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TheUnknownMerc said: So fear and shock cant do that?Othi-tan said: Are you reading what you are saying? That's right people, having your shoulder separated from your body doenst hurt because the narration doesnt state it hurts.It's only logical you wouldnt scream. I am beginning to think VN readers have more issues than casuals. *sigh* actually it is factual your mind can only handle so much "conscious" pain and in times of great pain will either numb it out (as in cut off contact to the nerves to escape the pain) or pass out. For the later if you squeeze a mans balls and twist hard enough he will literally pass out. He won't feel the pain, he will just instantly lose consciousness because the brain turns off. In ADDITION to this, it is common sense to note that in "combat" or in activities the body releases adrenalin which can cause the person to be able to ignore pain. This is common in football, hockey, pretty much any sport when a athlete gets an injury and can continue playing the game but must miss weeks if not months for treatment. At the time they can ignore the pain. In addition soldiers are known to be able to take bullets and keep going without noticing. This is the cause of many WW2 casualties when a bullet ruptured a leg artery causing many to die without them noticing they even took a bullet. So in conclusion, Shirou WAS in combat, in a high intesity battle. Plus the blow was so quick it is not unlikely his brain disconnected the pain receptors. You can say illya did the same thin...but honestly i feel he was in more of a life and death situation at the time than illya was. BUT assuming illya did have the similar shit, would she have said "it hurts"? no she would have commented on how strange it is to not feel pain. WrongPriest said: I think that's enough pages, can we stop now? All in all it's just people ranting about their wishes...and those defending UFOtable and those against. at the end of the day it doesn't really matter and nothing will change. But venting frustration is still okay. unless someone has an actual discussion about the VN/anime they would like to discuss... And Ilya wasnt screaming the whole time in theVN.Only during the slash.How is it difficult to believe that she didnt feel the initial pain from the strike due to whatever reason and then her sense started coming back? |
| No... I've seen bizarre things on this sub-forum... But THIS? People are actually viewing Unlimited DEEN works in a positive light, just to sh*t on ufo again? SERIOUSLY? Sorry, but by this point I cannot even take "team salt" seriously anymore, just no. |
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TheUnknownMerc said: MightyM16 said: Then why do you feel bad at Ufotable scene? Didn't you said you didn't felt the scene because Ilya "showed no pain" ? What is your true complaint ? I bet you just didn't liked the placement of the Dr Gil scene, it was not "gore-y" and edgy enough for you and things like that Oh well Ufo can't please everyone I didn't say i felt bad on ufotable scene i said i felt bad during the VN and less so on Deens but more than ufotable...at least i'm pretty sure that's what i said. It didn't need to be gorey, i would have liked the heart scene itself to be a bit more dramatic yes, but overall the scene didn't give me any sympathy, which the VN did and Deens to some extent did. Deen's scene was just * bam* heart tip, ufotable had Ilya crying, reaching up to Berserker and being overtly emotional It boggles me how can you considerate that thing above the ufotable one that's why I said you only really cared for the heart rip scene TheUnknownMerc said: MightyM16 said: Then why you asked if she felt hurt? :/ She couldn't breath right of course she would talk with strained words :/ The VN shows multiple times that screaming bloody murder doesn't happen everytime someone is in pain But...as I said, I can't change your own nitpicks about the series. The fact that most people felt the emotional power of that scene shows that the majority at least liked it and understood it can't be disrergaded it. You are nitpicking here I don't know what for, and Fai does it because he absolutely hates Miura and this adaptation I'm just ranting about specific scenes that i loved in the VN, hence why i'm not raging AS MUCH over the throat grab scene, it wasn't important enough for me. As for what i was talking about...it's more like i couldn't HEAR in her voice the strain of the pain she said she was feeling. It just felt like she was tired...not in pain... I can be fine with a "calm" demeanor if it feels like they are trying to hold back the pain, but this just felt like there was no pain other than her stating there was. I don't quite know how else to describe it. Her calm demanor came after she felt Berserker, before it she was pretty distraught. And I guess we disagree on teh voice thing too the pain in the VA's voice was palpable for me and the majority of other viewers . In the end I guess you were just disappointed with the Dr Gil scene and is trying to make it so the whole scene was quite bad, which it wasn't |
