
| The weebier the better. |
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DateYutaka said: Itadakimasu has no real translation Right. Itadaku has a very neat/variable meaning and can be translated with a very actual and real translation, depending on the context. True that a lot of the nuances and 'hidden ideas' are lost in the translation, which actually comes from the difference in the mind-set, which on its own side comes from the language and cultural differences. If you always translate everything as you literally read it, it's just like trying to get someone to 'understand' a proverb which is foreign to the person and no where obvious to them. Dig a bit in kanji etymology as well; Japanese is a very logical and interesting language. Don't say 'no real translation' so easily. I like either; be it professional or scanlation. Though I won't deny that small translator notes crack me up now and then. |
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| That doesn't matter as long as it doesn't break the flow of the translation/dialogues. It's a bad translation if people get confused. |
| You don't even need to read the scanlations, I don't see a point in arguing this. The English translations are for people who can't read the other language or speak it. |
DateYutaka said: im japanese btw iv seen it traslted as lets eat [ wrong ] like ganbare [ as in idea is in grangd in japanese culutre Then that makes it easier to understand what I tried to say. Glad to hear it. (: Yeah, I've seen bad translations of it as well. But you can't blame, I've heard some of the translators have used 'Google translate'. Which reminds me of a heated argument I had with a person who claimed I can't correct Google translate. --- Well. No comment. |
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DateYutaka said: mayukachan said: You don't even need to read the scanlations, I don't see a point in arguing this. The English translations are for people who can't read the other language or speak it. i want people to get sn accrure true translation of what i got so i can talk to them one to one about an anime/manga manga in this case That's when I disagree. A manga is a story. It needs flow in the dialogue. Accuracy is irrelevant as long as the original storyline/plot is kept and some things are tweaked so the viewer can get a more satisfying experience. |
DateYutaka said: there isn't a 1:1 translation a lot of the time as well as having diff sentence structures lolmandarin or Cantonese it was a pain to do mitsuami no kamisama because so much of the chinese translations didn't make sense in english. i had to completely revise some parts |
DateYutaka said: taking one itadakimasu angers u so much??? :othem you robbing people odf the culture the story is based n or comes from and i haven't seen that/read that so i can't speak behalf of it. there's definitely some things that are impossible to translate to english without losing complete context |
DateYutaka said: mayukachan said: taking one itadakimasu angers u so much??? :o and i haven't seen that/read that so i can't speak behalf of it. there's definitely some things that are impossible to translate to english without losing complete context im talking not only that sort of stuff look T MY sangou exmaple above give me a before and after comparison? screenshots/mangacaps! |
| Fuck off, Date. You won't be happy unless it's just completely romanised Japanese, and even then you'd complain. |
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Nura7 said: Dig a bit in kanji etymology as well; Japanese is a very logical and interesting language. All languages are first and foremost spoken languages, Japanese being no exception. People don't speak kanji, and usage (meaning, pronounciation, syntax, everything) can evolve in the spoken realm with little regard for how to write it. Only a certain portion words have a transparent etymology and people will ignore it in fashioning new meanings; take kyoku, 曲 which is used the same way as the English terms "composition" and "single" (in different contexts) despite the discrepancies with the original meaning of the word. After all, other languages have etymology too even if their speakers are less aware of it. What I'd say in advice instead of 'look at the etymology' would be: look at the meanings and connotations of the word or phrase in actual usage. For 'itadakimasu', yes, that's strictly true, but "Let's eat" or "Thanks for the food" captures most of what people usually mean to say by it. DateYutaka said: as a prosctisv lingust i dis agree to me there is one way to translate things abd only one way eascpply with a coxtext based language like japanese p[ same goes mandarin or Cantonese All that prescriptivist means is 'preferring language to stick to strict rules', when language in the real world does no such thing and is always changing. As for Chinese languages: Bull. Shit. By the way, I'm quite surprised nobody's posted the old yarns about how mangaka and kittens are slaughtered every time a scanlation is made… |
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MihoWittmann said: That shit already went down in my other thread.Nura7 said: Dig a bit in kanji etymology as well; Japanese is a very logical and interesting language. All languages are first and foremost spoken languages, Japanese being no exception. People don't speak kanji, and usage (meaning, pronounciation, syntax, everything) can evolve in the spoken realm with little regard for how to write it. Only a certain portion words have a transparent etymology and people will ignore it in fashioning new meanings; take kyoku, 曲 which is used the same way as the English terms "composition" and "single" (in different contexts) despite the discrepancies with the original meaning of the word. After all, other languages have etymology too even if their speakers are less aware of it. What I'd say in advice instead of 'look at the etymology' would be: look at the meanings and connotations of the word or phrase in actual usage. For 'itadakimasu', yes, that's strictly true, but "Let's eat" or "Thanks for the food" captures most of what people usually mean to say by it. DateYutaka said: as a prosctisv lingust i dis agree to me there is one way to translate things abd only one way eascpply with a coxtext based language like japanese p[ same goes mandarin or Cantonese All that prescriptivist means is 'preferring language to stick to strict rules', when language in the real world does no such thing and is always changing. As for Chinese languages: Bull. Shit. By the way, I'm quite surprised nobody's posted the old yarns about how mangaka and kittens are slaughtered every time a scanlation is made… http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1449504#msg43093118 |