nocorras said: ufotable is infallible, I'm just enjoying the ride. Sure ufotable has flaws, but have you seen even ONE from the regulars here say anything even remotely positive about unlimited DEEN works in the past? Now suddenly positive arguments toward that abomination "just happened to appear by a sudden strike of insight" of course all "coincidently" when people were trashtalking ufoUBW. No, I wouldn't be surprised if some would even claim that that "has always been their opinion from the beginnning". No, all I can see is people desperately looking for arguments to make ufoUBW look bad. Sure that is no reason to dismiss actual arguments about ufoUBW having flaws, I am not arguing about that. But people having a 180° turn in opinion about unlimited DEEN works just to find flaws for ufoUBW really have a questionable credibility. Other people may think otherwise, but I will definitly not buy that their opinion just "happened to change by chance" in half a year. |
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Grey-Zone said: nocorras said: ufotable is infallible, I'm just enjoying the ride. Sure ufotable has flaws, but have you seen even ONE from the regulars here say anything even remotely positive about unlimited DEEN works? Now suddenly positive arguments toward that abomination "just happened to appear by a sudden strike of insight" of course all "coincidently" when people were trashtalking ufoUBW. No, all I can see is people desperately looking for arguments to make ufoUBW look bad. Sure that is no reason to dismiss actual arguments about ufoUBW having flaws, I am not arguing about that. But people having a 180° turn in opinion about unlimited DEEN works just to find flaws for ufoUBW really have a questionable credibility. Other people may think otherwise, but I will definitly not buy that their opinion just "happened to change by chance" in half a year. I'm not going to d/l the movie to watch it but it's not out of the realm of possibility for certain scenes to be done as well or better. And honestly I think your distortion misled a lot of people and it better be fixed(and make it a big deal) in that scene |
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Grey-Zone said: People are actually viewing Unlimited DEEN works in a positive light, just to sh*t on ufo again? SERIOUSLY? Sorry, but by this point I cannot even take "team salt" seriously anymore, just no. Just stop, there's literally like three or so people who say that, which wasn't the point of the comparison anyway. |
Insertanamehere said: Grey-Zone said: People are actually viewing Unlimited DEEN works in a positive light, just to sh*t on ufo again? SERIOUSLY? Sorry, but by this point I cannot even take "team salt" seriously anymore, just no. Just stop, there's literally like three or so people who say that, which wasn't the point of the comparison anyway. If you say so... I for one eagerly await the Yuetsu when Fai finally becomes so desperate that he'll even call Tsukihime anime (assuming that such a thing would exist) to be better than ufoUBW or ufoHF. |
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Insertanamehere said: That joke is old. Anyway, this should go to VN comparison thread. I don't see what the VN has to do with a comparison between unlimited DEEN works and ufoUBW. Unless of course it IS about ufoUBW not having the heart-rip CG after all... (<- just ignore this, I have no intention of making this straw man argument, just saying it for the lulz) |
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astroprogsApr 28, 2015 9:55 AM
| First off, VN to Anime should be over, Secondly I'm pretty sure i was the only one complimenting DEEN on anything, this was isolated in this case. Third yes i did indeed enjoy DEEN at the time and still do. Do i watch the entire thing? nah i skip to the fight scenes and the scenes i liked. Was it a good adaptation? No, but it served it's purpose at the time. Next as for the illya seen, literally just like i can't fathom how people felt anything during that scene, obviously people can't comprehend why i felt nothing. I just watched it for the third time today and again, she didn't sound hurt, didn't sound stressed, just winded, she didn't sound in pain, most of the time she was SLIGHTLY distressed over not knowing where berserker is, when she got stabbed, calm. I'm not saying i wanted her screaming but other than her saying "i'm hurt," i felt not feeling of holding back her pain or struggling with the pain in her voice. And there was no yell, it was literally a "EP" that's all it was the entire time, nothing during the stab, no "ow" or "EP" or anything, just slides in. For the slash, only an "EP" for something that is NOT fatal or a shot to the body it should have been very painful. I didn't feel that, i felt from that scene i could a lot more of those slashes and still go running. This is a personal opinion obviously so most likely i won't convince anyone that the scene COULD have been better. Just like i can't convince people Clannad wasn't sad or full of feels or that Evangelion wasn't actually that great. But neither will anyone really convince me that the scene was not flawed. astroprogs said: You people can't recognize how much ufo sucks under all of the SFX. 1) nice catch, i lel'ed 2) Main issue with the scene was the PTSD part, he shouldn't have been like that from the start...should have done that when tohsaka kept confronting him. If he was like that from Illya...then that just goes to show how much the director underestimates what shirou has been through. IMHO |
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| I think you're confusing personal taste with objective flaws. Dramatic death scenes don't always have to contain a rigorous amount of painful screaming. |
| Don't worry, you're not the only one who didn't feel anything. I also didn't feel anything while watching it and have even burst into laughter on "MMMMMMPH! MMMMMMPH!" Well, it was good on its own and did what it had to, but felt reaaaaaaaaaaaaally lackluster. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
Aurioch said: Don't worry, you're not the only one who didn't feel anything. I also didn't feel anything while watching it and have even burst into laughter on "MMMMMMPH! MMMMMMPH!" Well, it was good on its own and did what it had to, but felt reaaaaaaaaaaaaally lackluster. Same, didn't feel anything and it wasn't because of how tame the heart part was. |
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| Reading Illya death scene first time in VN - WOW! 'dem feels! Re-reading Illya death scene in VN - MUCH nostalgia! VN reader watching the anime - I know that already! Meh. The reactions are obvious. Nostalgia is the greatest enemy of objectivity. Not saying it applies to everyone, but it's still something to consider. |
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TheUnknownMerc said: 2) Main issue with the scene was the PTSD part, he shouldn't have been like that from the start...should have done that when tohsaka kept confronting him. If he was like that from Illya...then that just goes to show how much the director underestimates what shirou has been through. IMHO Shirou in the anime displayed that expression in two situations: 1)Inside the blood fort in ep 8. 2)After failing to save Illya in episode 16. See the thing in common? It's the situations with death triggering his PTSD. People with PTSD always have certain triggers, and they don't always behave like this without them. The scene and the expression make sense, if look at it from this angle. |
astroprogs said: TheUnknownMerc said: 2) Main issue with the scene was the PTSD part, he shouldn't have been like that from the start...should have done that when tohsaka kept confronting him. If he was like that from Illya...then that just goes to show how much the director underestimates what shirou has been through. IMHO Shirou in the anime displayed that expression in two situations: 1)Inside the blood fort in ep 8. 2)After failing to save Illya in episode 16. See the thing in common? It's the situations with death triggering his PTSD. People with PTSD always have certain triggers, and they don't always behave like this without them. The scene and the expression make sense, if look at it from this angle. Oh? I was under the assumption he didn't make a face in the blood fort...i actually remember him being pretty calm there :/ i guess i remember wrong? As i said it wasn't because of lack of HEART GORE or SCREAMING...it just...the voice acting itself (not fault of the voice actor but the directing of it), literally if you take the voice acting from the VN, put it in there, the scene would have been far better... oh and better physics on the body when the heart came out....the blood can be the same but the body barely moved...(actually i don't even remember it moving :/) |
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jmcm30 said: TheUnknownMerc said: Oh? I was under the assumption he didn't make a face in the blood fort...i actually remember him being pretty calm there :/ i guess i remember wrong? As i said it wasn't because of lack of HEART GORE or SCREAMING...it just...the voice acting itself (not fault of the voice actor but the directing of it), literally if you take the voice acting from the VN, put it in there, the scene would have been far better... oh and better physics on the body when the heart came out....the blood can be the same but the body barely moved...(actually i don't even remember it moving :/) Not just in the Bloodfort btw, also when Ayako said he never smiled, and he remembered the fire. That's been established as his "PTSD triggered" face since episode 4. Well maybe if i rewatch season one it will impact me better...I didn't remember him making that face before lol. |