MihoWittmann said: Nura7 said: Dig a bit in kanji etymology as well; Japanese is a very logical and interesting language. All languages are first and foremost spoken languages, Japanese being no exception. People don't speak kanji, and usage (meaning, pronounciation, syntax, everything) can evolve in the spoken realm with little regard for how to write it. Only a certain portion words have a transparent etymology and people will ignore it in fashioning new meanings; take kyoku, 曲 which is used the same way as the English terms "composition" and "single" (in different contexts) despite the discrepancies with the original meaning of the word. After all, other languages have etymology too even if their speakers are less aware of it. What I'd say in advice instead of 'look at the etymology' would be: look at the meanings and connotations of the word or phrase in actual usage. For 'itadakimasu', yes, that's strictly true, but "Let's eat" or "Thanks for the food" captures most of what people usually mean to say by it. Who said people 'speak' kanji? Moreover, the sentence itself makes no sense. And no, I will disagree. I actually talked with a Japanese friend who expressed his thoughts on the difference between English and Japanese; I shall quote: "If English is all about speaking, then Japanese would be all about writing." The beauty of Japanese is exactly there, in kanji, its idea [the etymology and its roots]. I don't ask of anyone to go learn etymology or translate it as something from the far old East, because we will go back in Ancient China not in Ancient Japan. The old Japanese is long dead, if you ever heard of Yamato language. Only a few actually speak it anymore and it is not even the original Japanese [Yamato kotoba]. 'Itadakimasu' can mean 'thanks for the food/treat'/'Let's eat' only when strictly speaking of food and the reader has a clear idea it's about food. Why? How would you translate 'Itadakimasu' in porn, then? Or in sentences like: この本を頂いてもいいですか? ドアを閉めていただけませんか? If you want me to go all out, I can make you the etymology of itadaku. Because of more suited translation for English readers, yes, when about food it's 'thank you for the food' or 'let's eat'. But in fact, 'itadaku' is thankful way to express that you receive something - be it food, be it favor, be it help, be it even the sexy body of your neighbor. |
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Nura7 said: But in fact, 'itadaku' is thankful way to express that you receive something - be it food, be it favor, be it help, be it even the sexy body of your neighbor. replace "thankful" with "humble", and you're on point. |
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DreamingBeats said: Nura7 said: But in fact, 'itadaku' is thankful way to express that you receive something - be it food, be it favor, be it help, be it even the sexy body of your neighbor. replace "thankful" with "humble", and you're on point. Yeah, my bad. The word escaped me when I was typing it. (: |
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mayukachan said: DateYutaka said: i want people to get sn accrure true translation of what i got so i can talk to them one to one about an anime/manga manga in this case That's when I disagree. A manga is a story. It needs flow in the dialogue. Accuracy is irrelevant as long as the original storyline/plot is kept and some things are tweaked so the viewer can get a more satisfying experience. That's why "What the hell" should be changed to "what in the Sam hell"? always. |
Drunk_Samurai said: mayukachan said: That's when I disagree. A manga is a story. It needs flow in the dialogue. Accuracy is irrelevant as long as the original storyline/plot is kept and some things are tweaked so the viewer can get a more satisfying experience. That's why "What the hell" should be changed to "what in the Sam hell"? always. ????? I don't get the joke? "What the hell?" is commonly said in English. |
mayukachan said: Drunk_Samurai said: That's why "What the hell" should be changed to "what in the Sam hell"? always. ????? I don't get the joke? "What the hell?" is commonly said in English. "What in the Sam hell?" is what Viz changed "What the hell?" into. |
| lol, yeah lots of professional companies make dumb mistakes |
mayukachan said: lol, yeah lots of professional companies make dumb mistakes That was my point. It was shit due to that so accuracy is better. |
| How do u tell the difference? I don't speak or read Japanese so I don't know if the English translations are accurate. I can't tell if the people translating are just fans or working for an industry. Sometimes when I watch English subtitled Detective Conan I can't help thinking the the subtitles don't match what is being said. Sometimes I say f it I'm not going to let the subtitles ruin my enjoyment of Detective Conan. I can figure out was going out was going out without knowing what the characters are saying in Japanese. I know a little Japanese to get the jest of what they are saying. Plus there is the the pop up at the top that explains some of the words they are saying |
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