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Grey-Zone said: Reading Illya death scene first time in VN - WOW! 'dem feels! Re-reading Illya death scene in VN - MUCH nostalgia! VN reader watching the anime - I know that already! Meh. The reactions are obvious. Nostalgia is the greatest enemy of objectivity. Not saying it applies to everyone, but it's still something to consider. Yeah, right, whatever. I don't want to argue here about it. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
TheUnknownMerc said: Oh? I was under the assumption he didn't make a face in the blood fort...i actually remember him being pretty calm there :/ i guess i remember wrong? Yup, there they are: In Episode 4: In Episode 8: TheUnknownMerc said: As i said it wasn't because of lack of HEART GORE or SCREAMING...it just...the voice acting itself (not fault of the voice actor but the directing of it), literally if you take the voice acting from the VN, put it in there, the scene would have been far better... I don't know about that, i personally really felt that scene. TheUnknownMerc said: oh and better physics on the body when the heart came out....the blood can be the same but the body barely moved...(actually i don't even remember it moving :/) I agree, that bit felt really underwhelming. I can let it slide by excusing it for the censoring of excessive violence for a TV series in that time slot, but i hope they redo that bit for the BDs like they did with some of Zero's scenes. |
astroprogsApr 28, 2015 10:28 AM
astroprogs said: TheUnknownMerc said: Oh? I was under the assumption he didn't make a face in the blood fort...i actually remember him being pretty calm there :/ i guess i remember wrong? Yup, there it is: TheUnknownMerc said: As i said it wasn't because of lack of HEART GORE or SCREAMING...it just...the voice acting itself (not fault of the voice actor but the directing of it), literally if you take the voice acting from the VN, put it in there, the scene would have been far better... I don't know about that, i personally really felt that scene. TheUnknownMerc said: oh and better physics on the body when the heart came out....the blood can be the same but the body barely moved...(actually i don't even remember it moving :/) I agree, that bit felt really underwhelming. I can let it slide by excusing it for the censoring of excessive violence for a TV series in that time slot, but i hope they redo that bit for the BDs like they did with some of Zero's scenes. Well shit, honestly though i felt THAT scene was far more toned down compared to the O___O we got this episode...maybe the lighting??? Because THAT face made sense completely but this one felt toooo much...like WAY too much. Hopefully they redo it, but considering what "changes" were made to season 1 in terms of extra content...i'm not holding my breathe. |
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TheUnknownMerc said: Well shit, honestly though i felt THAT scene was far more toned down compared to the O___O we got this episode...maybe the lighting??? Because THAT face made sense completely but this one felt toooo much...like WAY too much. They were subtle about it. Like WAY too subtle that many people didn't even catch it the first time. Now they're shedding more light on it, so it looks like it's too much. The "show don't tell" approach was a good one IMO, but they didn't do the best job of actually showing it in a proper way. Bet you didn't even realize that Shirou actually successfully blocked Lancer's kick in episode 1, right? It's physically impossible to see without slowing down the scene to 0.25x. I didn't even knew before Aurioch used an editing software to show it to us. TheUnknownMerc said: Hopefully they redo it, but considering what "changes" were made to season 1 in terms of extra content...i'm not holding my breathe. Hate to say it, but this is probably the right amount of expectations to have :/ |
astroprogsApr 28, 2015 10:44 AM
Grey-Zone said: Reading Illya death scene first time in VN - WOW! 'dem feels! Re-reading Illya death scene in VN - MUCH nostalgia! VN reader watching the anime - I know that already! Meh. The reactions are obvious. Nostalgia is the greatest enemy of objectivity. Not saying it applies to everyone, but it's still something to consider. I can re-read certain scenes, including the Illya one in the VN and get a flood of emotions, anime didn't do it. Not saying it's necessarily a bad scene because of that, it just didn't do anything for me. |
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astroprogs said: TheUnknownMerc said: Well shit, honestly though i felt THAT scene was far more toned down compared to the O___O we got this episode...maybe the lighting??? Because THAT face made sense completely but this one felt toooo much...like WAY too much. They were subtle about it. Like WAY too subtle that many people didn't even catch it the first time. Now they're shedding more light on it, so it looks like it's too much. The "show don't tell" approach was a good one IMO, but they didn't do the best job of actually showing it in a proper way. Bet you didn't even realize that Shirou striked Lancer before he kicked him in episode 1, right? It's physically impossible to see without slowing down the scene to 0.25x. I didn't even knew before Aurioch used an editing software to show it to us. TheUnknownMerc said: Hopefully they redo it, but considering what "changes" were made to season 1 in terms of extra content...i'm not holding my breathe. Hate to say it, but this is probably the right amount of expectations to have :/ Well the Subtle way i noticed and liked...i enjoyed it very much that part, this one just looked like he saw his grandmother in bed with his grandfather...if he had them. As for shirou striking lancer i can't remember. Do you mean outside? I thought he just blocked it very quickly, i didn't see him also striking him at that scene...i also slowed it down to 0.25x and i'm pretty sure he just blocked during the kick in the backyard. nocorras said: I can re-read certain scenes, including the Illya one in the VN and get a flood of emotions, anime didn't do it. Not saying it's necessarily a bad scene because of that, it just didn't do anything for me. Exactly, this scene was one of my favourites...and the Anime did nothing for me despite feeling something every time i read it. |
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TheUnknownMerc said: Well the Subtle way i noticed and liked...i enjoyed it very much that part, this one just looked like he saw his grandmother in bed with his grandfather...if he had them. LOL. Well, for someone with PTSD like Shirou, that expression was actually pretty tame. TheUnknownMerc said: As for shirou striking lancer i can't remember. Do you mean outside? I thought he just blocked it very quickly, i didn't see him also striking him at that scene...i also slowed it down to 0.25x and i'm pretty sure he just blocked during the kick in the backyard. Sorry, yeah, he blocked EXTREMELY fast. At normal speed i only see him being kicked really hard from a completely still position. |
astroprogs said: TheUnknownMerc said: Well the Subtle way i noticed and liked...i enjoyed it very much that part, this one just looked like he saw his grandmother in bed with his grandfather...if he had them. LOL. Well, for someone with PTSD like Shirou, that expression was actually pretty tame. TheUnknownMerc said: As for shirou striking lancer i can't remember. Do you mean outside? I thought he just blocked it very quickly, i didn't see him also striking him at that scene...i also slowed it down to 0.25x and i'm pretty sure he just blocked during the kick in the backyard. Sorry, yeah, he blocked EXTREMELY fast. At normal speed i only see him being kicked from still position. OH okay...thank god, yeah i saw the block and i literally got out of my seat and went "YEAH!!!!" and first pumped the air...my gf was like "why?" and i'm like BECAUSE HE BLOCKED THAT SHIT INSTEAD OF BEING KICKED! As for the PTSD i agree but i find shirou to be composed in most parts, i don't find him the sorts to shiver or be stunned but instead have the face of being shocked (which that was imo, maybe people found it too subtle?), but the new face they had was just...more like he just witnessed the most traumatizing thing ever which i don't really think it should have portrayed. "bad" scene no doubt but not in that level of facial feature. |
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nocorras said: Grey-Zone said: Reading Illya death scene first time in VN - WOW! 'dem feels! Re-reading Illya death scene in VN - MUCH nostalgia! VN reader watching the anime - I know that already! Meh. The reactions are obvious. Nostalgia is the greatest enemy of objectivity. Not saying it applies to everyone, but it's still something to consider. I can re-read certain scenes, including the Illya one in the VN and get a flood of emotions, anime didn't do it. Not saying it's necessarily a bad scene because of that, it just didn't do anything for me. What I ment is that the anime is not able to trigger the nostalgia factor, so the reaction to the anime would probably be "huh, I know that already", while VN re-read one could easily get the "ahh back then everything was so much better" nostalgia feeling. |
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Grey-Zone said: nocorras said: I can re-read certain scenes, including the Illya one in the VN and get a flood of emotions, anime didn't do it. Not saying it's necessarily a bad scene because of that, it just didn't do anything for me. What I ment is that the anime is not able to trigger the nostalgia factor, so the reaction to the anime would probably be "huh, I know that already", while VN re-read one could easily get the "ahh back then everything was so much better" nostalgia feeling. like i said...pretty sure it was just how the VA was done (again nothing at fault on the VA but instead on the director of it). |
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Grey-Zone said: nocorras said: I can re-read certain scenes, including the Illya one in the VN and get a flood of emotions, anime didn't do it. Not saying it's necessarily a bad scene because of that, it just didn't do anything for me. What I ment is that the anime is not able to trigger the nostalgia factor, so the reaction to the anime would probably be "huh, I know that already", while VN re-read one could easily get the "ahh back then everything was so much better" nostalgia feeling. Ehhh, I think the anime can recapture that, it did for a lot of people. It just didn't do anything for me this time. I expect certain upcoming scenes in the anime to bring a lot of emotion. |
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TheUnknownMerc said: As for the PTSD i agree but i find shirou to be composed in most parts, i don't find him the sorts to shiver or be stunned but instead have the face of being shocked (which that was imo, maybe people found it too subtle?), but the new face they had was just...more like he just witnessed the most traumatizing thing ever which i don't really think it should have portrayed. "bad" scene no doubt but not in that level of facial feature. It makes sense, though. Shirou led a normal life with nothing to trigger his PTSD since Kiritsugu saved him. Now he's in the PTSD triggering festival known as the HGW. In episode 4, it was a reminder of the fire, so you get a weak trigger. In episode 8, people could actually die, so you get a a mildly stronger trigger. In episode 16, people actually died without him being able to do anything, so you get the full extent of the real thing; a tear for a total stranger and the face of the completely nutty sociopath he actually is. "more like he just witnessed the most traumatizing thing ever" To him failing to save someone IS his complete and utter nightmare, you're expecting the facial expression of a normal person. |
astroprogs said: TheUnknownMerc said: As for the PTSD i agree but i find shirou to be composed in most parts, i don't find him the sorts to shiver or be stunned but instead have the face of being shocked (which that was imo, maybe people found it too subtle?), but the new face they had was just...more like he just witnessed the most traumatizing thing ever which i don't really think it should have portrayed. "bad" scene no doubt but not in that level of facial feature. It makes sense, though. Shirou led a normal life with nothing to trigger his PTSD since Kiritsugu saved him. Now he's in the PTSD triggering festival known as the HGW. In episode 4, it was a reminder of the fire, so you get a weak trigger. In episode 8, people could actually die, so you get a a mildly stronger trigger. In episode 16, people actually died without him being able to do anything, so you get the full extent of the real thing; a tear for a total stranger and the face of the completely nutty sociopath he actually is. "more like he just witnessed the most traumatizing thing ever" To him failing to save someone IS his complete and utter nightmare, you're expecting the facial expression of a normal person. True i expected a look of disdain but i would have been completely fine with the mild trigger. I guess my lack of enthusiasm over this scene was because i thought the scene itself would trigger his PTSD from tohsaka instead of him just being ON seen like that (i personally feel it would have been better that was.) Faroos007 said: A fairly good episode, Blondie destroying Ilya's body like it was nothing goddamn u let her rest in piece not pieces. Shirou being aggressive today was awesome finally some 'development' DAT Rin face tho so freakin Kawaii. Finally Lancer showed up again this time offering some balance in the fight can't wait for next ep, the fight of manliness and what's with the necklace thing did I miss something? 8.3/10 hopefully some big progression will happen next week Yes...yes you did miss a lot. But it's okay you will get it later. |
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Faroos007 said: and what's with the necklace thing did I miss something? The biggest clue about that will be in the next episode most likely. |
| What I DO consider a flaw this episode was how the camera showed Shirou, while Lancer talked to Rin. I read some people thinking that Lancer was talking to Shirou when describing "what a female master he would like to have" and I have to say it's really hard to notice the truth unless you either know how it was in the VN, or carefully observe where Lancer looks at while the camera shows him. I can understand how it was probably ment to (retroactively) show that Shirou's emotions often don't show on his face and I like that aspect, but it really could have been handled a bit better there. |
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TheUnknownMerc said: True i expected a look of disdain but i would have been completely fine with the mild trigger. I guess my lack of enthusiasm over this scene was because i thought the scene itself would trigger his PTSD from tohsaka instead of him just being ON seen like that (i personally feel it would have been better that was.) Well, it was the moment of realization after everything has settled down. He's now standing in front of the grave of the girl he couldn't save, which might as well be the grave of his own self worth. His existence justification. That's an incredibly horrific thought if you think about it. No matter how i look at it, his facial expression is completely justified keeping Shirou's mental state at this moment in mind. |
astroprogs said: TheUnknownMerc said: Well shit, honestly though i felt THAT scene was far more toned down compared to the O___O we got this episode...maybe the lighting??? Because THAT face made sense completely but this one felt toooo much...like WAY too much. They were subtle about it. Like WAY too subtle that many people didn't even catch it the first time. Now they're shedding more light on it, so it looks like it's too much. The "show don't tell" approach was a good one IMO, but they didn't do the best job of actually showing it in a proper way. How is it good one? Half the viewers think Shirou just has survivor's guilt this episode. "OH his face looks fucked" is something only VN readers will know the meaning of. Show don't tell should have been balanced out with nice portion of of actual TELL. |
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CookingPriest said: How is it good one? Half the viewers think Shirou just has survivor's guilt this episode. "OH his face looks fucked" is something only VN readers will know the meaning of. Show don't tell should have been balanced out with nice portion of of actual TELL. I meant that as an overall decision, not only in this scene. And i agree that the "tell" part should've been there more, but the decision to utilize "Show don't tell" wasn't wrong, it was the execution. "Show don't tell" doesn't necessarily mean "Only show Never tell." |
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astroprogs said: It makes sense, though. Shirou led a normal life with nothing to trigger his PTSD since Kiritsugu saved him. LOLWUT |
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CookingPriest said: astroprogs said: It makes sense, though. Shirou led a normal life with nothing to trigger his PTSD since Kiritsugu saved him. LOLWUT Let me rephrase that. Shirou didn't have an opportunity to act suicidal since Kiritsugu saved him. He was famous as that kind but weird guy who really goes the distance to help others, not that suicidal guy with the sociopathic behavior. |
astroprogs said: CookingPriest said: LOLWUT Let me rephrase that. Shirou didn't have an opportunity to act suicidal since Kiritsugu saved him. He was famous as that kind but weird guy who really goes the distance to help others, not that suicidal guy with the sociopathic behavior. He has been acting suicidal every night in the shed, tbh. |
Stev said: ayy lmao |
astroprogs said: CookingPriest said: LOLWUT Let me rephrase that. Shirou didn't have an opportunity to act suicidal since Kiritsugu saved him. He was famous as that kind but weird guy who really goes the distance to help others, not that suicidal guy with the sociopathic behavior. Homurahara BROWWWWNNNIEEEEEEEE |
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Aurioch said: chaosflame5 said: I see, guess I did forget something even after done some research lol. By "that one scene", do you mean... I meant And just to mention, in VN Illya really screams from pain when her eyes are slashed, on which Berserker breaks the chains to help her. While in anime Berserker broke when Illya already died... No, in the anime, Ilya spoke after Berserk broke the chains, she wasn't dead yet. |
HungryPriest said: He has been acting suicidal every night in the shed, tbh. True, but that's an everyday thing for him. He doesn't feel bad about it and make the O.O face every time he practices magic. That face is triggered only by his PTSD. |
TheUnknownMerc said: I'm gonna do it everyone, i'm going to actually say the DEEN UBW Movie did some scenes far better than ufotable... The Saber x Kazuki fight, Deen did it better. This fight isn't in the movie. |
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Clefairiess said: I don't quite get the ending, I forgot what is up with red pendant? Just keep watching. |
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Clefairiess said: I don't quite get the ending, I forgot what is up with red pendant? For the love of all that is holy, don't try to look it up online, its a huge spoiler, just keep watching the show and it will make sense. |
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